Tweets for Tue, 20 Dec 2011

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post-consensus jubilation #nycsc #ows

@michaeldbirch Great! Take note that we are having GA indoors as a trial run this week. 56 Walker at 7pm. NOT #Zuccotti.

RT @OWScom: Tonight at 7pm GA will be held at a new location, 56 Walker St. NYC #OWS

Hi everyone! Tonight’s GA is *indoors* at 56 Walker! Follow here and @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4. #nycga #ows

Christina and Nathan will facilitate tonight. “Welcome to the first indoor General Assembly!!” #nycga #ows

Stairs (facilitation): “This is a trial tonight in this space; we’ll be here tonight and on Thursday, then we’ll reassess if makes sense.”

Cont’d: “This means there’s a hard time limit; 10:30. Let’s think super hard about the way we allocate time tonight. There are 5 proposals.”

Cont’d: “Also, there are rules that come w/ this space that are outside of our community agreements- no loitering outside; if you leave…”

Cont’d: “…go down the block; neighbors get mad. No smoking right out front, no shouting inside or outside, no fighting, no intoxication.”

David is explaining that last night, the energy at Spokes here was upsetting to neighbors and thus to the owner of this space. #nycga #ows

“The owner said, re: us being here for January, it’s off for now. Let’s see how it goes tonight, he said. Let’s take responsibility…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…so we’ll have the option to come here in the month of January.” Stairs thanks him, asks we be mindful. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “We’re going to start with a video from Organization; will be 5 minutes. Then there’s an emergency proposal, but we don’t have…”

Cont’d: “..any details, so if they’re here they can state it and then we’ll decide if it’s an emergency proposal.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Then, there are 5 agenda items: from Mobile Screenprinting, Info/Comhub re: working groups, Sanitation re: laundry debt…”

Cont’d: “…then facilitation re: ongoing budget, and then Occupy Christmas.” Order tonight is in order of submission, which is unusual.#nycga

Nathan notes someone is setting up a shot for the BBC. PR notes they’re doing a story on the kitchen. “Not filming GA, but Kitchen serving.”

We’re cool w/ the BBC filming our glorious Kitchen! Now, Nathan is reviewing hand signals. #nycga #ows

“Some of the basic hand signals – uptwinkles; I agree; downtwinkles; I’m not feeling it; this bothers me. Midtwinkles, I’m not sure.”#nycga

“If you have a point of information that is relevant to the proposal, like a fact, put one finger up. If you can’t hear ppl tonight…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…point upwards. If we stray from process tonight [put yr diamonds in the sky] to make a point of process.” Stairs will respond.

Cont’d: “We’ll allow you to address why you think we’ve strayed from process and respond accordingly.” #nycga #ows

Proposal process: “We have 5-8 proposals this evening; the more effectively we use the process, the more we’ll get to.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We’ll hear proposals from the proposal; then we’ll go through clarifying questions to make sure we understand the proposal.” #nycga

Cont’d: “Clarifying questions make you feel sure you know what the proposal is about. Once you’re sure, you may have concerns, so…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…we’ll open stack on concerns. Then, friendly amendments that might address your concerns.” #nycga #ows

Now, a block “does not mean I don’t like the proposal; it means you have a serious moral, ethical, or safety concern that was so dire…”

Cont’d: “…that if the proposal was to pass, you’d want to separate yourself from the movement.” Taken very seriously. #nycga #ows

And @carriem213 is taking stack! A list of speakers. “At #OWS, we use progressive stack, where voices traditionally marginalized…”#nycga

Cont’d: “..receive priority. We also use ‘step up step back’, so if you’re someone encouraged to speak all your life, maybe step back…”

Cont’d: “…and make room for someone who hasn’t been encouraged to be heard all their lives.” #nycga #ows

OK! Now we’re going to watch a video frm Organization. Haywood: “We got consensus Thurs to say thank you to ppl who’ve helped us out.”#nycga

Cont;d: “Over 5000 people have donated to us; we’ve never communicated to them even to say thank you.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We wanted to [make a video] on #D17, but the police fuckin’ us up kind of fucked that plan up. But, then, we found David, who…”

Cont’d: “…if you remember, made awesome Occupy commercials a month ago. Had been working on a love letter from Occupy.” #nycga #ows

David is showing us a video. Watch at! #nycga #ows

RT @walden212: @theonewhoknits @LibertySqGA The NYCGA livestream is at

@michaeldbirch thanks for coming michael!!

This video is amazing. Heavily features Andy, Nicole from facilitation and Sandy from DA. Making me cry a bit. #nycga #ows

“This is about economic justice, and you can’t take that with 400 riot police.” – Andy #nycga #ows

.@dontbeaputz didn’t like it as much, hahah. #nycga #ows

Nan, out of process, is complaining that the video doesn’t include everyone, just “the popularity people.” #nycga #ows

Yes, very soon, it’s on YouTube as private right now. RT @MegRobertson: @LibertySqGA Will the video be posted online anywhere? #OWS

OK, now for emergency proposals. First one was from Trish’s “NYCGA Council,” but she’s not here so it’s withdrawn. #nycga #ows

Second emergency proposal is from Nan’s Strong Woman Rules. The sheet that was given to facilitation had no info so we’ll find out… #nycga

Cont’d: …what Nan wants to bring up and then we’ll decide whether we consider it an emergency proposal, i.e. it has a… #nycga

Cont’d: “…previously-unknowable imminent external deadline.” #nycga #ows

Nan: “The proposal was about something that took place; me and Trish, unfortunately she’s not here.” #nycga #ows

“We felt like facilitation was not doing their job properly last night; the proposal is a 3-part proposal, but Trish isn’t here to talk…”

Cont’d: “…on that, so we decided to table it, and since we’re occupying Zuccotti Park, we’re going to wait for the next GA…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…in Zuccotti Park and talk about it there.” OK. Tabled, going to Mobile Screenprinting’s Proposal! #nycga #ows

Stairs: “We’ve allotted 20 minutes for each agenda item.” Explaining to all the folks who’ve filtered in that we have hard end time: 10:30.

Sage is concerned with something: “This is like a lot of participation, it’s inside, and I don’t want proposals strategically choosing…”

Cont’d: “…really difficult-to-get-to general assemblies, so that 6 ppl in the rain can pass it.” #nycga #ows

That was apparently re: Nan wanting to wait for an in-park GA. #nycga #ows

OK, screen guild! Lisa! “We make these things and we raise money for the movement! (t-shirts). We’d like others in the movement…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…to have that opportunity as well. So, this is a proposal to fund Mobile Screen Labs. We’ve already done 3 of them; we got $ for..”

Cont’d: “…2 of them here in November.” Costs $150 each. They want $3000 to get 20 of them, w/ all equipment needed. #nycga #ows

OK, Stairs opening stack for clarifying questions. “First on stack is Matt.” Matt: “I love stuff like this; things that promote our…”

Cont’d: “…movement tend to receive little resistance. But what’s the average cost for paint, resources, how many tshirts are utilized…”

Cont’d: “…how would you describe paint versus number of tshirts you can do?” #nycga #ows

A: “You mean how many shirts per amount of ink?” Q: “Yeah.” A: “Good question; we’re not sure. It depends on how much is used.” #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “We ended up doing thousands a day in the park; the ink is relatively cheap. $15/quart, get few hundred shirts from that.” #nycga

CQ. Haywood: “You guys are great — they’re pretty much our only revenue stream right now. They come back with stacks of cash…”

Cont’d: “…and it would be great if other occupations could have that as well. But when you’re going and giving this stuff to other…”

Cont’d: “…occupations, are you making sure they have a bank account and it’s not just going to an individual’s account?” #nycga #ows

A: “Good question; we’ve not asked. In Newark, it was understood it was going to general fund. In Boston – they are so skint right now…”

Cont’d: “…it’s such a desperate situation, as in Washington. So, we were — it was understood by the contacts that were made within…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…those camps that the money was going general. But we’ll have to monitor that in the other cities.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “I don’t know if we can dictate that it goes to the GA, but we’re not funding startup businesses. So far, hasn’t happened.” #nycga

CQ: “So, you’re sending kits or the money?” A: “We’re sending kits; we make screens here (cheap to do in bulk here), and hopefully…”

Cont’d: “..they’ll be able to raise the money using our screens to do designs of their own.” #nycga #ows

She mentions that designers came to do screens in the park after seeing ours — “so it incites donations.” #nycga #ow

CQ: “How do you decide which occupations?” A: “They’ve been reaching out to us; we went to DC and met some ppl, Craig from Austin…”

Cont’d: “…so it’s been kind of moving around. Also, half of our group make a lot of political posters. We’re trying to find ppl who..”

Cont’d: “..want to go to the occupations and get things started.” They’re not sending ppl, just kits, and using networks to pull skilled..

Cont’d: ..printers. “it’s about skill so you can maintain them, not destroy them w/ one use.” #nycga #ows

Stairs closes stack on CQs. CQ: “Are you also intending to hold teach-ins at occupations so others can learn how to do the printing?” #nycga

A: “We’re trying to do it — you know, tailoring each thing to each occupation. Sometimes it’s b/c ppl are going for personal reasons…”

Cont’d: “…like, someone was going to Boston, she brought the stuff and found ppl who could do the printing, and next night had a seminar…”

Cont’d: “ a space they found like “this is how you do it.”” They’re also making a training how-to video. #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “So, we’re making teaching materials available,” and trying to hook ppl up who already know how to screen print. #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “So, yeah, we’re doing it really slowly; not just sending out kits and hoping it works.” Finding ppl onsite. #nycga #ow

Stairs notes we’re 5 minutes from time on this; Nathan suggests folks be a little briefer. “We can extend time, but let’s” try to be brief.

CQ: “The $3000 — are you expecting this money to come back to #OWS or these other places?” A: “No, this is about fundraising for…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…other occupations.” We won’t ask them to repay or replace the screens, which do have a limited life. #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “We have a little money; if we send $75 of supplies, they may make $3000.” #nycga #ows

Next CQ, Nick: “You’re asking for $3k. Do you have a sorted list of what — each, how much is going to what?” #nycga #ows

A: “Yeah. Squeegees $15/each, 2 per kit. Screens w/ image, $40 each, 2 per kit. It’s like, spray bottle, ink, 2 quarts of ink $15/ea..”

Cont’d: “…so that’s how we got $150 for one kit. We won’t be getting $3000 all at once; we’ll do it kit by kit.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Little bits at a time, as people are ready to accept these kits.” Stairs now opening stack on Concerns. #nycga #ows

Nan’s concern: “I just heard that you’re a very hard worker, and I applaud you. Those are the ppl I’m behind. But my concern is, you came..”

Cont’d: “…to ask us for money, and I’m not going to block you, I support you 100%. But next time I’d like to see an itemized list so we…”

Cont’d: “…can better look at it.” A: “It’s on the website.” Q: “Yeah, but keep in mind, it’s the GA, not the Spokescouncil, not everyone…”

Cont’d: “…has access.” CQ, Jake: “What happens if the money is gone before you are ready to spend the money?” #nycga #ows

Jake suggests they take it up front. A: “I didn’t realize that that was an issue! If that’s a concern, I hope Finance will raise it…”

Cont’d: “…I mean, accounting.” Haywood from Fina– uh, Accounting, thanks her. #nycga #ows

OK, now onto Friendly Amendments stack. “Just to be clear, if you have a FA you think will help you support this proposal, it’s up to…”

Cont’d: “…proposer to decide if it’s friendly or not and whether to accept it.” #nycga #ows

FA: “Train me, so I can fly out and bring someone!” A: “Can’t accept as FA, but we do train ppl!” Proposer learned this here! #nycga #ows

FA: “As different occupies start generating their own shirts, maybe request they reimburse us so we can do this for more occupations.”#nycga

A: “I’d not like to accept that FA, b/c they are so fucked in other cities, and we have so much $ compared to what they have, and so much..”

Cont’d: “…better fundraising capabilities. I can raise that $150 w/ 10 tshirts.” They’ve raised at least $25k. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “So, I think we should just give it. Also I don’t want to follow up w/ them and be like, oh you owe us $150.” #nycga #ows

Nan’s FA: “It’s a little silly, but if you’re going to send out a kit, I’d like to include the logo of our WG in the kit.” A: “No.” #nycga

Cont’d: “We’d like to send it out as us; it’s occupy to occupy.” #nycga #ows

FA, Corey: “Send out a few of the kits; get a report — how are they doing? is it working out? And then proceed, if it is?” #nycga #ows

FA cont’d: “Or, if you don’t want to do that, I’d just like to see a report back, how it’s going.” #nycga #ows

A: We did that w/ Newark, Boston; have continued to be a resource. “But it’s not like it’s a grant and they have to tell us stuff back.”

Cont’d: “I don’t want an extra administrative thing b/c that would have stopped me from doing it here.” #nycga #ows

Next, Sage’s FA: “I see you guys have some very worthy skills, and I’m hearing that you share those skills w/ this community..” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “..I know you did it at the Park. But next time you have a skillshare, if you could flier for it among the ppl in this movement…”

Cont’d: “…who might not have skills, like the McDonald’s and the Atrium and outside GAs… the skills you have, you’re sharing the…”

Cont’d: “…tools w/ the other occupations, but” — wants them to share skills with us more too. #nycga #ows

A: “No, it’s great. We’ve been trying to figure out, can we go to the churches? It’s kind of messy, inky– things to negotiate.” #nycga

A cont’d: “…but yeah. And we did it at the skillshare yesterday that Sustainability put on.” #nycga #ows

Last FA, Haywood: “This is something that Accounting is floating around; when you do this and ship it off– would you accept a FA…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…to have a bank account #, and a GA — to make sure they have a GA or spokes or democratic body w/ an account so it doesn’t…”

Cont’d: “…go into someone’s pocket? Like the most basic organizational stuff in our movement.” #nycga #ows

A: “I’m not going to accept it –” Haywood: “OK. Cool.” A: “–but I will ask about it.” #nycga #ows

No FAs accepted, so it’s still “a $3000 budget allotment for mobile screen kits for other occupations around the US — I wish it were for..”

Cont’d: “…occupations beyond, but we can’t afford the shipping. Anyway.” Stairs asks for blocks? No blocks! CONSENSUS! #nycga #ows

Stairs: “And I believe we did that only about 3 minutes over time, so… way to go, indoor GA!” #nycga #ows

Stairs: “So, we’re going to move ahead; there’s space here if y’all want to sit down.” Still not using ppl’s mic! [Ed: Argh!] #nycga #ows

Next, Info/ComHub! Stairs: “Once again, we’re starting out w/ 20 minutes for this proposal.” #nycga #ows

Info: “There’s currently 100+ groups on the nycga website; we’re trying to understand who they are. There’s so many of us; we need…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…to have certain ways…” We’re switching to people’s mic b/c she’s quiet! Yay! [I mean, yay! -Ed.] #nycga #ows

“I’m going to briefly describe the proposal.” She’s reading it verbatim so I’m going to paste the link for y’all… #nycga #ows

Info/ComHub proposal: “Working Groups: Hey, Who’s Still Around?” — being introduced now. #nycga #ows

So, it’s essentially a proposal to define a working group w/ basic terms and restrict groups on our GA site to those that are local, active.

She is done reading it. “Thank you! That’s a lot of information. Can you summarize it briefly?” #nycga #ows

Summary: “We have a lot of groups!” Some are dupes, some are inaccessible, some are maybe not for real. #nycga #ows

First on CQ stack: Nan! “Thank you very much for the fliers; we appreciate them at GA and the NYCGA Council.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “But my question for you guys is this. There are some groups out there doing work for the ppl, they don’t want to be recognized..”

Cont’d: “…this is going to restrict working groups that don’t announce, like my group, we do different kinds of things in private. So…”

Cont’d: “…I feel like you guys are pushing your agenda. This is GA, not spokescouncil. It’s not right or just.” #nycga #ows

Stairs: “That’s not a question, it’s a concern.” Nan: “My question is this: who came up w/ this idea?” #nycga #ows

Nan: “Some groups may not want to identify themselves. They may want to stay anonymous, b/c this is an anonymous movement.” #nycga

Stairs tries to make sense of her question:”It’s ‘did you post it online and get feedback from groups w/ sensitive histories?'” #nycga #ows

A: “We did post it; got some suggestions. We didn’t reach out specifically to all working groups ahead of time, but partly because..”#nycga

Cont’d: “…we can’t. Many WGs have no info, so we can’t reach out to them.” Suggests she make an FA about reaching out. #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “As far as remaining confidential, 5 members is not a lot. And you don’t have to show past histories. All of our groups, DA…”

Cont’d: “…for example have stuff they shouldn’t make public until a certain amount of time. And we don’t want this to be a situation…”

Cont’d: “…where we’re making it hard for people who are doing confidential wrk. Bt 5 people is a low threshold. It’s a basic request.”#nycga

Stairs notes we’re 10 minutes into the 20 minutes for this. Closing CQ stack. #nycga #ows

Next CQ, Robert: “Oh, deja vu. Um, one of your standards for legitimacy for one of the subgroups is to hold true to the NYCGA principles…”

Cont’d: “…of solidarity. It self-describes as a slipper– i’m sorry, “living document”. How do you hold groups to a standard that…”

Cont’d: “…self-describes as changing?” A: “Good question; that’s why we are bringing it to the GA, who can decide this.” ComHub doesn’t…

Cont’d: “…want to police this.” Example is the “I love Goldman Sachs Group” from Illinois “probably shouldn’t be on our website.” #nycga

CQ: “Some of the groups on the website are private, so I guess they’d have to be public? Should we say “OK you’re a group, or…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “..or should they go to GA?” Jake notes that NYCGA lets you set groups as private, but it’s a flaw and it will be disabled. #nycga

Sage’s CQ: “So, my concern is, in the 30-day period, does this mean that in that period you’re trying to figure out whether they…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…fit the community agreements we’re discussing now, they get $100/day? Because that seems lk a very expensive grace period.”#nycga

She starts to answer, but Sage politely interrupts and asks her to try to make sure she answers such that “I can fit it in my RAM.” #nycga

Sage explains he is worried folks can scam by making new group every 30 days. A: “The 30 day grace period is one-time, any new working…”

Cont’d: “…groups need to go through the GA.” Jake clarifies again, any new group doesn’t get the grace period. Sage thanks them. #nycga #ows

A: “I don’t think a lot of groups are bad,” disagrees with framing and objects to bureaucracy, worried about needing contact info… #nycga

Cont’d: …because some people don’t have any. “I don’t think making it harder to engage is a solution.” #nycga #ows

Stairs notes it sounded like a concern. He rephrases. “It sound like you’re trying to exclude people to make the problem go away.” #nycga

Stairs notes that Concerns will come up after CQs. PoI in response tho: “Part of this proposal entails that TechOps and ComHub are willing..

Cont’d: “…to bend over backwards to help those w/o phone #s get them.” #nycga #ows

CQ, Marco: “What does it exactly mean that the groups need to be in the 5 boroughs?” #nycga #ows

A: “We’re #OWS, not #OccupyChicago. We love helping movement but need to be clear that we work locally.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “So, meetings have to be here, or people have to move here?” A: “Meetings have to be here.” #nycga #ows

One more CQ, then we’ll review extending time. Stan: “Is ComHub/Info going to go to the GA every GA if a group falls out of that…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…30-day period and say ‘this working group has no longer showed the GA that they’re a working group’?” #nycga #ows

A: “Every single person who’s a part of #OWS should be at every GA. So yes.” Folks are confused, they clarify tech/comhub… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: …always has at least one member present at GA. “So, yes.” But, notes that the 30-day period happens only once. #nycga #ows

Stairs temp-checked 5 more minutes. It was so positive, we temp-checked 10 minutes. 10 minutes it is. #nycga #ows

First on Concerns stack: Joseph. “I like the GA, I like Spokescouncil, #OWS — I like all that. But I think one thing that we all miss…”

Cont’d: “…out on, and it’s not bad, it’s normal, is we all come from different backgrounds and have different experiences.” #nycga #ows

Joseph notes that we just don’t “live each others’ lives”, ppl get judgmental but it’s just a lack of sensitivity. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “So, I think sometimes things get passed because there is a lack of sensitivity.” #nycga #ows

Joseph is suggesting that we spend time talking about differences of experience; it’s a different proposal. “That’s a really good proposal..

Cont’d: “ should make this an actual proposal,” ComHub says. Stairs feels “an obligation to recognize points of process, while…”

Cont;d: “…appreciating what you said.” Joseph thanks them. Next Concern: “It’s a really good idea to consolidate, get groups organized…”

Cont’d: “I’m a little confused about a working group versus an affinity group — affinity groups don’t take money from the GA?” #nycga

Cont’d: “But certainly the office allocates 10s of 1000s of dollars from somewhere– I guess it’s not ours…” #nycga #ows

Stairs asks if she is sure the question is relevant to the proposal. She’s not sure, Stairs asks her to be concise. #nycga #ows

CQ: “Well, what’s the difference between obligations of an affinity group and a working group?” #nycga #ows

A: “This only covers WGs attached to GA, and I honestly couldn’t tell you what an affinity group is.” #nycga #ows

Next, concerns. “There were some ppl w/ concerns b/c of unavailability of contact info,” suggests ppl could go to Charlotte’s Place…#nycga

Cont’d: …and use the free computers there, “set up an email, maybe a Facebook page,” you could set it up! #nycga #ows

A: “Thank you. If the proposal’s passed, we’ll make sure to add that into the information w/ it.” #nycga #ows

POI: “The Tech group has the ability to make group emails, but we need a framework like this so we know what is a group, and then…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…we can provide people with emails and phone numbers.” #nycga #ows

.@shawncarrie notes (POI) that there are working groups working on access, there are many resources, and the library has some. #nycga #ows

There’s 1 more POI. “Not a lot of people do trust giving up their contact info.” Stairs notes that’s not quite a POI, but that’s ok. #nycga

Nan’s concern: “I feel like you guys are marginalizing people w/ this proposal; basically disrespecting a working group w/ this proposal..”

Cont’d: “…and you guys have no right whatsoever to demand such a thing from a working group. WGs are working their butt off #1, and…”

Cont’d: “…especially if you’re working with a working group, you don’t have time to scratch your own butt.” #nycga #ows

A: “This group doesn’t have the power to do anything; the GA does, and what we’re asking is for the GA to do that.” #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “We don’t claim any power, just as none of the WGs can impose anything on anyone. That’s why we’re at GA.” #nycga

A cont’d: “Plus, you don’t have to use your own email. You can make a new one, you can use google voice, there are many things, we…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…want to make sure these resources are available; that’s why we’re doing it.” #nycga #ows

Also, “We know working groups are working hard; that’s why we want to do this, to help you get volunteers.” Improves cohesion. #nycga

Stairs: “We’re gonna close stack on Concerns.” Also, we’re out of time again. “This happens; it’s been going on pretty well.” #nycga #ows

“6 more ppl on stack for concerns, then friendly amendments, then we’ll see how we’re moving towards consensus.” Tempchecking 10 minutes…

Stairs: “That’s pretty mixed, it looks like to me!” Now checking for 5; it looks mixed still. Checking w/ proposers.. #nycga #ows

Proposers: “We’ll take it forward, if ppl are ready to vote on it.” We’ll skip to consensus process, ask for blocks. #nycga #ows

Ppl are a little confused. “Since the group did not give a positive reaction to extending time, and the proposers didn’t table it….”#nycga

Cont’d: “…we’ve moved directly to blocks.” Some mild consternation. I think ppl want to make FAs. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “Once again, where we were at, we ran out of time for a second time. Proposers had option to table it; decided not to.” #nycga #ows

Stairs noting that sometimes folks express disinterest in extending time because they’re ready for consensus. #nycga #ows

Stairs temp checking extending for 5 minutes; this time it was very positive. “We’re going to go ahead.” #nycga #ows

Sage’s POP: “So, we as a community… use blocks as FAs anyway. So if we just shift to blocks and bust those out, we’ll get thru this..”#nycga

Cont’d: “…a lot faster.” Says it just determines if someone speaks twice or once. #nycga #ows

Stairs thanks Sage, but wants to continue w/ Concerns. “We’ve taken up a lot of time talking about this tho, so we’re going to move ahead.”

Next, Phoenix’s Concern: “Re: Library; you have to be a resident of New York to use their computers.” Very bureaucratic. #nycga #ows

A: “Thank you, that’s a good point,” although someone says you can get a guest pass. But Tech Ops will help someone get access thru them.

Next C, Marco: “I have a concern; I live in Jersey City. I wasn’t planning to go to Ohio, just the Jersey side. There’s a NYC political…”

Cont’d: “…entity, and there’s a NYC geographical entity.” He lives 2 miles from GA. #nycga #ows

A: “I love Jersey, and I don’t care if you live, but the meetings need to happen in New York City.” #nycga #ows

Kyle says he’s been in NYC for 5 days and can’t find WGs, loves this idea. So wonders if they can have a meeting time to direct folks…

Cont’d: …to tech resources. A: “That’s a great idea.” Drew notes the #: 1 855 NYCGA 411 has all info from site. Nice math! #nycga #ows

Next Concern: “The part of this proposal that says you need 5 members in attendance for 3 consecutive weeks; who’s going to enforce that?”

A: “The actual meaning is 5 member minimum and public meetings.” So it’s actually got to be <5 for 3 consecutive weeks, not vice versa.

A cont’d: “It’s good faith. But ppl should be joining your group! If people show up and no one is there, they’ll bring it to GA.”#nycga #ows

Stairs notes we’re out of time, but “we’ve been working on this for awhile and I think it’s gone amazingly. Everyone’s been respectful.”

Stairs will now re-check time; clarifies that if we decline to extend, we’ll move to consenus. #nycga #ows

OK, checking for Blocks. There’s a bunch, but most just want to make amendments. Time limits are newish and still have some kinks. #nycga

@OTHoccupier you don’t have to be at every GA. i think she misspoke. but i hope you come as much as you can.

OK, so we’ll review blocks. Sage has a POP tho: “I propose that we accept as a group that if someone has already spoken to their block..”

Cont’d: “…and it’s the same as their concern, maybe we can’t afford to spend the time to hear their concern.” Nan objects. #nycga #ows

Stairs acknowledges that “let’s all be concise, and if your block is the same as your concern, you can make it even more concise.” #nycga

Drew was blocking to make an amendment that “groups should be required to be public on website.” A: “Done.” #nycga

Robert: “Since holding groups to a shifting standard isn’t really ethical, if the standard shifts, could a new 30-day compliance…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…window be applied,” then he’d remove his block. Referring to Principles of Solidarity’s malleability. #nycga #ows

A: “What we’re willing to accept as a group is if Principles of Solidarity shift in way material to proposal, will have new 30-day period”

Cont’d: “I’d assume that if there were major shifts, this would all change anyway, but yes, we accept.” Robert: “Block removed.” #nycga

Next block wants to expand to NY Metro area. A: “Accepted.” #nycga #ows

Next block wanted to make sure #s being given would be toll-free. A: “Yes!” Block removed. #nycga #ows

Next block says this is going to homogenize our culture. “You’re pushing things away when we should have as many types of groups..”#nycga

Cont’d: “…as possible.” Stairs asks if there’s an amendment that would fix it, and he says he just thinks we want to push groups out. #nycga

A: “We don’t want to. We really don’t. We just wnt to make working groups more accessible.” Blocker will register as standaside. #nycga #ows

Next block is concerned about “further concentration of power” – cites the redundancy concerns. Accuses proposers of being powerful. #nycga

Lots of down twinkles to that. A: “There’s nothing to say that groups must dissolve; we’re not evaluating work or overlap between group…”

Cont’d: “…or asking groups to disband.” Stairs asks if there’s an amendment that would satisfy block… #nycga #ows

…she says, “I want something about concentration of power.” “This has nothing to do with this proposal.” #nycga #ows

A: “Can I explain what I do? I call WGs and ask them what they’re up to and what they need, how they could be better-connected…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…so we can do our jobs and fight more effectively. That’s all I do.” Stairs: “I see points of process & points of affection.”#nycga

Blocker: “I don’t doubt her intentions.” Stairs asks if her block holds; she says “it should be reworked, I really think so.” #nycga #ows

Stairs notes that since a block is holding, we’ll end up at modified consensus, but continuing w/ blocks. #nycga #ows

Sage: “A lot of solutions are top-down, and are well-thought-out, but then someone comes bottom-up and blows it up because when you…”

Cont’d: “…have no resources, you find ways to make shit work.” Since this is top-down, he questions its effectiveness, but… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…if you could just spend some time thinking about what it would look like if ppl in the park had made a proposal to block 1 or 2..”

Cont’d: “…of you, but not all of you, how would that feel?” He has a FA tho. “If ComHub were to commit to spending 1 full night at…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…McDonald’s or Fulton St train station every other week, and I’d also take 3 ppl from any office WG, to actually commit to…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…spending — not 12 hours, I’ll be reasonable — 6.5 hours at McDonald’s, I’ll drop it.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “And if you don’t, I’ll give you a week leeway, but you have to show up at least every other week.” #nycga #ows

Hahahah. Stairs: “Thank you, Sage.” Proposers respond: Ronnie: “I’ll do it.” APPLAUSE! Sage asks they rotate, but will drop block. #nycga

Next, White Hat. “I understand the issue in there being an explosion of groups” — proposers state again that’s not the concern. #nycga #ows

White Hat continues. “The problem is making a requirement of being on website in some form as condition for getting funding from GA…”

Cont’d: “..or a GA-related activity. Whether it’s on the website or not is a nonissue.” Thinks groups should be able to be public. #nycga

Proposers ask if they could add a way to report directly to GA; White Hat thinks they should take site out of proposal. #nycga #ows

A: “We really can’t do that.” OK, so that one holds. #nycga #ows

OK, Nan’s block. “Anyone who has a website at, takes the time to register group, create email, all that stuff…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…go to the GA, make an announcement, then set up on site, so you can get $100… it’s an ethical thing, so groups…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…that spend all this time to set up the website.” Appeals to our dislike of “Uncle Sam”, “IRS.” #nycga #ows

A: “All I can do is reiterate that this process takes approximately 15 minutes. Second, in addition to us taking responsibility for…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…getting handwritten minutes up on the website” — Nan: “Why are you talking about minutes?” A: “It’s part of the proposal.”#nycga

Robert: “I’d like the group to remember that all the power in #OWS belongs to the group of ppl. And that the group has all the right…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…and authority to decide when it’s being approved.” Stairs asks what the POP is; he says the block is illegitimate. #nycga #ows

RT @TesselizaTC: Discussing proposal 2streamline wgs @owsnycLIVE ( @DiceyTroop @OWSLivestream @Dwayne_wins @OWS_Li …

One more block, Freddy. “My only concern is that physical people aren’t easy to find. If I was using a device or email or picking..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…up a phone, where can I find out where working groups meeting? If pt ppl could maybe work together to keep each other informed…”

Cont’d: “…so that ppl can answer questions about other working groups?” #nycga #ows

A: “That’s the heart of this proposal. That’s a beautiful restatement of why we have this proposal; we want the info to be available…”

Cont’d: “…to everyone.” So he gives up his block. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “There are 2 blocks that came after the blocks were called; we let everyone express and ask for fixes; 2 still stand.” #nycga

OK, so there are 13 no votes. Currently doing a headcount to determine whether there are at least 117 ppl here. #nycga #ows

Oh, snap. Proposers are talking about whether they want to table the proposal. They were upset by some of the negativity… #nycga #ows

OK, so we did a headcount. As often happens, the number against dropped when people realized they’d actually block the proposal…

…so the total result is 119 total people, 11 ppl against. Sm confusion as usual w/ the count, but it passes. MODIFIED CONSENSUS! #nycga #OWS

We were identifying the 2 ppl who dropped opposition, and then a third stood up to retract their no vote. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “It was expressed to us that once people really understood the proposal, they decided their vote against was premature.” #nycga #ows

3 no’s recanted. RT @RJAlvarez: @LibertySqGA3 people are complicating the math. 13/119 > 10%, so proposal should have failed.

OK, moving on. Stairs: “We’d like to move on, bt tht was really intense, so if we all could take a couple of breaths, that’d be good.”#nycga

Next, laundry reimbursement. Proposer: “I came to SIS and asked how I could help, they were like, ‘we have all this laundry!'”#nycga

Cont’d: “So I did them; they’ve been washed, they’re ready to go for a month. Someone said they’d take care of the accounting…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…but then he left and the raid happened. So cleaners are still looking for $916 to pay the bill so that I’m not personally…”

Cont’d: “…responsible to pay bill w/ money I don’t have because I stepped up for SIS.” #nycga #ows

Opening CQ stack: “We had an emergency laundry proposal 2.5 weeks before the raid; tons of money was allocated. It all went to the…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…laundry place that nite.” A: “On the receipt it’ll say the date; they haven’t mailed it to me, bt it’s really close to SIS.”#nycga

Cont’d: “The money — I don’t even want to see it. You can pay it directly to Rafael laundry. And then you can get all these clothes.”#nycga

Comfort: “Talk to comfort! We have $ for laundry already. And you’re not talking about clothes already in SIS?” #nycga #ows

A: “No; it’s already washed, it’s been sitting in the laundromat, cleaned, done, sitting there, and they call me directly b/c the person…”

Cont’d: “…who was taking care of accounting bailed, left, went to Paris.” CQ: “Who is that?” A: “Brian.” #nycga #ows

Next, Shane. “I guess mine was already somewhat answered; I was going to ask if you’ve already talked to SIS to ask if there’s a laundry..”

Cont’d: “…budget.” A: “I’ve been working w/ SIS; but they can’t pay because they only get the $100/day.” #nycga #ows

@OWSLibrary yes, it did!

Nan’s CQ: “The laundry whatever, you should have asked how much it would cost before making that decision, now you’ve got yourself…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…in deep shit-water, since you should have brought it to GA yourself, so I don’t think we should pay for it.” #nycga #ows

POP: “This is a time for clarifying questions.” Nan: “OK, let me rephrase your process because you’re so concerned about it…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…why didn’t you go to GA first?” A: “I showed up, someone asked me to do it. As a volunteer, I didn’t know what the process was…”

Cont’d: “…or the steps. I went to take care of the payment, and then someone said, ‘you’re not SIS, let them deal with it.'” #nycga #ows

Eventually, someone pointed her to the GA. Comfort again: “I’m not sure it matters what happened because comfort can reimburse you for it.”

OK, great! So they’re going to table the proposal, work offline. Sage *really* wants to continue in case solution w/ comfort doesn’t work.

@RJAlvarez no problem, thanks for holding us accountable from home. much appreciated.

Stairs: “We have one more proposal tonight, and we have a little more than 30 minutes.” This proposal is time-sensitive. #nycga #ows

Proposers: “Thank you so much to DA for tabling your proposal so we could bring this one. Much appreciated.” #nycga #ows

“I’m Kathryn; I’m from a working group called OccupyDignity!” Holding 24-hour vigil on Christmas to provide “comfort and solace”… #nycga

Cont’d: “…to those who are left alone on holiday and those who object to our cultural practice of Christmas.” #nycga #ows

Here’s the text for this one: #nycga #ows

OK, stacking up CQs. “How can you have a multi-faith celebration of Christmas?” #nycga #ows

A: “As a Christian, I’d like all faiths to collaborate with me in celebrating Christmas.” Notes it was stolen by Christians. #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “I don’t like Christmas, because it’s called Christ Mas, but I think it should be about behaving a heck of a lot better.” #nycga

Nan’s CQ: “I love the idea that you want to have christmas, but do you know others don’t celebrate christmas?” #nycga #ows

A: “Yes; I won’t be celebrating Christmas; I’ll be fasting, more of a prayer vigil for me. It’s for those who choose not to participate…”

Cont’d: “…in the traditional way.” Next, Freddy. “My understanding of Thanksgiving Day was there was more food than occupiers…” #nycga

@stanleyrogouski word, i think that’s what they’re getting at here for sure.

Cont’d: “…and there was donated food — has the issue been dealt with? Such a big food budget.” #nycga #ows

A: Food budget is 25% as big, & we’re trying to get Brookfield to open the barricades on xmas to increase number of ppl present. #nycga #ows

CQ Razor: “I am highly confused by this. Why does a celebration prioritizing relationships over commerce cost $7500?” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “I didn’t know T-day budget was $20,000.” Proposer: “Yeah, neither did I.” “I think it’s awesome what you’re trying to do, but…”

Cont’d: “…I don’t understand spending this money when we can dumpster dive, this is everything we’re fighting in corporate America,”#nycga

Cont’d: “In Corporate America we’re fighting big parties and bonuses at Christmastime. Why are we spending $7500 on a party when…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…occupiers are sleeping in McDonald’s?” A :”We’re open to friendly amendments; we’d much rather have people come forward to cook…”

Cont’d: “…but we’re a small group and are working very hard to make it happen. We thought kitchen would help w/ food, but they can’t.”#nycga

He notes that the $20,000 Thanksgiving budget was actually not paid for by us, it was paid for by a union. That’s a relief. #nycga #ows

Razor doesn’t understand just about every detail of this problem. Proposer doesn’t understand why she can’t hear that they’re into FAs.

“This isn’t our christmas, it’s yours. If you want to remove water, we can remove water. If you want to remove decorations, let’s do that.”

Cont’d: “If you can dumpster dive me enough water for people staying in the park 24 hours, I’ll be your best friend!” #nycga

Cont’d: “So there’s no reason to be so contentious; we can remove everything on this list if you want. I’m doing this to help people…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…and I’m with you!” Next, someone says dumpster diving christmas reminds him of Tiny Tim? #nycga #ows

Next, Cont’d: “We need to be looking at raising funds. $10 a meal in bulk is sort of ridiculous, should be closer to $3-4.” #nycga

A: “It’s $10/plate because it’s christmas; people charge more. But any number we don’t spend will go back; if you can help save, great…”

Cont’d: “…but we’ve been busy negotiating for use of park, and looping in faith groups, etc, so we’re behind schedule on this.” #nycga

Cont’d: “So, if we can have this budget passed, and then people get involved, then they can save money and we’ll spend less.” #nycga

Cont’d: “The person that can dumpster-dive water, saves the water budget. Whoever gets a $4 meal on Xmas day, great! I don’t know where!”

Cont’d: “If you want to block this money, block this $. We don’t have time for 15 CQs; we have time to make a fuckin’ awesome christmas!”

“Sorry about the f-word, I get like that.” Hahah. Someone points out Christmas is historically Pagan. #nycga #ows

David: “I felt the need to clarify what I think this is about. I’m obviously not Christian…” (David is very Jewish) “But I know…” #nycga

“…Christmastime is the time when those w/o families or are homeless, it’s the most painful time of the year. Those without relationships…”

Cont’d: “…have no one to feel whole with. And I think that’s what this is about.” #nycga #ows

So, Stairs are asking if we want to spare 5 more minutes for this proposal. “We don’t feel good about it; do we have any blocks?” #nycga

Robert objects: “This is a perversion of process.” But Stairs asserts [Ed: correctly] that this is what happens when time is not extended.

There are 3 blocks: Razor, Robert and someone else. Someone asks if it would ruin the plan if we waited til Thursday’s GA. #nycga #ows

A: “Christmas is on Sunday, so if we accept this today, it’s a backup plan, and we can start being creative and less stressed..”

Cont’d: “…but if we don’t pass it, and no one comes forward to help, there’s no Christmas dinner. So that’s pretty severe.” #nycga #ows

Some contention. Someone: “I think Christmas is hard for many ppl; we need to do something to support them. Can’t wait til New Years’…”

Cont’d: “…what if someone is really down at Christmas? We need to support them!” #nycga #ows

Stairs will push forward to blocks. “We’re going forward; people have blocks.” Nan, Razor, Robert, who else? #nycga #ows

Razor’s block: “We could have planned this before; we don’t need to bring it at last minute and make ppl feel guilty.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Also, the chronically homeless are not in this room. I can speak to that.” “I personally resent ppl who are not homeless saying..”

Cont’d: “…that this is for the homeless. This is how money gets wasted throughout the world; ppl throw a party for the little ppl but..”

Cont’d: “..the little people need housing!” #nycga #ows

Stairs gets consensus to step out of process. Apparently 56 walker gave us more time in this space! Rad, so we can do this convo justice.

Lou from 56 Walker: “We’re really glad to have #OWS in this space. We’ve had SC for a few weeks, first time with GA; we’re part of #OWS…”

Cont’d: “…and we’re glad to have you here. For this Thursday, we had previously scheduled a meeting w/ the NLG, which has been repping…”

Cont’d: “…protesters who’ve been arrested. Moved it earlier, so space is available at 8.” Want to know if we can shift GA 1 hr later Thurs.

“So, we could move GA to 8-11:30 or later.” We want to know what his preference is. Nan notes that folks have to leave to go to churches…

Cont’d: a certain time. Stairs notes that this time change has already been announced. Lou asks, “if we start an hour late…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…and end an hour late, what’s the temperature reading on that?” Nathan steps in to help. I think that’s the plan, 8pm Thurs. #nycga

So, given that we have a little bit, Nathan is asking if we want to continue the Christmas conversation for 10 more minutes. #nycga #ows

OK, so back to Razor’s concerns. Proposers say it’s really hard to get in touch with Kitchen b/c they’re so busy cooking. #nycga #ows

“It’s a really time-consuming process to get in touch w/ the right person to talk to, and get a call back.” #nycga #ows

Also, “we can amend to take out the decorations,” but want to keep Metrocard $ b/c many services will be shut down. #nycga #ows

“I don’t think you realize how many ppl are leaving; we’re having trouble finding ppl to livestream,” etc. #nycga #ows

“And it’s not about looking after the little person, it’s abt looking after the movement. We don’t want it to stop on Christmas Day.”#nycga

Razor wants to a direct response, but facilitation step in to be like “no, sorry” (we generally don’t do direct responses). #nycga #ows

Proposers spoke to next stackee, Jill, before she bounced, and plan to heed her request to get donations of warm clothes, etc. #nycga #ows

Joseph points out that extra layers can make a huge difference– dress pants under jeans “can keep you warm.” #nycga #ows

Someone asks (as usual) how much money we have; it’s about $275,000 “liquid” cash on hand. #nycga #ows

Proposers note that they’d really prefer to keep water and energy bars, which they consider “basic survival stuff,” but are open to discuss.

Medical lets them know, if they get extra water, “Medical Clinic will take it because we’re always short on water.” #nycga #ows

OK, now opening Concerns stack. Freddy: “My concern is the media coverage would justify the cost of the party, b/c donations to #OWS…”

Cont’d: “…correspond to direct actions and events. If we don’t do anything, it’ll look like movement is dying off.” #nycga #ows

Next: “Perspective plays into certain statements made, like, how does a homeless person look? Homelessness does not discriminate…”

Cont’d: “…there could be lots of homeless people here. It’s what you do with those…” Razor objects, but she continues: “My concern…”

Cont’d: “…is with this not moving forward, inclusively. We want to be productive, inviting, and inclusive, healing.” #nycga #ows

Says we can provide somewhere for people to heal, restore themselves. “You never know what a chronically homeless person might need.” #nycga

Sebastian (proposer) agrees with Razor’s general objections about how we spend money, but it takes time to get the perfect option…

Cont’d: “…and next year, everyone can get involved and we’ll have the perfect Christmas for free. But this year, we’re running out of time.”

“We’ve just got a few days, so let’s just make it happen so ppl cn be included, regardless of whether we did it the right way or wrong way.”

Zack’s concern is that we’re spending money on “party sorts of things” when the money was presumably intended to make political statements.

Cont’d: “I’m not prepared to block this proposal, but I am a little concerned about this much of our limited money being spent on..”

Cont’d: “…Christmas, when we might want to do more a little later on and not have any money left.” #nycga #ows

A: “I have to maintain my posture that this is a prayer vigil; this is a protest. ACLU wrote letter to Bloomberg and Brookfield: why can’t..

Cont’d: “…we bring a guitar in and sing Christmas Carols in a public space? This is a political action. There are a lot of ppl working on…

Cont’d: “…very political issues about whether we can bring our mats, food, instruments.” “I wouldn’t live in a park for 5 weeks if it…”

Cont’d: “…wasn’t a political action. And I wouldn’t spend Christmas Day on my knees praying if it wasn’t political as well as spiritual…”

Cont’d: “…because I’m an *activist*.” Applause! #nycga #ows

There are 8 ppl on stack. Yikes. Stairs: “I’d like to encourage self-regulation of these concerns.” No disrespect, but be concise. #nycga

Polly: “My concern in general is that when we call ourselves a group, we call ourselves a family, and a movement, that deals w/ a lot of..”

Cont’d: “…social issues. Everyone’s coming together for one specific purpose. As somebody from the medical field, I have to ask why…”

Cont’d: “…we’re not worried about morale. It’s important in everything you do; morale is a part of health. So, my concern is, why aren’t..”

Cont’d: “..we looking at it like that? This isn’t a party; this is for the people like me who’ve been here for the last 3 months.”

Also speaks strongly in favor of Sebatian. “He’s worked hard and he’s really a standup guy.” #nycga #ows

Someone notes that they like this, but the budget is a problem. A: “I wish we didn’t have this $ at all…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…if we didn’t have it, then kitchen wouldn’t say ‘go to catering’, it’d be do or die.” #nycga #ows

Kyle’s concern: “It should be Interfaith Day.” A: “It is.” Stairs: “He’s willing to change the name.” A: “From now on, no one has to say…”

Cont’d: “…the word Christmas.” But he will continue to do so because that’s what he’s doing. #nycga #ows

Next C: “I’m from Turkey; there may be Muslims in this movement; when you say Christmas and call it prayer, it feels like Christians are…”

Cont’d: “…dominating.” A: “I’m very sorry about that. But I need to keep saying to lawyers, I’m a Christian and need to celebrate in my way.

Cont’d: “The only reason it says Christmas on the flier is because we’re reaching a mass audience.” #nycga #ows

Stairs notes, “It’s almost 11:00 and we’ve still got this many people at GA; I’d say that speaks well for moving it inside.” #yncga #ows

Stairs is trying to wrap, so we’ll roll Friendly Amendments into rest of the Concerns stack, since they flow together. #nycga #ows

Sebastian: “We’ve got Muslims involved in planning as well, but we want people of all faiths involved.” #nycga #ows

Connor: “I see the growth of #OWS came out of large symbolic acts, so although focusing on Christmas is a little strange, expressing…”

Cont’d: “…our egalitarian principles on this day, we can reach out and show people where our hearts really are.” #nycga #ows

Justin is concerned about the price. “But I see all these ppl saying they’ll step up, w/ ideas of how, so, we’re supposed to function as…”

Cont’d: “…a community and get things done.” Ppl taking issue should step up to help “reduce cost to bare essentials, a couple thou maybe.”

Cont’d: “Homeless folks could dumpster dive, and bring that. Maybe ppl would appreciate a label for various reasons, but…” #nycga #ows

Sebastian: “We’ve been told we have to leave, everyone put your hands up and we’ll have Christmas! … Passed thanks.” Ha. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “Point of information, management says we have to leave. Personally, I’m exhausted. This is a new thing for us having GA indoors…”

Cont’d: “…we really tried to make the time constraints known to all, they gave us extra time, but now we have to leave.” #nycga #ows

Stairs: “Sorry, it’s the first time; next time we’ll do better!” #nycga #ows

BUT ACTUALLY THIS WAS AN AWESOME GA! Thanks everyone! Seriously, being inside rules. I hope anyone annoyed by cold GAs comes back. #nycga

Anyone has questions, concerns, comments, hit me up @diceytroop. Thanks fam! #nycga #ows

RT @OccupyWallStNYC: How’s everyone over at the @OccupiedHouse? Any #needsoftheoccupiers?

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Printing is not required, see #OWS #nycga @StrongWomenRul1: if your going to bring a proposal must have it print-out

Ok, we’re starting to start, we’re gathering for #SpokesCouncil. #nycsc #ows

RT @PoweredByCats: FYI #OWS Peeps! This weeks #nycga will NOT be held @ Liberty Sq. Tues/Thursday General Assembly will be at 7pm @ 56 W …

A light turnout. #nycsc #ows

Mic check! Agenda items for tonight: Town Planning. 2 parts. 1. take on housing… and something neither of us heard. #nycsc #ows

Stairs notes that #GA will be here tonight and they encourage everybody to come. #nycsc #ows

Someone wants to discuss making the #GA great again. Moving inside temporarily is a good step. #nycsc #ows

Jay: Notes that emergency #GA is being held tonight to dissolve #SpokesCouncil (Someone notes that it is Trish) #nycsc #ows

Media; Wld like reportbacks first b/c we might want to have interSpokes discussion re activities. #nycsc #ows

Justin wld like us to talk about how we reinvent the wheel, notes that the location wasn’t put on the web until an hr ago… #nycsc #ows

…(but it’s been here on Mon & Weds consistently). #nycsc #ows

OK, WG reportbacks, keep it short & concise. Let’s make it happen in 30 mins. #nycsc #ows

Diego will be timekeeper. He’s also one of the awesome hunger strikers. #nycsc #ows

OK, now stack-keeper. #nycsc #ows

Let’s see if we can be done by *;05-8:10. #nycsc #ows

Justin is first. Organizing Fest of Ebenezer at #zuccotti. Says something about #GA, but I didn’t catch it. #nycsc #ows

OccupyFarms. There are 9 farms on board and we are continuing to build a network. We’re using the tents to house the occupiers. #nycsc #ows

Meeting at Mon 5pm 60 Wall Street. If you want to learn about agriculture and animals, pls help out! #nycsc #ows

Facilitation: Income proposals everyday at 5pm at 60 Wall. Mtgs Tues Thurs Sat at 4pm at 60 Wall. Visit #nycsc #ows

And they have an informational twitter account: but they don’t mention the twitter handle. #nycsc #ows

They are starting to go to the park before #GA to answer questions about process, etc. #nycsc #ows

OccupyDignity: working on the holiday program. NYC Civil Liberty Union sent ltr to NYPD/Brookfield to allow expression of religion #nycsc

Spread the word! Trying to get prayer mats allowed in #Zyccotti. #nycsc #ows

They have a leaflet! #nycsc #ows

#nycsc #ows

#nycsc #ows

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OccupyTheYouth, this Thurs 4pm in Brooklyn, ReelWorks, helping kids learn film/media-making. #nycsc #ows

Tech: the Unconference was awesome! It showed that there are a lot of sides to the mvmnt. Almost 800 registered ppl were there #nycsc #ows

Press: @Dwayne_wins Mtgs Weds at 6pm at either 50 Bway or 60 Wall. If you need a press release, talk to us. #nycsc #ows

Kitchen: #GA proposal to distribute food passed, at Charas, #d17, jail support, etc. #nycsc #ows

Kitchen is looking for volunteers, please help! #nycsc #ows

NVC Non-violent communication/mediation: Mark: Mon-Fri 2-4pm at Charlotte’s place, they give NVC training. #nycsc #ows

Women Occupying Nations is not having a meeting this week. They went to the immigration rights parade. #nycsc #ows

Direct Action: Austin: #D17, they’l be holding a debreif on Weds 60 Wall (maybe at 730pm), check #nycsc #ows

Also having a joint mtg with the People of Color Caucus. Planning a roadtrip & wld like to cordinate w other WGs to build mvmnt #nycsc #ows

Weds 730pm 60 Wall for the #D17 debrief. #nycsc #ows

Trish: NYCGA Council (or something similar): They have been meeting to dissolve #SpokesCouncil. They are meeting now. #nycsc #ows

CQ: There is a process to dissolve #SpokesCouncil, it should be done that way. #nycsc #ows

Ashley has a question about the WGs, she shld go talk to them, not ask Stairs. #nycsc #ows

Accounting! We raised $6000 last week and spent more than that last night. #nycsc #ows

OK, WG reportbacks done! Good timing, folks! TThanks for reespecting our collective time. #nycsc #ows

Agenda items next: Town Planning proposal. (they have a flyer, i will try to get a pic of it) #nycsc #ows

Proposal from Town Planning WG. #nycsc #ows

This is a 3-part proposal. The first one involves limiting the appearance of any individual in the role of Spokes… #nycsc #ows

… to only 1 time per 7 days. #nycsc #ows

Part 2 is to define those held to the #OWS standards of conduct. #nycsc #ows

(I’m liking this so far. High time for this!) #nycsc #ows

He’s making the presentation. If you’ve followed this twitterfeed, you know what the issue is and how sorely this is needed. #nycsc #ows

#OWS desires the most numerous voices possible, and this proposal is geared to make more voices heard, and to limit the voices… #nycsc

… that are constantly heards. #nycsc #ows

the text #nycsc #ows

Clarifying question – if we’re doing this as #Spokes, can we have a cpl minutes to discuss w our groups? #nycsc #ows

explained… #nycsc #ows

Sage is saying that this is a public space, but it’s actually not. It’s a privately-owned space, and they rent it to us. #nycsc #ows

There is an issue as to whether the livestream can continue to film, some ppl are sensitive to being filmed. #nycsc #ows

Clarifying questions: 1. what other WG have you worked with on this? A: Just Town Planning. #nycsc #ows

A: (cont) TP is bringing this proposal to #SpokesCouncil, which is how #SpokesCouncil is supposed to work. #nycsc #ows

A: A working group that doesn’t have enough members (i.e. only 2) to rotate, maybe that’s not really a WG and is an abuse. #nycsc

PoP: We allotted 5 minutes for CQs, where are we on that. A: almost 4 minutes. #nycsc #ows

CQ: Has to do w process. The #GA has stated that we are supposed to rotate Spokes, how can we change what #GA says? #nycsc #ows

(Note: The #GA said Spokes are to rotate, and from my experience, they have not been rotating). #nycsc #ows

PoI: #SpokesCouncil has the right to self-regulate as long as it does not infringe on the powers of #GA. #nycsc #ows

(and someone quotes the specific language from the proposal that was passed by the #GA). #nycsc #ows

Trish: CQ: why is this presented from NYCGA to the #SpokesCouncil?

Stairs: We’re doing pretty good, let’s let if flow beautifully. #nycsc #ows

A: It was a convenient graphic, and everything we do here has to do with the NYCGA. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: We’re finishing stack and moving on to the next stack. #nycsc #ows

Ashley: CQ: some WGs only have 15 ppl, and cannot rotate their Spokes 3 times a week. This will censor them. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: That was not a Clarifying Question. #nycsc #ows

DA has a PoP: there is an extended back n forth, there was a question, let TP answer it. #nycsc #ows

A: In order to rotate Spokes 3 times a week, you only need 3 members of the WG. #nycsc #ows

CQ: Can we talk about this tonight and vote on Wednesday? A: That sounds like a FA> #nycsc #ows

(Whooo a guy just jumped into the center and appears incredibly unstable. I don’t recognize him.) #nycsc #ows

De-escalation is taking place. #nycsc #ows

Stairs notes that owners of this space have asked that no intoxicated ppl be allowed in here, and medical/de-escalation shld assist. #nycsc

OK, point of appreciation for all of us for handling that OK. Was deescalated, he was escorted out of his own accord. #nycsc #ows

Stairs notes that the fellow was suffering from something other than inebriation, and sorry to mislead you. #nycsc #ows

Concerns: 1. This WG taking it upon themselves to bring this proposal, they shld have included other WGs. A: Yeah, that’s how… #nycsc #ows

… proposals are brought to #SpokesCouncil. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: We’re on concerns for this proposal. We’re closing stack now, if you want to get on stack, do it now. #nycsc #ows

C: next, the owner of the building! He’s glad we’re here. From time to time there’s difficulties. Dealing w ppl is sometimes difficult.

… There are just ppl who are committed activitists, some have issues, and some here might not be genuinely with this group. In #LA there..

… were a dozen undercovers, and I assume there are more here. Let’s not accuse, but keep in mind that there cld be provocateurs here. #ows

… Not everybody may be with you, but be strong and continue. This is an alcohol- and drug-free zone, please respect that. … #nycsc #ows

… And respect our neighbors. I’ve been here 10 years and we’ve had gentrification, expensive condos, we have to deal… #nycsc #ows

w the fact that we share the block with the 1%, if there’s excessive noise, they call those who protect and serve them, the #NYPD. #nycsc

And we’re having the #GeneralAssembly here a couple times this week. #nycsc #ows

If anyone has any questions or needs any help, let me know. #nycsc #ows

C: Constitution WG: it limits a lot of groups, there might not be enough to rotate 3 spokes. #nycsc #ows

C: WoN: I have a moral/ethical concern (note: that’s a block), it used to be one person cld speak on Monday and then again on Friday…

Someone spoke for 2 groups last week, I feel this is censorship. In WoN, some ppl have children and can’t come. It seems like yr… #nycsc

… going off the deep end. More WGs should have been involved in this proposal. #nycsc #ows

PoI: On the website, there are 130 groups, they can merge! #nycsc #ows

Stairs: let’s take a moment. I am stacktacker, also checking vibes. By definition, side conversations are not participation…. #nycsc #ows

… we need you to participate. #nycsc #ows

A: the proposal would then require that to Spoke, you have three members per WG, that is not an onerous burdern. #nycsc #ows

There are ppl here that are heard from in abundance, we need to remedy that. #nycsc #ows

PoP: Seems like this is needed right now b/c of the breakdown in how we have operated the #SpokesCouncil so far (re ratifying, etc) #nycsc

C: Security: We feel good about the first part, but 2nd part about ppl in multiple groups, seems it is targeted to individuals. #nycsc #ows

(All the yellys said thank you) #nycsc #ows

… I want to take a deep breath and discuss. We want ppl to think on it. #nycsc #ows

A; It was specifically designed to limit the overparticipation and encourage ppl that we don’t hear from. #nycsc #ows

C: Trish is saying she is not a cop. She says Dwayne’s momma is a cop. My WG feels this proposal is discriminatory. #nycsc #ows

… It shld be publicized on A: It was, it’s been on since last Tues or Weds. #nycsc #ows

A: this is to encourage more participation, not less. #nycsc #ows

PoC wants to make an address: Agitated. We need this proposal. Today I have to speak for 2 groups, I am happy to let my groups know to come.

… I don’t think this is discriminating against People of Color, it is discriminating against certain ppl. We need to separate…

… the personalities of certain ppl from real discriminatory issues. And I want to note that the person who caused my agitation just left!

… This is a tactic. I don’t care if she is a cop or not a cop, this is an agitating topic. #nycsc #ows

C: Everybody has issues, we need to transcend those. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: Shld we keep taking about this? Mostly uptwinkles. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: Now Spokes need to give me an answer on whether to move forward with this proposal. #nycsc #ows

We’re taking a temperature check on moving toward consensus. A little confusion. There are 3 interwoven proposals. #nycsc #ows

OK, moving toward consensus? #nycsc #ows

We’re going to continue hearing the proposal (18 ppl were for continuing, and 8 were against). #nycsc #ows

FA from Constitution WG: wanted an exemption for WGs w/ fewer than 3. Rejected. #nycsc #ows

Accepted FA: restriction won’t take effect for 1 week. #nycsc #ows

OccupyFarms: let’s have a trial period. Declined. It’s intended to equalize participation. #nycsc #ows

Notes that anybody can bring a new proposal to repeal previous proposals. #nycsc #ows

FA: We’ve had rules before but no way to enforce. How can we enforce this in a non-violent way. #nycsc #ows

A: the third part of this package will address that. #nycsc #ows

FA: let’s keep track of who is Spoking, some sort of official record of Spokes. #nycsc #ows

(Facilitation is discussing this, since they will be tasked with that duty. #nycsc #ows)

@profsusurro This issue is separating tension with specific ppl from broader racial tension (that’s how I see it) #nycsc #ows @blogdiva

@blogdiva Tell minutes! #nycsc #ows

Minutes: we are self-policed, nothing in this asks ppl to leave, they can stay and witness, they can’t speak as a Spoke. #nycsc #ows

Press: if someone doesn’t honor the boundaries, what is to stop them. A: Nothing that we don’t already have. #nycsc #ows

Restricted Diets WG: Alternative to picking up ppl and remove them from the space (note: there’s nothing in the proposal that does that)…

… they should be given extra attention, special time, extra time, if they are still the only ones here (??), if we give them everything…

… they need, maybe they can find other ppl to work in their WG. #nycsc #ows

A: ppl should use all the tools they have, including Tech, to encourage other ppl to get involved in their WGs. #nycsc #ows

Kitchen: this is a comment on the process, our goal is to come to consensus, we need to avoid burnout. #nycsc #ows

Human rights: (she has a heavy accent, I’m having trouble, I’m sorry!): Asking ppl to do introspection and come as a community… #nycsc

… and discuss. #nycsc #ows

Don’t pretend it’s not personal, it is personal. You can read between the lines. Stairs: Proposal should include mediation & not be.. #nycsc

… personal? PoP: That was not a friendly amendment. Proposer: I can’t respond to it as a friendly amendment. #nycsc #ows

A: I would respond in a more general way: Nobody in this room objects to working with the movement. The problem is the behaviors… #nycsc

… It’s manifestly unfair to have certain voices consistently to the exclusion of others, and this is something to address that. #nycsc

Stairs: this is turning into a go-between, we need to go back to stack. #nycsc #ows

FA: (Trish) Eat this amendment (there may have been a hand gesture). A: rejected. #nycsc #ows

WoN: FA: we do a teach-in on classicism and sexism, b/c women have other obligations, some WGs only have 10-15 ppl. #nycsc #ows

@profsusurro That’s what I took from it. #nycsc #ows @blogdiva

A: Amendment is rejected as it was specifically designed to limit the participation of ppl that are not in working groups (?) #nycsc #ows

Nan: My friendly amendment is that you can take this proposal and shove it up your ass. #nycsc #ows

PoI: @Dwayne_wins says Trish forgot her placard (she might have thrown it at him before?); Trish says to stop bother her or she’ll shred him

Direct Action FA: let’s have a Spokes sign-in sheet and include it in the minutes. A: accepted? #nycsc #ows

part 3 of the proposal (for the record) #nycsc #ows

Stairs: Spokes, please discuss with your group and then let’s move to consensus. #nycsc #ows

Discussion of what stand-asides are and how they work into the consensus process. #nycsc #ows

(Someone explains that it’s like abstaining) #nycsc #ows

There are 6 stand-asides. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: we need to clarify whether ppl who spoked last meeting can spoke again this week to block. #nycsc #ows

Clarifying what a block is: moral/ethical/safety issue. #nycsc #ows

Trish is being generally disruptive. #nycsc #ows

A group of ppl just walked in and are banging drumsticks and are intent on disrupting everything. Trish is singing/screaming. #nycsc #ows

The proposers would now like to address the blockers. But Sage is speaking, so I’m not sure what’s up. #nycsc #ows

And a PoP: OK, the proposer has authorized Sage to speak, I guess. #nycsc #ows

OK, we’re going to hear the blocks. Sage says that will take longer. But that’s the process. #nycsc #ows

OK, it’s settled down, we’re back to process. #nycsc #ows

Proposer: It is time for new Spokes to step up, and other Spokes to step back. #nycsc #ows

WoN: this proposal is blind to the fact that marginalized communities do not have the luxury of attending meetings. #nycsc #ows

I am blocking because there is a lot of classicism, and because this proposal was undemocratically brought to us. #nycsc #ows

A: #SpokesCouncil is not constructed that way, the proposals are brought to the group, that’s how it is. #nycsc #ows

Next blocker agrees with the other block, feels like the proposal is about individual who wrote this has something against (unclear). #nycsc

She wants to address the Proposer personally. Ppl do not like that! #nycsc #ows

Proposer makes the point that this blocker has had the proposal since Friday, it was given to her personally. #nycsc #ows

We’re having a moment of silence, starting right now. #nycsc #ows

RT @shawncarrie: New twitter for Facilitation is @OWSFacilitation! Sorry I forgot to mention the name. @LibertySqGA @heratylaw @DiceyTro …

Block: 2 forms of democracy: WGs and this group (macrolevel), WGs should choose who they want speaking for them. #nycsc #ows

Proposer: My inclination is to go into a dialog, but that’s not appropriate for the format. #nycsc #ows

(He refers to the inequity of 1-person Working Groups) #nycsc #ows

Trish: An ethical block. Give this some thought. We have TP proposing this to spokes, which is not legitimate, it is not operational. #nycsc

Says this should go in front of #GA. She says #SpokesCouncil is not legitimate (x4) (x5). #nycsc #ows

PoI: Trish brings up an issue of bringing proposals to #SpokesCouncil but she does it all the time. #nycsc #ows

PoI: That block was not an ethical issue. #nycsc #ows

PoI: I was at first few #SpokesCouncil and TownPlanning was seated as a WG but Trish’s Working Group was not. #nycsc #ows

Trish is yelling that this is an illegitimate meeting. #nycsc #ows

PoI from Tech: I’m starting a new WG called the NYCGA Council Council, and it approves of this proposal! #nycsc #ows

Trish: Let me see your minutes! #nycsc #ows

@Siobhan99 No, it’s absolutely not OK. #nycsc #ows @dwayne_wins

PoI: Minutes: Women Occupying Nations was not approved as a caucus/WG. I was at that meeting. #nycsc #ows

PoI: we’re being asking to leave the space right now because it’s 10:30PM #nycsc #ows

We’re taking a vote for modified consensus. #nycsc #ows

If you are in favor of this proposal passing, please hold up your placard. #nycsc #ows

We think there are 36 in favor. Raise your placard if you are against. There are 4 against. We have 90%!!! Consensus? #nycsc #ows

Forty votes, 36 for, 4 against. That’s 90%. Nan and Ashley are saying that the votes were counted wrong, that it’s bullshit. #nycsc #ows

Stacktaker says there was a formal count that was repeatedly announced. The count stands as 36 in favor, 4 against. Consensus! #nycsc #ows

It’s hard to describe the jubilation. #nycsc #ows

Great night! A team member noted that I shld tone down my opinion abt the proposal on this account. I am imperfect, and I am not neutral…

… especially about that proposal b/c I wld’ve bounced if something wasn’t done abt the problem. But the comment is noted! …

Comments, criticism, etc, to @heratylaw. G’night everybody!

RT @nomadnewyork: @LibertySqGA3 There’s a party going on in my house.

RT @nonloc: @LibertySqGA3 congrats! And thanks so much for your hard work through all of this!

RT @DaliDama: FINALLY! WOOHOO! @LibertySqGA3: “Stacktaker-formal count, repeatedly announced, stands as 36 in favor, 4 against. Consensu …

RT @masvaranasi: @LibertySqGA3 well done good vote thanks for the 90% now enforce the proposal please

RT @OWSLibrary: @LibertySqGA3 WOOHOO!!!

@michaeldbirch What are you looking for? Maybe I can help. @ows_kitchen

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RT @OWScom: OWS IMPORTANT UPDATE: 60 Wall Street is CLOSED today.

RT @OccupyWallStNYC: At 1:30pm, #ImmigrantsOccupy-March Agnst Deportation/Detention & Wage Theft @ImmigrantsOWS

RT @OWScom: OWS INFO ALERT: Arraignments today for those arrested on Saturday begin at 1:00PM and NOT at 9:00 AM as had previously been …

@thats_bananasss OWScom says that 60 Wall is closed today @occupywallstnyc @occupywallst @owslibrary @joshharkinson

The #OccupyWallStreet Unconference at Pace today! Schedule: #ows #d18

RT @heratylaw: FREE! Today RT @LibertySqGA: The #OccupyWallStreet Unconference at Pace today! Schedule: #ows #d18

@OccupyNolaGA Hello! #solidarity #ows

Hey fam! #OWS General Assembly will start in about 5 minutes. I (@diceytroop) will hold down the livetweets til @heratylaw (<3) arrives.

OK, here we go! Liberty Square General Assembly, starting now. Follow here and @LibertySGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4. #nycga #ows

Stairs (facilitators) are currently reviewing hand signals. A quick review: #nycga #OWS

Stairs points out that if you issue a point of process or other hand signal aggressively, it can still be an interruption, so be calm pls.

Stairs reviews process for proposals. “We hear the proposal, then open a stack for clarifying questions, in case it wasn’t clear enough.”

Cont’d: “Once everyone’s clear on the proposal, we’ll open stack for Concerns. And then out of concerns arise friendly amendments…”

Cont’d: “…which would address your concerns and make you amenable to the proposal.” Then, we test for consensus… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: which point, “you can issue a block. A block is very serious; it’s a moral, ethical or safety concern for the movement.”#nycga

If there are unresolved blocks, proposer can move to a 9/10ths vote. “We don’t like to vote, b/c we want to be in consensus with everyone.”

OK, @Diceytroop bounced. Stairs is still going over preliminary stuff. #nycga #ows

@MarkMayhew Please don’t be so rude to @rosinarubylips. Thanks! @occupynolaga

OccupyYouth 540 President Street, realworks team filmmaking 430pm. December 22nd thursday #nycga #ows

Housing: Update: new proposal for metrocards for this week, it passed #GA previously but they’re waiting to distro cards… #nycga #ows

… once the funds are released from Accounting. There was a delay because of #D17. You need a slip from the point person of your WG #nycga

CQ: SWRWG is putting together a lecture on your constitutional rights, about getting arrested. We’re looking for space… (this isn’t a CQ)

Structure: If yr intersted in participating, please contact me, looking at structures of #GA and #SC. #nycga #ows

he didn’t give any contact info. #nycga #ows

Facilitation: mtgs Tue-Thu-Sat at 4pm at 60 Wall. #nycga #ows

They are also at 60 Wall everyday at 5pm to take incoming proposals. #nycga #ows

@PoweredByCats Dunno

3 agenda items tonight. 1: Movement Building: needs 5 minutes for this. #nycga #ows

The Zapatistas & University of the Earth in Chiapas are convening a conf at end of month… #nycga #ows

… with activists and intellectuals from around the world. #nycga #owsf

They invited #OWS to participate to present its varying views & build solidarity. #nycga #ows

Proposal: They have authored a message of solidarity and they want the #GA to approve it. You can read it at #nycga

Also notes that if there is additional commentary other than the statement, it will not be “official” #nycga #ows

Also, tonight’s proposals are at #nycga #ows

Concern: You should have printed the statement for all of us. Why didn’t you do that? #nycga #ows

A: this proposal, including the message, was posted on the website since Friday. #nycga #ows

CQ: When is the conf? A: Dec 30 – Jan 2nd. #nycga #ows

C: In light of #NDAA, what is the guvmnts opinion of the Zapatistas? A: We don’t know (and who cares?) #nycga #ows

(Someone is noting that the London #Occupy has been labeled a terrorist organization. ) #nycga #ows

(by the way, that wasn’t an emoticon at the end, my fingers are totes cold) #nycga #ows

C: The Dept of State designates certain groups as terrorists. Do they? #nycga #ows

PoI: The Zapatistas are not labeled as terrorists by the US #nycga #ows

Nellie from #OccupyHarlem. We are an ally of Justice in the Barrio. #nycga #ows

I fully support this statement, the CQ I have is: whether the US considers the Zs a terrorist organization (We just answered that …

… and thank you.) #nycga #ows

Stairs notes that they value your opinions but we’re at Clarifying Questions right now. #nycga #ows

Nathan: you mentioned that we might have time to unofficially speak on our behalf… #nycga #ows

A: Not of #OWS behalf, but we could share our individual experiences working with #OWS, but not speak on its behalf. #nycga #ows

There is a question of process… #nycga #ows

CQ: I think someone just asked where is was held. A: Chiapas. #nycga #ows

Opening stack for concerns. 1: I do not want to give approval to something you just read to us. v

… I’m afraid that you might edited it without us know. #nycga #ows

When ppl bring a proposal, we like to see it in writing. #nycga #ows

… She wants them to table it until they bring proof of what it was says. Stairs: this was actually a Friendly Amendment. #nycga #ows

Proposer: We’re not accepting that FA. #nycga #ows

(And the FA person just ran screaming…) #nycga #ows

C: (it wasn’t really a concern, maybe its a FA instead) #nycga #ows

Stairs: is there anyone w a Friendly Amendment? Yes: We do not marginialize the 99% or the 1%, we call ourselves the 100% #nycga #ows

Amendment was rejected b/c the statement was drafted by the Movement Building WG #nycga #ows

Another FA: Add exploitation of labor to the list of things that the corporations do. #nycga #ows

PoP: Wld like to remind you that if you want to write a proposal and make statement, go to a working group. #nycga #ows

… Ij’ve seen this happen before, and it is very difficult to re-write things in #GA. FA rejected. #nycga #ows

30 seconds to talk abmongst yourselves… #nycga #ows

(PS sorry for my typos!) #nycga #ows

(the person who ran screaming before is a Yelly person, she is now threatening the proposer if he doesn’t table the prop) #nycga #ows

@MarkMayhew Don’t cc us on your rude comments, then. Thank you. @rosinarubylips

Proposer has elected to not table the proposal. #nycga #ows

Temp check on moving to consensus looks good. Yelly person blocks. #nycga #ows

One block, w’re moving to modified consensus. (Note, this particular person seems to block everything in #SC and #GA) #nycga #ows

Someone notes that the block person should leave the movement if the proposal is passed (b/c a block is that serious) #nycga #ows

((people twinkle the concept of her leaving as a result of a block) #nycga #ows

The blocker’s block is not based on an ethical, moral, or safety issue – and someone just noted that!) #nycga #ows

Mic check! OK, let’s move forward with the process by allowing the Proposer to respond to the block. #nycga #ows

Proposer: the person doing the video, at no cost to us, needs to do it tonight. #nycga #ows

PoI: Prop needs to be voted on tonight. Not allow ppl who block every proposal every night to deter us. #nycga #ows

We’re moving to modified consensus. #nycga #ows

(discussion of method of counting for the purpose of modified consensus) #nycga #ows

(@diceytroop is schooling the crowd on stand-asides in modified consensus). #nycga #ows

@justinstoned Historically it has been Yelly, but roll whatever way you like! #nycga #ows

By a vote of 58 to 4, we have consensus! Statement passes. #nycga #ows

Announcement: Food being served at Trinity Church right now. #nycga #ows

(they’re recording the statement right now) #nycga #ows

@justinstoned Fuck yeah.

@justinstoned When?

Another proposal! Demands Working Group. want to adopt the following demands… #nycga #ows

They are demanding a jobs program to put 25million ppl to work. #nycga #ows

Program to be funded by taxing corporations and high-income ppl. #nycga #ows

@justinstoned I know when it started, and it was Yelly. But roll your own way. #nycga #ows

(also, proposal is at #nycga #ows

He’s reciting the working groups that support this. #nycga #ows

OWSenespanol: our WG endorsed this 3 weeks ago b/c the ppl need to be bailed out right now. #nycga #ows

Our govmnt is wreaking havoc right now (she discusses wars and the banking bailouts…) #nycga #ows

#OWS should adopt this demand as one of money to meet the needs of working ppl today. #nycga #ows

Proposer says he has many ppl to do presentations for this demand. But Stairs thankfully says that the proposal has been presented… #nycga

… and that we shld move to clarifying questions. #nycga #ows

Stairs: Since teh consensus process has been used to workshop this demand, let’s move the approval process forward. #nycga #ows

Clarifying questions? Q: Our WG (out of work WG) should… it’s not a clarifying question. #nycga #ows

CQ: This says its a proposal and not an official demand. A: Proposal until it is adopted by the #GA. #nycga #ows

(they are repeating the WGs who are in support of the demand) #nycga #ows

Most of the WG are part of #OWS, some are part of other occupies. #nycga #ows

4 more ppl on stack for clarifying questions. #nycga #ows

CQ: It’s good to see so many WGs supporting this, but many WGs are not here. Curious why this demand is not following… #nycga #ows

… the process of our communication cluster groups. #nycga #ows

(solutions cluster, sorry) #nycga #ows

A: this statement has been workshopped long before the Solutions Cluster started. #nycga #ows

CQ: I know you have the best interest of the unemployed at heart. Your process is frustrating to me. New ppl that are not here… #nycga

… representing other groups, you should be concerned about not frustrating them. Last time this was up for discussion… #nycga #ows

… a delegation came here and none were able to speak because the process did not allow them to speak. #nycga #ows

(He’s saopboxing about silencing ppl) #nycga #ows

CQ: 2 CQs. How is this in line w the fact that #OWS has consensed to not have any demands. #nycga #ows

2. And you’re empowering the government to give us job without specifying what types of jobs they are. #nycga #ows

A: It is not factually correct that the #GA consensed to demands. #nycga #ows

The statement of principals ends “Demands will follow…” #nycga #ows

A: And we did specify the industries that should have more jobs (incl education, etc0> #nycga #ows

CQ: If this is ignored, your demand says actions will follow, what kind of actions? A: There will be consequences… #nycga #ows

… and we’ll form our own political party. #nycga #ows (Note: Someone says that she is saying that on her own… #nycga #ows

… that is not part of the proposal or anything official.) #nycga #ows

CQ: WIll the proposal include a public works program that addresses the inclusion of all races? A: Yes. #nycga #ows

CQ: Can we specifically add an outreach program to go to marginalized communities suffering from high unemployment? A: yes. #nycga #ows

CQ: There is a lack of clarity about whether #GA ever consensed on not making demands. #nycga #ows

CQ: she wants this to be tabled until the “no demands” position is clarified. #nycga #ows

POI: We have shot down every request for demands that have ever come to #GA. #nycga #ows

CQ: It’s unclear whether we have consensed on moving forward with demands… additionally, we’re still working on… #nycga #ows

… our goals statement. Not appropriate to bring our demands before our goals. #nycga #ows

C; We’re well-regarded for many issues, including not capitulating to the standard model of making demands…. #nycga #ows

… making demands comes from a position of weakness and gives someone else the power. #nycga #ows

C: Really value the issue yr bringing to the table, unemployment is a form of economic oppression. #nycga #owsf

… When demands like this come to the table, we have a broader vision and what we can do for ourselves. #nycga #ows

For specific outcomes, work within the community to create those outcomes. #nycga #ows

Issuing a demand undermines the community organizations that function horizontally, like we do. #nycga #ows

Next on stack: this demand is excellent, this country needs jobs. But we are known worldwide as a group that does not make demands. #nycga

Proposer: Every1 shld remember this: #OWS is magnificaent. If we get mired in whether we shld have demands, more ppl will die. #nycga #ows

Ppl have been committing suicide b/c they cannot get work. If you want to get stuck in politics of #OWS, they will die. #nycga #ows

They count on ppl like us to get something done. I wld not be standing here if not for my faith in #OWS. But their blood is on our hands.

Stairs: we have hit our time limit, should we allow more time? #nycga #ows

Brookfield security is listening intently to the #GA discussion of emplopyment/unemployment. #nycga #ows

C: I’m very concerned. #OWS is our only hope. What I’m hearing is that this process seems to be breaking down into bureaucracy. #nycga #ows

Let us grow this movmnt by reaching out to all these unemployed ppl for demand for jobs. #nycga #ows

C: If idea is to demand jobs from the corporatocracy, then I’m concerned with this proposal. #nycga #ows

C: Justin made a brief comment, but I could not hear it. #nycga #ows

C: OCncerned that refusal to make demands will cause #OWS to lose momentum. #nycga #ows

FA: to create 25 million new environmentally- and socially-responsible jobs. #nycga #ows

Accepted! #nycga #ows

C: I’ll be brief, main dividing point is one word: demands. Demands are fine w me, but what about “call for” instead of “demand”? #nycga

(Ed: I like it) #nycga #ows

Proposer does not accept it. #nycga #ows

Proposer wants time to respond to all of the concerns. “This movement is already making demands. LA, Chi, ATL, DC has made demands…”

“Here is Manhattan, we need to start making demands.” #nycga #ows

C: There is a WG working on jcrafting our visions & goals. If we come out with a demand before our goals, we’re going to look silly. #nycga

And my specific concern is that we’re asking “daddy government” to please please give us jobs. #nycga #ows

We need to empower ourselves to create jobs, like we did with our 2 new worker co-ops. #nycga #ows

(Announcement: Kitchen is still at Trinity but they’re leaving at 930pm if nobody goes over there). #nycga #ows

Someone makes note that Facilitator’s put a time limit so we have time to get to a vote. Let’s take a vote already! #nycga #ows

Stairs: we don’t control that, the group consenses on whether to take more time. #nycga #ows

@ScotsIrish2 I am imperfect, and it is cold. I cannot even feel my fingertips! #nycga #ows

(Once again, please excuse my typos! I am imperfect.) #nycga #ows

Temp check: There are a considerable number of blocks. 11+ blocks. Stairs: looks like its not going to be consensus. #nycga #ows

Proposer wants a full count, even tho it’s really not numerically possible to overcome the blocks through modified consensus. #nycga #ows

A lot of the ppl who are proposing this are getting angry. #nycga #ows

There are 54 ppl here, and at least 11 blocks. Proposer is upset. #nycga #ows

This proposal has not passed. Proposer upset, insists on a count of all the ppl FOR the proposal. This proposal has not passed. #nycga #ows

Thanks Nathan for counting! #nycga #ows

An item was added to the agenda. Now there are 2 left. We’re all jumping and dancing to warm up. #nycga #ows

Facilitation: 2 parts: 1. Move #G indoors on a trial basis; 2. payment for that space. #nycga #ows

Ppl jumping up and down want to go straight to vote! Guess what? The person who blocks EVERYTHING doesn’t want it to go to a vote. #nycga

CQ: how much money do we have? #nycga #ows

CQ: When does it start? A: Tues! and then Thurs. Trial basis only. #nycga #ows

CQ: There should have been metrocards provided for ppl who cannot walk over there. #nycga #ows

(Ed: although its not far from #Zuccotti) #nycga #ows

A: that proposal was never brought forth. #nycga #ows

No concerns. #nycga #ows

FA: Accounting is offering their $100 daily allowance to purchase Metrocards for ppl. #nycga #ows

Point of Information!: Ppl do not get metrocards to come to #GA now, they shldn’t get Metrocards to go to #GA cpl blocks away. #nycga #ows

Design offers to create flyers etc so ppl know where #GA is if this passes. #nycga #ows

Nan insists on metrocards so ppl don’t have to walk in the cold. #nycga #ows

Temp check: most positive uptwinkles ever. #nycga #ows

Someone just made the point that she comes from Brooklyn to #Zuccotti. Nan said she’s privileged and then physically attacked her. #nycga

Nan is now screaming that she is going to beat the shit out of her. (Ed: If Nan doesn’t get removed for this, then this is crazynuts) #nycga

Unbelievable. #nycga #ows

Nan is blocking b/c homeless ppl cannot walk that far. It might be cold on Tues. Don’t have access to Metrocards. #nycga #ows

PoI ( I was going to say this): The Homeless Caucus already gives out unlimited weekly metrocards to these ppl. #nycga #ows

Stairs: modified consensus. 2 ppl against the proposal. Nan and someone else. Proposal passed! #nycga #ows

Heywood asks for reimbursement for someone who opened their home to us after the raid and there was some damage. #nycga #ows

She didn’t charge #ows for any of it. But stuff got damaged. 2 broken windows and a doorframe. #nycga #ows

RT @DiceyTroop: Nan blocked a proposal to move GA to 56 Walker for a trial period, but we got modified consensus! GA IS MOVING INDOORS E …

CQ: how many apartments did she offer (she has an apartment complex)? A: Not sure. #nycga #ows

She housed 40-60 ppl for about 3 weeks. #nycga #ows

(Surprise! Nan is against the proposal!) #nycga #ows

(Apparently a sink was damaged and it caused some water damage to the apartment downstairs. #nycga #ows

CQ: Do we know who caused the damage? #nycga #ows

A: I don’t know for sure. I have heard speculation but I’m not comfortable saying who. #nycga #ows

Concern: Says the electricity bill is inaccurate. A: I was there, there was heat & electricity. #nycga #ows

Friendly amendment: We shld raise some funds for this person b/c then maybe more ppl would be welcoming to su. #nycga #ows

Proposer: I will bring it up to her. #nycga #ows

FA: we should give her more. A: I’m not sure she’ll even take it. But I love the sentiment of it. #nycga #ows

Nan has “an ethical problem” with paying her for heating, wants to see the bill. #nycga #ows

Taking temp check: No blocks: consensus! #nycga #ows

(Heywood says his finger is so cold his phone doesn’t register it.) #nycga #ows

Last proposal: #OccupytheHolidays We wld like to do a toy drive for some of the kinds who have no toys! #nycga #ows

Asking for $3K for toys and food to bring to Bronx, Harlem, (and one other place). #nycga #ows

In Brooklyn at Trinity Lutheran: Bronx: Prospect Family Shelter; Barrio: 104th & Park. #nycga #ows

Bronx: 156 Street & Kelly; Barrio: 104st & Park; Brooklyn: 45th St & 4th Ave. #nycga #ows

Guy is yelling about being atheist. Mic check! Toys have no religious affiliation. #nycga #ows

Sorry, but this guys is yelling really loud and I can’t hear. #nycga #ows

Wait a minute, why didn’t Brookfield Security deal with that guy, why was it #OWS who had to deal with him? #nycga #ows

concern: Toys shld be stuff the kids want. A: They will be good toys, not shitty toys! #nycga #ows

C: no toys with lead. A: OK, we are not trying tokill the kids! #nycga #ows

C: Sorry to be a grinch, but this is a political movement, ppl donated to see it succeed. We don’t know how much more $… #nycga #ows

… is going to come in. #nycga #ows

That’s totally valid! I was part of Outreach and this idea came from that. Flyers don’t work. This project shows… #nycga #ows

… support and will lead to more solidarity. This is a nice first step. #nycga #ows

(“eat the rich, have a toy!”) #nycga #ows

Concern: this shldn’t be called a Christmas project; A: OK, happy holidays it is! #nycga #ows

#OccupytheHolidays #eattherich #haveatoy #nycga #ows

Concern: will the kids know that this is from #OWS or will it be random? A: We’re working with a few other organizations & trust them #nycga

Instead of buying from big shops, we’ll buy from local stores. #nycga #ows

COncern: this just feeds into the consumerist culture, and that’s not #OWS. #nycga #ows

A: Kids don’t understand consumer culture, they just need toys. I’m trying to respect what the members of the community have told me. #nycga

A line of about 12 cop cars with their lights on just went by. Oh shit! They found out we’re giving away toys! #nycga #ows

Friendly amendments: Is there any way to teach them about giving and something to downplay the consumerist stuff? #nycga

A: Lets talk later. #nycga #ows

FA: Offer to have ppl make things or donate things. #nycga #ows A: Yes!

FA: can some of the money go to help ppl pay to make stuff for this drive? (Answer unclear) #nycga #ows

Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows

FA: You should get #OccupytheYouth to get involved with this. Accepted! Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows

We’re out of time and are going straight to consensus. ANy blocks? No! Consensus! Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows

(there are about 7 stand-asides) Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows

Restate: We allot $3K for food and toys to give away on Dec 23, anyone who wants to get involved, make something, yr welcome to! #nycga #ows

(No sweatshop toys!) #nycga #ows

Chants of eat the rich, get a toy! #nycga #ows

We did a bunch of stuff tonight, feel good about yourselves! Adjourned! G’night folks! #nycga #ows

@ZoeTreuer $1000

@elkinginnetti Read it again as an exhortation that the person blocking shld leave the mvmnt.

… the shit out of her, but apparently it was more of an “in yr face” thing. @mikedelic: @LibertySqGA2 physically attacked her?

Correction: it looked like a physical attack & Nan was dragged screaming abt beating… @mikedelic: @LibertySqGA2 physically attacked her?

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RT @heratylaw: Santa up and over! Re-occupy! #d17 #ows

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OK, GA is starting in Zuccotti Park. I’m going to LT as long as it goes. #nycga #ows

I will switch to @LibertySqGA, @LibertySqGA2 and @LibertySqGA3 as needed. #nycga #ows

We’re working out facilitation. Someone announced that there was vandalism during the march today. “This is unacceptable.” #nycga #ows

Daniel and Stefano will be “Stairs” tonight (facilitation). #nycga #ows

There’s no one here from Minutes. Hmm. Sounds like we’re going to make do with abbreviated minutes on paper. #nycga #ows

Working group reportbacks. Housing! Review of #d6. “We took over a building and gave it to this family!” Looking successful, keeping it.

Structure WG is reforming! Next, John. “I’m reading a text message I just got. #OWS dinner is now being served at 56 Walker.” (Ugh.) #nycga

Ted: “A bunch of awesome occupiers went down to DC to show support for #BradleyManning; an #occupier interrupted the proceedings to…”

Cont’d: “…state that he was a hero.” Also, Ted is working to organize an Open Source overtaking of the 2012 Ball Drop. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We’re going to do this transparently and legally and want autonomous actions too, but want folks to see us live in 2012.” #nycga

CQ: “How many ppl went down for Bradley Manning? Did he see you in courtroom?” A: “30 went down; court room was small.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “It’s an illegitimate trial; there’s a biased judge who is denying valid witnesses.” “We wouldn’t be here if not for him.” #nycga

Next, movement groups have been getting together to “create a clearing house where folks are coordinating mass statements.” #nycga #ows

OK, we’re moving to the agenda. There’s the Constitution Working Group again, then the D6 Action Team, then the 3rd item is from OccupyFarms

…4th, Housing proposal, 5th, truck drivers who lost work. There’s more. Emergency proposals will be heard first.

Sorry for the silence; I made an emergency proposal to end GA and it didn’t reach modified consensus. #nycga #ows

Next Emergency proposal deals with some property damage that supposedly happened today during the march. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “Do people want to hear proposal now, or fit it somewhere into the agenda?” #nycga #ows

The prop is to state that we’ll take responsibility for vandalism that occurs during our marches, if we agree #OWS is responsible. #nycga

CQ: “How are you going to determine whether we’re responsible or not?” Says it’s wishy-washy and could be used against us. #nycga

A: “It happened as #OWS was walking by.” They think they know who it is. “We’re a peaceful protest; we don’t need that.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “Are you saying take responsibility?” A: “Only if it’s determined that we are responsible.” #nycga #ows

Someone is concerned that if we are wrong about who did it, we could get someone in trouble. #nycga #ows

Someone else’s concern: “Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law,” skeptical it was us. #nycga #ows

A: “The point of this is just to send a message that we care, *if* this was our fault.” #nycga #ows

Concern: “I’m highly concerned about doing anything until we view the security footage, which I’m sure exists.” #nycga #ows

Bobby’s concern: “Starbucks is a violent corporation,” based on business practices. Feels property destruction is not violence. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We should let sleeping dogs lie; we don’t want to help the police to use this against us.” #nycga #ows

A: “This is to distance us from this event.” Says throwing a brick is violent, unlike breaking a lock on a foreclosed home. #nycga #ows

Ted accepts the friendly amendment that we could make it a general statement we don’t condone violent action. #nycga #ows

Next FA: “Write a message that condemns violent action and condones personal responsibility, draft tonight, don’t point to speculation..”

Cont’d: “…re this particular incident.” #nycga #ows

RT @sugarmaple77200: @LibertySqGA accident ??? someone sat down too heavily in a window

Language: “We believe in corporate responsibility and individual responsibility and do not condone violence.” #nycga #ows

Next, “we shouldn’t compose any language at all until we talk to the lawyers.” Ted agrees. #nycga #ows

Oh, the amender wants to table the proposal and have Ted bring the language written with help of lawyers back to GA. #nycga #ows

Ted would like to make the statement to Legal, then ask them what they think before publicly releasing it. #nycga #ows

That sates that FA, but Bobby reiterates that he feels that GA should have final say after Legal reviews the text. #nycga #ows

A: “To address those concerns, if Legal doesn’t have problems, can we release it? Otherwise bring it back to GA.” #nycga #ows

OK, moved to blocks. Bobby is blocking b/c he knows ppl who have been put away for property destruction as “terrorist act”, doesn’t…

Cont’d: …want movement to put ppl in that position by undermining them. #nycga #ows

OK, so Ted is agreeing to draft a proposal, bring it to GA after running by Legal. #nycga #ows

So now we’re consenting to create a group to create language, then run it by legal; if they don’t change it they don’t hv to bring to GA.

OK, we’re now checking for blocks. Someone from Florida says “please be very careful about what you start taking responsibility for.” #nycga

So, I blocked at the last second and pointed out that this stuff is really tricky and has taken weeks to be resolved in other cities. #nycga

Ted took my language as a FA: “#OWS does not throw bricks through windows; that’s not how we roll.” #nycga #ows

Bobby is still going to block because this could potentially restrict our ability to stand in solidarity in the future. #nycga #ows

“This is a bigger question.” Ted: “I still think we can say #OWS does not throw bricks through windows,” w/o undermining how we…

Cont’d: ..feel about specific incidents where culpability is in question. #nycga #ows

Bobby and Ted work it out — the language will include some other language and also provoke a future discussion. #nycga #ows

Next up, Bob from Constitution WG. “This proposal consists of 7 petitions for redress of grievances.” #nycga #ows

“The 1st amendment guarantees freedom of worship, press, assembly, but also it has an accountability clause.” Last 10 words. #nycga

Cont’d: “The government has been violating provisions of the Constitution.” W/ scholars’ help, they have 7 petitions for redress. #nycga

It asks them to respond w/in 40 days, while rebutting the legal and factual statements w/in and comply w/ instructions. #nycga #ows

“Over 2 weeks ago, we presented this proposal at a GA for the purpose of allowing a 1-week review.” Distrod 1000+ copies. #nycga #ows

So, Bob and his WG want us to endorse these petitions so they can get 9 million signatures, which is a “magic number” for some reason.#nycga

CQ: “I’m concerned that what you’re asking us to do is to approve this entire 30 pages as a whole.” Wants to divide question. #nycga #ows

Bob says that we’re moving forward 1 by 1 if we’d like. Someone asks him if ppl’s reactions last time, and their concerns w/ his other…

…sites, including accusing Obama of lying about his birth, and w/ them not using #OWS process, changed his approach or proposal. #nycga

Bob: “My wife and I were ready to vote for Obama until we read the decision of Judge [Surik?], relating to the words “natural born”…”

Daniel PoPs him, but he wants to finish. “This citizen had legitimate concern b/c his research, right or wrong, meant both that you…”

Cont’d: “…had to be born a citizen and on US soil. Obama asked to dismiss the case because…” Dan PoPs again. #nycga #ows

He’s answering the question. “The proposal hasn’t changed b/c concerns about past work outside of #OWS aren’t part of the proposal.” #nycga

Someone else asks the same question. “No, it hasn’t. The concerns aren’t political concerns; they’re legal concerns about legality.” #nycga

PoP: “This crowd is too small to have any consensus.” Asks for a temp check on whether the crowd is too small. #nycga #ows

Daniel says a few ppl say it’s too small; points that if it’s too small for this proposal, it’s too small for any. #nycga #ows

Now they’re formally temp-checking on whether we should continue. It got confusing but I think we’re continuing. #nycga #ows

OK, Stairs are straw polling for tabling for a later/larger GA. We don’t have consensus, so it’s going to continue. #nycga #ows

Bob: “Could I just hear, one after the other, what the issues are?” Someone else wants a 90% modified consensus vote. #nycga #ows

Next CQ: “I’m very cold, and getting very worn out, and I’ve been looking at a # of suggestions of how to get our constitution back.” #nycga

Cont’d: “I’m very much in favor of many of the proposals hv been made. Haven’t looked at this yet, but we should be looking at many things.”

Cont’d: “I don’t think we can do justice to this tonight.” Bob is upset because he has made such an effort to come down. #nycga #ows

Bob: “We’ve posted these on! We’ve held teach-ins! What else can we do?” #nycga #ows

Bob: “Each one of these has the same format,” laying down specific violations and then seeking specific remedies. #nycga #ows

He repeats the earlier explanation and insists “there’s no danger to the movement.” “We’ve had the constitution WG here; we agreed on…”

Cont’d: “…the issues.” “It’s non-political; everybody should vote, everybody should do due diligence.” #nycga #ows

We’re out of the allocated time for this proposal, so Stairs is temp-checking adding more time. Someone blocks, hahah. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “It’s a problem w/ the GA structurally that coming to consensus on a really large issue, if the item can’t be introduced and…”

Cont’d: “…decided upon in the same night,” new people come to the next time and we have a hard time getting clarity. #nycga #ows

Bobby raises a PoP, in concern w/ Stairs’ editorial comments. Other stairs: “We didn’t have consensus on giving more time ATM.” #nycga #ows

Stairs now temp-checking tabling the proposal. Next PoP: “I heard from this fellow who I don’t know who has raised these issues last…”

Cont’d: “…time. I’ll tell you where I’m at; I want to defend…” Stairs notes we’re discussing whether to give this more time. #nycga #ows

Bob is mad at us. “So, Occupy Wall Street is against the Constitution.” No, we say. #nycga #ows

It’s tabled. Next proposal: 702 Vermont / the #D6 house! #nycga #ows

702VT: “On 12/6, #OWS, working in conjunction w/ local grassroots community organizations began working w/ a family to occupy…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…an illegally-foreclosed house and to turn it into a new home.” Many are defending it. “In order to remain, we need materials…”

Cont’d: “…to make it more sustainable.” Points out we are the flagship occupation and set tone for movement. #nycga #ows

“We request the GA make this emblematic of the next phase: to take it back, and make banks pay big time.” No heat, water, kitchen, showers.

“Generally, a few ppl fronted a # of costs. This proposal includes a reimbursement of those costs.” Food, sleeping materials, sanitation…

“We’re asking for consensus on this budget proposal.” The total is $9576.30. The details of the proposal are on #nycga #ows

Essentially it’s for sustaining the occupiers w/ heat, electricity, food, and then supplies for next phase of cleanup/rehab. #nycga #ows

Old expenses make up about $5k, things ppl put down ahead of time that they’d like reimbursement for. #nycga #ows

Stacking CQs. CQ: “Tuesday or Thursday at GA, a woman came from Sanitation and asked for her own money. Is that part of this?” #nycga #ows

A: “Jordan from Sanitation got money for sanitation; that’s not included in this.” They’re helping clean other buildings as well. #nycga#ows

Next CQ: “Is this coming from Sanitation, DA, or O4O?” A: “It’s coming from the #D6 team that worked with DA on this action.” #nycga #ows

CQ again: “I do sort of question the legitimacy of 25 of us making this decision, but we should pass it. They’re doing great work.”#nycga

CQ: “Can we turn the electricity on?” A: “Working on ways to hook up with ConEd w/ donated help, also $ for bike generator in here.” #nycga

CQ: “You started answering about using alternative techniques for power,” are they thinking about solar, other stuff? #nycga #ows

A: “That’s part of our plan; it’s a flagship building” and family is totally down for ways to make it radically sustainable. #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “We delayed for awhile due to legal issues, but it looks like we may actually really be given this house.” Can do a lot! #nycga

@chickenvideo Try

@OccupyWallSt it’s at liberty squaaaare

CQ: “Will you need more later?” A: “There’s about 14 point ppl – not even “ppl involved,” and we’re working on other ways to get $.” #nycga

Someone proposes we make a new We Are the World and do “some sort of fundraiser telecast on livestream” to get folks to support this! #nycga

OK, no more CQs; hearing Concerns. No concerns. “When there’s no concerns, we sort of assume we’ve come to consensus.” Restating proposal.

“Prop is to allocate funds for 702 Vermont, part of a national action. The amount being allocated for immediate needs and reimbursement…”

Cont’d: “…for this house, & also to be used for future home occupations, is $9k [whatever I said before. -Ed.]” Any blocks? No! Consensus!

Stairs: “In 10 minutes! Give yourselves a hand.” OK, next proposal is for Housing Group. “It’s time-sensitive; need to know by midnight.”

We’ve consensed on hearing Housing next. After surveying other proposers, we’ve also got Occupy Farms and Visions and Goals. #nycga #ows

Housing! “It’s really simple; the Housing WG is seeking funding to continue to subsidize our stay at SPSA and Park Slope (the churches).”

Cont’d: “They’re housing an average of 100 ppl a night, and we want to continue this for the next 2 weeks.” Asking for $5,200 for 2 wks.

Cont’d: “Also, I’d like to add that housing has secured a structure for long-term housing that won’t require being paid for.” #nycga #ows

But it won’t be available immediately. Still, great news! “The way things are right now, this will be the last time we make this proposal.”

The new structure needs some work done, but it’s not “totally extensive” and should be done in the next few weeks. #nycga #ows

CQ: “What’s the $ being spent on?” A: “$300 at SPSA, $100 at Park Slope.” Being used to subsidize utilities at those churches. #nycga #ows

CQ: Someone asks for paperwork, just b/c others always get asked for the same details. Wants names at churches. #nycga #ows

A doesn’t know the names of the ppl in churches, b/c he wasn’t in that meeting. He’s just bringing the proposal. #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “The paperwork: Finance has that info. I went to try to get it but no one was in the Finance area.” Due to actions today. #nycga

@OccupyMom That’s b/c #GA is at #zuccotti, not 60 Wall. @occupywallst

CQ: “Is there any contingency plan you have in case the new structure has not come in w/in these 2 weeks?” #nycga #ows

A: “We are running multiple options; we have a big long list of places that need to be checked out and looked into.” #nycga #ows

@OccupyMom @occupywallst we actually are at liberty square. <3

OK, no more CQs. Any concerns? One more question: “How many staying at each church?” 100 capacity at SPCA; 30 at Pk Slope. #nycga #ows

No concerns; any blocks? “I’d block anyone blocking this proposal,” someone says. No blocks! Consensus! #nycga #ows

Visions and Goals were next but b/c they are great humanitarians, they will pass their revision out and get feedback on sidebar. #nycga #ows

Next, OccupyFarms! Wilson is an environmentalist and biologist. “I’ve been working on small farms for years and I’ve seen how wonderful…”

Cont’d: “…and important it is to be connected to where your food comes from.” If #OWS is addressing power imbalances, Wall Street…

Cont’d: …is one, but agricultural industries are also vastly powerful. “What OccupyFarms is doing – 2 wks ago, this was an idea…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…now we have 9 farms that are ready to go.” He’s sunk a lot of $ into this but “I don’t care; this is a good direction for the..”

Cont’d: “…movement to go in.” Some are in NY, MA, VT, CT, NJ, and VA? #nycga #ows

“So, what we’re asking is $3000 to fund 24 round-trips thru winter to bring people up and get us moving.” #nycga #ows

“I work on a farm in Westchester, 15acres, we’re able to feed 400 people.” Plus more. OccupyFarms’ farm is 56 acres. #nycga #ows

“The only reason we’re having issues is because we lack the $ to get the ball rolling.” #nycga #ows

“Down the road, this could be a revenue-generator for the farm; the potential is incredible. If we want to build a sustainable future..”

Cont’d: “…this is the direction to go in.” Total: $3000 for gas and food for outreach efforts in the next few months. #nycga #ows

“We have most of these ppl already, and I’ve been doing a lot of outreach; we just need funds to start doing more.” #nycga #ows

“So, that’d be $3000 for food and gas to build relationships and bring ppl up to the farms.” #nycga #ows

“People are really, truly trying to get behind us. This is just to get the ball rolling and to come back later for more $ once we…”

Cont’d: “…have a clear budget.” Opening stack for clarifying questions. #nycga #ows

Corey’s CQ: “I’m super-eager for this to happen, and I really want it to. But a few days ago, there was a $15k request that got denied..”

Cont’d: “…because there was ambiguity and concern about costs like insurance” and idea that GA funds can’t lead to profit. #nycga #ows

A: “We’ve been having a lot of discussion about that, so that’s why this proposal is only for transportation costs. We haven’t…”

Cont’d: “…been able to explore these ideas and solidify a plan.” #nycga #ows

CQ asks about the other farms. “Yes, 1 thing this $ would be used for, to get other farms involved in the conversation.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “Are you aware of co-operative spin-off efforts being made to create co-operative businesses?” A: “No, we’ll hv to check” #nycga #ows

CQ: “Would you be using pesticides or organics?” A: He’s not sure, but assumes organic would fit better within our tradition. #nycga #ows

CQ: “So, food would come back later? We’re purchasing stake in the farms, yes?” A: “Yes.” #nycga #ows

And that brings us to concerns. C: “So, we’re getting involved w/ these entities. Let’s say you come back and ask for equipment, seed…”

Cont’d: “…fertilizer, and we make that investment, and at some point we lost access to the farm.” Foreclosure, family has change of heart.

Cont’d: “How do we know we won’t lose the money?” A: “That’s one reason we are just getting these initial, exploratory costs.” #nycga #ows

A agrees that any heavy equipment or investment would need to hammered out in fine detail. #nycga #ows

Someone speaks out that the family has a fall-back plan. “That makes me feel better, but I want some guarantee…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…that we’re going to get $ back, or produce.” Not pertinent to this specific request bt anything specific should be in writing.

PoI: “The working group isn’t going to be about making any specific investments- it’ll be about outreach and movement building.” #nycga

(That being a change, or refinement, in focus.) #nycga #ows

CQ: “As far as housing, where will you house ppl?” A: “We’ve been building some structures; some farms already have housing and can…”

Cont’d: “…do an exchange.” Says in the 2 weeks he’s been up there, rejuvenative effects of new energy are apparent. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “As we build, we should be able to have a steady rotation of movement folks” through the farms. #nycga #ows

CQ: “How many occupiers do you anticipate needing at a time?” A: “Well, not occupiers per say, but I’ve known people who have farmed…”

Cont’d: “…organically and exceptionally managed 5 acres alone,” if everyone works 15 hours a week we can farm large amnt of land/food.

Next C: “What you’re asking for is still for a business, and legally, OWS cannot do that.” A: “No, we’re asking for $ for transportation…”

Cont’d: “…and food, to facilitate relationships between occupiers, farms, and between the farms.” #nycga #ows

Also, he wants them to have something in the city, and is worried about future expenses cropping up. #nycga #ows

A: “I do understand the need to do things locally in the city – absolutely. The local limits are 240 miles, and this place is 150 away.”

Another A: “And we encourage all small farms in the city, and are trying to do as much outreach as we can.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “It just so happens that this family reached out to us.” “We just want enough $ to plant this seed and let folks move forward.”

Jay’s FA: “On Monday, the NYPD are going to release some army tents that were to be used here. There are 12 of them. We have no place…”

Cont’d: “…to put them better than a farm.” Asks we offer a portion of those to help farms better develop. #nycga #ows

Stairs notes that he doesn’t know if there is a prior allocation; we don’t think there is and will make this contingent on availability.

Proposers are adding a request for 4 of the large tents, if theyre not already allocated for other use. FA: reimburse past $300. #nycga #ows

Proposers accept that. FA: “Please work w/ co-op group to try to integrate into their efforts!” Accepted. #nycga #ows

FA: “As you proceed to investigate potential relationships, please keep formal agreements in mind.” X for X. “Not nebulous; in writing.”

Stairs: “Before taking consensus, I’d like to restate. $3300, including prior expenses, and future expenses for gas, food, transporation…”

Cont’d: “…for the purpose of bldg relationships, w/ commitment to reach out to cooperative, & secure contracts before future investment.”

Any blocks? 1 block. Stairs asks it be stated. “We do a lot of things in a hurry. I would like this issue to be tabled to make sure…”

Cont’d: “…we can legally do this or not before moving forward. We have a tendency to go for everything in a hurry and then may regret it.”

He wants to make sure this is legally permissible. Stairs asks if he can be assuaged. “Yes, bring us a specialist.” #nycga #ows

Someone asks if he means a lawyer; yes, he wants one brought here. We’re trying to explain that the question of GA’s investment isn’t…

…at issue here. He holds his block, so we’re moving to modified consensus. People opposed? 1 against. “We have modified consensus!” #nycga

“That’s our last proposal, right?” one Stairs asks the other, almost disbelievingly. “Yeah.” #nycga #ows

Someone reminds us that the PACE UNCONFERENCE IS TOMORROW! #nycga #ows

Stairs: “I’d like to acknowledge that GA is essentially adjourned!” But Daniel reminds us to look at and feedback on Visions&Goals’ thing.

“Thank you!” That’s it fam! Questions, concerns, hit me up at @diceytroop #nycga #ows

2/11/2012: OWS – Finance Transparency from Accountability & Transparency and GA working groups

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After being in New York for a week now, it has become abundantly clear that there is some activity being performed in the OWS-NYCGA finance that is not transparent. Not only is it not transparent, but has been asked about ongoing since Oct. 2011 which is evident by being carried in a local newspaper:

I have posted any information I received through various “other sources” to the
finance working group and also to the accountability and transparency working group
on There you will find a stream of discussions regarding this and
other finance related issues. For over a week, I and others, have been trying to
decipher exactly how much has come in (donations) and exactly what has been paid out
(expenses). Although we have tried numerous ways to get this information none or very
little has been offered. You will see that what is posted does not add up and is very
much behind (going to end of Dec. only).
After numerous attempts to meet with finance in order to help facilitate getting the
books in order, I and others have been discredited or brushed off as “trouble makers”.
This has been a diversion in my opinion so that ‘they’ can continue in secrecy as they
have been doing for the past 3 months.
In light of this resistance to open and transparent dealings, and to avoid any further
questionable activity I am proposing the following for consideration:
● All bank accounts be frozen immediately.
● OWS is set up as its own Non-Profit 501C3 in NY State. Or vet a new partner.
● Stop using and paying Alliance for Global Justice and paying 7% immediately
● Set up a new (or get control of) the We Pay account
● Have new bank accounts opened in a Credit Union or Local banking facility.
● All current members of finance be replaced with at least 3 but recommend 5 new
people most of whom should have finance experience. Back ground checks done
before giving access.
● Once the bookkeeping is done an accountant should be hired to prepare and audit
the books for tax purposes. This person would have access to the accounting
for easy and to reduce costs moving forward.


Contact Person: Janet Wilson
Working Group(if applicable): Accountability & Transparency and GA working Group
Contact Email:

2/11/2012: Call for OWS Mass Action Against Suppression of the Occupy Movement (Travis M.)

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Contact Email:

This is a proposal for the General Assembly of Occupy Wall Street to support A Call for Mass Action Against the Suppression of the Occupy Movement (online at )  AND the day of Mass Action on February 28th , a first step in response to this call organized by the Ad Hoc Committee Against the Suppression of the Occupy Movement that came together around this call. As part of this support individuals and working groups in support of this are encouraged to utilize all their resources to creatively join in answering this call and are invited to come to the ad hoc committee meetings.
This is undertaken with the hope to address the suppression and repression in its many forms, including police violence, media blackout, embedded agents, etc.
February 28th will be a non-violent peaceful protest, aiming to reflect the vision of the call for mass action, quoted below. Specifically, the plan for mass action on Tuesday February 28th beginning in Union Square in New York City is:
4 pm—Gather
5 pm—Rally
6 pm—March
The theme of the rally which may include voices from various legal organizations, unions, working groups, GAs, community groups, people of conscience and cultural performances will be:
Stand with the Occupy Movement!
No Rubber Bullets, No Beatings,
No Tear Gas, No Mass Arrests,
Don’t Suppress OWS!
The ad-hoc committee against the suppression of occupy will make every effort to project a positive message to the media, in particular the message of the day being “Stand with the Occupy Movement” with protesters expressing through signs and posters and their voices, “I support occupy because…” and “I Occupy because…” . The committee will encourage all those who take up the February 28th action to project, through many voices and creative expressions the message of the call for mass action and their support for occupy, positively to the media.  General Assemblies and people everywhere around the country will be encouraged to make plans to join in F28.
A Call for Mass Action Against the Suppression of the Occupy Movement, says in part:
“As a first step in the necessary response, there must be a massive
Political mobilization on a day, or days, very soon to say NO! to this
attempt to suppress thought and expression with brutality and
violence. This mobilization should most of all be in New York, where
this movement started… but it should at the same time be powerfully
echoed all around the country and yes, around the world”
“This is a call for massive demonstrations—soon—carried out in public
spaces where they can have maximum impact and exposure and where the
authorities cannot pen in, suppress, and otherwise attempt to
marginalize these demonstrations…”
“These demonstrations must be large enough to show clearly that people
will not tolerate that which is intolerable… that people will not
adjust to that which is so manifestly unjust. Such demonstrations,
along with the efforts to reach out and build them, can draw many more
people from passive sympathy into active support and can awaken and
inspire even millions more who have not yet been reached. Such
demonstrations can powerfully answer the attempt by “the 1%” to crush
and/or derail this broad movement. Thousands and thousands in the
streets, acting together, can seize new initiative and change the
whole political equation. The urgent questions raised by Occupy—and
other urgent questions that have yet to be raised in this movement—can
once more reverberate, and more powerfully than before.
The repression of the Occupy movement must not stand. Act.”
Contact Person: Travis M.

OWS stand in solidarity with Resist the RNC!

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  • This Proposal is just to have OWS stand in solidarity with Resist the RNC!. Resist the RNC is  setting up the logistical foundation, like marches,medical, housing and etc. We have listed  Occupations and organizations that allready endorse  us but would like the solidarity from OWS as well.
  • Resist the RNC  is not affiliated with any political party, including the Democrats, and standsin solidarity with the planned protests at the DNC in Charlotte. Both parties are intricately tied to corporate rule, war, economic injustice, and profess freedom and democracy but crack down on dissent.
  • Our dreams don’t fit in ballot boxes. The entire system in which we’re currently living is rooted in greed and power, and keeps us from realizing our full potential. The pursuit of wealth has taken over our entire way of life and has done so at the expense of humanity and the earth. Exploitation and oppression have been stitched into the fabric of our society, but we have learned from the Arab uprisings, the Occupy movement, and the many struggles for justice and liberation around the world.
    So we echo their voices: Another world is possible and on a quiet day you can hear her breathing. We hear her, we hear you, and will be here to assist in coordinating your involvement in resisting the RNC.
  • Below is a list of current endorsers!

Proposal to Have a Community-Wide Meeting and Dialogue

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Proposal to Have a Community-Wide Meeting and Dialogue on the following issues we are all grappling with.

-Construction of Hierarchies within OWS

-Access to resources

– Accountability

– Transparency

– Structural and interpersonal dynamics of privilege

We believe our community can grow stronger if we know one another, what resources we each have access to, and how our “groups” are organized.  We believe we can be stronger when we have examined issues of power, leadership, and structures together.

We hope that any member of the OWS community interested in these matters brings their voice to this planning meeting, so we encourage you to send this to anyone who might want to participate.

We want the General Assembly to officially endorse and adopt this meeting and for this meeting to be announced through all the channels available to OWS.


Nicole Carty

Tashy Endres

Marisa Holmes

Lisa Fithian

Jason Ahmadi

Danielle Watson



NYC Operational Spokes Council 2/8/2012 (Minutes)

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Spokes Sign-In Sheet

Audio Recording

Facilitation: Sage, Jeff.

Stack: Frankie

Minutes: David Buccola, and Chepe

Working Group Report Backs: Archives, SIS, Direct Action (9:00), Housing, Class War, Joseph.

Proposal: Budget Proposal from Accounting and three other working groups failed to pass modified consensus with 19 yays and 3 nays.

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