Tweets for Mon, 09 Jan 2012

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Hi everyone. Tonight’s Spokes Council will be held at Brecht Forum http://t.co/A1xRg1dj See u there!

Hi ya’ll. We’re here at another Spokes Council located at 451 West St http://t.co/A1xRg1dj We begin soon! #ows #nycsc

Nick will be taking stack and Jason will be on time. #ows #nycsc

And welcome to Christina and Leana to their first Spokes Council! #ows #nycsc

Facilitation is now reviewing how Spokes Council works. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: We use consensus to arrive at decisions, but lately consensus has become vague. Let’s remember why we are all here. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Tech has a four part proposal. It’s lengthy, but awesome. Stop Stop & Frisk also has a proposal as does the MLK group #ows #nycsc

Stairs: We’re going to start with TechOps, SSF Buttons, Safer spaces, then MLK. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Because we have four important proposals, we’re going to allot 40 minutes for each proposal. #ows #nycsc

(oh yes, if the tweets stop flowing, click over to @LibertySqGA2 through 4!) #ows #nycsc

TechOps: Hi everyone, I’m Jake from techops. This proposal isn’t about “please give us money.” #ows #nycsc

TechOps: Rather, it is “this is some cool stuff, do you want us to build/use it?” #ows #nycsc

TechOps: So we’re going to begin with the occupy’s state of tech. #ows #nycsc

TechOps: one of the projects we’ve had alot of success with is nycga’s voice services. #ows #nycsc

TechOps: I know alot of you guys are familiar with 855-nycga-411 bc many of you have used it. it allows for instant up-to-date info #nycsc

TechOps: We had it running for free through an arrangement with the service provider. But now we must pay for it. #ows #nycsc

TechOps: A few of our payment options are $1500 for 25000 min @ 6cents/min #ows #nycsc

TechOps: The other is $2500 for 50,000 min @ 5cents/minute #ows #nycsc

TechOps: At this time, we’d like to open stack for clarifying questions. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Clarifying questions are questions that will help you understand something that wasnt made clear. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Let’s break out into groups for about 3 minutes. #ows #nycsc

If you’d like to view the TechOps presentation, click along here! http://t.co/yE1wHLRj #ows #nycsc

CQ: Some occupiers are in jail. Are there options to help those in jail? TechOps: Yes, announcements can be recorded #ows #nycsc

TechOps: ..and announcements are posted on http://t.co/OzXDORvv. It’s pretty cool. #ows #nycsc

CQ: I was wondering if accounting can give us an idea how much money is in the coffin. #ows #nycsc

Accounting: We’re looking at $190,000. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Are there are any more stack for concerns? #ows #nycsc

Stairs: I think it’s unlikely, given there are only 2 options, that there will be FriendlyAmendments, but please discuss. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Also please raise your hand if you want to discuss one option. #ows #nycsc

(again, you can view TechOps’ prezi here http://t.co/yE1wHLRj) #ows #nycsc

Stack: I think we should choose the lesser one given our financial circumstances. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Is this TechOps’ #1 priority? TechOps: We’d like to ask you if this is your priority. It’s for you. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Are we deciding on one over the other right now? #ows #nycsc

Stairs: I don’t think we’re going to get thru everything today, but i think it’ll be good if we get thru a couple #ows #nycsc

CQ: for people w/o computers, how will this number be promoted? TechOps: We have flyers & business cards. Word of mouth too. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Stack is now closed. Let’s take a temperature check. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Let’s come to consensus on whether we should do any option. And if we do, then we’ll decide on one. #ows #nycsc

CQ: So ppl who cannot hear or speak, can they use the service? TechOps: Thru a relay, yes but not directly thru a phone. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok, so let’s come to consensus on whether we should use one of these two voice options. (consensus reached) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Are there any friendly amendments (FAs)? (none) Standasides? (none). #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Spokes, raise your hand if you have a block (none) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Spokes, raise your sign if you want the lower minute sign #ows #nycsc

(many spokes raise their signs for less expensive plan) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Spokes, raise your hand if you want the expensive plan. (only a couple raise hand) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. The less expensive plan has it. #ows #nycsc

(moving on to TechOps proposal 2) #ows #nycsc

TechOps: Ok. Let’s talk about http://t.co/OzXDORvv. It’s used very heavily with 2.5M visits and 8K members #ows #nycsc

TechOps: One techops member began personally paying to support http://t.co/OzXDORvv. We are wondering if ows can reimburse them #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Let’s get into breakout groups #ows #nycsc

(the TechOps proposal can be viewed here http://t.co/yE1wHLRj) #ows #nycsc

(TechOps is asking for OWS to reimburse the individual $1216.77 for personally hosting http://t.co/OzXDORvv) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. We’re going to take stack for Clarifying Questions. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Yeah, do you guys have documentation? TechOps: Yes, we have all receipts. #ows #nycsc

CQ: What’s the individual’s name? TechOps: Sure. Tom Gillis. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. Let’s open stack for concerns. #ows #nycsc

Concern: Do we have to do the reimbursement now? Can we wait till we get more money in the coffin? What’s our timeline? #ows #nycsc

TechOps: It doesnt seem money is coming in and we’d like to relieve the burden off of Tom. #ows #nycsc

TechOps: Also, there was a plan to reimburse Tom before the raid, but b/c of everything, we put the decision off. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Raise your hand if you need to confer w/ your group before FAs (none). Great. Stack for FA’s now open. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Raise your sign if you have any standasides (none). Raise if you have any blocks (none). #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Great. Consensus! #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. We’re now going to move to another WG. If we have time, we’ll return to TechOps last 2 proposals #ows #nycsc

TechOps: Thank you for your time. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Next on the agenda is from Stop, Stop and Frisk & their button proposal. #ows #nycsc

SSF: There are 5 & 6 of us living in a room following cops in Harlem. We havent asked from any funds from the GA #ows #nycsc

SSF: We’re asking for $728/wk for the next 3 weeks. #ows #nycsc

SSF: We’re trying to develop a community where people call out police who perform Stop and Frisks. #ows #nycsc

SSF: The buttons are incredibly invaluable and needed. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: We’re going to take 3 minutes to talk to your group about the proposal. #ows #nycsc

PoI: We can do 1000 buttons for $200. We may have a better deal. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: SSF, did you select one of those options? #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok, so the proposal now is 3,000 buttons for $600 #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Stack is now open for clarifying questions. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Do you have any events coming up that require buttons? SSF: Yes, we have one with Chris Hedges, MLK, and court tomorrow #ows #nycsc

CQ: Is it just SSF or another working group. SSF: Just us. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Are you asking for a weekly amount? Yes, it’s $690 for 3 weeks for 9,000 buttons. #ows #nycsc

SSF: I know it sounds like alot of buttons, but it’s necessary. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Do u have any fundraising mechanism? SSF: Yes, we’ve been using outreach mechanisms, but it feels good to hand them out. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Can we have a breakdown for weekly expenses? Is it all for buttons? #ows #nycsc

Stairs: That sounds like an FA. let’s wait for that. #ows #nycsc

SSF: We put out a call to Cornel West & other organizations. We’re glad to be providing buttons to everybody. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Can u give us more clarity on what the buttons are for? #ows #nycsc

SSF: If you see someone with a button, it’s empowering. The button is symbolic for kids being frisked for no reason. #ows #nycsc

SSF: The NYPD has a badge. Now the kids have a badge. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Can they get this money from the $100/day allocation? #ows #nycsc

PoI Accounting: Yes, but then they’d have to come back everyday. It’s good they’re coming to Spokes. #ows #nycsc

CQ: How many buttons will you be going through per week? SSF: About 3,000. CQ: Really? SSF: Yes, absolutely. #ows #nycsc

CQ: And do you affiliate with OWS when you hand out the buttons? SSF: Yes, I identify myself as an OWS working group member. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. Raise your hand if you need time to confer (some hands are raised). Ok. you have one minute. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Can I have stack on concerns. #ows #nycsc

Concerns: I’d like to add a FA. Please suggest, if they can afford to, provide a donation. #ows #nycsc

Concerns: We were wondering if you can hand out some buttons here. SSF: Absolutely. #ows #nycsc

Concern: We were wondering about the size. SSF: We like them to be visible. Yesterday, I witnessed two 60 year old women..#ows #nycsc

SSF:..being arrested and we wore them while filming. We like them Reese Pieces size, not M&M’s. #ows #nycsc

Concern: Can you add “ows” on there? SSF: I do tell people we’re part of OWS when i hand them out so im not sure if thats needed #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Can you restate your FA? Yes, we ask if people can donate — if they can. #ows #nycsc

SSF: Yes, we’ll do that and we have been doing that when we hand them out. #ows #nycsc

Concern: We’ve heard that SSF has connections to the (inaudible) Communist party (RCP) & dont want this to turn into.. #ows #nycsc

Concern: .. a recruiting effort for the RCP. #ows #nycsc

SSF: Yes, that’s a valid concern. We’re doing our own thing. RCP is not part of our ideological agenda nor are they calling the shots #nycsc

Concern: Can I make an FA for a tiny url on the button for http://t.co/OzXDORvv? SSF: We’ve been discussing maybe putting it … #ows #nycsc

SSF: .. on the back. Stairs: So do u accept the FA? SSF: Yes, we accept the FA. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Final call for concerns (none). Ok. Stack for Friendly amendments is now open. #ows #nycsc

FA: Let’s add the number we just voted on. SSF: We accept that FA. #ows #nycsc

FA: Do u have OWS literature, but would you like some of ours? SSF: Yes, we’d love some more. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Raise your hand if you need to convene with your group (none). #ows #nycsc

SSF: Restating proposal. We’re looking to raise money for buttons and http://t.co/OzXDORvv & voice number on back of buttons #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok, let’s go to consensus. Are there any standasides (none). Any blocks? (one) #ows #nycsc

Block: We’re uncomfortable for the $3,000 and would like to propose an FA. How about $690 for 1 wk? #ows #nycsc

SSF: I just feel like we’re going to go thru this process again & it will be successful yet again. #ows #nycsc

Legal (block): I feel like it’s alot of money for buttons. #ows #nycsc

SSF: That’s why we’re asking for 3 weeks and not for anything long term. #ows #nycsc

FA: What about having a button maker to conserve money. #ows #nycsc

SSF: I love that idea. Yes. We’ll accept that FA. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: So you’re not being asked to change your proposal, but to follow this avenue. #ows #nycsc

PoI: OWS has already purchased a button maker. Is it necessary to buy another? #ows #nycsc

(laughter) Stairs: Let’s forget about the button maker. Legal and PoC have a concern. Lets return to the issue. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: We’re going to open up stack to resolve conflict. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Raise your hand if your group needs to confer. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: We have gotten into a habit of going to modified consensus. Right now there is a concern that has not been resolved. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Let’s try to resolve this concern before going to modified consensus. #ows #nycsc

Concern: I’m glad you guys are doing this. So we offer as a FA 2 weeks for money, do research, then return for 3 or more weeks #ows #nycsc

SSF: That’s what we were going to say (laughter) Stairs: I’m glad everyone is happy (more laughter) #ows #nycsc

FA: Can you put OWS somewhere on the button for some cross pollination? SSF: The button represents something that’s independent #ows #nycsc

SSF: This isn’t outreach, but direct action. This is how we show love. We’ll have the voice # & the url on the back #ows #nycsc

SSF: This button should be about the wearer and not the the movement. On the front, only SSF. On the back, OWS #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Raise your hand if you have a standaside #ows #nycsc

Stairs: 6,000 buttons. $2800 for 2 weeks. Ows url/# on back. SSF on front. Soliciting donations & try to get a button maker #ows #nycsc

Stairs: So raise your sign for a standaside (none). Raise for block (none). Ok great! Consensus! #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: We’ve been working on community agreements. We’ve written this based on research from other mvmnts #ows #nycsc

SafeSpace: Our community agreement looks at accountability, pro justice & recognize we live in an oppressive society. #ows #nycsc

SafeSpace: We are not here to replicate a criminal justice system. We also want to empower people who have experienced harm #ows #nycsc

SafeSpace: By giving them mental & emotional resources. We want to have a discussion on education. This is a living doc #ows #nycsc

SafeSpace: It’s one piece of the puzzle. it’s very basic but begins the process and is relevant to SpokesCouncil in this space #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Breakout groups please. #ows #nycsc

This is the Safer Spaces document currently being presented at the Spokes Council. http://t.co/FVOa3hfC #ows #nycsc

Stairs: I know some people are still talking, but we’re probably only going to be able to give feedback to SaferSpaces. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Can I get stack for clarifying questions please? #ows #nycsc

CQ: We’re wondering why we’re not going to consensus right now? #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: We’re making a political decision b/c it’s too much to ask. We want ppl to absorb this information. #ows #nycsc

CQ: We’re not clear what would precipitate the escalation process.. who makes that decision? whats the criteria? #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: We got as far as each working body would create a set of meeting agreements. It’s not in here. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Who does it fall upon? The facilitators? The spokes? SaferSpaces: It’s on the back. So, any1 can identify that #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: The next step is addressing the issue once it’s been identified. #ows #nycsc

CQ: I feel that this will inevitably fall on the facilitator to get the de escalation process rolling. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: I feel like we’re moving onto concerns, which isnt a big problem. But let’s take a minute. Raise ur hand if you..#ows #nycsc

Stairs: if you need to talk to your group #ows #nycsc

Concern: I think it should be left up to Spoke, rather than opening it up to the entire group. #ows #nycsc

Concern: Apparently, it’s opened to Spoke, then go to GA. Ideally, it should not be a living doc. Could it be an edition #ows #nycsc

Concern: or version first before we adopt it? Also, what about empowering the group? That’s not in here. #ows #nycsc

Concern: Also, “remove yourself if requested, substances, and police attraction.” Much of the language seems vague #ows #nycsc

Concern: Also, please strike the language that discusses privilege. #ows #nycsc

Concern: I figure you can just mull it over. You dont have to respond directly. #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: Thank you for voicing those. #ows #nycsc

Concern: I also have a problem on defining what a privilege is. You should ask everyone what a privilege is. #ows #nycsc

Concern: We believe this document needs to be more clear on the deescalation process. #ows #nycsc

Concern: Can we add “we do not want to invoke verbal violence?” Also, ambulance wont be called, unless they want it to be called #ows #nycsc

Concern: It just seems vague. Can you please clarify that? #ows #nycsc

Concern: B/c what if they’re unconscious. We feel that language is too vague as well. #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: I’ll respond to some of the recurring concerns. #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: So i’ll begin by addressing the concerns on privilege. I probably wont be able to provide a satisfactory answer #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: Originally, it was based on societal privileges. And speaking as a white male, it seems my voice is perceived as ..#ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces:..as more legitimate. And we’ve observed this in society & in this space as well. So we need to call this out. #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: Also, the privilege list is not exclusive. #ows #nycsc

Concern: Can you also include linguistical access. Because many deaf people have come to mtg but leave frustrated #ows #nycsc

Concern: We understand about the code of conduct. To be honest, the only thing we have to go on is act in a way that harms the commnity

Concern: which is unbelievably vague. So who is going to do it? #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: The reason we wanted that separated is bc we want it to be applied to every space, not just meeting spaces. #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: We want each space to have their own meeting agreements. #ows #nycsc

Concern: I’m still not clear on meeting agreements vs. code of conduct. #ows #nycsc

Concern: I think i get the last paragraph on disruption. And there are those who have been “labeled.” But people are eccentric #ows #nycsc

Concern: This is an eccentric movement. The concern is that we hope this isnt a move to exclude certain ppl b/c of their opinion #ows #nycsc

Concern: We want to make sure no one gets kicked out b/c of things they’ve done in the past. #ows #nycsc

Concern: B/c we came real close to fizzling out and excluding people. So let’s be thankful for our progressive ideas #ows #nycsc

Stairs: The hand signals while ppl are talking is really distracting. Please just avoid them. Let ppl talk. #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: We purposefully didnt include the word disruptor b/c it’s a loaded term. We also value being inclusive & work thru..#ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces:..conflict. #ows #nycsc

Legal: There is a sentence, ‘we make no assumptions on race.’ I think we should abolish/reword that sentence. #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: I think it’s just a wordy sentence. The idea is we make no assumptions on someone’s identity including those things #ows #nycsc

Concern: I believe the discussion on privilege generates a larger conversation. I dont we can strike that paragraph b/c ..#ows #nycsc

Concern: structural agreements exist in this society & in this movement. I think we should keep the paragraph b/c if we dont..#ows #nycsc

Concern:.. it’s like we’re ignoring it. #ows #nycsc

Concern: It wasn’t translated in Spanish. We just want it to be translated in the future. #ows #nycsc

SaferSpaces: This is also posted on http://t.co/JH6L91qC (here it is http://t.co/FVOa3hfC) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. So read it and we’ll come back at a later date to deliberate. Let’s move on to the MLK proposal. #ows #nycsc

MLK: On Jan 15th, in the spirit of Dr. MLK, vigils are being organized throughout the world. #ows #nycsc

MLK: We need your help to turn this moment even larger. We’re teaming up with many movements all over the world. #ows #nycsc

MLK: Riverside church is requesting $6,000 for tech & security. Candlelight costs are $2,000. The total is $8,000 #ows #nycsc

MLK: There are alot of groups working on this. The $6k is for security, tech, & clean up @ the church. #ows #nycsc

MLK: The other $2K is for candles that are expensive, but strong. These events are happening all over the world. #ows #nycsc

MLK: There’s going to be alot of video. Video that represents MLK’s spirit and our spirit. It will be an everlasting image. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: So its $6K for the tech & security and $2K for the candles. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. Breakout groups. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Who are Brooklyn Democrats for Change & why should we care? #ows #nycsc

MLK: Good question. Not exactly sure, but there’s a lot of push behind it. The GA has already approved the event, just not funds #ows #nycsc

CQ: Do u have a precise breakdown of the $6K? WG: Yes. The church provided those figures. They include in-house tech & security. #ows #nycsc

WG: And the clean up crews. The Riverside church will help us garner publicity & may even help us bring in donations #ows #nycsc

CQ: Can we provide our own volunteers? WG: Valid question, but i cant imagine Riverside relying on us. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Can any outside groups contribute anything? It just seems like a very expensive proposal. #ows #nycsc

WG: MLK day is Sunday. We’re in our last hour. We cant ask all those ppl to come on board if we dont have the church booked. #ows #nycsc

CQ: Our concern is whether or not you committed to this. And if it doesnt happen right now, what happens? #ows #nycsc

WG: We’ll have to find an alternative space. The most unfortunate part is that it started as a proposal by somebody else. #ows #nycsc

CQ: What’s going to actually happen on that day? Who is performing? WG: I know Steve Earl will be. But we cant ask ppl to commit #ows #nycsc

WG: .. if we dont know whether or not it will pass. It’s like a catch 22. CQ: What else will happen at the event ?#ows #nycsc

CQ: We have speakers lined up, including MLK’s nephew. #ows #nycsc

CQ: The $8K is the entire budget, correct? WG: There have been volunteer contributions and $2k donated #ows #nycsc

CQ: Has the Brooklyn Group for Change contributed anything? WG: We’re still seeking funds from groups but we’re at a point where #ows #nycsc

WG: .. we’d like ows to support us on this event. We feel it’s crucial and important and believe it will be good publicity #ows #nycsc

WG: OccupyTheHood is also supporting this as well. #ows #nycsc

Concern: Is it posible to allow them to let us supply our own tech (from techops)? also, what PR and marketing is being done? #ows #nycsc

WG: PR is working hard on this as is the press WG. I’ve also been reaching out to #occupynewark GA’s #ows #nycsc

WG: On techops, that’s still going on. But, generally, they’re line is this is how it is & how its going to be. #ows #nycsc

Concern: I was wondering if there’s an MLK group working with Riverside. And, will that group help recover some of the funds? #ows #nycsc

Concern: What can that group do to return some of the money? It’s a mega church. Can they reach out to their allies? #ows #nycsc

WG: The fact they’re giving this to us is a big thing. For us to ask that would probably be after the event. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: We’ve wandered into FA’s which is fine. But lets also try to get the concerns out there. #ows #nycsc

Concern: There’s also another MLK event by other OWS groups. Have these WGs been consulted? #ows #nycsc

Concern: So we’re worried about dividing our efforts. Are we spreading ourselves thin here? #ows #nycsc

WG: We’ve tried to run concurrent events. We want this to be a 2 day event. Not just with PoC but with other occupations. #ows #nycsc

WG: Also, MLK’s speech at Riverside is something we should all Google or YouTube. #ows #nycsc

WG: And we see the vigil as lighting the way for other events — they’re all connected. #ows #nycsc

Concern: We feel this activity was approved by the GA & this discussion belongs in the GA, not the SC. #ows #nycsc

Concern: Also, it seems like a large amount of money. WG: We were supposed to bring it back to the Sat/Sun GA. #ows #nycsc

WG: So, i’m picking up the slack by bringing it here tonight b/c this is really the 11th hour #ows #nycsc

Stairs: We have 30 seconds left. Please keep your concerns/FAs concise. #ows #nycsc

Concern: I can help you raise money to help you offset some of the cost. In doing that, I can confer w/ the group. #ows #nycsc

WG: That would be fantastic. #ows #nycsc

Concern: is it absolutely necessary to have an indoor component? and that we’re aligning with any political party.. #ows #nycsc

WG: We’re not aligning w/ a political party, just with MLK’s vision. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: So you’re not committing to accepting donations? WG: No, we are. Stairs: So there are unresolved concerns but..

Stairs:.. this is time sensitive. So, let’s do a temp check for going to consensus now before taking any more stack. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: So, it is possible to take no Friendly Amendments. It’s not a breach of process & some can say they’re not ready ..#ows #nycsc

Stairs:..to reach consensus. (after some deliberation). Ok, lets continue for 10 more min. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Raise your hand if u need to confer with your group. #ows #nycsc

FA: Lets not have any OWS protest signs at the vigil. Stairs: Please restate. FA: No signs, you’re holding a candle #ows #nycsc

WG: Accepted. #ows #nycsc

FA: Can u seek donations? WG: Yes. #ows #nycsc

FA: Can you just say $2k on candles and anything not spent, please return it. #ows #nycsc

WG: Yes. #ows #nycsc

Concern: If it was brought to the GA, how come it wasn’t on there 24 hrs before? This is something that really belongs in GA #ows #nycsc

Concern: And that we’re undermining how Spokes Council operates. #ows #nycsc

WG: The 1st time the GA approved this event was several weeks ago & it was on the site. #ows #nycsc

WG: On Sat/Sun, it was going to be brought up as an emergency proposal but that never happened. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: I need facilitation to go online and find that proposal. #ows #nycsc

Concern: What is the name of the event? and can PoC be put on the panel? #ows #nycsc

WG: Yes, we have someone from Poc on the panel. And the name of the event is #J15. #ows #nycsc

Concern: We should also include other civil rights leaders & that we use ows resources to drop the cost #ows #nycsc

FA: Let’s just do the outdoor component and that the BrooklynDemocraticParty not have their name on the literature #ows #nycsc

WG: I’m not sure the BDP will have their name on any literature, however, Riverside will be. #ows #nycsc

FA: If there is an event on j15-j17, then reach out to other groups. our group didnt know about this. #ows #nycsc

FA: let’s ensure that ppl who go to #j15 also go to #j16 and #j17. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: I need a commitment from everyone that the moment this proposal is done, you leave immediately. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Can I get a temp check on this proposal on passing this here at Spokes? #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok wait. Confer with your Spokes first. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Raise your sign if your comfortable trying to pass this here at Spokes #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. Raise your sign if it should go to the GA. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. there’s ambiguity. So we’re going to straw poll (taken and moving along). #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Are there any standasides? #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. We have 14 standasides. #ows #nycsc

Stairs to WG: Do you want to table this or continue? #ows #nycsc

WG: Let’s keep going. Stairs: Are there any blocks? (none) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Alright. MLK event has been approved. #ows #nycsc

And that’s it for tonight everyone. Thanks for staying with us tonight. See you tomorrow and rest well! #ows #nycsc

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#OWS GA is starting here in Liberty Square! Follow here and @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4. #nycga #ows

There is a block right now on Jeff facilitating. There are 2 blocks. #nycga #ows

These ethical and moral concerns include Jeffs sexist behavior and mock rape trial. #nycga #ows

Now moving to modified consensus. There are 7 people opposed to Jeff facilitating. #nycga #ows

There are now multiple PoIs regarding whether Jeff should facilitate #nycga #ows

Block: a woman left a housing meeting last night bc jeff and others marginalized them #nycga #ows

PoI:.Is there anyone else who can take stack? #nycga #ows

Jeff: I would like to address these concerns.. #nycga #ows

Jeff is trying to assert that he gets to respond to concerns. [Convention is that if facilitators are objected to, they step down w/o this.]

Stairs: We are going to move to modified consensus on whether Jeff should facilitate #nycga #ows

Stairs: Hands up if u want Jeff to facilitate (now counting) #nycga #ows

Stairs: I count ten. Now raise ur hands if u are opposed. #nycga #ows

Hermes: “We’re about to temp check if Jeff will be able to facilitate.” There were like 10 in favor, more than 12 against. #nycga #ows

Stairs: I count 12 who are against. Modified consensus has not been reached, therefore Jeff must step down. #nycga #ows

Olivia steps up. “I’ve been thru training, but never facilitated before, so I’d like to ask yr permission to do so tonite.” #nycga #ows

Olivia is roundly approved. OK, Hermes is reading the proposals: first tonight is Vision and Goals. #nycga #ows

V&G: “This is a very important thing we’re doing; we’re still on the visions part of it, and we’re trying to GSD.” Hopes will help… #nycga

Cont’d: …movement set tone. “We want to reach everyone from Bed-Stuy Brooklyn to Billings, Montana.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We ask that you look at this visions statement w/ an open heart and mind, give us feedback.” V&G is a multiracial group…

Cont’d: “We’ve been working at it for 3 months now, and we’d love to have this done by MLK’s birthday,” #J15. #nycga #ows

“There’s been some tension in this group about when this needs to be done… made new proposal, we’ll be back every GA this week.”#nycga #ows

Cont’d: “And we’re going to ask you if you think the document you have in your hands is #OWS’ vision statement.” When we say it’s done…

Cont’d: …they’ll stop, “show the document around for the next week, and come back to GA a week later for consensus process.”#nycga #ows

Cont;d: “We put the responsibility on you, and we know we can trust you.” #nycga #ows

Here’s the proposal, Visions and Goals are reading it aloud right now: http://t.co/CPpcd4xQ #nycga #ows

@mariavail many more, but not everyone voted on that question. have a feeling many probably felt it came out of left field.

Visions and Goals, having read the statement, ask for a breakout group. Stairs is temp-checking it… #nycga #ows

Instead we’re going to open stack for questions (w/o leading to consensus), which is improvisational, but that’s how we do! #nycga #ows

CQ: “I’d like this to include giving lands back to indigenous ppl and reparations for slaves.” #nycga #ows

A: “We struggle a lot trying to separate visions and goals; a vision would be a positive thing for the future, reparation is something..”

Cont’d: “..we’re thinking about, and talking about as a group, but it’s not as much of a vision about how to be together better, it’s..”

Cont’d: “…more of a goal. So that’s the second half of our process, which will be guided by our first.” Sumumba notes there is text about..

Cont’d: …oppression, “which we intend to connect to various areas wherein marginalized groups have been oppressed.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “The vision seems to need to include a vision of the wealth that needs to be available for human needs and equality and health.” #nycga

A: “Underneath equality and people before profit, we address those concerns. But again, this is a vision statement; we still have goals..”

Cont’d: “…coming — you can come help us make that.” A: “We all want that, it’s terribly important, but that’s in the goals. Saying what..”

Cont’d: “..we want to de-concentrate power, will de-concentrate wealth as well.” De-concentration is vision, specific means is goal.#nycga

Nan’s CQ: “Why is there no specific language for trans, lesbian and gay ppl?” A: “There is.” CQ: “It says gender and/or gender identity..”

Those are allegedly all listed. Nan: “So what happens w/ this once it’s done?” A: “It’s GA’s to decide what to do w/. It was never our…”

Cont’d: “..document.” Someone else notes that this is a relatively small GA in order to make decisions for the movement… #nycga #ows

[There's some confusion b/c we're going through beginning of consensus process, but the proposers don't plan to seek consensus tonight. -Ed]

“We’re doing this feedback process w/ you until you say you are done. It’s not our job to say when you’re done. And if you want us to stop..

Cont’d: “..tell us, and we’ll stop doing this.” Sumumba clarifies that they’ve been here several times. #nycga #ows

Nan feels her question wasn’t answered. “What happens after it’s revised and revised and we consense on it?” A: “Framework for goals…”

Cont’d: “…is the next part of what we were asked to do. The 1st pt is to articulate the vision. We’re asking you to tell us how we’ve done.”

Next: “If we learn from history, and words of MLK and JFK, and others, the way to do this is through nonviolence. Thank you.” #nycga #ows

Next: “RE: people before profit, it’s my concern — there’s another gentleman that suggested more or less the same thing: addressing the…”

Cont’d: “…issue of extreme inequality in this country and trying to overcome this.” Feels it’s very popular to try to overcome massive…

Cont’d: …disparity in wealth, “getting worse every day. And this will resonate with working people.” #nycga #ows

OK, that’s it for stack. Sumumba: “We have a long way to go; we’re not even through the vision yet b/c we need consensus.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We’re not looking to make a decision toninight; we’re not shoving anything down – we want maximum feedback.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We’re trying to be as democratic as possible; it’s not going to be 6 of us making decisions for #OWS. The world needs to know..”

Cont’d: “..what we stand for.” V&G thanks us for giving feedback, and they ask we mark up the document and give it to them. #nycga #ows

V&G: “We’re hoping that the process will make sense later, and if you have time tonight, please send us your thoughts.” #nycga #ows

Visions and Goals meets Weds/Thurs at 5:30 pm in 60 Wall, and 12-3 on Sundays. they’d love feedback at nycga.net as well! #nycga #ows

OK, moving onto the next item on the agenda: Boots of Solidarity! http://t.co/zPCrZkiP #nycga #ows

Skylar and Stephanie from @OccupyTampa are presenting. “We have a project that we’ve started working on as of late Dec..” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “..and we’d actually like some help from #OWS in working on this. The idea is to travel from occupation to occupation across the..”

Cont’d: “…US and help network, put everything online, do interviews w/ people occupying and keep the movement pushing forward..”

Cont’d: “…even more than it already is.” They’re reading the proposal now; again here’s the text: http://t.co/zPCrZkiP #nycga #ows

The proposal is a budget request for $100/week for gas as they travel around from occupation to occupation. #nycga #ows

First on stack: “I love the idea; I think it’s great; but what happens if one week you spend $98? Do you send the rest back to us?” #nycga

A: Yes (essentially). POI: “Finance pays out w/ receipts, so it’s not like they’re going to get $100 and have to give extra back.” #nycga

CQ: “Are you working w/ Mobile Occupation from #OWS?” A: “No.” CQ: “How long will those go on?” A: “Goal is 1 year. If it..” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…continues longer, we go longer. If it abruptly comes to an end.. we have a new home!” #nycga #ows

CQ: “This is nitpicky, but you mentioned a podcast, but sounds like you want to livestream. which is it?” A: “Podcast was a general term..”

Cont’d: “…I’m a filmmaker, so we’ll be live streaming, but will be multiple mediums — blogging, podcasts, etc.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “I love this. I really do. But, I got a question. Have you guys considered doing fundraising on your own to collect $100/week, or..”

Cont’d: “…getting a sponsor? Because #OWS is running out of money.” A: “We have fundraising in Tampa for us, but we have…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…very little money to get this started.” If they can up their fundraising, there’ll be no need for #OWS to continue funding. #nycga

CQ: “Have you considered: when you see drummers on the train, and they drum, they ask for money. If you ask for ppl to give you 1 penny..”

Cont’d: “…ppl will naturally give you more money. And that will be enough to get you what you need. But we can recruit from schools…”

Cont’d: “…to get more ppl to help you w/ what you’re doing. We can help.” A: “I’m learning to play the Trumpet; she plays the violin.” Hahah

Cont’d: “The problem is, when you have a 2-man team, that makes it difficult to do what we set out to do if we’re constantly fundraising.”

CQ: “RE: video, filming — I understand several museums are interested in history of #OWS. Would your video get into those types of places?”

Cont’d: “…or, I don’t know, maybe even a movie.” A: “We haven’t contacted them; not sure how to address that. It’s something we could…”

Cont’d: “…get into. Possibly at the end, we could make a movie about the travel we did, but that’s aside from what the project is.” #nycga

CQ: “I’ve read this proposal, not sure how this is different from some things already going on. Wondering if you’ve looked to see how..”

Cont’d: “..you can network w/ some of these same ppl?” A: “We hadn’t heard of Mobile Occupation; we’re aware of #occumentary…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…we’re completely open to whatever it is #OWS would like to do with us, essentially. We’re open to ideas.” #nycga #ows

OK, now concerns. “I’d like to see a more explicit understanding of what you guys are going to be doing.” #nycga #ows

A: “Essentially the goal is to network the occupations together; we noticed that this was a problem in Tampa when St. Petersburg was so…”

Cont’d: “..close. But for some reason, they wouldn’t come over. They wouldn’t know about our direct actions or us theirs.” Feels this is…

Cont’d: “…vital to our movement. The fact that we’re not just in one city, but in many.” #nycga #ows

Concern: “Maybe the Mobile Occupation, which is doing some of this stuff among other things, could be worked with.” #nycga #ows

A: “You said that was just for 2 weeks? [Well, it's 5, w/ 2wk max per person.] We want to do this indefinitely.” #nycga #ows

Nicole’s Concern: “It seems hard to allocate indefinitely; maybe you could put a number on it. Our resources are finite.” #nycga #ows

A: “One of the reasons I don’t want to ask for a sum of money is that $100/week isn’t a lot to start off. If we can get outside donations..”

Cont’d: “…we wouldn’t need that money from #OWS that week, because we’d have it from somewhere else.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “There are also concerns about people asking for money and not following through. Doing this week to week secures against..”

Cont’d: “..us doing this.” Nicole asks if they’ve talked to finance; they have a friend here at #OWS (Billy) who is willing to handle $.

Trish’s FA: “My concern is, I have a question w/ any monies being transferred from Finance to a separate and distinct account weekly.”

Cont’d: “If we start that process, we won’t be able to control process.” FA is that they find another way to do it. #nycga #ows

They’re not quite sure what Trish wants. It sounds like they’re not talking about the same thing, since it’s not like we’re just dumping…

…cash into their accounts. Next concern is again about #OccuTrip; maybe “you could travel w/ them and then continue on if you want…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…maybe through process of being with them, you’d meet a lot of ppl.” Could learn from it. “They’ve been working on it for…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…a long time.” A: “We like the idea of being involved w/ them, but concerned about short time period and max of 2 weeks/person.”

Dallas’ FA: “No matter what the allocation is, none is getting paid out until you send in receipts.” Should just restate proposal for year..

Cont’d: “You start getting money when you give receipts, so why not just ask for $5200?” A: “We didn’t want to just ask for lump.. #nycga

Cont’d: “…sum of money.” But other proposal is getting that they don’t get money w/o receipts, so it’s kind of the same thing. #nycga #ows

So the FA would be that it would be for a year’s funding of up to $100/week. So, up to $5200. #nycga #ows

Dan: “I love what you’re thinking, and like this idea. My FA would be this: as far as the indefinite weekly expenses, another way to do it..

Cont’d: “..would be to give you $100, and then talk to Mobile Occupation and Livestream and others and see if there’s a better way to do it.

Cont’d: “And then you could come back, so it wouldn’t be indefinite.” A: “Can it be reimbursement for bus/train rather than gas? Cheaper…

Cont’d: “…and better for the environment. Thank you.” A: “W/ the amount of items we’re carrying w/ us, it would be virtually…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…impossible to travel by bus or train or any means rather than car.” Nan’s FA: “I’m torn. I’m from Florida; I have a love…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…and a hate for Florida.” But she suggests they find another way to raise the $100 a week, or maybe raise half on their own. #nycga

Next: Bernadette’s FA: “I wish to applaud your ambition of living on $100/week, I want to know if you’ve tried that before w/ 2 ppl.” #nycga

Contd: “…outside of the state of Florida.” A: “Yes, for the last 3 years I’ve lived w/ 2 ppl in Kansas on less.” But they just want for gas.

A: “I’m a fan of dumpster diving; I can pretty much get free food and showers wherever. We just want #OWS to help us go from occupation..”

Cont’d: “…to occupation.” FA: “Have you approached any other #occupy groups?” A: “We’ve been in 6 or 7… we have kind of talked about it…”

Cont’d: “…I think that through announcing who we are, and having the backing of #OWS behind us, as we get to more occupations, they’ll..”

Cont’d: “..want to help us out.” Trish asks if they have considered taking donations. A: “We have fundraising on website..” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “..and we’re taking donations from Tampa.” Just starting project, not taking donations as of yet, they say. #nycga #ows

Restating proposal: “We’re requesting $5200 from #OWS, up to $100/week, for a year, for Boots of Solidarity” road trip. #nycga #ows

OK, Stairs is temp-checking on moving towards consensus. Looks good. Any blocks? No blocks. Consensus! #nycga #ows

Check out @SolidarityBoots on Twitter to follow their voyage! #nycga #ows

Next, Richard, who wants to form a Political Prisoner working group. “I worked w/ Black Panthers, Young Lords, Weather Underground…” #nycga

Cont’d; “I’ve been working on Mumia’s case for a long time. One of my friends is a BP and I want him to be involved in this.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Another urgent problem; have you heard of Lynn Stewart?” Appeal coming up; husband Ralph wants to plan an encampment. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “So that way, in February, this court is packed.” Lynn Stewart, 71, has defended political prisoners her whole life, he says. #nycga

“If she loses this appeal, she’s… not going to last more years in there.” In January, “I’d like to do a teach-in about movements..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…that were funded by the people, and why they’re relevant today. From the Young Lords, to Sacco/Vanzetti, to the Iroquois treaty.”

“I want to show Fred Hampton, the free clinics; all funded by the ppl.” Feels #OWS is lacking political, legal education. #nycga #ows

“So, if the best lawyer in the country is in jail on phony charges, do we have a chance w/o education?” Peltier has diabetes.. #nycga #ows

Cont’d; “What they do is move a political prisoner as far as they can from lawyers, family, so they run out of money.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We should give Tariq some money so he can take a day off and come…” #nycga #ows

He wants to build a library, so tht when people die off, their voices are on the record at #OWS. Didn’t know how to bring it up. #nycga #OWS

Reading proposal: He wants to show the Fred Hampton movie at a theater, w/ signs and fliers, no specific date yet. #nycga #ows

He’d also like to build an encampment for February and start having marches to 500 Pearl Street, and do teach-ins in front of the court…

POP: “This isn’t on the website; it can’t be brought tonight, even though I like what you’re talking about.” #nycga #ows

Hermes says that it’s his fault; he accepted it. He asks him to put it on the web and come back for next GA. #nycga #ows

POI: “I was helping Rich; like he said, he’s a luddite. He was a little scared of the process. Overwhelmed, has no computer skills.” #nycga

Cont’d: “So we went to 60 Wall to help, and there was some confusion– I thought it would go to next GA; there was just some confusion.”

Cont’d: “Rich didn’t do anything wrong, there was just some confusion about how the proposal was to be handled.” #nycga #ows

Taking a second to help proposer understand why he’s being interrupted; we have a 24-hour review requirement. #nycga #ows

There’s an emergency proposal, so we’ll hear the details and then decide whether it was “subject to a deadline not previously knowable.”

So, this is the next proposal: “My proposal is, my sister is stranded in Illinois. She went to Chicago Occupation for help…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…she’s been part of occupation for over a month. They denied her funding for a bus ticket to be part of occupation here for…”

Cont’d: “..protection from the cops and all that.” She’s the last family he has left. He’s been on a hunger strike to try to raise $…

Cont’d: …& he can’t do it. “She either needs $101 for a Greyhound ticket, or $84 for a Chinatown bus ticket, which is $4 for wire transfer.”

“She needs to get down here to help out. She is like a computer genius. She has a Masters, went to college at 16.” Big benefit for media…

Cont’d: …livestream, and “all the stuff we do on the computers.” Occupy Chicago said they were more concerned about bail. #nycga #ows

OK……… …. . .. .. . …. .. we’re going to temp check whether this is an emergency proposal or not. Very negative, looks to me. Folks are…

Cont’d: …taking up a collection for him instead. #nycga #ows

K, so we’re onto the next proposal: Blocks Protocol at General Assembly. Text: http://t.co/r8VBRV3J #nycga #ows

Sean explains: “Essentially, it makes blocks susceptible to points of process. A block is a moral, safety, or ethical concern…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…if it ain’t one, it ain’t a block. I’ve heard blocks of “bite me.”" #nycga #ows

CQ: “Normally POPs are recognized by Facilitators. You’re giving Facilitators ability to recognize POPs on blocks?” #nycga #ows

A: “Yes, essentially the group will need to reach 75% consensus on the block’s validity if it is PoPed.” #nycga #ows

POI from Structure WG member: “Informally, we agreed to this when Sean brought it to us.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “The wording is confusing– not sure about #1 or the sunset clause.” A: “The Sunset Clause is… blocks are based on common values…”

Cont’d: “…we currently don’t have one of these, and that’s part of our problem.” This would expire if we pass a community agreement. #nycga

CQ: “And RE: #1, can you explain it better?” A: “I say, ‘my block is so-and-so.’ You say, ‘That doesn’t sound like an ethical, moral…”#nycga

Cont’d: ‘…or safety concern.’ And then the blocker will repeat their block, b/c people don’t always listen to every word at GA.” #nycga #ows

Trish, who says she represents the “GA working group” notes that this makes a big change and that there are only about 3 dozen here. #nycga

CQ: “How is this different from modified consensus, a straw poll?” A: “We don’t want to paint ourselves in the corner; if it’s not good…

Cont’d: “..we don’t want to make it impossible to unpass this. Modified consensus is similar, but this will prevent it from being needed..”

Cont’d: “..some of the time.” 1 person’s block, if valid, would normally turn into more down votes in modified consensus. #nycga #ows

But this, ideally, he says, would prevent modified consensus. Someone asks how this doesn’t just lower bar to 75%… #nycga #ows

A: “If there are 7 blocks, only one block needs to be real to move to modified consensus.” CQ: “And this is supposed to save time?” Ha. #OWS

Concerns now. 1st: “I really don’t understand this, while I do understand and support why you’re doing this. One is, you said we don’t..”

Cont’d: “…have points of agreement,” but points to a few things we have agreed on, i.e. principles of solidarity. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “The other part of it is, it seems to me it just convolutes the process. So while some people do obstruct the process, it’s like..”

Cont’d: “..you’re now throwing in another modified consensus that’s less than 90%.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Also, I don’t like the idea that sometime down the line someone could veto the 3rd or 4th block I’ve made in as many months.”

A: “One rule is, don’t make a weapon you wouldn’t want turned on you.” If you’ve only blocked a few times, you probably had a moral…

Cont’d: …ethical, or safety concern. “If this fits that shape, a block holds.” The answer will usually be that it’s valid. #nycga #ows

Conor’s Concern: “This is a similar concern as to why this is brought up; some ppl use a block to make themselves moral compasses..”

Cont’d: “…for the GA, which I’ve become more concerned w/ over time.” GA’s job, he says, is to reach consensus. Supports prop. #nycga #ows

Trish’s concern: “There’s less than 3 dozen there; this proposal, as I understand, will only be in effect for one week until Safer Spaces..”

Cont’d: “…completes and passes their community agreement.” She says she understands this is a temporary implement to see how… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: …it works. She also says Safer Spaces’ proposal is “phenomenal” and very important, and that this would convolute GA. #nycga #ows

Sean notes Safer Spaces is going to propose to bring CA to Spokescouncil, but it’s different from GA, will be “several weeks..” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…before it gets to GA.” Notes other occupations have spent quite awhile in GA. Shazz says he feels this might delay passage of CA..

Sean’s A: “This should, if anything, help pass the community agreement by making obstructionist blocks disappear.” #nycga #ows

Concern: “Obviously, eat me is an obvious block, but when you’re talking about ethical concerns, that’s hard.” #nycga #ows

A: “Many ppl have expressed their moral objection to this w/o stating what it was.” Doesn’t want to accept invalid reasons anymore. #nycga

Sean notes also that even though there’s 2 dozen ppl there, there were 22 positive comments on the website. #nycga #ows

Brett: “I’m not sure where to start; I have an incredible amount of concerns w/ this. I think we’ve seen quite often that, while I love..”

Cont’d: “..this community passionately, it’s not always a safe space. So I’d like to have faith that in some cases, someone might have..”

Cont’d: “..a moral or ethical concern that they don’t feel safe expressing. At some pt, we need to trust tht ppl come here to act in good..”

Cont’d: “…faith. So in absence of community agreement, and shared values,” which he’s not even sure we should document…

Cont’d: “…this feels exclusive to me, and adds an incredible amount of process” (speaking, he notes, as a facilitator.) #nycga #ows

OK, friendly amendments now. Matt: “If, after a GA or 2, it’s determined that certain blocks are invalid, could it have a vote again..”

Cont’d: “..saying this proposal is not working? If it seems like we’re not working and we don’t like it.” #nycga #ows

A: “Everything can be undone w/ proposal. Bt I’m fine w/ specifically stating tht in proposal anyway.” Not even w/ time delay. #nycga #ows

Shazz wants to firm it up: “Can we try this for a week, and vote next Sunday based on whether it works or not?” A: “I accept.” #nycga #ows

Sean asks Matt if he’d like to set his aside in favor of Shazz, and he agrees. Someone else doesn’t understand FA… #nycga #ows

Sean: “This says, if we pass a community agreement statement, this will fade out after 1 week.” She wasn’t sure if that was before/after.

Nan’s FA: “This proposal, I feel like is… basically — nothing personal, Sean, but you have a lot of agendas that are not very good for..”

Cont’d: “…the people, and this proposal is attacking certain ppl or certain groups. You’re trying to silence the ppl.” FA is to not do it.

Nan says she’ll block, which is amazing. #nycga #ows

Sean: “That’s not a friendly amendment. That’s basically just, ‘will you light this on fire?’” #nycga #ows

Lopi’s FA: “Can we burn the proposal and get warm?” Sean: “After it passes, you can light the fire w/ these [printouts of proposal].”#nycga

Restating: “Proposal is to allow POPs on blocks that are not moral, ethical, or safety concerns. Blocker will restate, and then a straw..”

Cont’d: “…poll will be taken after the PoP has been issued, there’ll be a 75% threshold on whether the block is valid.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “It’s a trial period for a week.. we’ll be back to vote on this next Sunday.” #nycga #ows

OK, moving to consensus. Stairs: “Any standasides?” 5 standasides. Brett clarifies that a stand aside is typically, “you have a concern..”

Cont’d: “…with this proposal, but it’s more a personal concern than a movement-wide concern, which is a block.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d; “It means, I won’t stop the community from moving forward w/ the proposal.” #nycga #ows

Nan is blocking. “I am sick and tired of you guys coming here to GA, forcing your rules and regulations how GA was written for the people.”

Cont’d: “This is silence. You are taking away ppl’s opportunity for blocking, and I’m blocking b/c it’s silencing.” #nycga #ows

A: “This is not intended to silence ppl. This is intended to equalize voices so that ppl who block 100 times can’t block 100 times.” #nycga

Trish says her stand aside is based on her working group asking her to stand aside. Not gonna even touch that… #nycga #ows

Moving to next block, Brett. “I don’t have anything to add aside from my concerns earlier.” #nycga #ows

People ask him to restate. “My concerns, as I stated earlier… among many things, I feel like this adds on process unecessarily…”

Cont’d: “…I think it will become a way to target individuals and not the issues at hand; it feels punitive, not sure we have right as..”

Cont’d: “…community to address concerns of specific individuals; that’s why we have a process of modified consensus.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We don’t debate the validity of anyone’s individual concerns. I could go on, but that…” #nycga #ows

A: “I worry that we don’t have the ability to agree whether a block is valid. So ‘eat me’ stands — even that.” Says agreed to 1 week trial.

Brett: “I don’t feel comfortable putting a 1 week trial on what I feel is immoral, so I hold my block.” #nycga #ows

Trish moves her standaside to a block. “I just got a call.” Yikes. Someone mic checks they’re tired of Nan whipping their vote. #nycga #ows

She also notes that these ppl are calling friends in other places and countries to come and block this. “I want this on the record.” #nycga

“She’s threatening that Razor is coming back to me, now. I also want that on the record.” #nycga #ows

There were 6 blocks, and 3 standasides. Proposer now has option to move to modified consensus. “If you agree, raise yr hand.” #nycga #ows

There are 16 for, and 9 against. So, clearly not making modified consensus. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “There are 50 ppl, and 9 are against. Proposal does not pass.” “See you again Tuesday,” Sean says. #nycga #ows

OK, moving to announcements. “I wanted to make a pitch for an emergency proposal which passed in Friday night Labor Outreach mtg..”

Cont’d: “…to have a protest against MTA and Goldman Sachs. GS is the financial adviser to the MTA. They are biggest bond seller in country..

Cont’d: “…of municipal bonds.” Want us to endorse this demonstration on an emergency basis. #nycga #ows

We’ve told him that they don’t need to do that as Labor Outreach are empowered to support protests w/o GA approval. #nycga #ows

Next announcement: “There’s a teach-in at 12pm Monday, at 60 Wall on how to bring forth an environmentally sustainable, socially just..”

Cont’d: “…and spiritually fulfilling human presence on earth.” “Come and enjoy 2 great facilitators!” #nycga #ows

Conor is working w/ a new working group to provide a platform for GA and working groups to have their own space, live/work situations, etc.

Cont’d: “If anyone wants to talk about that, come find me.” Next, Matt: “Wednesday, my friend is doing a roast of @ElBloombito at the..”

Cont’d: “…Yippie Cafe, 9 Bleeker, at 8pm; proceeds will be split w/ Yippie Cafe, which is an activist cafe that has supported mvmnt…”

Cont’d: “…and w/ Livestream.” Richard announces he’ll put his proposal through proper process and then bring it to the nxt GA. #nycga #ows

Facilitation asks for feedback, & wants to apologize “because I’ve never done it before and stepped up tioday.” We THANK her; she did great.

OK! That’s the GA! Thanks for reading tweeps! [Qs, comments, concerns, hit me up at @diceytroop. -Ed.] Have a great night! #nycga #ows

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#OWS General Assembly is starting now! Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4 for the entire feed. #nycga #ows

Sully and someone whose name I don’t know are facilitating tonight, so we’ll call them Stairs for short! Long story. #nycga #ows

We have two agenda items, but beforehand we’ll hear working group reportbacks! #nycga #ows

First, a “quick reminder of how our Consensus process works. What we’re doing here when we’re hearing proposals…” #nycga #ows

Sully yields to folks who just donated 100 spring rolls and are about to pass them out! Thanks fam! #nycga #ows

Sully: “When we make decisions here, we’re not just using model of majority rule that many are familiar w/. We want to make decisions..”

Cont’d: “…that empower minority voices among the group, and not end up with necessarily something we all want to do, but what we can..”

Cont’d: “…live w/ as a community.” We use a collaborative process to create the final proposal, and then “we move to consensus.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “When we do that, you can stand aside, saying you don’t agree but won’t prevent consensus. Or, if you have a moral…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…ethical or safety concern for the movement as a whole, you can block.” Blocks are very serious, like you couldn’t live w/ it.

Here’s a guide to the other hand signals that Sully is introducing now: http://t.co/VHmHwQl9 #nycga #ows

Working group reportbacks! Nan’s first. “Later on, I have an emergency proposal on the table; I’ll need your help. There was a situation…”

Cont’d: “..that took place in housing at West 86th,” says it’s not fair and GA needs to know about it. #nycga #ows

Nan is discussing last night’s issue at Spokescouncil where Women Occupying Wall Street suggested Housing mis-handled a safety issue. #nycga

Next: “After the eviction, I went home, to where I grew up, in Tampa, for a couple of weeks, only to find they had a small and very fierce..

Cont’d: “…occupation. I took part in a couple of actions w/ them. They disrupted a Mitt Romney fundraiser of which I was forcibly…”#nycga

Cont’d:”..thrown out a door! They also targeted an accounting firm that funnels millions of $ thru PACs and SuperPACs, pointing out..”

Cont’d: “…what’s really wrong w/ campaign finance. I’ve also done 2 protests against NDAA since returning to NYC…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…one at Obama campaign headquarters and one as street theater. They’re also planning something for #J21.” #nycga #ows

“That brings me to my proposal. Because they’re being harassed, and have had the largest arrest in Florida history trying to get an…”

Cont’d: “…occupation going. They had many arrested and spent all their money on bail. All their equipment was confiscated more than once..”

Cont’d: “..by the police. Now, someone has given them a private space, and signed it over; they have full right to use it 24/7 as long..”

Cont’d: “…as they want! So they have tents, and a kitchen, and a medical tent, and they’re preparing for the RNC, which comes to Tampa…”

Cont’d: “…this summer! So many of them were here on NYE, and they want to invite anyone who wants to go there to camp under a palm tree..”

Cont’d: “..for the Winter, or as long as they want to be involved. Anyone involved in WGs there is welcome to their tents and food..”

cont’d: “…as long as they want to stay. However, in order for them to have a big arrest able action on the FL primaries, they need to…”

Cont’d: “..replenish a lot of the $ they lost on bail and from confiscations. They’ve had some fundraisers, made $300 and $100 on things..”

Cont’d: “…but it’s not enough for January 31st in a city where they threaten to revoke bail, throw you in jail for 3 months, til your…”

cont’d: “…arraignment on trespassing charges. So I propose we provide them $1500 for bail and any equipment they need to make their…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…camp solid, and $500 to help any w/ housing issues in NYC to get there.” #nycga #ows

Opening CQ stack. CQ: “What would be the means of transportation?” A: “Depends how many want to go. If it’s 2, Expedia.com, $90 jetblue.”

Cont’d: “If it’s more than that, I personally have a court date in Tampa Feb 6. We could rent a van; I’ll drive them there.” #nycga #ows

Nan: “My question I have for you: is $2000 going to be enough? Florida is my home state. I have a love and hate for Florida. I will…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…support a friendly amendment later on. My question for you, if the $2000 is not enough, will you come back to the GA and ask more?

A: “No to the 2nd part, b/c I don’t think we need to pay for everything for anybody, but I think it’s important that we seed occupations..”

Cont’d: “…in parts of the country where activism is not the norm. For this to be happening in places like Tampa Florida, is important…”

Cont’d: “…to support. But they need to raise their own money as well. The second part, do I think $2000 is enough for 1/31? Yes.”#nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Because, unlike the last time they were arrested, they now, as of the last few days, have the NLG in Tampa. I think that..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…makes a big difference.” CQ: “If any wrkng groups or individuals want to donate after GA passes, will you guys accept it?” #nycga

Sully PoPs: “When we do CQs, we’re really looking for questions to clarify the proposal itself.” General info can be exchanged face to face.

Someone: “Listening to you guys, I went and took a house in an abandoned building. They locked me up! The first charge was burglary…”

Lauren POIs, “This space is a safer place to occupy.” Won’t have the kinds of issues of eviction. #nycga #ows

Next, Aaron’s CQ: “The $500 for occupiers to travel there- is that a set amount, or up to?” #nycga #ows

A: “It’s not even per, it’s total.” CQ is satisfied. Skylar’s CQ: “Hi! I’m from @OccupyTampa! When it comes to $ for bail, I know that..”

Cont’d: “..as ppl get arrested, the bail goes up. Over half of everyone arrested at @OccupyTampa so far will have their court dates..”#nycga

Cont’d: “…finished before the DA on the 31st, which means bail will go down.” That’s all, I guess it was a point of information, not a CQ.

OK, no more CQs, now stacking concerns and friendly amendments. “My friendly amendment, and I just want to make clear that I fully..”

Cont’d: “…support this proposal, is that the $ given to Tampa would be able to be given back to the NYCGA as bail $ is given back after..”

Cont’d: “…the arraignments. Because I know that bail money is only temporary.” #nycga #ows

A: “I would say the way it worked on December 1st is that they didn’t have enough $, even w/ several thou, to bail everybody out.”#nycga#ows

Cont’d: “..so they had to use bondsmen, which they won’t get back. That may well be the case again on 1/31, b/c Tampa’s very working class..

Cont’d: “…foreclosure capital of the country — really, really poor. So, I’d be willing to make a little bit of tht repayable, but not all.”

“How much?” someone asks. A: “500.” Next on stack, Steven. “Hi, this is a concern — the concern that I have is that the Tampa GA..”#nycga

cont’d: “…should be asking for this. So, that’s my question as well. Has there been consensus by the GA on asking #OWS for this?”#nycga #ows

A: “The short answer is no. The medium answer is that more than 40 ppl have emailed me saying they really want to do this on the 31st…”

Cont’d: “…I’m the only person they know in NY — help.” Nan’s FA: “Since we have passed $100,000 for bail, why don’t you take that $ frm…”

Cont’d: “…the bail? The reason is when that bail fund as added, there was a friendly amendment added that other places could take…”

Cont’d: “…money out for bail?” POI, Jail support: “Tho accounting brought the bail proposal, I was present for it; that FA was turned down.”

But Nan still wants to try to take it from the bail money. “No, that’s not the previous” consensus on that bail money. #nycga #ows

Zack: “Hi- It seems like my recollection, we recently gave $25,000 to #OO, but it may have actually been more ppl from #OWS than ppl…”

Cont’d: “…from #OO on the proposal team, and then after the proposal was made, I remember other members of #OWS informing me…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…that #OO did not reach consensus on the GA when this subject came up, and I felt it was a little out-of-process.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “I support giving $ to other occupations, but it seems to be… it makes sense, if the GA would have consensed upon it in Tampa…”

Cont’d: “…I’d feel better about it. Is that possible?” Accounting’s POI: “My name’s Haywood, I’m with Accounting. We usually don’t…”

Cont’d: “…vote on these things, so I’m just going to give a POI: in accounting, before we cut checks, we need a copy of GA minutes or…”

Cont’d: “…video of where a GA has accepted a proposal.” They need to see what their GA said exactly. #nycga #ows

Sully: “Many people are talking at once, which is confusing to me as a facilitator!” Hahah. They’re calling Tampa… #nycga #ows

CQer clarifies that a phone call won’t quite suffice; they need to bring a proposal to their GA. #nycga #ows

Sully suggests a friendly amendment: the money will only go out once Tampa’s GA has agreed on it and provided proof to OWS Accounting.#nycga

I think they accepted, but Haywood is clarifying… A: “My view is if this passes, you wouldn’t cut a check unless we can give you the…”

Cont’d: “…minutes from the Tampa GA.” Haywood sounds unconvinced, but admits there’s no standing rule against doing it this way. #nycga #ows

OK, that’s it for concerns/friendly amendments. Stairs: “At this point, we’ll check — can you restate the proposal w/ FAs?” #nycga #ows

Proposer: “I’m proposing we provide $2000 total, $1500 to be used for direct action bail, the other $500 for transportation for anyone…”

Cont’d: “…who wants to get there, and won’t be used at all if no one goes. And the money won’t be released to Tampa unless passed by…”

Cont’d: “…there GA, and the minutes are provided to accounting. And $500 of the bail $ will come back to #OWS after the court dates.”#nycga

Sully: “Now that the proposal’s been stated, I’d like to get a quick sense of how people are feeling about the proposal…” #nycga #ows

Sully: “Given that we were very positive on that, I’m going to go ahead and test for consensus!” Asks for standasides… 3. #nycga #ows

Sully: “And now I’ll ask, are there any blocks to this proposal?” Someone asks that he explains what a stand aside is. #nycga #ows

Sully: “A standaside says you disagree w/ this proposal, but are willing to stand back & let the group do what it wants to do.” #nycga #OWS

One stand aside wants to explain: “I think it’s a humble amount of money, and I support it. But I think it’s a reasonable process to wait…”

Cont’d: “..until they ask for it.” OK, and now Sully asks: “Are there any blocks?” “OK, given there were no blocks and only a few..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…standasides, this proposal has reached consensus!” Cheers. #nycga #ows

OK, next proposal by Jason Ahmadi. “I have a proposal to freeze all spending of the #OWS fund. What I’d like for this proposal is that..”

Cont’d: “…we spent 15 to 20 minutes to have breakout group discussion so that we can listen to each other and talk to each other..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…about this proposal. And I was told that I should check in w/ all of you to see if that was friendly.” #nycga #ows

He’ll explain first. “I passed out some proposal forms that have the detailed proposal. If there are extras, and you’ve read it, please…”

Cont’d: “..pass them around. The basic of the proposal is we would freeze all spending until we have another occupation.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “And this does not include the bail fund. My reasons for this proposal are many. One reason is that in planning #September17th…”

Cont’d: “…we wanted to create a public space for dialogue on the crisis. And my worry is, we spend every General Assembly & Spokescouncil..”

Cont’d: “…talking about financial proposals. We never talk to each other about why we’re here, about actions we can all plan together..”

Cont’d: “..about our goals for this movement. Another reason is that we’re running out of money – quickly. And before we do that, maybe..”

Cont’d: “…we should step back and decide what we want to really do w/ this money. Another reason is that I don’t want to depend on..” #nycga

Cont’d: “..economic capital for this movement. In my opinion, successful movements are based on human capital and social capital.” #nycga

Cont’d: “And economic capital is a good thing on the side, to support people’s movements. There are more detailed explanations in…”#nycga

Cont’d: “..my written out proposal, and I’m sure you all have really good ideas on why this is a good proposal or why this is a bad one.”

Cont’d; “So I would like to have breakout discussions, so we can talk to each other, and listen to each other on this proposal.” #nycga #ows

Sully takes a quick temperature check. “How do we feel about 15 minutes of breakout discussion in groups of wish?” #nycga #ows

Sully: “That’s looking very positive, so we’re going to go ahead and do that w/ our time right now.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “After breakouts, will we consense on this?” Sully suggests so. Jason suggests, “perhaps breakout groups can choose a pointperson..”

Cont’d: “…to do quick reportbacks before the consensus process.” So we’ll go through consensus after breakouts. #nycga #ows

Here’s a scan of the full proposal; I don’t think all of this text is on nycga.net. #OWS #NYCGA http://t.co/m7JNp47S

Folks in my breakout group not super excite about a full spending freeze, but talking about other things short of that, like cutting…

…spending, making housing and kitchen less expensive, freezing everything *but* kitchen and housing, making WGs self-sustaining…

…and/or having a grace period before a change kicks in. A few have given up homes and jobs for movement, but aren’t unanimous against it.

Someone who’s brand new to #OWS says a full freeze seems like not a great idea. He says his opinion may not be as valid but we disagree.

One suggests we deal w/ problem of money-oriented GAs by banning money proposals from half of GAs. Lauren is our scribe and is doing…

…a really good job of facilitating by making sure all of our views are reflected so the reportback when we return will rep entire group.

Someone notes that it seems crazy that we can’t find couches or guest rooms for 120 occupiers during winter. Lauren, who’s been a part…

…of the Housing Working Group, notes she thinks biggest issue is housing & doesn’t agree w/ how Housing is “paying to sleep in churches.”

OK, reportbacks. “Our group had a variety of opinions; some wanted to freeze funds so we can focus on our own resources from within.”

Cont’d: “Other people felt they’d like to not freeze the funds now, but freeze the funds in the Springtime.” #nycga #OWS

Cont’d: “Some people felt they didn’t want to freeze any funds, b/c ppl would be hungry and homeless and would return to their homes..”

Cont’d: “…and not be supporting #OWS. I think that’s it.” #nycga #OWS100

Next: “We don’t want to run out of money, but we don’t want anyone to suffer.” Thinks their FA will fix that.

Next report back: “My group, we talked about 3 points. 1 point we talked about, we do not want to freeze Housing, Medics, Food, Comfort…”

“…because people do live in those churches, and kicking them out is wrong. We want our food, comfort, shower, so forth, and we think that..”

Cont’d: “..taking it away would be wrong. And we need a bigger advance window.” #nycga #ows

Next: “My group was very mixed; we have several who are staying at churches who were actually interested in freezing the accounts.”

Cont’d: “We also had one of the ppl from accounting give us some information. That info didn’t change makeup of group. We also didn’t..”

Cont’d: “…come to a real agreement, but we did have a couple of ideas that might be friendly amendments.” Will save for FA stack #nycga #ows

Next, they felt that they are worried about spending, but don’t think we can just freeze funds. Want to have bigger $ convo than 1 GA.

Next: “Something really small to add, we’d like the focus of the GAs in particular to be more substantive, topical, talk about direction..”

Cont’d: “…of movement, not just repeated finance proposals.” Their FA would be to give a 1-week grace period on the proposal. #nycga #ows

Next: “The only general consensus we reached is we didn’t think a total indefinite freeze was a good thing; many WGs depend…”

Cont’d: “…on money to remain operating; kitchen being most important for me. But we need to become more self-reliant, and stop spending..”

Cont’d: “…so much money to solve those problems.” Feels money was given to people in park, not the park itself. “Many of us have…”

Cont’d: “..left everything to be here, so we have nothing in the eyes of the 1%. So I think many working groups should not be frozen..”

Cont’d: “..but made more efficient, more dumpster-diving-savvy.” #nycga #OWS

Next: “The way I feel; what went on before the money didn’t involve money.” Ppl who remember how beautiful it was before that want it to…

Cont’d: …be that way again. “the idea that we can’t operate w/o money is just wrong.” Notes the creep of cost/flexibility w/ money. #nycga

Someone asks him if it’s a group report back; someone from the group says it’s not quite accurate. “Necessity is the mother of invention.”

CQ: “It’s not clear, based on Spokes proposal, that GA can take financial power away from Spokescouncil.” #nycga #ows

A: They feel that it’s the GA fund, and GA can indeed freeze it. #nycga #ows

CQ: “After this passes, if GA passes a proposal approving money, would this proposal stand to make that proposal void?” A: “Yes.” #nycga

Now Concerns. “Those who have been counting on those funds may be driven to extralegal means once deprived, and be targeted by police.”

Next, Sage is concerned about small working groups that use $100/day to fill in small gaps, like his Restricted Diets working group. #nycga

Sage: “If the $100 a day ends, I’ll have to go back to negotiating with Kitchen, which is very stressful, and if that’s stressful for me..”

Cont’d: “..i can’t imagine how stressful similar things will be for each of the working groups that will have to do the same.” #nycga #ows

Sage: “The second part of my statement: We have people here, like social workers, who can get folks food stamps. Others have let folks..”

Cont’d: “..sleep on their floors.” Sage figures it out day by day, but has been able to find places to sleep. #nycga #ows

“So, if we do this, we’ll need something to make ourselves more accountable in sharing floor space & resources like food stamp experience.”

Cont’d: “My concern is that w/o a friendly amendment that is just as powerful as ‘no spending’, that says ‘forced sharing’, we’re going…

Cont’d: “…to not spend, and not share.” Hahah. “That’s the balance of that statement.” #nycga #ows

OK, that’s it for concerns, and we’re on time. Sully is temp checking an additional 10 minutes. #nycga #ows

(Sorry for the delay there guys, my iPhone and Mac forgot how to speak to each other. Weirdness.) #nycga #ows

Next, Volunteer Services would very much like to see “petty cash gotten rid of and groups needing to go to GA or Spokes w/ budgets.”#nycga

Cont’d: “This would make spending much more explicit. We had an issue where someone in our group spent money on things..” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “..not related to our group, in fact the opposite of what he was supposed to be spending money on.” Has left since being confronted.

POI: “In relation to what Ravi just said, from an accounting perspective, we generally spend $2-$3k a day on petty cash. Is significant.”

NExt: “We’re for the spirit of this amendment; we agree- any friendly amendment we’d suggest would change the proposal altogether..”

Cont’d: “…and we hope you’ll table this and take all the friendly amendments and work on a more comprehensive proposal.” #nycga #ows

Friendly amendment from another group: “Instead of entire month, let’s do 2 weeks; housing is paid for for next 2 weeks, wouldn’t be…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…affected,” food as well. “But I’m totally in your camp, Ravi, re: petty cash.” But agrees about having some GAs be for money…

Cont’d: …and some not for money. [Third time I've heard that tonight.] Next: “I’m not a regular occupier; don’t know needs of occupiers.”

Cont’d; “Maybe we should have a requirement that working groups making proposals frequently take a look and make sure they need…”

Cont’d: “..to be spending what they’re spending.” Hermes: “My amendment is 3-fold; first, I’d like you to include a way to look for new..”

Cont’d: “…ways to get money, meaning financing, in other ways we can find. Second, to eliminate all that is not necessary. Third…”

Cont’d: “…to have transparency between all, and to have books w/ the working groups that can be reconciled w/ the accounting, and have..”

Cont’d: “…them online.” Steve’s FA: “If the point of this proposal is that we can talk about things other than money at GA, we can easily..”

Cont’d: “…solve that problem just by designating time, like for first half hour, or on alternating days, for not talking about money.”#nycga

Lauren: “My concern is this proposal doesn’t address issues. Money is running out; folks are becoming dependent, but this doesn’t..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…make any suggestions on how we can be self-sufficient w/o money.” Was no money at first, should have GA on sustainability. #nycga

Cont’d: “I think we could have more budgets rather than freezing; I don’t agree w/ petty cash and it should be eliminated.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “So, to definitely have all the working groups propose budgets weekly, w/ maybe 1 or 2 GAs per week maximum.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d; “We need to reach out to the community more. The donations would flow more if we were more available to community in positive ways.”

Cont’d: “I think more ppl would know we’re still here. Many ppl think this movement died when park was taken — we know that’s not..”

Cont’d: “…the case, but they don’t know.” Should be more visible, doing outreach, show them where money goes so they’ll donate. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “And I don’t agree with freezing the bail money. At all.” #nycga

Next: “We need to phase things in, so ppl have a chance to prepare, and not a mass exodus” in panic. A FA would be, there’s a sharing…

Cont’d: …of information on how to obtain resources. “A lot of us know this, and others don’t.” #nycga #ows

Zack: “I was in a group w/ Alejandro, and he expressed it already so I’ll be quick. We think this is too complicated to be fixed tonight..”

Cont’d: “…a lot of good issues raised by it.” Notes he has a blocking concern, and is aware that 4 or 5 ppl have blocking concerns too.

Nan: “My friendly amendment is what me and my group spoke about: housing, medics, food cut in half, and medics not frozen.” #nycga

Cont’d: She notes that ppl need those things, and if they go back home “we have a dead movement.” For food, can augment w/ dumpstering.

Cont’d: Nan also suggests we need to raise our own funds by networking w/ other organizations. “That way we can get more skill..”

Cont’d: “…and then we come together and have a fundraising day and bring the money back to the movement.” #nycga #ows

Zack suggests that it would be a shame if after all this discussion and development, we not make “some kind of agreement w/ this group.”

Zack’s FA is that we delay for a week, and make it a month-long spending freeze. Will give groups time to prepare. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Then WGs could bring forward explicit budgets to explain what they’d want to spend for the next month.” #nycga #ows

Steven: “I have 2 concerns: my first concern is that this proposal is not necessary. If the GA doesn’t want to spend $, they shouldn’t.”

Cont’d: “If there is a proposal to spend $500, don’t pass that proposal. My second concern is, there’s a major loophole. I’m concerned..”

Cont’d: “…that loophole will be exploited. That loophole is that it doesn’t affect the bail fund.” What might result is that instead… #nycga

Cont’d: “I support the bail fund, for bail purposes. I do not want ppl bringing proposals to raid the bail fund.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…of spending money from the general account, ppl will ask for money from bail fund for non-bail purposes.” #nycga #ows

POI: “Of course the GA can undo the bail fund, but @OWSAccounting understands it’s a fund, for *bail*.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “How does this affect connected groups like Occupy Staten Island, etc?” A: “Our budget and bail fund is explicitly only connected to..”

Cont’d: “…#OWS until and unless proposals come requesting money.” That’s it for FA stack. #nycga #ows

Sully: “I want to do another quick straw poll here; who wants to go ahead through some kind of consensus process right now versus tabling…”

Cont’d: “…#OWS until and unless proposals come requesting money.” That’s it for FA stack. #nycga #OWS

Cont’d: “…so proposers can go through some of the FAs offered and bring it back to a later date?” Actually Jason volunteers to do so. #nycga

Jason: “I got a styrofoam plate of your amendments! [It's true actually.] This is a complicated proposal; I will take exactly one week…”

Cont’d: “…and bring it back next Saturday at the GA, and I’d request that everyone who cares about this proposal come talk to me..”

Cont’d: “..so we can create a proposal that serves my intention of making sure the GA is about how we work as a movement, and not…”

Cont’d: “…how we spend money.” Thanks us, because this was a great conversation. And we applaud, because it’s damn true. #nycga #ows

All right! Sorry about some concepts that got dropped in that, technical difficulties always happen at the worst times. #nycga #ows

OK, next is Nan’s emergency proposal. We’ll hear it, and then decide whether to discuss it (i.e. if it meets definition of an emergency.)

Sully: “An emergency proposal is a proposal that has an external deadline that is immediate and not fore-knowable.” #nycga #ows

Nan: “The proposal that I brought was, an incident that happened, and a certain group did not properly address or handle it.” #nycga #ows

Nan says a man who allegedly raped an 18-year-old in the park got out of jail after 30 days on $50k bail and went to same church his…

Cont’d: …victim was at. “Keep in mind, that victim worked with us, and we had a restraining order against that guy.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “The victim voiced her concern, let them know she didn’t feel safe in that place because of this gentleman.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Rather than calling me or other women’s working groups, Housing decided themselves to have a jury of 15 ppl b/w victim..” #nycga

Cont’d: “..and the gentleman. And they asked for both of them to basically give the details out. That’s a concern to us as women. This..”

Cont’d: “..is an emergency proposal. GA needs to come together, especially to protect women, gays, lesbians, altogether. We are..”

Cont’d: “…here together to make a movement, to come together as one. We’ve already been targeted by the police; we don’t want..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…to keep being targeted by rapists.” Nan says there’s already a court process involved, w/ lawyers, and what happened was.. #nycga

Cont’d: …disclosed to certain people. “We need to talk about what we’re going to do. If we can have a breakout session, come back together..

Cont’d: “…to figure out how we’re going to work this out. Because we’re dealing w/ a system that doesn’t really like ourselves that much..”

Cont’d: “…and we need to prepare ourselves. It’s very serious.” “What’s the proposal?”, I hear several people wondering. #nycga #ows

Nan: “The proposal is this: I’d like a breakout session to figure out what we’re going to do about the situation that took place; it was..”

Cont’d: “…brought to the Spokescouncil, but we felt like it wasn’t properly addressed. So we need to address it tonight.” #nycga #ows

.@NegestiC: POI: “Last night the #SC decided to enforce that ppl asked to leave the park, 3 of them, after being accused of assault and..”

Cont’d: “..sexual assault not to come to our meetings even though we no longer live in the park.” #nycga #ows

Stairs asks us to temp check whether we think this is an emergency. Lauren wants clarification: “I heard some things earlier about ppl..”

Cont’d: “…who are running Housing didn’t allow that person to be removed. So is the issue not just to prevent coming to meetings..”

Cont’d: “..but also to prevent him from being housed?” Nan says yes. Someone explains that what @NegestiC “included that.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Anyone who breaks the community agreement according to what Spokes consensed on, won’t be allowed in the community.” #nycga #ows

POI: “They agreed that these ppl couldn’t re-enter space until the community agreement from Safer Spaces is completed. Not indefinitely.”

Nan: “Yes, but in the meantime, we need something in place in case something like this happens, we know how to deal w/ it before Safer…”

Cont’d: “…Spaces proposal.” Lopi says, “I heard today that the point people from housing tried to claim that the GA did not consense…”

Cont’d: “..that this person was kicked out.” Nan: “Yes, that’s why I’m here saying that.” Sully asks if we have enough info to temp check.

Someone notes that they heard proposal for breakout discussion; huh? Nan clarifies she wants proposal to come from breakout groups. #nycga

Stairs: “So your proposal is ‘how do we address ppl who break community agreements?’” Sully: “There’s a rule in the GA that proposals…”

Cont’d: “..are supposed to be posted for 24 hours in advance unless they’re ‘emergency proposal.’ We can discuss whatever we want..”

Cont’d: “…but we can’t discuss a proposal unless we approve that it is an emergency proposal.” Would need to do after breakouts. #nycga #ows

Lauren’s POI: “I used to be in housing, and the 2 pt ppl, Jeff and Jason, who have been handling responsibility and delegating authority…”

Cont’d: “…never in GA, when this park existed, did the GA consense that someone kicked out couldn’t come back in. We never had…”

Cont’d: “…discussions like that. When I was assaulted, I dealt w/ the cops, I posted flyers.” Doesn’t think we need to consense on this.

Cont’d: “He was arrested, and the charge was made by the victim– I think that’s enough.” If we break out, should discuss how we hold…

Cont’d: …Housing WG accountable “for who they let in the church.” CQ: “Can we not just let those in charge of churches know that these are..

Cont’d: ..not safe people to let in? Nan clarifies that they decided to ignore it. Sully: “There are a lot of hands in the air, but we as..”

Cont’d: “..a GA need to decide what we’re doing with our time right now before we do anything else.” Temp checks whether this qualifies..

Cont’d: …as an emergency proposal. Many support, but there’s still confusion about what we’re consensing on given blurriness of proposal.

Sully: “Can we do 10 seconds of silence? Because these are really hard things to talk about, and I know for me, it really triggers a lot.”

Sully says what’s not clear to him right now is what the GA’s role in this is. “It seems to me there’s work that needs to be done outside..”

Cont’d: “…of this meeting, unless there’s a proposal that this meeting can decide whether to hear as an emergency proposal.” #nycga #ows

Nan restates that Housing decided to ignore what happened. “There should be rules in place for those individuals that allow raper to be..”

Cont’d: “…around victim.” Wants a rule to protect rape victim. “Nobody asks to be raped. It’s a sad thing to be raped.” #nycga #ows

People shouting out of process: “Make 3 coordinators step down.” “Make Jeff step down.” Sully notes ppl up twinkled that. #nycga #ows

Sully: “I still haven’t gotten a sense of a proposal that GA can do anything with right now.” OK, so Nan makes proposal to have…

Cont’d: …the housing ppl step down, because it’s wrong for them to create that situation. Nan is very upset. #nycga #ows

Sully: “We just got an articulation of an emergency proposal: that we as a GA consense that there are 2 ppl basically acting as point ppl..”

Cont’d: “..for housing, and that the GA consent on asking them to step down.” “Does this body feel we can consider this as an emergency..”

Cont’d: “…proposal right now?” “OK, so that looks pretty good, that we can spend time to consider it.” #nycga #ows

Sully notes that those who didn’t feel it was an emergency proposal can express that during Concerns segment of consensus process. #nycga

OK, now opening stack for clarifying questions “that you need answered to understand proposal well enough to have an opinion on it.”

CQ: “You’re talking about saying somebody raped somebody, and it needs to be clarified: are they going to trial, are they convicted..”

Cont’d: “…or is it just alleged?” He’d hate to be condemned by “a new system” we might set up, before even being convicted. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: Many things wrong w/ current system, “but it does give you your day in court.” Nan says she was there when it happened. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Tar and feather,” the last CQer says as he steps down. Melanie: “Nan, I’d like to know how you’d like us to enforce making them..”

Cont’d: “…step down.” Nan says it’s on WoW and Safer Spaces to make that happen. Last night she tried to bring it up “and was ignored”…

Next: Justin. “Nan, I just wanted to say that her question was basically my question: would the GA basically say to Jeff and Jason that..”

Cont’d: “..you’re simply not allowed to be point people for Housing b/c of your disrespect of women who’ve been assaulted?” #nycga

Cont’d: “Also, should we make a statement to the churches too?” Someone else says they spent an hour at the church and was “extremely…”

Cont’d: “..distressed”- “As soon as I heard the word Jason, who was one of the ppl who threatened me, I was very concerned.” #nycga #ows

His question: “I do understand the concern about somebody being penalized before judicial system” — someone PoPS him. #nycga #ows

POP: “Yesterday, the Spokescouncil said specifically, no one who has been kicked out, can be part of #OWS.” Says they didn’t wait for…

Cont’d: …consensus, they just kicked him out “because he’s a fucking rapist.” “We don’t do conviction,” we as a community kicked him out.

Cont’d: “What we’re discussing tonight is how to deal w/ the ridiculous irresponsibility of Jeff and Jason.” #nycga #ows

Sully reminds us not to try to become the jury considering the facts of what happened / allegations. “What we need to decide is how..”#nycga

Cont’d: “..we as a community respond to allegations.” POI: “Re: Jeff, he’s repeatedly been asked to step back and facilitated his..” #nycga

Cont’d: “..own removal,” and has dodged it. Next: “2 Qs: are these ppl here to be part of this discussion or are we going to do this in..”

Cont’d: “…abstention; are we comfortable w/ that? Also, is housing going to step up if we remove these ppl?” #nycga #ows

Lauren POIs: “We repeatedly asked Jeff and Jason to step down; I left housing as a direct result of how Jeff had taken over. He was…”

Cont’d: “…constant facilitator of our meetings.” Lauren will step in if Jeff and Jason are removed. #nycga #ows

Lauren: “There are ppl willing to come back to housing, if Jeff or Jason are willing to revoke some of their role so we can try to..”

Cont’d: “…alleviate these problems. And we need more female leadership in Housing.” Sully sympathetically notes she’s gone beyond POI.

POI: Neither are here now, but one was informed this would happen but chose not to be here. #nycga #ows

Lauren: “If we need to make a list of reasons why Jeff should be removed, maybe we could add that to the proposal.” #nycga #ows

Lauren: “We’ve tried to do this w/ Jeff present, and it doesn’t work, so I don’t think it matters if they’re not present.” #nycga #ows

Lopi: “I’d like to clarify that if GA comes to decision about this, the GA is allowed to enforce that. We don’t need WG to take it on..”

Cont’d: “…if it goes into the minutes, the GA is empowered to enforce this if it comes to consensus.” Nan says she loves GA; once…

Cont’d: …GA consenses to that, it goes into affect. “They’ve got to step down, that’s it.” #nycga #ows

.@CarrieM213: “How do you expect GA to come to consensus when we only have 1 side of the story? And is there a precedent for the GA…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…asking the point person of a working group to step down? Would this be a new precedent?” Answer is no, no precedent. #nycga #ows

CQ: “Have they been formally invited here w/ enough lead time to get their shit together?” Says is believer in due process. #nycga #ows

Nan says she informed them she’d bring an emergency proposal; they laughed and said “hell, no.” #nycga #ows

Bob: “Has anybody talked to legal about this? And can we also add into the amendment that anybody who is charged w/ assault..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…of any kind be banned from housing and meetings?” Nan accepts that friendly amendment. #nycga #ows

POI: “This is an emergency proposal. I live in the church. There has been a rape trial held in the church by Jeff, presided over by Jeff.”

Cont’d: “It’s a flagrant abuse of the power he’s not supposed to have.” He’s not here now b/c he’s empowered himself to make agreements..

Cont’d: …with the “Pastor of a church that is housing 100 occupiers.” #nycga #ows

Some confusion about whether this is about Jeff/Jason or person they let into the church. It’s about asking Jeff and Jason to step down.

CQ: “by virtue of what authority do these two individuals hold their existing positions WRT housing? If their authority is self-created..”

Cont’d: “…then they have no authority.” Nan says they appointed themselves and bully everybody and we need GA to stand up to them.

Christine: “I think this may be a necessary conversation, but I have a blocking concern that I don’t believe in trials in absentia.”

Christine says she doesn’t believe they were informed, according to info she has. Suggests we table this proposal until next GA. #nycga #ows

Christine: “We don’t do trials in absentia!” “This isn’t a trial,” someone says. Sage is next: “This friendly amendment is not going to be..

Cont’d: “…simple; it’s an idea. This problem is endemic: whoever’s in charge, there will be complaints against them and they’ll be valid.”

Sage says whoever is put in charge will be eventually “exhausted and abusive.” suggests we provide support structure so they can step down..

“…w/o fear that the things they do well won’t be done well.” Notes that in a volunteer movement, folks stepping up should be… #nycga

Cont’d: …met with excitement: “thank god!” Haywood’s FA: “WG autonomy is an important thing. The GA makes decisions, but we never told..”

Cont’d: “…them how to run the working group and I’m not sure GA has power to ask them to step down.” suggests GA express that their…

Cont’d: …behavior is unacceptable and strongly recommend that they step down. Nan accepts. Someone suggests it might be better… #nycga

…”since these ppl’s roles are basically figments of their own imagination,” that we contact churches directly and say we oppose these ppl.

A: Nan notes that conflicts w/ Haywood’s FA. Someone else notes whatever we do should still be communicated to the churches. #nycga #OWS

So, the FA that church will be notified in writing is accepted. Lauren: “If we don’t ask them to step down, they’ll continue to abuse..”

Cont’d: “…those roles we’ve appointed themselves.” Sully PoPs b/c it’s bigger than PoP. Lauren: “OK, my FA is that housing…”

Cont’d: “…will become a group effort” where responsibility and power are evenly distributed. “Housing should be re-formed and roles..”

Cont’d: “…redesignated.” Next FA would try to force them to step down, ban those accused of assault from housing, and that anyone in…

Cont’d: …future be asked to step down automatically in similar circumstances. Sully steps in and notes proposal needs to stay relevant..

Cont’d: …to the emergency nature of the proposal. And that the component to make them leave housing conflicts w/ Haywood’s FA.

Next: “Anything involving sexual assault, rape, needs to be dealt w/ quickly.” Says Jeff and Jason sound like “psychopaths.” #nycga #OWS

His FA is that they need to be removed for their malfeasance. Sully & Nan agree that’s outside bounds of an emergency proposal. #nycga #ows

Someone else proposes to force them to step down, and Haywood re-explains his FA. Lopi’s C they may ignore a recommendation to step down..

…so we should also highly recommend someone step up, and that we assert housing runs as horizontal organization. #nycga #ows

Jason’s biggest concern is that this infringes on WG autonomy. Notes his proposal on WGs not meeting during GA was blocked for same reason.

Jason suggests we table and let Housing WG work it out. Nan does not accept that as friendly. PoI: “Housing WG has already asked Jeff to..”

Cont’d: “…step back several times, but he tabled it himself.” FA: “concerned this could be a witch hunt; wants a way for ppl to appeal.”

Someone FAs that we prevent GA funding for housing from going through either of these ppl. Someone notes the Housing $ actually…

…goes through Spokes. FA suggested we give someone else that point person role WRT any GA powers. #nycga #ows

Sage again says he doesn’t trust the villainization of individuals when the issue is the system. Not defending them, but thinks they…

Cont’d: ..are approachable and have offered him access to Pastor, in his experience, when they’ve disagreed. #nycga #ows

[I'm on thumbs, sorry.] Sully restates proposal: “GA reccommends to Housing WG that Jeff and Jason step down, affirms that Housing…”

Cont’d: “…should be run horizontally with no one empowered above anyone else, and that churches should be informed.” #nycga #ows

Someone restates FA to make Lauren as pt person, Lauren says she just agrees to come back to Housing if they step down. #nycga #ows

Ok, Sully is tempchecking how we feel. “That’s looking good; I’ll go ahead and test for consensus.” Any standasides? 5, 6. Some may explain.

Anthony is standing aside only b/c Jeff or Jason aren’t here. “I have no problem w/ someone else stepping up, but I wanted them to be here.”

Next standaside is Joseph, from Picture the Homeless asks why we need housing & how many housed are here to participate. Some ID themselves.

Ok, there were 12 standasides. Sully: “Based on the number of standasides in this group, it seems we don’t have consensus.” Some remove…

…and so we move to check for blocks. First block: “This infringes on working group autonomy.” POI: “you don’t have to remove your block..”

Cont’d: “…you’re just presenting a falsehood.” notes that we are just recommending, not kicking anyone out. #nycga #ows

Jason’s block stands. Sage’s block: “How many ppl are housed at 86th st church? 100. How many here now? Like 3. You’re making…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…decisions for ppl who aren’t here.” Sage says tho that his block is because these issues are systemic, not individual. #nycga

“This proposal doesn’t solve problem as I see it: this proposal is opportunistic. I don’t think this will stop anyone from being assaulted.”

Folks are reacting emotionally, tho not super tensely. Just filling air w/ ideas. Sully calls for 10 seconds of silence, then reminds us..

..that right now, certain “people are being asked to speak, and I’d like the rest of us to just listen.” Continuing to next block. #nycga

Daryl is blocking b/c Jeff and Jason are not here. “The person should definitely be able to be here in this situation.”

Daryl also says we need a grievance process before we can do this sort of thing. #nycga #ows

Ravi: “Nan, when Yoni put up a proposal to ban you, I opposed it.” “I’d never let anyone do what you’re doing here to you.” #nycga #ows

PoI: “Jeff has been voted out twice by housing, and has ignored it twice, continued role. It’s b/c he’s disempowered whole group” tht this..

..is here. “Jeff will not respect democracy. This is our attempt to get the GA to affirm what’s already bn decided in Housing.” #nycga #ows

Nan responds to block. “I appreciate yr blocks. It hurts me that the victim would have to relive that again… For him to continue..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…coordinating housing means she may not feel safe there again.” Nan becomes overwhelmed, & after a couple of min Sully continues.

Ok, we’re moving to modified consensus. “if you’re in favor, raise hands high.” Sully is counting now. #nycga #ows

23 in favor. Now counting opposed… 9 opposed. “It does not have modified consensus; it does not pass.” #nycga #ows

Sully: “This does not need to be the end of this conversation; another proposal can come.” suggests we take a deep breath. #nycga #ows

Next Housing mtg is tomorrow at noon, Monday at 3:30. Someone asks we all come, Sully volunteers to facilitate. #OWS #nycga

Sage thanks us. “We celebrate that we have consensus; I want to celebrate fact we acknowledged that we didn’t.” #nycga #ows

Announcements queue is opened. First: “I have an invitation from an organization that preserves the Earth’s tropical rainforest and to..”

Cont’d: “..create a new world of equity for all.” two members will give a presentation Monday, noon, 60 wall. We’re all invited! Will…

…address question of what it will take to create an environmentally sustainable, just human society on earth. #nycga #ows

Next, I announce that the @LibertySqGA team will meet Sunday at 6pm at 60 Wall! Come down and join us! #nycga #ows

Goldie: “We’re doing a radio show, and we’re working on a segment of who we are and why we occupy!” he’d love to record us! #nycga #OWS

Ok, that’s it for announcements- & for GA! ?s, comments, concerns, discussion, get at tonite’s tweeter: @diceytroop. Thanks fam! #nycga #ows

Jason from housing wasn’t there tonight, so all Jasons who spoke weren’t him. RT @OWSTranslation: @LibertySqGA3 are these 2 diffrent Jasons?

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RT @heratylaw: RT @OWScom: Tonight: Spokes Council at West Presbyterian-165 West 86th St at 7pm. #ows

@mikecane thanks man!

Hey, we’re starting tonight’s #OWS Spokescouncil! Nicole and Zack will be facilitating tonight, so we’ll call them Stairs for short. #nycsc

Spoking tonight: Brett for Facilitation WG, Gilbert for Where Workers are Owners, Bill for Council of #OWS Elders, Will for Housing…

…Rachel for Media, someone from Think Tank, someone from Library, Drew from Tech, Shawn w/ Translation, Bobby for accounting…

…@ZoeTreuer for Minutes, Sanitation, Safer Spaces, @NegestiC from Women Occupying Wall Street caucus… Negesti says WoW want to discuss…

Cont’d: …an issue of safety regarding someone who was accused of sexual assault in the park. Nicole notes that caucuses can pause…

Cont’d: …the spokescouncil process, although WoW’ve apparently agreed to let us do working group reportbacks while they’re dealing w/ it…

Cont’d: …outside the main #Spokescouncil meeting (“maybe downstairs”.) #nycsc #ows

You can follow here and on the overflow accounts, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, @LibertySqGA4, for when each gets twitterjailed. #nycsc #ows

First working group on stack for reportbacks: Translation. “We just want to announce that we are an operational working group.” #nycsc #ows

(This is the operational spokescouncil, so operational groups are included. The meaning of “operational” has been cloudy since eviction.)

Someone notes that all groups who show up are “operational” until the new rules about the level of activity a working group has to…#nycsc

Cont’d: …maintain to stay a “working group” kicks in on the 20th. Someone says they thought that new groups would be addressed on…

Cont’d: …the 20th, but Zack (@j_z_nelson) explains that the rules apply to all working groups. #nycsc #ows

Jake, Tech: “The proposal passed the GA on the 20th to define what working groups are. That kicks in after a 30 day period.” #nycsc #oss

Cont’d: “Last time, we decided that until the 20th, anyone who wants to participate has a spoke. The first spoke after the 20th…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…the rules kick in.” We can also establish further restrictions above the general basic rules about working group eligibility.

Think Tank reports back that they are meeting in the Staten Island Ferry Terminal, but it’s hard to get public involved unless there are…

Cont’d: …people participating. They’re meeting at 2pm at Times Sq, at the TKTS steps (so they’re mobile). Sunday 2pm, steps of Met.#nycsc

Steve, People’s Library: “Quick factual info: Library still exists, we show up at as many events and actions as we possibly can.”

Cont’d: “Today we collected 100s of new books; we collected more books today than were recovered after Liberty Square eviction!” #nycsc

Applause for Library. Zoe, Minutes: “We had a great working group meeting yesterday, talking about some good things– including recruiting!”

Cont’d: “If you like to type, if you want to type, or transcribe from home — any of these things, please let us know.” #nycs #ows

Next, Outreach. “We’re going through some interesting transformations; we have an Outreach cluster now due to recognition that…”

cont’d: “…everyone in this movement does outreach, whether you like it or not!” Also, contact owsprint@gmail.com to use printing budget.

Media WG: “We’re going through a bit of a transformation this week; hasn’t been totally approved yet but passed proposal to reorganize…”

Cont’d: “..our structure so that our weekly meetings will be divided into subgroups. We’ll have livestream, and editorial content…”

cont’d: “…subgroup meeting; still meeting Thursday at 6.” This will help them collaborate more closely and efficiently on projects. #nycsc

Next, Gilbert from “Where Workers are Owners.” “Some ppl here know me, some don’t; I’m a pianist by trade. We’re a well-supported…”

Cont’d: “…affinity group to help #OWSers that need work.” Recognize economic sector is sick, and #OWS works in all aspects of society…

Cont’d: …to bring justice. “We’re organizing group self-employment; how to get work for ourselves quickly.” They got office space on…

Cont’d: …to bring justice. “We’re organizing group self-employment; how to get work for ourselves quickly.” They got office space on…

Cont’d: …Atlantic Ave in Brooklyn — if we move to co-operative models, “this will marginalize the 1%. A substantial part of the…”

Cont’d: “…revolution is working for ourselves.” #nycsc #ows

Tech: “Tech is going to present a super-awesome budget proposal tonight to fund different services that we think y’all will be interested…”

Cont’d: “…in having for everybody.” Also continuing work on a mass email system, which would essentially mean that all groups could share…

Cont’d: …lists of email addresses, “so you could do one to many email blasts.” For example, could send info about events. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “This is a service we’ll begin offering soon, I hope — if you’re interested in helping develop policy around how this is used…”

Cont’d: “…because this is a very powerful tool, we need a very strong policy.” Email tech@nycga.net. #nycsc #ows

Nicole: “While WoW is still convening downstairs, I don’t want to move to consensus on anything, but we can talk about what’s the agenda.”

Zack notes that the Outreach proposal on the subject of a system for banning disrupters from Spokescouncil was tabled last time…

Cont’d: “The other things on the agenda so far are a proposal frm Housing, a proposal from Tech, &, if we have time, a proposal from Media.”

Nicole temps check how we feel about moving on to Outreach proposal. “Most ppl are feeling good about it; is that OK?” #nycsc #ows

Nicole: “Let’s go ahead and open that back up, and get through that process. So…” #nycsc #ows

.@wookietv asks: “What was that proposal, and why did it stop?” Stairs: “I think we ran out of time.” #nycsc #ows

OK, Outreach isn’t quite ready, so Will from Housing will make their proposal. “I have the proposal here, if anyone wants to see it.”#nycsc

Here’s the Housing proposal, which is their Working Group budget: http://t.co/Gh1MbP79 #nycsc #ows

Housing: “Park Slope is still holding together; hasn’t changed AFAIK. $70 a night there = $490/week, so for 2 weeks, $980. That’s for..”

Cont’d: “..heat, hot water, sleeping 30 ppl a night.” At West Park, $150 a night, heat, hot water, housing 100 ppl.” #nycsc #ows

Total is $3680. Housing: “It’s pretty straightforward.” Nicole: “OK, that’s the proposal. We’re going to break into Spokes right now…”

Cont’d: “…and see if there’s any clarifying questions.” 2 minutes to speak w/in Spokes. #nycsc #ows

OK, Stairs now opening stack for clarifying questions on the proposal. Library: “Are you guys taking questions and concerns separately?”

Stairs: “Yes.” They clarify that this is a time for clarifying questions only. Media: “Members of my group would like to know a little…”

Cont’d: “…bit more about the group of people” staying in the churches. A: “Some are… freeloading; less than half of them, but…” #nycsc

Tech Ops’ CQ: “Do you have — it’s not really that clear; the formatting of the proposal. About how many ppl are we housing?” #nycsc #ows

SPSA: 90 to 96 ppl, Park Slope 30; CQ: “So it’s about 120 people?”A: “Yes.” CQ: “For about 13 days, for 2 places, we’re paying $3600…”

Cont’d: “… to house 120 ppl?” A: “Yes.” No more clarifying questions stacked. Now, time to stack Concerns. #nycsc #ows

Library’s Concern: “I’ve been getting a lot of info about how our finances are starting to dwindle, but before we approve this…”

Cont’d: “…it would be good to know what we’re dealing with funding-wise every meeting.” Notes Accounting are here. #nycsc #ows

Also, “Library is just sort of concerned/curious how long you mean to house ppl in churches – indefinitely? I mean, in spirit, we support..”

Cont’d: “..what you’re doing, but it doesn’t seem really what #OWS is about, housing people.” Accounting says we have about $215,000…

Cont’d: …but there’ll be some accounting, bookkeeping, and tax-paying down the line, so we’ll have ’150-ish.” #nycsc #ows

(That’s not including the $99,999 legal/bail fund we established last week.) #nycsc #ows

Next, Media WG has a POI: “To keep this current situation up for 9 days is only $2,600.” It’s about $2 a person. #nycsc #ows

Media’s concern is more or less the same as the Library spoke expressed. “We’re with you in spirit, but under current circumstances..”

Cont’d: “..might not be sustainable, especially since the information that was clarified about the fact that some ppl are “freeloading”.”

TechOps: “Did we pass a measure that says ppl in housing from a certain day forward have to be in working groups?” #nycsc #ows

More questions about how long Housing intends to operate in churches. Indefinitely, until “we find a warehouse or something better.” #nycsc

DA: “40% of the ppl that stay here are out of state.” Not an exact number, but “it’s very close to that.” #nycsc #ows

Drew, TechOps, POP: “The entire group should be able to speak while delivering a proposal, not just the spoke. In interest of time.”#nycsc

Stars were split on that, and temp check it. “For tonight, right now, we’ll do that.” General discussion at another time about it.#nycsc

TechOps’ Concern: “Our concern is just the formatting of the proposal. We would just like to see a breakdown that’s, you know, a little..”

Cont’d: “…more cost, per person, per night, per space, and — a little more structure, and we’d be happy to help you guys out if we need..”

Cont’d: “…and as a friendly amendment, even tho this isn’t quite the correct moment, we’d like to see proposals come in a more…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…structured way, so we can inspect the cost of housing,” address what Library and Media brought up. #nycsc #ows

TechOps notes that they won’t block if FA is not accepted, but Housing does accept it. #nycsc #ows

Someone notes it’d be $6500 a month going forward based on current proposal. (This proposal is costlier due to SPSA $ due.) #nycsc #ows

Strong Women Rules: “Will you guys be coming back to #spokescouncil w/ a proposal for more $, and if so, how do you propose funding yrself?”

A: “These fees are not rent; these spaces we’re in are donated spaces. They’re very explicit; they’re for reimbursement for utilities- hot..

Cont;d: “…water, gas, etc.” SPSA bill also included cleaning and security services, but we’re not using them at West Park (using our own.)

Cont’d: “We are exploring ways to self-fund, mostly through outside groups that donate to our project directly.” Haven’t done that tho.

Next, Council of Elders: “I’m not sure how many ppl are per– there’s going to be 2 churches? Is it possible to consolidate to 1?” A: “No…

Cont’d: “…we’re at capacity here. We’re at 100 ppl; they originally wanted 60. The Reverend is cool. He’s agreed on 100. Park Slope is 30…”

Cont’d: “…it would be impossible to put the two groups together.” Nicole notes that we’ve allocated 30 minutes for this, & can’t consense…

Cont’d: …until WoW comes back. Facilitation rotates spokes: Jason speaking. “We had a few things; one’s not quite as directly related…

Cont’d: “…to this proposal, but we’d like to see use of this space to coordinate our budgets. So when $ proposals come up, groups can…”

Cont’d: “…coordinate each other, so things like ,how much money we have, are already in the room,” so that we can use our time to…

Cont’d: …fullest extent. (“Resources”, he said actually.) “If you’re going to raise funds for yourself, you have to be an affinity group?”

(And not a working group.) “Because it’s been asked how Housing’s doing it; it seems like even if they were to raise funds now, it’d..”

Cont’d: “..have to go to big pot, come back, have this; they wouldn’t be able to do it directly.” That’s of concern. “Utilities, since…”

Cont’d: “…we’re not paying rent — are those full utilities for these buildings? It’s a portion of them?” Housing confirms. #nycsc #ows

Facilitation Cont’d: “And then, if you could speak to how we’ve come to a place where we are housing ppl — that this is a charitable..”

Cont’d: “…thing to do, while the purpose of #OWS in my view is to address root causes of issues, not to be a charity, tho I fully…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…support taking care of our own, that’s really important.” Wants to know what other resources Housing has been able to pt ppl to.

A: “We’ve got a program called “House an Occupier,” we’ve put ppl in private spaces a few times. Mostly churches, b/c they’re large…

Cont’d: “We’ve pursued schools, putting them outside at another occupation; looked into leasing and cost is just astronomical.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “I think one of the greatest concerns is that we’re not social services; we’re not trying to recreate that system.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “We think we serve an important function in this organization, which is housing ppl who want to be involved in this organization.”

Cont’d: “A lot of ppl don’t realize we still have ppl arrive all the time; about half the ppl here didn’t live in NYC before the movement.”

Housing says they help ppl join movement, find roles and working groups, while they receive housing. #nycsc #ows

“Previously, there was a friendly amendment to require participation in working group”; they have something like that it sounds like. #nycsc

OK, WoW has returned, so we’re freezing the proposal for a second. @NegestiC: “We met downstairs and had a discussion — basically…”

Cont’d: “…what we discussed is there was an individual accused of sexual assault in the park and was one of few asked to leave, not return.”

Cont’d: “The individual came to church, slept here but left late last night. We’re hoping the SC will endorse agreement already made in…”

Cont’d: “…park, to prevent him from participating in #OWS, until Safer Spaces proposal (which includes component on dealing with those…

Cont’d: “…accused of abuse) is passed.” This is not about one individual, but anyone who was asked to leave Liberty Square pre-eviction.

Nicole notes that’s a proposal, and we’ll discuss it right now. Housing proposal still on the table; we’ll come back to it. Caucus…

Cont’d: …proposal takes precedence. @NegestiC: “We’re asking SC to stand by agreement made in the park,” til Safer Spaces proposal passes.

Nicole sees some PoPs and PoIs; but “we’re not going to open up discussion until we discuss w/in our working groups.” 5 minutes. #nycsc #ows

OK, we’re back. Before CQs, @NegesticC reads a quote from the Safer Spaces proposal, which explains that folks who have…

Cont’d: …committed abuse or violence must go through certain steps and confirmed recovery to re-enter the community. #nycsc #ows

Minutes’ CQs: “1, what’s the enforcement policy if someone is identified as fitting that criteria?” #nycsc #ows

A: “We’d like to refer to De-escalation and their experience to deal w/ these individuals.” All those in question have been asked to leave..

…Strong Women Rules WG also state that there was a restraining order against this individual, as well. #nycsc #ows

Minutes’ 2nd CQ: “Who identifies these people, specifically?” POI: “I’m one of the 2 ppl who had him arrested and can ID him conclusively.”

A: “We are specifically talking about individuals who’ve already been asked to leave; someone told me there are only 3 and this community..”

Cont’d: “…knows who they are, and it’s not a list that would be created.” Town Planning notes list would need to be shared w/ Housing.#nycsc

POI: “It’s an order of protection, and not a restraining order.” “It’s the same thing,” someone says. “It’s not the same thing,” others say.

Housing say they’re very concerned b/c 3 nights ago they ended up housing one of these ppl and not knowing about it. #nycsc #ows

Housing: “Is there possibly a list of these ppl so housing could know or other WGs could know?” #nycsc #ows

A: “De-escalation has it; it shouldn’t be a long list.” Someone notes that there are ppl in housing who did know and asked them to leave.

POI: “There was an order of protection at first, but there is now currently a restraining order.” Food is ready! We’re not stopping tho.

Think Tank’s CQ: “At the time, was there a consensus process about the decision to ban him from the movement? Is it documented somewhere?”

POI: “At the time, this was covered by fact the individual pressed charges and he was under arrest. We still don’t have means of excluding..

Cont’d: “…someone from the group,” so don’t have a process of articulating a “ban” or anything. #nycsc #ows

Mediation NVC POI: “It’s very important to enforce a restraining order if it’s violated; otherwise it can be considered invalid.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…document; we’ll probably need to go through it.” Other occupations, they note, have taken some time to pass such things. #nycsc

Cont’d: “…after the fact.” Concerned that when we say “a community agreed,” that’s something that needs to be d0xed and shared. #nycsc #ows

So, it’s a stopgap — that’s the clarification TechOps were looking for. Archives asks if there is a distance in the restraining order…

Cont’d: “What’s the timeframe for when the community agreement will come into effect?” A: “It would need to go thru GA; it’s a long…”

Cont’d: ..and what the details are. “Just b/c there’s a restraining order doesn’t mean he can’t be around.” #nycsc #ows

Archives’ spoke notes that they have a restraining order against someone in the movement; as long as they’re not approaching each other..

Cont’d: “The only way you’re going to know how to help this person enforce this restraining order is if they give you a copy.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…that’s how we negotiated it. Restraining orders are all different.” Someone agrees, says they can have many different specifics.

Strong Women POI: “It’s stated that they cannot be in the same space as one another. That’s it.” #nycsc #ows

WoW: “We as proposers are not making stand on individuals’ guilt, just want to make sure space is safe,” prior to Safer Spaces process.

CQ: “Does OWS own this location?” A: “No.” CQ: “There are 3 individuals?” A: “This is brought up by one who returned, but this is about 3.”

CQ: “What does the church feel about this? We’re spending a lot of time on this, and agree it shld be a safe space, but it’s not our space?”

A: “It’s an individual restraining order, not a movement thing; we’re asking for the movement to take a stance.” #nycsc #ows

No more CQs, now opening Concerns stack. Library: “Library supports you in what you’re trying to do; concern’s kind of general…” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…I’m kind of confused as to whether you’re trying to deal w/ spaces in general or people in particular, but since I don’t…”

Cont’d: “…stay in churches, I feel unqualified to make this decision on behalf of ppl who do.” #nycsc #ows

WoW: “We echo that concern. But Spokescouncil meets in the same place now where folks sleep.” We may run into them. #nycsc #ows

Facilitation’s Concern: “If we don’t pass this, individual won’t be able to participate in this space b/c it will be unsafe for them.”#nycsc

WoW: “Yes; women in general feel really uncomfortable when one of us feels so unsafe.” Strong Women Rules WG suggests that since there…

Cont’d: …are 2 living spaces, we should have the individual go to the other space from the individual they attacked? #ows #nycsc

[That strikes me as an odd stance for a working group thts supposedly oriented towards supporting female victims of abuse. -Ed.] #nycsc #ows

A: “We don’t accept that proposal, simply b/c there are women sleeping in these spaces, and whether he’s guilty or not, to be accused..”

Cont’d: “…of sexual assault is a really serious thing, and we don’t feel comfortable saying ‘he can be here but not here.’” #nycsc #ows

OK, that’s it for Friendly Amendments. Now taking a temperature check on how we feel about moving towards consensus. #nycsc #ows

“Looks pretty good. Are there any blocks? Hold yr sign up.” No blocks! “We’ve got consensus on this proposal.” #nycsc #ows

.@NegestiC, WoW: “Thanks, this means a lot to women in this movement and you stood behind us in a big way.” #nycsc #ows

A clarification: “Sexual assault doesn’t happen only to women; this was for whole community, only raised by women.” #nycsc #ows

OK, we’re going back to the Housing proposal, which again is about money for paying for housing in churches. #nycsc #ows

CQ for Housing, tho “to everybody”: “The 1% would like to see us fizzle out, but most of us are nt going anywhere. So, how do we stay here?”

Cont’d: “1 is functioning.” Big ups the co-ops again. “This gives us permanence here. The other one is housing — OWS Housing. I’m very..”

Cont’d: “…concerned about this.” There are many who’d like to live in own place as activists, but starting w/ most displaced… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “Have you considered some of the how many thousands of bank-foreclosed buildings in NYC for our own permanent OWS residences?”

Cont’d: “Because we’re staying here, right? We’re working here, living here, and then the 1% really won’t know what to do with us.” #nycsc

Housing: “Please, help us as much as you like! It would really help us out!” POI: “I don’t know what the legal situation is in new york…”

Cont’d: “…if you want to turn issue of squatting into landlord-tenant issue,” go for it. [Stairs PoPs that one.] #nycsc

Next, friendly amendments. Town Planning: “1st, for any cases in future when #OWS has been charged w/ crime, we not offer them housing.”

Cont’d: “Secondly, if there is a consensus meeting where this is discussed at housing, request that person not be present.” #nycsc

A: “Housing does not feel empowered to exclude anybody from this movement. We certainly respect decisions made by #OWS and the GA, and…”

Cont’d: “…when they’re documented, we will enforce them whenever possible. Since in this case there was no documentation, couldn’t do it.”

RE: banning all accused of crime: “Housing does not feel empowered to exclude people based on movement issues; must go thru GA.” #nycsc #ows

TP restates: “It’s my understanding that when community met to discuss this issue, the individual was present as a participant.” #nycsc #ows

A: “The individual was not present during the discussion, by intent. Cmmnty consensed to idea he should at least be able to state his case.”

Cont’d: “Had it been brought to our attention that he’d been excluded from mvmnt as whole, would have been different convo.” #nycsc #ows

WoW: “Our concern is that it wasn’t a safe space that was created, and we’d like that you all try and include safer spaces in these kinds..”

Cont’d: “…of discussions.” A: “We were emphatically told that Safer Spaces wouldn’t be participating in Housing unless we made changes.”

Jeff (Housing) said they’d asked for mediation but none had happened, but they invite SS. “We feel we’re nt getting the full participation.”

Stairs closes stack. “We’d like to move towards closing stack.” Strong Women Rules is next. #nycsc #ows

SWRWG: “Our FA is that housing find a space for this individual. It doesn’t have to be w/ any females or other occupiers, but this…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…individual is still part of this movement.” Lots of irritation at that, but Nicole stops it. “We have a process that allows us…”

Cont’d: “…to hear each other. We don’t have to shout out; it’s not necessary.” Safer Spaces: “What Jeff was saying about SS not dealing..”

Cont’d: “..w/ housing, it wasn’t SS, that was a WG called Support that is one part of the Safety Cluster. Don’t call it SS, OK?” #nycsc #ows

Mediation says the mediation is still open. “No one has declined mediation from Housing AFAIK.” Jeff: “In fact, we spoke to individual…”

Cont’d: “…again, and expressed concern of community. He left out of concern for his own well-being and community at large.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “He is a human being, and still needs housing and shelter. We tried to find him an alternative, but *not* inside the movement.”

Cont’d: “We can’t make a decision about what happened — it’s not our right to do so. We tried to find him some alternative.” #nycsc #ows

POI: “This individual’s been free on bail for a month; only turned up a week ago. Clearly he has some way to support himself.” #nycsc #ows

Nicole stops the back and forth. “We’re going to go back to stack for FA and then see what we have, OK?” #nycsc #ows

Nicole: “I also want to remind everyone that what we’re discussing right now is the budget proposal from Housing. Right?” #nycsc #ows

FAs to Housing proposal. Think Tank: “FA that someone wld stay in housing only after being signed off by a wrking grp, like w/ Metrocards.”

Housing accepts that amendment. POP from Jason: “I don’t know that we can make a decision w/ 2 or 3 ppl talking to make decisions that…”

Cont’d: “…will affect housing across the board. Accepting a friendly amendment w/ only 2 or 3 members of Housing” is out of process. #nycsc

Nicole notes that we’re out of time, and asks us to be succinct and on track. “Any group that’s here w ppl from grp, that’s the WG.” #nycsc

Next, Direct Action: “Our friendly amendment: to put in the process orders that ppl have to be in a working group, unless they have..”

Cont’d: “…some kind of out of state ID to prove they’re from out of state.” Say if they can’t maintain a WG for a couple of wks… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “10, 15% of ppl panhandle during day, then use resources at night.” So, suggests you should need to be in a WG. #nycsc #ows

.@shawncarrie Point of Processes the DA spoke for speaking w/o consulting w/ his working group. #nycsc #ows

Someone notes that the DA amendment is the exact same proposal. “If you want the same one again — sure!” #nycsc #ows

The next FA is to empower housing to make the decision amongst itself on if they want to exclude someone based on safety. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “To empower housing w/ that — there are overnight shelters; I live in one; where someone can go.” Notes serious safety concern.

Nicole clarifies that we’ve already passed WoW proposal, in case ppl are confused. “We’re on the Housing proposal.” #nycsc #ows

Stack is closed on friendly amendments. A: “The Housing WG really doesn’t have the infrastructure for that.” “We find housing.” #nycsc

Restating proposal w/ friendly amendments. It’s the budget allocation, plus an amendment that you must be signed off by WG to…

Cont’d: …stay in #OWS housing. And also, that next proposal will be broken down more helpfully. #nycsc #ows

Another FA: “Going forward, anyone we’ve caused to be arrested would not be able to get housing.” #nycsc #ows

Also, that Safer Spaces would be involved. “We accept their involvement and will follow whatever the GA agrees upon.” #nycsc #ows

POP: “It was stated that FA needs to go thru GA to be part of this proposal.” Nicole notes assertion is that it’s a movement-wide decision.

Some ppl are not so sure. CQ: “The ppl who are in the housing, are they in working groups, are they occupiers?” #nycsc #ows

POI: “Housing is a working group. We’re all occupiers.” POI: “Since we’re dealing w/ ppl coming from other occupations…” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…to stay here, Facilitation believes that’s a movement decision b/c we’re dealing w/ outside ppl coming to stay.” #nycsc #ows

@MY_LOAN_DEFAULT hahah. housing is saying their job is to find housing, not to enforce a ban list. #nycsc #ows

Accounting: “Accounting feels #Spokesouncil was made for financial, logistical purposes; any spending has affected other ppl coming in.”

Cont’d: “If anything that affects outside ppl is movement wide, we don’t see how it’s possible that anything would not be movement-wide.”

Housing would like to honor the request, but isn’t sure whether they can in #NYCSC. Nicole notes that it’s a larger question than this…

Nicole notes that if ppl think it’s bigger than just this, and shouldn’t be decided in here, Spokes can vote accordingly. #nycsc #ows

Facilitation reverses its previous statement “after further discussion”, agree that this issue can be resolved by Spokescouncil. #nycsc #ows

Nicole is asking for standasides. Facilitation stands aside “because we’d like to see longer-term solutions that align those in need..”

Cont’d: “…w/ resources outside of #OWS, rather than providing services ourselves, which we don’t see as primary mission of mvmnt.”

Cont’d: “Our goal should be to help each other and to #occupy space, not to pay for it.” Accounting stands aside on financial matters…

Media are also standing aside for same reason as Facilitation. OK, any blocks? 1 block. WoW: “Our block is 2fold — one, proposer made..”

Cont’d: “..statement saying they’d follow proposals passed by GA; this body just passed a proposal related to housing.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “Also, we’re concerned about housing’s decision-making process about who’s staying in housing and who’s not, feel needs addressing.”

Nicole asks if WoW has an amendment that could remove their block. They’re discussing. #nycsc #ows

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WoW: “We’ve conferred, and our friendly amendments are that Housing agree to adhere to proposal #SC just passed, and to work w/…”

Cont’d: “…safer spaces in determining who gets housing,” then they’ll remove their block. #nycsc #ows

Housing again articulates they very much want Safer Spaces involved, but there was some disagreement. “I thought we accepted that amndmnt..”

They accept both amendments. “Lovely, awesome!” Nicole says. WoW are discussing whether to lift their block. #nycsc #ows

OK, WoW has decided to lift block and just stand aside. “We are concerned about Housing’s response to women in this movement.”

Cont’d: “Our 2nd concern is that you guys need to work w/ Safer Spaces b/c we’re concerned about whether housing is a safe space for women.”

Jeff from Housing says, with great indignation, that he’s offended by the suggestion! “What am I, a racist too?” #nycsc #ows

Nicole: “Oppression happens in the margins, OK? It’s not always apparent to certain parties, we need to respect how ppl feel when they…”

Cont’d: “…feel it.” Housing: “You mean like how we feel?” Nicole doing a great job of trying to keep this from devolving. #nycsc #ows

Nicole: “Let’s hear each other and maybe have some real dialogue, OK?” WoW POI: “5 women approached Jeff about rapist from park being..”

Cont’d: “…in housing, and they were brushed off, until a man went to talk to him, at which point it was dealt with.” #nycsc #ows

Some members of Housing are up in arms about the unspecificity of the initial suggestion. “We’re being accused!!” [OH NOES! -Ed.]

.@NegestiC: WoW are putting our block back up b/c of the response they got. [Mixed opinion on this. I think it's awesome. -Ed.] #nycsc

Someone else blocks. “I’d like the financial aspects to pass, but not the other component about control”, i.e. throwing ppl out. #nycsc

They’d like to talk about the “kicking people out” component at another time. Jeff: “At no point ever did Housing say we’d throw ppl out.”

Cont’d: “That friendly amendment, we took it to require being involved in the movement.” It’s about involvement, not exclusion. #nycsc #ows

Anti-Racist Allies: “We strongly ant to pass the financial component but strongly disagree w/ the exclusion. This mvmnt is abt helping ppl.”

Housing: “For last 6 to 7 weeks, 1 of hardest things we’ve had to do is go from Park to these Church spaces.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “And trying to figure out how we can figure out a safe, drug-free, educational space that pleases you, pastor…” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…it’s hard to figure out how to keep ppl involved” — exclusion “doesn’t work anywhere” in #OWS & “we’ve nded to find our own way.”

This is Jason from Housing, by the way. “What is going on here? You’ve always been invited. We were told that you would not come if we…”

Cont’d: “…didn’t do it your way. The Pastor got up and said, “eff this,” so did I.” “It’s not a sexist place.” Ppl disagree out of process.

Cont’d: “Whose standards are we being held to? Come on down. Add to our community. Equally. Not as overseers, not as ppl running a program..

Cont’d: “What is going on here? We have a wonderful community; it’s one of the most peaceful, chill places I’ve seen at #OWS.” #nycsc #ows

Nicole asks we stop our side conversations. “I can’t force you. I can’t make you. I’m just asking you to” stick w/ process. #nycsc

Nicole notes there’s an unaddressed block. “The question I asked is, is it possible just to pass the financial component?” #nycsc #ows

A: “Me and Jeff argue about this all the time, to determine delicate balance b/w someone who is or isn’t going to get involved.” #nycsc

A: “Jeff wants to do it quicker, I want to do it slower… problems come from street, mental health, addiction — how do we find tht balance?”

Nicole is sensing a lot of disagreement from Housing Working Group, she says… things seem to be paused for a second… #nycsc #ows

Facilitation Working Group interrupts a few minutes of stall to ask what’s going on, and Stairs clarifies Housing is about to respond.

Housing dude’s volume of his voice just elevated alarmingly. “Listen now!” “We want to move fwd w/ just a budgetary proposal tonight…”

Cont’d: “…as other issues” seem bigger, need bigger discussion. Nicole: “What you’ve just seen happen, is Housing accepted…” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…friendly amendment that came from that block. So the proposal on the table is only the budgetary aspect.” #nycsc #ows

Housing also wants to take out any other friendly amendments that don’t have to do w/ the budget; WoW balks. #nycsc #ows

Someone from Chicago: “You want to know why you’re being called sexist? It’s that they’re trying to talk to you, and you’re ignoring them.”

Nicole: “That proposal seemed to get a strong reaction from Women Occupying Wall Street.” Gives them the floor. #nycsc #ows

WoW: “We may stand aside, but there needs to be a specific date set, within next week, for mediation b/w all the parties that…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…have been saying that this is an alternate reality being presented here. There’ve been lots of ppl that have offered their help…”

Cont’d: “..and we want that to be accepted humbly, not via ultimatums.” #nycsc #ows

WoW notes that the amendments were all badly needed, seem alarmed that things have gone opposite of direction block was meant to move them.

WoW is asking that we back up to where we were, they’ll remove block given assurances of mediation, and then we can test of consensus on…

Cont’d: …whole proposal. Someone else says that if we move forward w/ FAs, they’ll remove stand aside and vote for it. #nycsc #ows

Library agrees with Media, will also remove standaside, vote for proposal if all friendly amendments are reincluded in addition to $ part.

That settles in the space a little bit. Nicole mic checks, but someone asks “why is housing all men?” #nycsc #ows

Nicole: “We’re not going to get anywhere if we keep stoking the fire. We’re trying to get to an agreement here, so ppl can have housing.”

Cont’d: “I honestly think we can come to a place where we can value that, and work out the other stuff later. OK? It’s almost 10.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “I honestly think we can come to a place where we can value that, and work out the other stuff later. OK? It’s almost 10.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “Can we figure out a way to get this done?” Asks Housing to restate. “We’re asking for $3680 to pay for 2 weeks” for 130 ppl/night.

“FA accepted: that we’d restructure next proposal to be more accountable w/ breakdown, per-person, per-night, per-location.” #nycsc #ows

“FA accepted: that all ppl who stay in housing must participate in working groups.” Someone balks, chatter resumes… Nicole deads it again.

Nicole: “We can refine it; let’s put something on the table, and move on.” Jeff: “FA: We’ll abide by all decisions made by the GA, Spokes.”

Nicole: “OK, that’s the restatement of the proposal. Who’d like to stand aside on the proposal?” 4 standasides. #nycsc #ows

Nicole: “Are there any blocks?” 3 blocks. WoW: “Our block is removable by a promise that before end of this week, Friday, there be…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…a specific meeting held including at least one member of WoW, one of Safer Spaces, Mediation, one of each of Safety Cluster WGs..”

Cont’d: “…and one (inaudible) — excuse me, I’m speaking to you, will you listen to me?” He says he has ADD & can hear no matter what.

WoW cont’d: “And also, that when people want to help you, you take it as help, and not as overseeing.” Housing accepts. #nycsc #ows

Next block is about exclusion based on working group. Nicole clarifies: “I want to clarify this for everyone, b/c this is not about…”

Cont’d: “…taking away all the amendments, it’s about taking away the requirement that all in housing have to be in working groups.” #nycsc

Media notes that if that amendment is removed, Media will stand aside, not vote for the proposal. #nycsc #ows

Housing feels they can’t move forward w/ that amendment included in proposal. They’re going to take out working group requirement… #nycsc

That change does seem to have removed all blocks. There are 8 standasides, though. [Fascinating questions about process raised here. -Ed.]

Someone asks how many WGs are voting for the proposal. Think Tank, who added the amendment, offers to remove standaside if convo continues..

Cont’d: …but standasides don’t have any ability to impede proposal, so they can’t really leverage it. We have consensus on proposal. #nycsc

Media asks if you had as many standasides as vote for, would that be consensus? Nicole: “No, not meaningful consensus.” #nycsc #ows

OK, we’re ending the meeting! Doing it w/ a unity clap. This marks perhaps the first time we have ended before physically needed, rather…

…than with a stressful overtime period! That’s exciting. #nycsc #ows

Thanks for reading, fam! As always, hit me up w/ questions, comments, concerns over @diceytroop. Much love. #NYCSC #OWS

Tweets for Thu, 05 Jan 2012

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RT @wookietv: @LibertySqGA this i believe is the petition that was passed around last night, http://t.co/QVzAtumL

RT @sparrowmedia: @LibertySqGA can you make an emergency announcement that #OWS protestors in #Kano #Nigeria are being shot at w/ live a …

RT @sparrowmedia: @HelloFrances @libertysqga thanks, mixed reports coming in, but the count of 42 injured & 7 critical was confirmed abo …

Hey y’all! We’re starting the GA here at Liberty Square – first GA here of 2012! Stay tuned here and at @libertySqGA2 & @LibertySqGA3 #nycga

Brett (@PoweredByCats) and Carrie (@carriem213) co-facilitating tonight, if that’s cool with all of us. (mad love!) #nycga

Stairs is reviewing the consensus process now. A few changes lately, mostly around taking more temp checks to see how we’re all feeling.

Brett: “You don’t have to love the proposal, but if you’re okay with the group moving moving, you can voice personal concerns w/standasides”

“Blocks involve the community as whole, not personal concerns. We address blocks as community-wide concerns, they’re very serious.” #nycga

“When the consensus process has failed, we need to resort to Modified Consensus, or a vote. MC is simply yes or no. We need 9/10 to proceed”

Carrie: “Anyone here for the first time? (some) yay! I’m gonna review hand signals!” [Oh nostalgia...] #ows #nycga

Done reviewing hand signals, now opening stack for Working Group reportbacks. We won’t be using People’s Mic tonight… #ows #nycga

Healthcare for the 99%: We are a working group at #OWS! There’s a dinner to talk about turning hospitals into for-profit enitites… #nycga

…”and we’re hosting an alternative breakfast to give people information and education” #nycga #ows

@justinstoned from Info/ComHub: We’re trying to bring information back to the park! We need help, but we’re working w/ other WGs.. #nycga

Lauren from Minutes: Hey all! Minutes are super important, to remain transparent and preserve our story! If you have fast fingers… #nycga

…”then come join minutes! We need your help!” #nycga #ows

Jason from @OWSFacilitation: Great idea or newcomers to come to
Intro to Direct Democracy, every day at 5:30 @60WallSt! #nycga

@shawncarrie from Direct Action: Hey guys! We had an action on Monday against #NDAA, which basically rips your 6rh Amendment rights.. #nycga

…”out of the Constitution and shits on them-so we stomped around midtown and had a flashmob at Grand Central. We are #winning!” #nycga

Now done w WG reportbacks, now going on to an emergency proposal:Stairs notes that Emergency Proposals arise out of unforeseen circumstances

Jason: “My emergency proposal is to freeze all spending of the general fund. I was part of original #Sept17 planning team, and our idea..

…”was to provide a space for public assembly and dialogue. But we’ve lost that. Talking about $ at GA every day prevents us from”..#nycga

..”having the conversations we need to. So my proposal is to freeze all spending, except for bail fund, until we have a new occupation”

“I couldn’t figure out the process of how to sign up on the website and submit a proposal, so I was 4 hours late, that’s why it’s an EP”#ows

Stairs is taking a temp check if we think that this fits the descriptions for an Emergency Proposal. Very negative. Moving on. #nycga #ows

Is Comfort here to present its proposal? No. Is Nan here to present? No. Next is Stop Stop&Frisk #ows #nycga

“Hi! We’re Stop Stop&Frisk! A little background, the #NYPD has a policy of stopping people and searching them.” #ows #nycga

SS&F:”88% of people stopped and frisked are young black males. People don’t know their rights. So we are asking for $2,00 per week…” #ows

Now opening stack 4 CQs: @justinstoned:”Have you talked to other WGs who might be able to help you with your costs? Sounds like they could”

CQ: Is that $2,000 budget a one-time budget, or weekly?” A:”Weekly budget.” #ows #nycga

PoI: @OWSScreenGuild can help you! Email us at owsScreenGuild@gmail.com! Any WG can work with us! #nycga #ows

CQ:”Can you clarify your relationship w Harlem Children’s Zone? You said you worked w them.” A:”We just met w them first time today.” #nycga

…”We hope to work with the kids, in the neighborhoods where stop & frisk happens.” #ows #nycga

Now moving on to stack for Concerns & FAs. First:”My FA is that you work w other groups, like A+C, ScreenGuild…” #nycga #ows

“We’re cool w working w Screen Guild for t-shirts, but we won’t be able to do that with the buttons and metrocards.” #ows #nycga

Concern: “We have 130 WGs, $2,000 per week for one WG is way too much” #nycga #ows

Concern:”My concern is that you don’t understand our process and what is available to you in this community. That concerns me.” #ows #nycga

Proposers:”@OWSAccounting told us that we should ask for food as part of our budget, bc we are usually too far away from @OWS_KITCHEN”#nycga

Someone from Accounting:”I’m sorry that someone told you that, we’ve had trouble finding desk staff, but that’s not our group policy.”#nycga

Stairs notes that we’ve run out of time on this proposal. Temp check on extending time? Pretty mixed… The proposers have tabled. #nycga

Next proposal is Policy on Blocks. Sean is proposing: “At every stage in the process, facilitation has the ability to say “that’s not a CQ”

..”but doesn’t ever comment on the validity of blocks. We’ve had a consistent problem with people blocking into the double digits..”#nycga

“…People not blocking for valid reasons that are relevant to the community as a whole. ‘I want a pony’ is not a valid block.” #nycga #ows

Proposers are talking kind of fast, find the proposal here: http://t.co/S65X17zN #nycga

Now on to CQs: “My understanding of Modified Consensus is that it is used to weed out frivolous blocks.Are we going to continue that?”#nycga

A:”Yes, we will still be using this new protocol in conjunction with Modified Consensus” #ows #nycga

Nan:”Sometimes people block bc they’re uncomfortable to speak, and they may have info for the whole movement but not want to say it.”#nycga

“Nan: This proposal seems to want to silence & marginalize people. Are you trying to take power away from the people?” #nycga #ows

small argument breaks out between Nan & the proposers, but ends with proposer saying he will not respond to that concern. “#nycga #ows

CQ: “How can a group of people decide whether a personal’s opinions are valid or not?” #nycga #ows

A:”Blocks are not personal opinions, they are moral, ethical, safety concerns on behalf of the ENITRE MOVEMENT” #ows #nycga

CQ:”@shawncarrie: Can you clarify if I’m right? This proposal is not to silence anybody, it’s to empower the whole group to decide..”#nycga

“…to decide together if a block is valid for the whole community. Is that right?” A: Yes. #ows #nycga

Concern: @Nash12: “I’m concerned that this protocol will not solve these problems, but only further elongate the process.” #ows #nycga

“Modified Consensus should root out these problems.” @NegestiC and @j_z_nelson also echo that concern. #ows #nycga

Concern: “I had a long conversation with the author of this proposal, and we basically agreed to disagree.” #ows #nycga

“…What this proposal basically does is give the group to ability to silence someone’s voice if we don’t like them…” #ows #nycga

“… and that’s not what we’re about.” #ows #nycga

Concern:”I think this might alienate people who block, and turn it into a popularity contest and turn them away from being with us.”#nycga

A:”This would apply to everyone all the same.” #ows #nycga

Concern:”I know people already bring a bunch of friends to GA when they want to block, and people might now start to rally to block blocks.”

Stairs notes we’ve run out of time on this proposal again. Temp check is mixed, Proposer tables: “I don’t wann hammer anything thru” #nycga

Next Proposal: Remove 99% Declaration Group from NYCGA.net. Nobody here to present. Next is a proposal for new group, “Liaisons & Advocacy”

Jason is presenting: the proposal can be found here: http://t.co/dwSfTgGn #nycga #ows

“You said you want to bring groups together.. That’s a loot of work. Have you tried joining other groups to do that work?” #ows #nycga

Someone gets up on a rant, can’t tell if he’s part of proposal team or not. conversation is mixed…

“We want to work to bring groups together, work with new people to get involved with the movement…” Ravi PoI’s:… #ows #nycga

Ravi:”Hi! I’m work w Volunteer Services-we’re doing a LOT of the same things as you. We’d love to have you work with us! Want to?” #nycga

Proposers having back&forth, can’t hear… Ravi PoI’s again:”Hate to do this so much bc you guys have great ideas, but…” #nycga #ows

“..But ComHub does some of those same things every day.” Proposers: “We’re not necessarily trying to do exactly what ComHub does” #nycga

Stiars notes we’ve run out of time. Temp check looks mixed… Deciding what to do. #ows #nycga

Proposers do not want to table, but we do not give consent to give more time. Proposers are bummed. #ows #nycga

@shawncarrie PoI’s: “This group not giving consent to keep talking doesn’t mean that you can’t do the work you wanna do. Ppl made offers..

…”to join them and do the work you wanna do,I suggest you take them up on that.” #ows #nycga

Next us is Strong Women Rules:”We had a proposal to disband Spokes Council, but we’re not bringing it today. Instead we wanna talk about..”

Nan: “Spokes Council is not working because of egocentric, powergrabbing people.” #ows #nycga

Nathan: “Tell me if we’re on the same page-#nycsc is for working groups, GA is for the movement. Last night we approved $ Medical” #nycga

“..Last week at GA, we had proposal to give $ to @OccupyOakland – if that had been at GA, I would have agreed that SC is out of bounds”#ows

Nan talks way too fast for me to keep up. Sorry, but that’s why we have minutes! They’re like Livetweeters 2.0! #nycga @carriem213

Someone:”I believe people w skills should be putting themselves out there and connecting, and Spokes Council allows them to do that”#nycga

Stairs notes that we’re out of time. Someone PoP’s that we run out of time because we don’t close stack on time. #nycga #ows

Other proposers who weren’t here still aren’t here, so that’s it for the agenda! Now moving on to announcements #nycga #ows

1st: Tomorrow, we’re having a debrief on #J3 action against #NDAA 2:00 @60WallSt – also at 5pm, conversation on your constitutional rights

We will be having regular affinity meetings about #NDAA @60WallSt Friday at 5pm and Sundays at 3pm.

Next:We’re going to have an action tomorrow at Bloomberg’s mansion starting at 2:00 @ 79th St & 5th Ave. Bring cameras! Film the police!#ows

“We are getting arrested and beaten and there are NOT ENOUGH CAMERAS IN THE STREETS!” #ows #nycga

Think Tank: We need facilitators to go have Think Tanks in Washington DC on #J17! We got a permit to be on the steps of the Capitol! #nycga

Stairs: Hey y’all! @OWSFacilitation meets Tues/Thurs/Sat at 4pm @60WallSt! Also Intro to Direct Democracy at 5:30! Come be a facilitator!

@shawncarrie: Hey y’all! [This is me] DA meets every day except Saturday! Come to our meeting tomorrow for #J3 debrief, and Intro to NVDA!

That’s all for GA tonight, folks! Looks like we’re gonna soapbox now, I’m definitely gonna do ‘anticapitalista’… #ows #nycga

This has been @shawncarrie for Liberty Square GA Livetweets, see you next time! #ows #nycga

Tweets for Wed, 04 Jan 2012

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RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA2 People misunderstood this temp check and stairs restated. Group decided they wanted to finish Nan’s prop …

RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA2 IMPORTANT.Should be reflected in minutes. GA wanted to finish Nan’s proposal, then she tabled. She knew …

RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA2 And now GA will have to hear the proposal again! Nan completely disrespected the GA tonight. This needs …

.@HelloFrances [I hear your frustration but Nan's not the first one to do this; she has the right to change a proposal and bring it back.]

.@HelloFrances [Being able to do that is crucial b/c it lets ideas be improved. Also, proceeding to consensus in no way changes that...]

@HelloFrances (…wouldn’t hv changed her ability to bring it back, as satisfying as it might have been to temp check the *proposal* down).

Hi! Tonight’s #OWS Spokescouncil is starting now. Stairs wants to know if we want to do something “quick and fun” to get settled in. #nycsc

Stairs: “Twinkle if you have a dog.” “Cool.” “Twinkle if you..” “have a cat, love chocolate,” “prefer vanilla ice cream to chocolate”…

Cont’d: “dance,” “sing,” “sculpt,” “if you’re married,” “if you’ve got kids,” “if you have siblings,” “if you’re an only child.” (Laughs).

Cont’d: “…if you live in new york city,” “outside of new york city,” “if you stay here in this church.” Twinkles up in sequence. #nycsc #ows

“Anyone have any other suggestions?” “If you came from a different state to be here?” Someone suggests “if it’s your first Spokescouncil”..

4 or 5 newbies. “What month you got here?” Lots of Septembers, many Octobers, some Novembers, few Decembers. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “Twinkle if some of these things are really important to you: civil liberties,” “political reform,” “a sustainable environment,”..

Cont’d:”..alternative currencies,” “women’s’ issues,” “poverty,” immigration, animal rights, education reform.” #nycsc #ows

People make suggestions. “Racial equality,” “international equality,” others. Other stairs jumps in: “Who wants to start Spokescouncil?”#ows

Temp check on starting Spokes is a definite go! Stairs are recruiting timekeeper, stack taker, and vibes check. “Raise yr hand..” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…if you need an explanation what that is? A vibes checker is a person who is looking around the room to see if the room needs…”

Cont’d: “…something other than what’s happening right now in the room.” “They sense the room is becoming unreceptive to what’s happening..”

Cont’d: “…and might do an energy break, a joke, a game,” etc. That done, stairs says “there are a few things I’d like to consense…”

Cont’d: “..on before we start. are we ok w/ timing responses to 1 minute?” Lots of up. “Anyone want 2 minutes instead?” No. #nycsc #ows

We’ll do reportbacks and announcements first… “are we ok w/ stopping the meeting at 10:30?” Yes. “One thing we haven’t had a chance…”

Cont’d: “…to do much is to set an agenda for the next spokes meeting before we end this one, so we’ll try to do that…”

Cont’d: “…and also a session of constructive feedback for facilitators at the end of the meeting. Are we ok w/ that being the end of the…”

Cont’d: “…meeting?” They ask for 10 minutes; someone suggests we set a little more time because “we like to discuss the agenda.” #nycsc

Someone asks what proposals we have on tonight’s agenda. “We have 2 brand-new proposals; maybe more agenda items will come up…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “..when we go around and ask for additional items.” “How do you guys feel about setting the agenda right now?” #nycsc #ows

Temp checking agenda first… but one of the Stairs notes that one suggested hand signal meaning “facilitation, go get ‘em,” (people are…

Cont’d: …arguing that’s not quite right) in the case of disrupters, which is like fist-bumping yourself. [Been told the proposal to use...

Cont'd: ..that hand signal was for it not to be a motion but just to hold fists together. But it turned into fist bumping, which...]

Cont’d: […turned some of the original proposers off to it.] Anyway, we’re going through the agenda. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “I believe we start usually w/ working group reportbacks and announcements. Are we OK w/ making that our first agenda item?” #nycsc

Robert says “we haven’t actually determined that Spokes are the only ones speaking here — are we at the point where only Spokes speak?”

Stairs: “We were going to get to that. You’re way ahead of me, Rob.” Agenda: “There are 2 proposals: one from the medics, and one from…”

Cont’d: “…sustainability group.” Some of the unfinished business from previous #NYCSC: Thorin wants to talk about misinformation about him..

“Thorin’s not in town tonight,” someone says. So scratch that. There’s another item about money disappearing from general fund; no one…

Cont’d: ..is here to present that either. [AFAIK that's based on a malicious and unsubstantiated rumor tht's been spreading for like 2mnths]

There’s also an Outreach proposal, not sure what it is tho. “Are the medics here?” Someone says many people were stuck on the train and…

Cont’d: …are just arriving. [The 1,2,3 trains are totally crappy tonight, I was late too.] We’ll pause for folks now arriving to settle in.

Stairs asks how we feel about moving on w/ working group reportbacks and announcements while people settle in. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “I want to remind everyone we’re now in spokescouncil mode, and the person who is spoking for your working group is the…”

Cont’d: “…person who will speak for your group.” Asks if any WG hasn’t determined a spoke, looks like everyone has. #nycsc #ows

Stairs asks folks w/ reportbacks to hold up signs. Not a lot of takers right off the bat. I think folks are still settling in. #nycsc #ows

Music: “This Sat, 7:30pm, an #OWS benefit will be at Freddie’s Bar in Brooklyn, 627 5th Ave, Sunset Park. Free. Accept donations of cash…”

Cont’d: “…winter gear, and canned goods.” Sustainability: “We’ve now got online information via video of how to build yr own energy bikes…”

Cont’d: “…on Time’s Up’s website! So you can look it up and build yr own.” Occupiers WG, Buck: “We’re planning on getting very cheap…”

Cont’d: “…bikes and repairing them and giving them to occupiers.” Facilitation: “We’re putting together a subgroup to make a..” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…guide on consensus process,” so if you want to help, please do! Think Tank: “We had our first mobile think tank at staten island..

Cont’d: “..ferry terminal, and if you want us to have one wherever your action is, please let us know.” SIS: “We just want to let people…”

Cont’d: “…know that we’ve moved out of the UFT space,” have moved to Brooklyn and are working on a process for making items available.#nycsc

That’s it for reportbacks, and Kitchen just arrived w/ food. We’re taking a 10 minute break to eat and drink & make very brief merry.#nycsc

[Tonight is the first Spokescouncil since we activated it and determined membership on Monday! It already feels more comfortable.] #nycsc

OK, we’re coming back together. Some discussion of keeping language clean due to presence of children tonight and the Vancouver…

Cont’d: …petition first offered at last night’s GA. I’d love a URL for that. #nycsc #ows

We’re collecting additional agenda items — someone says they have an announcement… “is this a reportback or a discussion?” #nycsc #ows

OK, tonight’s first proposal is from Sustainability. “Hi everyone! In case you don’t know us personally, my name is Sarah; this is Winnie.”

The proposal is to fund participation in the Left Forum, at Pace University, March 16 to March 18, 2012. The theme is “Occupy the System:…

Cont’d; “…Confronting Global Capitalism.” Here’s the text of the proposal: http://t.co/4rHFEhZv #nycsc #ows

“The Left Forum is a non-profit organization; we’ve applied for a scholarship and if they don’t give us one, we may need to pay more…”

Cont’d: “…and we hope the GA will approve those funds.” [GA meets Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun. -Ed.] #nycsc #ows

Total cost Sustainability are requesting for this panel are $476. Stairs is now taking stack for clarifying questions. #nycsc #ows

Someone asks if we can check for consensus, but stairs insists that we need to go through the process. No CQs, tho. #nycsc #ows

Someone asks what the money breaks down to again, and they explain essentially what the panel is for, and who’s on it, as listed online.

“There’s a lot of different people involved.” “Access for 3 days is $55; we believe one day is $10, but we encourage everyone to…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…be there, because it’s basically a space where the kind of thinkers doing what we’re trying to do are all going to be in the…”

Cont’d: “…same room.” Content will be “of great interest, and of great utility to us.” “They want ppl from #OWS to participate, so if…”

Cont’d: “…you’re in a working group like facilitation, or direct action, we encourage you to come.” #nycsc #ows

Organization’s CQ: “We think it’s exciting that Left Forum is using #occupy in the title of the forum, but since they are, have they…”

Cont’d: “…considered donating space to us, since they’re using #occupy in the title of the forum? Have they considered that?” #nycsc #ows

A: “We don’t know – maybe. I guess the best way is, they may waive the fees / give us a scholarship. But we’re not…” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…sure about space.” POI: “They charge panelists on a sliding scale, even if there’s no scholarship.” A: “Great, if you have..”

Cont’d: “…more information, that’d be great.” A quick back and forth about details. Stairs notes that if they get the $, and don’t need it..

..it comes back anyway. “We just wanted to get the $ just in case. It’d be embarrassing for our panelists to show up that day and…”

Cont’d: “…not be able to get in.” If they can save the fees, they’ll be able to give the money back. Danielle, PoCC spoke: “Does #OWS…”

Cont’d: “..need to cover the transportation costs?” A: “We’re doing it as a courtesy, since we’re grateful that they’re willing to…”

Cont’d: “…stand with us. We want to make sure that since they’re contributing to what we’re trying to do, they don’t need to pay anything..”

Cont’d: “…to do so.” Next, Jason from Housing. “I heard a few interesting things, and.. if the name #OWS is in it, why aren’t they…”

Cont’d: “…willing to let #OWS come w/o the $55?” But also, “if you’re willing to go and can pay for it, why do you need $ from the fund?”

POI: “The word #occupy is in the public domain, I’m not even sure if we marked #occupywallstreet.” At this point, “#occupy is like the…”

Cont’d: “…word “walk”". The proposers also point out that they will pay for this if #OWS doesn’t, but they are doing it for and because of..

Cont’d: “…the occupation, and it’s a powerful space to bring our message to on our terms with the panel.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “But if you think we’re doing strong, solid, important work for the occupation, we shouldn’t have to pay ourselves to make it…”

Cont’d: “…happen.” And again, they may not need to pay anything, so it’s just to be safe. Jason: “So, to be clear, if it doesn’t come from..

Cont’d: “…the general fund, you’ll pay for it yourself?” A: “We believe very strongly that this is an important thing to do and we’ll…”

Cont’d: “…figure it out if we have to.” Someone asks if they’ll go as #OWS or as #OWS Sustainability WG – it’s the latter, but they… #nycsc

…hope that other working groups will make proposals for their own panels at the Left Forum. #nycsc #ows

OK, that’s it for clarifying ?s. Spokes will take a minute to confer, and come back & check in if they have anything for concerns stack.#ows

RT @deborahgomez3: @LibertySqGA International equality a political system that is not corrupt

RT @pinato: @LibertySqGA watching on livestream…Stair has a nice vibe going!

Stairs calling for working groups to get on stack w/ any concerns. But oh wait! The point of information raised earlier about them..

Cont’d: …not having to pay seems to be correct! So they’re withdrawing the proposal, and the conference will definitely happen. Awesome!

OK, next is Jose from Medical w/ his proposal. “We’re asking for funding for trainers that came down about 4 weeks ago for a series of..”

Cont’d: “..classes.” “Spent 3 days down here, taught a survival course in Liberty Square, later on that day trained trainers, and then…”

Cont’d: “…they did a 2-day wilderness first aid and survival course,” trained about 30 people including folks from #OccupyPhilly. #nycsc

“They gave us an incredible discount on this; some of the trainers donated their time, it cost 25% of what this normally would cost frm them

Cont’d: “We raised $275 [from somewhere] and $125 online, so what we’re looking for is $1355.” Proposal: http://t.co/wHXajHl7 #nycsc #ows

“This includes $750 for the two trainers for three days work, $350 for shared driving travel costs to and from their school in NH…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…and $650 for the rental of 56 Walker for the two day Wilderness First Aid training, for a total of $1750. The food was taken…”

Cont’d: “..the OWS kitchen and housing for the trainers was donated by an OWS supporter who put up the trainers in their apartment.” #nycsc

OK, they’d like to temp check right off the bat to see where they’re starting from. After 30 seconds for working groups to confer… #nycsc

…we do “a quick test of consensus” — there’s lots of up-sparkles, and a few hands in the middle. Opening stack for clarifying questions.

CQ: “What does the training consist of?” A: “Sure – you can check out SOLO’s website, but it was basic survival in a wilderness setting.”

Cont’d: “Wilderness is defined as 1 hour from help. Given sometimes police will block protests in, we’ll have times in “wilderness”…”

Cont’d: “…in downtown manhattan.” So it’s about how to assess patients, and deal w/ emergency first aid issues. Not to be confused w/ …

Cont’d: ..Street Medic training.CQ: “Are these medics going to be available to anyone that needs medics in #OWS?” #nycsc #ows

A: “We hv, in Charlotte’s place, 12-6pm M-F, a medical station, staffed w/ nurses and our medics. We also try to show up at every..” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…street action, and also try to be at Liberty Square” and places people sleep. “That’s why we’re here.” #nycsc #ows

Someone asks if the question is about trainers, or medics that have been trained. It’s about general availability of treatment, which…

Cont’d: ..is apparently widespread. POI: “This has already occurred, and they’re asking for reimbursement.” #nycsc #ows

Facilitation’s CQ: “You all asked what we wanted to ask.” Next CQ: “I think this proposal was brought to the GA?” #nycsc #ows

A: Rsn for GA block was “why should we pay for survival training when there are homeless folks in our community that can do this training?”

The next two questions were about the same thing. Someone says it’s not worth it to pay for it “if it’s already done and over with.”#nycsc

Technically not a clarifying question. Now we are opening stack for Concerns, though. Jason’s concern: “First, if this is something that’s..

Cont’d: “..already been paid for, for our working group or any working group to come afterwards to ask to be reimbursed puts a pressure..”

Cont’d: “…on the room to try and reimburse. Second, we’ve had people sleeping at St Paul’s church down the street for the last 5 weeks…”

Cont’d: “…and we were denied medics because we didn’t do things according to the safety cluster.” Jose disagrees. “What you just said…”

Cont’d: “…is just flat-out not true. Jason, you yourself know better. I’ve spent many nights there with you myself.” #nycsc #ows

Jason says that the medics that came came because they heard there weren’t any. Jose says they count. #nycsc #ows

Jose wants to clarify. “At the beginning, what came in were a group of action-oriented, highly arrestable medics – street medics. They…”

Cont’d: “…held it down for a few weeks, until some highly-specialized people came and medical evolved. Doctors, nurses, herbalists..”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…that’s what’s been going on the first time. There haven’t been too many street medics since those first few. Lots of doctors…”

Cont’d: “…nurses, and acupuncturists have spent long hours at that church. That’s all medical. We never took away care. That never happens..

Cont’d: “..with medical. I’d like to hear your concerns if you feel differently, but you’ve seen them there.” #nycsc #ows

Jason gets up to speak, but sits when he sees a point of process he expected. “This is not the place to have a dialogue with this, we need..

Cont’d: “…a different structure to deal with this.” Jose hopes an ongoing mediation process can be that place. #nycsc #ows

Jason accepts that but rephrases his concern. “I’d hope that medics and safety cluster will equally provide services, openly, to…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…everybody that’s in #OWS.” Jose: “I’d like to take a moment to give a little more information, so we can be transparent.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “..felt comfortable practicing. But we have had medics there continually, and that will continue.” #nycsc #ows

Jose: “There were some ppl who chose not to go to that space because of fears of physical harm – tht wasn’t a space where some individuals..

POI: “It would be hard for every working group to provide services equally to everyone; we’re working to do so, but my PoI is it’s…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…impossible to do so right away.” Marisa from Facilitation provides a point of process: “This isn’t about the proposal anymore.”

Jeff from Housing agrees w/ Jason, and says that working groups that commit to working for #OWS should follow through, and that issues…

Cont’d: …should be dealt w/ via mediation or the wider community.” Stairs clarifies that’s already happening, and that… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: …the proposal is for these trainings. Jeff says if training is being received, and they’re not returning benefit to the community..

Cont’d: “..that’s a concern.” Jose says he’ll put the medics’ schedule up on nycga.net. But “street medics, basic first aid medics…”

Cont’d: “..doctors, nurses, and I ask that you trust me that we have stayed at that church giving care.” #nycsc #ows

Someone provides a PoI that they received medical care at that church. Kitchen’s concern: “In interacting w/ some of the ppl that…”

Cont’d: “…i’m pretty certain went to your training — the EMTs who were at Liberty in the first month — it was strange seeing ppl…”

Cont’d: “..do a workshop on hypothermia, but they wouldn’t help me put plastic bags around people’s feet.” #nycsc #ows

Sage continues. “Some of the basic skills you learn being homeless, were kind of thrown aside — like, if you don’t know what an Epipen is..

Cont’d: “…you don’t know anything useful. And that class definition, again.. I think that goes a lot to why people blocked. I’m 100%…”

Cont’d: “…certain that there are a multitude of voices grateful for your team being at protests. So if we could compromise and refund…”

Cont’d: “…some, if not all of the $, that would be a good compromise.” Jose sympathizes w/ Sage’s concerns “about what the park was…”

Cont’d: “…like, early on.” Notes that that exact same maneuver was featured at this training. “For whatever reason, b/c they were from…”

Cont’d: “…Philly, or they have personal issues that made them not listen to certain people,” he doesn’t know. But he’s glad he paid…

Cont’d: …out of pocket so that “more people could get that training.” OK, tht’s it for concerns, now opening friendly amendment stack.#nycsc

Stairs: “Please talk to your groups for 30 seconds, and then raise your sign if you have a friendly amendment to the proposal.” #nycsc #ows

Housing FA: “I really would <3 that this $ is reimbursed, but really hope that, to the best of their ability, medics and safety cluster..”

Cont’d: “…would do their best to serve all people under the #OWS umbrella.” Jose: “As the spoke for medic, I’m happy to accept that…”

Cont’d: “..amendment,” can’t speak for safety cluster but will bring it back to the working grp. Cluster: “That’d be all right, but what..”

Cont’d: “…about all the other people who might come back and ask to be reimbursed? Before you do this, consider that.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs notes that’s not an amendment, reviews “we’re asking the proposer to amend the proposal to address a concern.” #nycsc #ows

Think tank were on stack, but they pass. Information says “in order for info to have access to training info, can you commit to continue..”

Cont’d: “…to work on a scheduling process, and put that on the website for medical, or show some way of being transparent…”

Cont’d: “…like, I know you’re going to charlotte’s place, but can you put other places on the site?” A: “we.riseup.net/ows-medics is our..

Cont’d: “…website, check it for info.” FA: “Can you and your groups have teach-ins to share this info from the training?” A: “Two people…”

Cont’d: “…are organizing Wednesday skill-shares, that’ll start soon.” 8 hour herbal training, and a 20 hour street medic training soon too.

Q: “Would that be using the info from these trainings?” A: “Yes, it’s all cumulative. We’d like to train you all so well that we don’t…”

Cont’d: “…need to do our jobs anymore. You’d all be medics, and that’d be great.” OK, that’s it for stack, so we’re going to rephrase..

“This is a request for funding for a training we had about a month ago w/ SOLO for CPR, training, and winter survival.” #nycsc #ows

“We gladly accept the amendment from Housing to continue to provide care to everyone in #OWS regardless of whatever else happens.” #nycsc

“And we’ll put it on our private scheduling page — at least some information about it on we.riseup.net/ows-medics, and also info on..”

Cont’d: “…future trainings, find out what’s happening there.” OK, 30 seconds to confer. “Please raise your signs if you’re in agreement…”

Cont’d: “…with this proposal going forward.” Many signs. “Signs for any outstanding concerns?” There is one. She wants to make sure…

Cont’d: …they’re going to make sure the info from the training gets to everyone. Jose: “Yes, that is something I will fail at, but I will..”

Cont’d: “…do my best to do that.” With no more outstanding concerns, we prepare to ask for standasides and blocks. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “Are there any spokes who’d like to standaside from this proposal?” No. “Are there any spokes that wish to block this proposal?”

No blocks! Stairs: “So, we appear to have consensus on the proposal!” #nycsc #ows

Someone reports that #OWS protesters in Cano, Nigeria are being “shot at w/ live ammunition and tear gas.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs reflects. “There really are people out there dying, and we come together because we want to prevent that from every happening.”

Cont’d: “It’s a pretty serious announcement to make in this room. But we need to remember the stuff we face in America is light…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…compared to that.” We’re going to take a 2 minute break so people can process that and also cookies are being passed around.#nycsc

Stairs: “How do people feel about 1 minute of silence for people who are being shot in Nigeria?” OK. “Starting now.” #nycsc #OWS

<being silent….> #ows #nycsc #nigeria #realness

Stairs: “I think it’s important we do this kind of thing for each other, across the globe. And that we really remember we are across the…”

Cont’d: “…world and not just here in America. Let’s remember that…” #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “OK, so we’re going to come back together and hear this proposal from Outreach.” #nycsc #ows

Outreach, Diego: “It’s been a concern, a proposal worked on by people from Outreach, De-escalation, and some from Facilitation…”

cont’d: “Essentially what I’ve kind of been hearing is kind of this gap in procedure when certain individuals come to spokes..”

Cont’d: “We don’t have a procedure to remove those people, or those who abuse the process, to not allow them back in the building.” #nycsc

Cont’d; “So we’ve been talking to a lot of people to try to have a procedure for that. So essentially, it’s really simple; it’s a…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…three-phase procedure.” They’re trying to introduce the new sign, w/ two fists together, and “we’d like ppl to make this..”

Cont’d: “…sign, to indicate contention or conflict.” Step 2, facilitators would notice how many there were, and could stop temp-check how…

Cont’d: ..people feel about the issue. “And if the reading is right, they’d warn the individual, ‘there is a contention going on, and if..”

Cont’d: “…they do it again, there’s a possibility they wouldn’t be allowed at the next Spokescouncil.” Next, there’d be a temp check to..

Cont’d: …continue. “Next, if it happens again, the individual will be told they’re not allowed into this space for a week.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “It’s a week because if you’re a spoke, you’re not allowed to spoke for a week anyway.” Phase 3: the next meeting. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “Phase 3, working w/ de-escalation, there’d be people not allowed to come in. They can come back in a week.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “The idea is to set tone that there are consequences for your behavior; we want to get things done & we want ppl to understand tht.”

During the meeting where someone is not allowed in, the Council can discuss questions and concerns as to why. #nycsc #ows

Here’s page 1 of the Outreach “Nonsense Defense Procedure” proposal… #nycsc #ows http://t.co/1Sk6vdjo

Aaaand here’s page 2 of the Outreach “Nonsense Defense Procedure” proposal… #nycsc #ows http://t.co/tfrVfclp

Stairs now asking for clarifying questions, after giving working groups a chance to review. Big CQ stack for this one. #nycsc #ows

First, Safer Spaces’ CQ: “Was outreach aware, while making this proposal, of Safer Spaces’ current project of creating a Community…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…Agreement and Accountability process that would serve a similar function? & did you reach out to SS or the Safety cluster?”#nycsc

A: “I was aware that SS was working on something very big, but again, I felt like this wasn’t — that’s still necessary, but this if…”

Cont’d: “…someone behaves in a way that everyone agrees isn’t right, like, you shouldn’t threaten people,” this helps deal w/ it. But yes.

Next, WoW. “50% of the people, is that 50% of spokes or ppl in room? And Q 2, in Phase 3, when there’s a discussion about why someone..”

Cont’d: “..is banned, is it possible to unban them or is it just a discussion about a standing decision from the week before?” #nycsc #ows

A: “The way Spokes works, the Spokes express themselves on behalf of their groups, so it’d still be appropriate for it to be 50% of Spokes.

Cont’d: “But, since someone is threatening the community, that could be changed by a friendly amendment, rather than having ppl ask..”

Cont’d: “..spokes to express they’re feeling unsafe.” So, he likes 50% of the room better. “Actually I think the convo [about banning]…”

Cont’d: “…would be more of an update, to explain why.” Notes caucus’ pwr to interrupt spokescouncil process and/or veto would apply. #nycsc

CQ: “Can that veto be used during phase 3, as well as phase 2?” A: “No, as of phase 2, it’s already happened.” #nycsc #ows

PoCC has a POI: “Caucuses have the ability to halt the proceedings of spokescouncil, but not necessarily veto power.” #nycsc #ows

Marisa clarifies. “If a proposal came forward, and say, PoC felt it was racist, they could halt the proceedings, but that doesn’t mean…”

Cont’d: “…it won’t come up again after being changed, or after future discussion, or other circumstances.” #nycsc #ows

CQ: “RE: 2nd page, first asterisk: does this mean that a veto can be exercised every other spokescouncil? So someone can disrupt Mon…”

Cont’d: “..Fri, Weds — is that what that means?” A: “Let’s say a person gets banned on Monday, but that gets vetoed by a caucus. The idea..

Cont’d: “…would be that if that happens again on Monday, then that caucus could not use their veto for that person on Wednesday; that…”

Cont’d: “…person would have to wait a week to return. And then Wednesday, they could disrupt again, and there could be a veto again…”

Cont’d: “…but again, this wasn’t made to be hard-core enforcement, it’s just to set the idea that there are consequences for behavior.”

“We make mistakes. It’s just a week. So you can use your veto Monday, but can’t use it Wednesday for same person.” #nycsc #ows

CQ: “But technically, if they came back Friday, they could veto again, right?” A: “Ahh… a loophole! Dammit!” Hahah. They’ll look for a…

Cont’d: …friendly amendment to address that. OK, Library’s on stack. “I have a question about re-ratified caucuses. I don’t really know…”

Cont’d: “…that means.” A: “The 3 ratified caucuses (sorry, 3, not “re” ) are ppl of color caucus, women occupying wall street, queer caucus.

De-escalation: “1, when we tabled similar things brought up 2 weeks ago, and safer spaces said they were going to work on a process for..”

Cont’d: “…going over our community agreements, and a procedure for dealing with ppl who disrupt, and to try to be as inclusive as possible..

Cont’d: “…now I’m certainly all for accountability, but what I’m asking is, is there anything in here that is geared toward engaging…”

Cont’d: “…the individual outside of here?” That’s the type of thing Safer Spaces was doing. “It’s really important to be inclusionary.”

Stairs: “Let me just restate that we are in clarifying questions mode. And we can have these very valid amendments during amendment mode..”

Comfort: “About 15 minutes ago, someone came up here screaming, yelling about a metrocard.” Notes that supports the need for this.

Stairs notes that’s not a clarifying question. Sustainability: “Have you thought through a way to, if someone does get kicked out for the..”

Cont’d: “..week, have you thought through contingencies for enforcing that in a way that won’t be really disruptive, b/c once they’ve..”

Cont’d: “…already been kicked out, they’re not likely to be willing to just walk out quietly.” Someone notes, “de-escalation has at times..”

Cont’d: “..had to martially enforce peace, so it’s a hard line to toe. There has to be peace for the meeting to happen. Whatever happens..”

Cont’d: “..whether it’s this one from Diego, or the safety cluster one, whatever happens – removing someone from one of these meetings is..”

Cont’d: “…serious business. It can’t be because of a disagreement, it must be code red– someone has their hands on someone, or someone..”

cont’d: “..is hijacking the meeting, and the process is fucked.” “It’s got to be respect; hopefully everyone in this community loves and…”

Cont’d: “..knows each other, so it’s not being cops, it’s “come on, dude, you’re disrupting the meeting.”" Respect and love are main…

Cont’d: …enforcement techniques, but we will carry someone out. He’d rather not let someone in than carry them out, though. #nycsc #ows

Stairs notes time is running short, so this may need to be delayed to the next SC meeting. Sage: “I’m of 2 minds; I don’t like it because..”

Cont’d: “..it seems like a silent point of process, but i do like it for the same reason.” Can make specific point w/o speaking. #nycsc #ows

Stairs prompts him to ask his question. “How much of this is up to facilitation to arbitrate?” Feels sometimes ppl don’t get chance to…

Cont’d: …explain themselves. “How much authority does facilitation have to… yeah.” Diego: “I think that’s a great question; I think a lot..”

Cont’d: “…of us have probably thought about it for a long time, so this is why facilitation would hv to check if their reading is correct.”

So it’s not really facilitation, but they’d have to check, “Am I right? Is someone really being abusive?” Some ppl think it’s gonna…

Cont’d: …be abused, bt “it’s really obvious whn someone abuses the meeting. We’ll hv a procedure to make sure they can’t come in next time.”

Library. “We just wanted to know really quickly if there was a process — are ppl going to be removed from the meetings, or is this..”

Cont’d: “..just for the next meeting?” A: “This proposal specifically is to not allow people in next time who were disruptive this time.”

Cont;d: “Although it was wrong the way exclusion happened last time, we thought it might be wise to have a procedure, since we know now..”

Cont’d: “..we can hold them at the door.” And now, there is something unspoken about removing people who are violent, this is for…

Cont’d: …people who are threatening or messing up process. Brandon: “No one wants to exclude anyone, it would need to be really bad.”

Marisa from Facilitation notes that there have been many drafts of an accountability process, and suggests we should have an ad-hoc…

Cont’d: …group to flesh out and combine these proposals. Anthony: “Since the other ones are in the works, we should come up w/ something..”

Cont’d: “…for right now. If they’re working on 20 proposals, 30 proposals, but someone’s disrupting right now, we have this. It might not..”

Cont’d: “..be the greatest process, but it lets us deal with safety issues” quickly.” CQ: “RE: word “facilitator’s discretion”, and word…

Cont’d: “…’disruption’?” — want to define it. A: “You’re right; I don’t want to empower facilitators more than they should be, but they..”

Cont’d: “..are in a position to read the room, so the 50% is something that should be…” Questioner restates, since disruption is…

Cont’d: ..not defined, “how do we know this won’t be used” in a way it’s not intended to be? A: “If we just don’t agree w/ somebody…”

Cont’d: “…that’s fine, but if they’re abusing the process and not allowing us to continue, that’s where it comes in — that’s where…”

Cont’d: “..everybody is — ” But the questioner is still concerned that the language is overly broad. #nycsc #ows

OK, so we’re tabling this for next meeting since we’re out of time, and want to finish with agenda-setting for next time. #nycsc #ows

Stairs suggests that ppl submit questions for next Friday; someone suggests “we start exactly at this point at 7pm on Friday.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “One of the things we agreed to do is set our agenda for Friday’s Spokescouncil.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “We didn’t get to a discussion on behalf of the people of color caucus, or a discussion from alternate kitchen.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs asks if PoCC and Alternate Kitchen want to speak on Friday’s agenda, or convert to an announcement tonight. #nycsc #ows

PoCC will just make an announcement tonight, and Alternative Kitchen will make an announcement and also ask to be on agenda Friday.#nycsc

So, Friday, “we’ll continue w/ this proposal we just put a pause on, and we’ll have the following discussions..” #nycsc #ows

Jeff from Housing says Housing is concerned that resuming this proposal might not be feasible due to change in membership in group. #nycsc

Stairs suggests they can restate it; but ppl are insisting we probably need to start all over again. Marisa from Facilitation says…

Facilitation: “We should start the process over because it’s a different composition.” Stairs accepts that. #nycsc #ows

OK, PoCC announcement: “Last wednesday, I addressed everyone regarding events of previous friday, explained feelings and..”

Cont’d: “…some next steps. Stated we’d get together w/ other members of PoCC and draft some suggestions of what to do about it.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “We met Thursday; there were some members new to PoCC, some others; started working with Safer Spaces. It was to be done…”

Cont’d: “…today, and I just want to acknowledge that it’s not done today, it needs more work and thought.” #nycsc #ows

Next, Sage (Alternative Kitchen): “1 week ago today, I had a personal situation in the office w/ Accounting; it was very emotional…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…it involved.. an inappropriate behavior… non-consensual physical contact, and just — I don’t even want to say it out loud.”#nycsc

Cont’d: “It led to me attacking somebody. Since that time I’ve been blocked from the office. The reason I’m making this announcement is…”

Cont’d: “…I feel lk I’ve asked for a sit-down w/ other ppl involved, & the way they’re framing it isn’t respectful of what happened to me.”

Sage says “sexual harassment” is within the range of what happened, despite “not having heard a lot of it in the 90s.” #nycsc #ows

Sage: “I feel someone is being protected, and an unsafe space is being maintained. I’ve talked to the Office affinity group, I’ve talked..”

Cont’d: “…to people in Accounting Working Group, so I’m just asking the group as a whole, I’d be happy to tell them what happened.”

Cont’d: “Basically, I want to know if the person who did what they did are willing to hold themselves accountable; if not, I want to know..”

Cont’d: “…if the working group will hold them accountable; if not, I want to know if the office is OK w/ that, and if they’re not, then..”

Cont’d: “…I need you guys to know that there’s a lack of accountability. And if you guys are OK w/ the Office affinity group not holding..”

Cont’d: “..working groups accountable, then I won’t be coming to you all before. I’m just asking for help, b/c at this pt it’s been a week.”

Stairs gently asking Sage to move on so we can wrap up. Stairs: “Any other agenda items ppl want to talk about in Friday’s meeting?” #nycsc

Doesn’t seem so. Hey, Michael Moore is here! Stairs asks if we want to give him permission to speak (he’s not a spoke). #nycsc #ows

“We’re getting a very mixed response,” so they’ll consult w/ facilitation — Marisa says “we agreed to do feedback now.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “Please keep it constructive and brief, and then we can stay if we’d like to hear @MMFlint speak.” #nycsc #ows

POI: “Mr. Moore might necessarily not want to speak.” Hahah. OK, “hands up if you have anything you’d like to help facilitation with.”#nycsc

Marisa, Spoke for Facilitation working group: “So, I just wanted to congratulate you, and all of us, and Facilitation in particular, for…”

Cont’d: “..having a *functional Spokescouncil*!” WOOHOO! “I hope this continues.” She wishes we started more promptly, but liked the intro..

Cont’d: ..exercise. Stairs: “I was meaning to ask you all, is it Ok if we have an intro exercise each time we come together?” #nycsc #ows

That’s it for feedback; Stairs: “Do we want to invite Michael Moore to speak?” I guess facilitation already did sort of. #nycsc #ows

(The dude to my right, who earlier said “He’s rich! Let’s eat him!” also sagely notes that “We let Nan speak!” re: @MMFlint) #nycsc #ows

Sorry, more feedback for facilitation. “So, I think that facilitation was nice this evening, and I liked how you took help from ppl, and…”

Cont’d: “…it really felt like group facilitation tonight; we’re learning as we go along and I really appreciate it.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “And I also liked that we were continuously giving input on decisions,” cites setting up the end at the beginning. “..it was great.”

Next. “I think that the team did a really excellent job; really even-handed. I would say you could know the spokes process a little better..

Cont’d: “…there was a little bit too much crowd sourcing — great facilitation, too, but was disappointing to see facilitation get…”

Cont’d: “…razzled by a celebrity and not follow process.” Also, should start on time. Stairs lifts that up and asks if we can agree to…

Cont’d: …start right at 7. We broadly agree, although someone suggests 7:30, if food can arrive at 7. #nycsc #ows

Gary’s feedback: “One criticism; for first 20 minutes, we weren’t really discussing anything.” Feels that if we get something done early…

Cont’d: ..it might help to set the pace. Robert: “It would have been nice if this evaluation period was opened to whole room instead of..”

Cont’d: “…just spokes.” Also notes many ppl didn’t like breaking meeting for food, and also feels we went off-neutral re: tweet from Nigeria

Hermes’ feedback: “I wonder if the Spoke itself can ask a group to write a code of conduct that would be agreed to by spokes themselves.”

Next feedback: “I felt this meeting was one of the better meetings; last meeting was calm and peaceful to. Also, there’s a documentarian…”

Cont’d: “…here, and I think downtwinkling documentarians is disrespectful” considering effort made to be here. #nycsc #ows

Jose says Facilitators were great, but asks facilitators be super, super conscious about “not interrupting people.” Also suggests that…

Cont’d: …ways to bring group’s attention back besides mic check, which brings a shoutier energy than some of the other ways. #nycsc #ows

Danielle from PoCC has more feedback: “The fact that you stopped to have a movement of silence when we got the news about Nigeria, I…”

Cont’d: “…thought was super-important.” Someone asks that ppl clean up their food/plates before we leave. #nycsc #ows

OK, time to maybe hear from @MMFlint. Facilitation suggests that we either consense to let someone not a spoke speak, or close…

Cont’d: …the meeting before we hear him. Stairs suggests we choose the latter option. “Let’s consider the meeting over.” Consensus! #nycsc

@MMFlint speaks. “Thank you for clarifying that. I did not ask to speak [Stairs did]. I came here just as a citizen.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “I didn’t ask to speak; just before the meeting ended, facilitators asked. I just want to be here; I’m one of millions.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “I come to these meetings, I come to GAs; I’m a participant, I don’t just show up — I don’t have a camera with me. I’m just..”

Cont’d: “…a citizen, just like you are. This man asked me to say a few words; I didn’t come here for that. I hope you know that.” Laughs

Cont’d: “Because I think the importance of this movement is it doesn’t have a spokesperson or a leader; they keep asking, I keep saying..”

Cont’d: “…there’s 10 million leaders, there’s 10 million spokesperson. Everyone here has a story to tell. Everyone watching on livestream..”

Cont’d: “…you’re a spokesperson for the #Occupy movement. I’ve been working on these issues of Wall Street, banks, corporate america for..”

Cont’d: “…2 decades, so this is not play time for me. This movement is the most important thing that’s happened in our lifetime. All the..”

Cont’d: “…various evils in this system: all the spokes come to a point to this one hub.” “I ‘ve been to 2 dozen occupys around the country..

Cont’d: “…from Portland to Vancouver to Nevada City California, 400 ppl there, the smallest towns. That’s the way it’s all over the country”

Cont’d: “This has spread like wildfire, and every poll shows that Americans agree with the principles of the #Occupy movement.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “That’s AMAZING for a movement that is 15 weeks old!” Chills. A few just yelped in joy. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “We know 15 weeks into civil rights movement, the majority of Americans didn’t support it.” Lists feminism, vietnam war…

Cont’d: …gay rights. “It’s taken years to move the mountain of the American public — a nation of good-hearted people, but they’re…”

Cont’d: “…slow-learners in the basic issues of humanity. But we’re doing well. In 2004, states passed hateful anti-gay laws. 3 months ago..”

Cont’d: “..for the first time ever, 54% of Americans said they support gay marriage. To go from ’04 to that in 6+ years- that’s remarkable.”

Cont’d: “…but in 15 WEEKS, you’ve got a majority of the American people want taxes raised, ppl responsible in jail, money back — go down..:

Cont’d: “…the list — they want their parents back! They’re tired of the racism and the homophobia– that’s the America we live in!” #nycsc

Cont’d: “And the hardest part of any movement is asking those who don’t agree to agree with the things you stand for. We don’t…”

Cont’d: “..have to do that! They’re already with us! I’ve had the privilege — not many ppl have been able to visit 2 dozen Occupy sites.”

Cont’d: “And I want you to know in NYC, b/c you were the start of this, the rest of the country is really looking in at these meetings…”

Cont’d: “..at the GAs, at the Spokescouncils — people are desperate for your direction, our direction, ideas, action, action, action –”

Cont’d: ” — a little bit of talk — action. I mean, 400 people in Fayetteville Arkansas — in Occupy Fayetteville!! They are… “#nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…they came from — they don’t consider this the Vatican, but they are counting on us here to keep doing this in 2012 and to..”

cont’d: “…keep doing what’s already been done, they want the next step.” And many ppl ask about demands, and “I’m on the Demands WG..” LULZ!

Cont’d: “…but I’m quiet there, and I go to Visions and Goals, but let me say this, especially for the younger ppl here, the process is…”

Cont’d: “..every bit as important as the demands right now. And you have to know that the process is why it spread.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “If you had done it in a traditional way, with one leader, and a spokesperson, it wouldn’t have spread. But that ppl in [small...

Cont'd: …towns] can say they’re part of the movement, just by saying they’re in it- – that’s why it spread.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “This is in its infancy. There are growing pains. That’s OK — everybody stick with it. Don’t drop out! It’s OK! We’re a little…”

Cont’d: “…baby right now!” Someone says, “We just finished our first trimester.” LULZ. “Keep this process going, this egalitarian…”

Cont’d: “…consensus process. Just be kind to each other, b/c we all have suffered through so much in the past decades, especially..”

Cont’d: “..the last decade. The fact that we now live in a country where half of ppl are in poverty or a paycheck away from poverty..”

Cont’d: “…that’s a disgrace. And that’s why we’re a majority movement.” Says the ppl who started this movement are the banks, the oil cos..

Cont’d: “They put their boot on the necks of the American people a few months too long. If they’d been half as greedy, or 75% greedy, or..”

Cont’d: “..let up… but no. And we said enough, and we’re a part of this movement.” “Let’s move into 2012.” Credits bk bridge, union sq…

Cont’d: “The police and the mayor — and by the way, whoever the undercover NYPD person here is tonight– I just want to say welcome…”

Cont’d: “..you are part of the 99%. My guess is they rotate you guys, because if you sat here too long, you’d start to go, “yeah!” #nycsc

Cont’d: “So, welcome NYPD undercover person. But the mayor doesn’t get it, wall street doesn’t get it; they’re so deaf to what’s…”

Cont’d: “…happening here. And they think it’s going to fall apart in the winter.” Belly laughs at that one. “If they don’t understand..”

Cont’d: “…human composition — ” gives many examples of struggle for greater good, including Flint sit-down strike. “The Winter — no!”

Cont’d: “What’s been done to this planet is far worse than any snow or sleet. This has to keep going w/ action in the winter, and we’re..”

Cont’d: “..always a few steps ahead of these guys anyway.” “Let’s try to become part of a whole. When we walk through that door, it’s..”

Cont’d: “…no longer just me, myself and I. We should never lose our individuality, we want to hear every voice. But we should be part of..”

Cont’d: “..a whole, and try to check the parts of us that are in need. These meetings aren’t really for that. That’s my personal opinion..”

Cont’d: “…please don’t take that to mean anyone shouldn’t say anything or whatever. But ppl across the country watching…”

Cont’D: “…want to know what we’re doing next! They want to feel part of the whole group.” #nycsc #ows

@MMFlint continues to mention the MLK Day vigil at Bloomberg’s house. “Honest to God, I didn’t come here to be heard.” #nycsc #ows

Finn: “My name is Finn Jaffe, and I’d like to welcome you to #OccupyWallStreet.” @MMFlint: “And I’d like to welcome you. I can’t tell you..”

Cont’d: “…how much you’ve made me feel so alive, and so good, and those 20 years were worth it.” Applause. That was nice. Welcome, sir.

[OK, that's it for tonight's #NYCSC! Much love; if you have questions, comments, concerns, please hit me up @diceytroop. Thx! -Ed.]

@ADavaDava it wasn’t on nycga; here are the shots i tweeted: pic.twitter.com/1Sk6vdjo pic.twitter.com/tfrVfclp

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RT @OWScom: TONIGHT: GA @ 100 William Street 7PM. This GA also a call to action to defend our right to peaceably assemble. Let’s get a h …

GA IS STARTING AT 100 WILLIAM: “The reason we’re assembled here today, as opposed to in the Park that was recently opened, is that…”#nycga

“…on Sunday, despite the fact that this is an open space, when we had GA here, we were aggressively removed by the NYPD. When we…”#nycga

“…explained that we had the right to be here, we were aggressively removed by the NYPD and told we could take it to the judge in the AM.”

“When we started #OWS… our action was our speech. And in the spirit of that tonight, we will hold a General Assembly.” #nycga #ows

Facilitators (stairs) tonight are Nathan and Marisa. Theyre explaining our process, and recruiting a timekeeper from the large crowd! #nycga

We’re starting w/ announcements. Stairs opens stack, w/ Matt as stacktaker. “In order to allow the greatest number of proposals…” #nycga

“…to be heard tonight, is that we’ll allow 15 minutes per proposal, although you’ll be, as always, empowered to extend that time.” #nycga

In order to allow entry and egress to 100 Williams, Aaron is asking folks to move slightly away from the Stairs. #nycga #ows

Georgina’s announcement! “This is my first time at #OWS GA. Thank you all for your strong spirit and inspiring so many ppl in so..” #nycga

“…many other places. I’m coming from the [Sailor Sea], in the Pacific NW, which spans Seattle, Vancouver, and Coastal BC.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We have a real problem there right now, which is that Brookfield Asset Management Company are liquidating the last temperate…”

Cont’d: “…rain forests of British Columbia, which they privately own. These forests are getting cut and sent as exports to China.” #nycga

Cont’d: “So, I wanted to come here and help make the connection that the same company who owns Brookfield Properties, and Zuccotti Park..”

Cont’d: “…who truly represent the 1%, are also involved in liquidating forests. There’s a particular forest on Cortez Island, in B.C…”

Cont’d: “…that is scheduled for clearcut this month. And we need solidarity actions here and all over the world!” They have a petition…

Cont’d: …from OccupyVancouver. “We’d like ppl to sign this petition but also think there’s lots of potential for creative solidarity action”

Cont’d: “The wolves, the endangered species in these forests have no protection, so the people need to show up at this time!” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Thank you all again for your solidarity and inspiration.” #nycga #ows

Next announcement: “Last night, the Global Revolution live stream base was hit w/ a multi-agency task force and evicted and locked out..”

Cont’d: “…of their building. On Friday, at 2PM, at 79th Street and 5th Avenue, at Bloomberg’s Mansion, there will be a protest about..”

Cont’d: “…what happened to not only the Global Revolution Livestream, but all the press who have been arrested covering #OWS.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We are asking everyone to come with cameras, video cameras, and live stream. We’re gonna make ‘em shut that block down, and…”

Cont’d: “…we’re gonna drive Bloomberg and his neighbors crazy. And we’re looking for standup comedians who want to do comedy about..”

Cont’d: “…Bloomberg, Lady Gaga, and the police state we’re living in.” #nycga #ows

Next, Milo: “My announcement related to that, I’m in contact w/ someone right now who’s at the Manhattan base for Global Revolution TV..”

Cont’d: “…and they are expecting a raid tonight. She wants to leave, but she doesn’t feel safe leaving alone, so I’m going to go pick her..”

Cont’d: “…up.” Next, Nan. “Hi everybody; happy new year. My announcement is, my working group is currently working with..”

Cont’d: “…a new working group, basically to have some kind of fundraising for the occupation, since we all know, very soon..”

Cont’d: “…we’ll be broke. So, that’s my announcement.” Ted’s “report back on the NDAA actions today!” “It was a beautiful success!”#nycga

Cont’d: “…and done on very short notice. We began on 42nd Street, right next to the Library on Bryant Park, and we held a press conference.”

Cont’d: “There was no mainstream media, kind of like our first official statement about #NDAA did not get any press, but we kept on..”

Cont’d: “..going. We staged theatrical renditions of ppl speaking out; renditions being their capturing. After that, we went to Senator…”

Cont’d: “…Gillibrand and Schumers’ office, and we had incredible soapboxing as well as a statement from a man who was indefinitely…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…detained for 3 years of his life for going after a corrupt bank.” Recommends we look at video from the action. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Next, we went to Rockefeller Center; we were prevented from assembly there, but many people heard about the NDAA. Because…”

Cont’d: “…the media is doing nothing. #OCCUPY is the voice. After that, we did an incredible flash mob in Grand Central Station, where…”

Cont’d: “…thousands of ppl heard our mic checks. 7 of us were arrested for speaking and assembling — the police were violent.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “And I say that this year is a continuation of this protest! So we were in solidarity w/ Anonymous in this global revolution, and..”

Cont’d: “…we are unstoppable! Keep going!” Big cheers. #nycga #ows

Point of information (POI): “I’m part of @GlobalRev; I’m unsure what is going on. OccupyNYC will not be streaming, but we’re not the only..”

Cont’d: “…stream team at these events. It’s about multi streaming!” He’s sorry they have to leave tho. #nycga #ows

Next: “Please appreciate the dynamics of what is occurring. We have a Mayor Bloomberg who has a conflicting agenda w/ the movement.”#nycga

Cont’d: “Consequently, he has proceeded in a systematic matter to achieve his agenda. Specifically, his plan of action…”

Cont’d: “…is to end participation in the movement, and has utilized the NYPD as a device to achieve such means.” Stairs Pt-of-processes him.

Stairs: “While we appreciate what you’re saying, what you’re saying isn’t an announcement, it’s more of an opinion.” Soapbox after GA.#nycga

Courtney from OccupyVancouver! “Georgina spoke to you earlier about Brookfield Properties’ plan to log on Cortez Island.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “I brought this petition here tonight, in the hopes that you’ll sign it, so I can bring it home to Cortez Island to show..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…solidarity from #OWS and stop Brookfield” from cutting down the rainforest. Sign and bring it back to her after GA! #nycga #ows

Next: “Join elected officials and community leaders for a rally and press conference as we make a new years’ resolution…” #nycga #ows

“…rededicating our efforts to the police accountability movement. Let’s recommit. Tell Bloomberg and Ray Kelly that we recognize…”

Cont’d: “…discrimination of communities of color codified in the NYPD culture. It’s not anti-NYPD, nor does it impede efforts to end…”

Cont’d: “…gun violence. We’re fighting for better policing and safer streets for all New Yorkers. The problem must be acknowledged…”

Cont’d: “…only then can it be fixed. 1PM, Grand Army Plaza, Brooklyn — Saturday, January 7th.” #nycga #ows

Facilitation announces that it’s come to their attention that several NYPD vans are in route. #nycga #ows

We’re making special care to leave a walkway through the space and into the building, before the NYPD arrive. #nycga #ows

Robert: “Last year, the Spokescouncil was formally recognized as active. Recognizing also the rules set down in the October 17th…”

Cont’d: “…spokes council proposal. This proposal cannot come to this body. Look it up.” That was a point of process re: the first proposal.

Stairs: “It’s true that last night the Spokescouncil recognized itself after 3 months of craziness. However, there was an attempt to..”

Cont’d: “…reach out to the Housing group, but they told Facilitation that their proposal was very urgent b/c ppl needed Metrocards…”

Cont’d: “..to get to a warm place to sleep. So since we didn’t know about Spokes until last night, we agreed in transition to allow…”

Cont’d: “…this proposal to go through the GA.” #nycga #ows

Jeff: “Good evening; my name is Jeff and I’m w the housing Working group. The Housing WG would like to continue the process of weekly…”

Cont’d: “…metro card requests that’s been ongoing for 4 weeks to facilitate participation of individuals and WGs making a tangible…”

“…contribution to the daily operation of the occupation.” The NYPD have just arrived. #nycga #ows

“We would like 130 total Metrocards for distribution. The first 30 cards were returned to #OWS accounting from last week’s distro” #nycga

Cont’d: “..and additional 100 new cards, at $29 each, for a total of $2900.” It’s 10 cards less than last week, and $580 fewer. #nycga #ows

“The proposed process for distribution will remain the same. Each person requesting a metro card will need an auth form signed by…”

Cont’d: “…a point person in their working group. Cards will be available in a 1st come, 1st-served basis, distroed 6-9pm at GA or Spokes…”

Cont’d: “…location on Tues, Weds, Thurs, by a committee of representatives of the Housing WG.” #nycga #ows

If you received a card in the previous week, you have to verify you are still in possession. This text is all on nycga.net too. #nycga #ows

OK, Stairs opening floor to clarifying questions, taking stack. First CQ: “I have heard mentioned several times a standard of contribution..

Cont’d: “…to the movement. I’d like to know how that’s defined, and who’s empowered to make that decision.” #nycga #ows

A: “Great question. The Housing WG does not feel empowered to make that decision. We have thus given that power to the working groups..”

Cont’d: “…represented by the point people in each working group. As long as there are Metrocards or resources, we feel that WGs, as the..”

Cont’d: “…basic organizational unit of this movement, should make that decision.” #nycga #ows

Point of information (POI): “I’m developing a template to help make that more transparent, what a defined contribution should be for…”

Cont’d: “…membership in #OWS. Anybody who wants to be on that [group], contact me (Daryl).” #nycga #ows

CQ: “RE: presenting your cards: my wallet was just lost, so how can I present my card if it’s now lost?” #nycga #ows

A: “Good ?. There are concerns that ppl are not using their cards for the intended purposes of transportation. Example given: selling them.”

Cont’d: “Therefore, in the unfortunate circumstance that you lose or your card is stolen, we are requesting that you notify the housing…”

Cont’d: “…group immediately when the card is stolen or lost.” CQ: “What happens when someone reports that?” A: “It’s documented…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…within the housing group that it happened, and the date they reported it is noted.” #nycga #ows

Stairs asks that we stop having side conversations. The space is a little echoey. #nycga #ows

Stairs asks that we stop having side conversations. The space is a little echoey. #nycga #ows

That’s it for CQs, so we’re stacking concerns. “My concern w/ this whole process is kind of like bureaucracy; it’s a bit like..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…applying for welfare. By the time you get forms signed, you have to make calls, you lose them. Why don’t we just assume…” #nycga

Cont’d; “…if people can’t afford a metro card, then they’ll buy their own. And if they can’t, and they’re living in churches, we’ll give..”

Cont’d: “…it to them.” Next concern. “If this doesn’t pass, a lot of ppl won’t be able to find a place to sleep.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d; “To go to a church on time to enter [and sleep], I need a Metrocard. So, they’re a good thing.” #nycga #ows

Yoni: “I’m not sure all WGs have good intentions for the movement. Not all the WGs come to the GA, and that’s OK, but I don’t feel as…”

Cont’d: “…comfortable empowering each working group w/ money and then have no control over them.” “Control?” someone says. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “We are being interrupted by the security of this building. I’m going to continue facilitating.” #nycga #ows

OK, that’s it for concerns. Any friendly amendments? No. Any stand asides? “Again, a stand aside is a personal serious concern, but it..”

Cont’d: “…does not prevent the group from going forward.” We’ve moved to 2 generations of the people’s mic. #nycga #ows

Nan wants to get a concern in, and I guess we didn’t do FAs. “I have a concern for housing. I understand that every week, they come to..”

Cont’d: “…the GA for $ about Metrocards. My concern is this. Since we’re running out of $, I’m concerned down the road, that we won’t..”

Cont’d: “…have money for Metrocards. I’m wondering, when that takes place, what’s Housing going to be doing about it?” #nycga #ows

An emergency announcement. “Ladies and Gentlemen, we are possibly in an arrestable situation b/c we are taking more than 50% of the space.”

“The way to solve this is for everybody to step back behind the second line and spread out. As much as I hate this, I’d hate for you…”

Cont’d: “…all to be arrested. Thank you. Also, please make sure that the entrance to this lovely Starbucks w/ no bathroom is clear.”#nycga

The whole group has moved back; definitely less than 50% of the space at this point. #nycga #ows

OK, back to the housing proposal. Jeff: “Housing is also concerned about the # of funds being used in this organization. 3 weeks ago, we..”

Cont’d: “…were requesting over $4,000 a week for metro cards. We have been putting in a process of accountability and have, at the same…”

Cont’d: “…time, reduced our funding requests by $1500 a week. We are also hoping that past proposals from Info/Comhub…”

Cont’d: “…will give more accountability for which working groups are viable for this movement. Also, we have been exploring other…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…other transportation options- bicycles, school bus, and possibly fundraising in the future.” Not sure yet, tho. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “We’re finished w/ stack for concerns. We’ll open up stack for Friendly Amendments.” (FAs for short.) #nycga #ows

Nan’s the only FA. “I’d like Housing to do some kind of fundraising effort, so they can sustain themselves and then also contribute as…”

Cont’d: “…part of the movement.” Jeff responds that he feels they already are contributing, “but financially, I know that other groups..”

Cont’d: “…have already expressed about how everyone officially in the movement is empowered for active fundraising.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…whether I personally, or the group of Housing in general, is for or against, is another discussion. I will say that we are…”

Cont’d: “…actively exploring other options.” Daniel’s FA: “It seems to me that we bring up Metrocards every week. If we’re going to..”#nycga

Cont’d: “…do this, we might as well get monthly cards. That’s my amendment.” A: “We’ve considered monthly cards. But we have decided not..”

Cont’d: “..to do that, because people often arrive on a weekly basis, and cards are sometimes lost. So we’ll decline that FA.” #nycga #ows

POI: “If you lose a Metrocard, and you pay with a credit card, MTA will reimburse you.” A: “#OWS pays cash.” #LULZ #OWS #NYCGA

FA: “I suggest putting forth a budget for 2 weeks so we don’t have to do this again next week.” #nycga #ows

A: “Clarification: are you requesting we add an additional weeks’ allotment of funds to this proposal?” #nycga #ows

FA: “I’m saying funds to be dispersed next week, reducing liability.” A: “Accepted!” #nycga #ows

Ted’s FA: “That the Housing WG transparently disclose whether cards issued have been lost, so we can discern whether or not it is…”

Cont’d: “…financially rational to invest in using a credit card for monthly passes that we can actually get back.” #nycga #ows

Jeff: “Out of 115 cards distributed last week, only 1 person came forward and said that their card had been lost, and 1 additional said…”

Cont’d: “…their card had been stolen. 2 cards. The cards are pro-rated. If you lose it on the 6th day, you’re only reimbursed 1 day.”

No more FAs; Stairs: “We’ll restate the proposal w/ amendments.” Housing: “Housing WG is requesting 30 Metrocards returned to finance..”

Cont’d: “..last week, and the funds of $2900 for the purchase of 100 cards this week, and an additional $2900 for the purchase of 100..”

Cont’d: “…Metrocards for next week, to be distributed by a previously-defined process.” #nycga #ows

Stairs: “Any blocks?” No! Consensus! Jeff notes distro of first 30 cards starts immediately. #nycga #ows

Next, @OccupyNewark is requesting $ from #OWS to help them buy a list of “items we need to purchase.” #nycga #ows

Their proposal is for $10,000. “Can we get a temperature check on reading the itemized list?” #nycga #ows

Here’s the @OccupyNewark proposal: http://t.co/IFiy5O2j #ows #nycga

#ON: “We have legal approval to occupy 24hrs downtown in the business district, which is the heart of Newark, NJ!” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We do not have barricades surrounding our parks! We do not have the fear of getting locked up for peaceful assembly!” #nycga

Cont’d: “…or, peaceful protest. This is because the Newark Police Department suffered over 160 layoffs. They are obviously acknowledging..”

Cont’d: “…themselves as part of the 99%! What we don’t have is the people power, such as yourselves, that can help us keep our encampment..”

Cont’d: “…going throughout this winter! We have people sleeping in camping tents w/o heaters. Someone is going to get sick, catch…” #nycga

Cont’d: “..pneumonia, and possibly die. I don’t want that on my conscience. I don’t know who all read the proposal, but it also states…”

Cont’d: “…that if finance is the issue, can you at least help us receive some of the supplies.” Stairs asks folks not to lean against glass.

Now opening stack for CQs. @shawncarrie has a POI tho: “The site of the Newark encampment is an historic site! It’s the location where..”

Cont’d; “..George Washington camped out w/ his troops during the coldest winter of the first American Revolution. My CQ is, how many..”

Cont’d; “…ppl can sleep in a military tent?” A: “It depends on the size of the tent,” but thinks they can get close to 200 ppl in the park.

“We want to get 25 2-man tents. But we welcome as much support as we can get.” They invite us to bring own tents, too. #nycga #ows

CQ: “What’s the purpose of $2500 for emergency funds?” A: “The emergency funds are going to be reserved by Accounting and will only…”

Cont’d: “…be issued for emergency situations or supplies.” John the EMT comes up, also from @OccupyNewark. #nycga #ows

“We need emergency funds for medical supplies! I need a tent for heat, for hypothermia patients.” Stairs calls for next on stack. #nycga

CQ for facilitation: “I don’t understand how we should make financial decisions w/o understanding the ramifications for the rest of budget.”

Stairs: “GA has the pwr to make those decisions. If they feel they don’t have enough information, they can decide not to pass the proposal.”

#ON: “These funds will be used for the items on the list. We will be totally accountable and transparent.” #nycga #ows

They say this request is for items they’ve overlooked in their previous fund allocation: medical supplies, transportation, etc. #nycga #ows

A POI: “$2500 is 1/4 of our weekly food budget. Any decision we make should keep that in mind.” #nycga #ows

Nan’s CQ is essentially just praise for Newark. “They’re not like New York; they’re very poor. If we pass this proposal, I’m asking..”

Cont’d: “..you guys, please take care of the supplies, because we’re running out of money. That’s my concern.” #nycga #ows

A: “Again, we do not have police raiding our encampment. We don’t have any acts of vandalism going on– we take a lt of pride in our city..”

Cont’d: “…regardless of what’s being displayed in the media. So I assure you, we’ll treat it as precious as you would.” #nycga #ows

They’re also working off of less than $20/day in donations. Sage: “Do we have any tents left over from #D17 that might be suitable?” #nycga

SIS says they have a few tents, sleeping bags, clothes, but not quite sure how many. “SIS still needs a computer.” #nycga #ows

Stairs suggests that SIS talk to @OccupyNewark and try to figure it out. #nycga #ows

Yoni: “CQ: On website, it says you’ll be buying some supplies from Wal-Mart. Are you still going to?” A: “No, we’re not. There was a…”

Cont’d: “…reason for that, but we can’t, not on this.” OK, no more CQs! Stacking up concerns. Aaron says the NYPD told him we’re find as…

Cont’d: …long as we keep an open pathway. Next concern: “I don’t want anyone to be cold in the winter! However, I’m concerned about the..”

Cont’d: “…funds running out, and w/ #ON not having all expenses accounted for nor communication re: available resources here.” #nycga #ows

She suggests we should give some funds, but to reconsider the total? Hard to hear. Daryl’s FA is to subtract cost of physical items given.

A: “We’ll accept the FA; it’s not about $, it’s about lives.” Anymore FAs? Temp check: looks good… #nycga #ows

Any standasides? No. Any blocks? No! CONSENSUS! Proposers: “Pls take a GA field trip to @OccupyNewark so you see what you’re helping out!”

Next, a Proposal to End Corporate Personhood! “We’re here tonight to get your support in trying to end corporate personhood!” #nycga #ows

They state they want to end the US constitution and pursue “certain reforms while we pursue revolution… because money is not speech!” #nycga

They passed around the text of it, but they’ll read a little bit. Here’s the full text: http://t.co/9hKia3ze

“Due to opportunity provided by their great wealth, corporations use the legal system to overpower human beings and communities.” #nycga

“Corporations are not mentioned it the constitution, and we’re particularly disturbed at the rollbacks of legal limits to corporate…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…spending creates an unequal playing field.” #nycga #ows

Additionally, on 1/20 and 1/21, they’re organizing several actions across city on 2-year anniversary of the Citizens United ruling. #nycga

“We propose this resolution as one of many strategies to work towards empowerment, not as an endorsement of political party..”

Cont’d: “…or of the current political system, just as one of many strategies to end corporate dominion.” #nycga #ows

“The resolution is also online, on the GA agenda for tonight!” Pete Levin, from the NYCC, is a sponsor of the resolution at the city council

Councilor Levin notes that they’ll be voting on that resolution tomorrow at City Hall. #nycga #ows

OK, no CQs, so it’s time for Concerns stack. Concern: “This is a demand for reform.” #nycga #ows

A: “As a movement, we want to move forward… the idea that corporations are not people” is one we want to stand in solidarity with. #nycga

Lopi’s concern is with some of the language, but I missed it. Sorry, Lopi. Daryl is concerned that more things like this don’t pass. #nycga

They say the word “fiction” is about their personhood; also, they have removed demands from the language in response to Sunday’s GA…

“Rather, [we want to state] our values in asserting that corporations should not be considered people. We are not demanding political…”

Cont’d: “…action, joining a specific group, or passing any sort of legal thing.” Concern: “There are many different viewpoints and maybe..”

Cont’d; “…even demands that #OWS could conceivably make. I don’t think that the right move is for any one of those demands to get out..”

Cont’d; “..in front of any of the others.” Wants us to work together and come out united.” OK, friendly amendments. “I used to have…”

Cont’d: “…concerns about this being a demand, and after reading it, I think it’s carefully written, phrased, and doesn’t violate our…”

Cont’d: “…statement of autonomy, which says ‘speak with us, not for us.” But has one amendment: take out #OWS so the proposal simply reads..

Cont’d: …”the general assembly of new york city.” More powerful than to say we’re just the GA of #OWS. #nycga #ows

A: “I really appreciate the thoughtfulness you articulated. My concern w/ not including the phrase “Occupy Wall Street” is we’ve…”

Cont’d: “…worked so hard to grow the movement, that #OWS is familiar to all, while the #NYCGA is a function of the movement.”

Shawn understands. “If you don’t want to take the FA, I still support the proposal.” But still feels the GA is #OWS, and vice-versa.

OK, no more FAs. Restating the proposal. “We’d like to ask #OWS to endorse the resolution in solidarity w/ @OccupyLA in stating that…”

Cont’d: “…corporations are not people. and money is not speech, and we invite you to join in w/ actions on 1/20 and 1/21.” #nycga #ows

Sorry, had to switch to thumbs! There was a block, not by Shawn, but with same request as his FA, tho more for reason of clarity. #NYCGA

They accepted the block’s suggested FA, so we got full consensus in support of the resolution in refutation of corporate personhood! #Nycga

Next on the agenda is Nan’s proposal, and holy deity is it cold right now. Daryl is helping her present. They want an audit of #OwS finances

Nan: “My working group’s concern is: we don’t like the IRS, don’t want IRS coming after us.” #OwS #nycga

Sorry, we’re being hassled for using public power outlets. So far ppl seem to be asking basic info about our accounts. We have 2 accounts…

…one under auspices of non-profit sponsor, and one that isn’t, because non-profits have limits on how their $ can be used. #OWS #NYCGA

Lopi asks Nan if she’d accept an audit on her own working group’s funds; Nan was defensive and Lopi noted Accounting says Nan.. #nycga #ows

…and her working group has had issues accounting for some of their funds as well. #OWS #nycga

CQ: all members of accounting have had background checks. Can you also have your background checked before you perform an audit? #OWS #NYCGA

Ok, someone’s concern is that they don’t trust Nan’s motives. Nan: “this is about accounting, and avoiding the IRS.” #nycga #ows

Lopi’s concerns are “too great to state briefly,” but highlights concern that Nan might get access to the anonymous donor info. #NYCGA #OWS

Nan: “Lopi, the way we’re going to audit it, we’re not going to publish the donors’ names.” she won’t be there when audit is done… #nycga

…Daryl, her co-proposer, who has an accounting background (?) would take care of overseeing the audit. #OWS #NYCGA

Concern: “This divisive issue has come before the GA before, and we rejected it. We’re wasting ppl’s time in freezing cold, and we may not..

“..get to the one remaining proposal because we’re again hearing this proposal.” Nan notes that it was tabled on NYE. #OWS #NYCGA

Ok, friendly amendments: @jdegroot makes a FA that states that Nan won’t have any additional empowerment above the rest of us as a result…

Cont’d: …of this proposal. “this should resolve many concerns.” Nan and Daryl accept it. Lopi wants to see it in print. #OWS #NYCGA

Robert’s FA: that this proposal can’t of “move forward w/o the approval of the Accounting Working group.” Nan: “Forget about it.” #NYCGA

Next FA is anyone who looks at Accounting’s books must pass a background check, same as anyone else who joins accounting. #OWS #NYCGA

They accepted the friendly amendment requiring background checks. Restating: proposal is to get an external accountant to prepare #OWS for..

…tax time, w/o anyone getting special powers among occupiers and w/ background… Oh, now they’re balking on the background check? Yeah.

No background check. Temp checking moving to consensus.. “I’m seeing a lot of negatives.” also, we’re out of time. TC on extending time…

…also very negative. Nan tables her proposal. Now we’re trying to decide whether or not to keep going because it’s so cold.

Ok, next proposal is the “Occupy the New Hampshire Primary” dealie. I beg you to look it up on nycga.net and send me the link so I can…

…save my limited number of remaining taps before my hands expire. #NYCGA #OWS

The only FA was “make sure you kick ass.” oh, Ted also suggests they make effort be4 leaving to try to get donated funds if possible. #NYCGA

Restated prop: Total budget is $1650, which is just basic transport and facilities. FA was to ask for in-kind donations if possible. #OWS

Oh, plus $250 for an occupation in NH. $1900 total. Standasides? No! Blocks? No! Consensus! #OWS #NYCGA

(Moving in closer w/ much smaller crowd, we’re feeling a little more focused, and slightly less cold. Slightly.)

Next proposal is to “Go to #j17!” Proposer is requesting that people go to DC and that #OWS express solidarity. #OWS #NYCGA

A concern was expressed that expressing solidarity w/ an “event that violates the principles of solidarity of #OWS” by interfacing w/…

…national governing bodies w/o a directly democratic method of setting the agenda.” proposer feels the concern and the FA that came…

…out of it, which was for ppl to go individually, and not endorse it or “express solidarity”– proposer agreed w/ this concern, but…

…most people expressed that they didn’t support that FA, so the proposer turned it down. But, when that became a block, and the blocker…

…said “I beg of you all not to consent to this; there is no difference between an endorsement and expressing solidarity w/ something…”

Cont’d “…and we need to be consistent in our adherence to direct democracy and the principles of solidarity…” the proposer again…

…expressed sympathy and considered tabling the proposal. Stairs suggested that for a proposer to agree w/ a blocking concern.. #nycga #OWS

…seemed to indicate that moving to consensus was suspect. But many ppl insisted that we move to modified consensus on the proposal. #nycga

So, we did. About 6 people voted for and at least as many voted against, so the proposal did not reach modified consensus. #nycga #OWS

So, that’s it! These last few tweets, I waited to post til my hands re-entered a building. Thanks for yr patience fam! #nycga #ows

Also, big thanks to everyone who turned out in crazy cold tonight to defend our right to assemble. Make no mistake, they “expect us”…

…to follow through when we come for serious. And they didn’t want to mess with even the numbers we could get in 15 degrees. #OWS #NYCGA

[Also, thanks to @what_a_fiasco for throwing me some gloves! Crucial. if y'all have questions/comments/concerns, hit me up on @DiceyTroop!]

Tweets for Mon, 02 Jan 2012

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RT @OWSFacilitation: Spokes Council at 7pm tonight. West Park Presbyterian Church.165 W 86th St,1/B/C to 86th St. This is an all-inclusi …

Hi fam! The #OWS Spokescouncil meeting tonight is starting. Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4 for tweets. #nycsc

Daryl and Hermes will co-facilitate tonight. We’ll refer to them as “Stairs” for short. #nycsc #ows

Tonight’s meeting has a hard end time of 10. “There are items on the agenda from last week, so we’ll review, then reportbacks, then agenda.”

1: “Empower the body as a spokescouncil,” 2. “Talk about how to deal w/ disruptors,” 3. A proposal from town planning for those things…

Cont’d: 4. Discuss issue from last week of exclusion, 5. Defining what a Spokescouncil is / its purpose. #nycsc #ows

Stairs takes the room’s temperature: “Do we all agree to start w/ how to deal w/ disrupters?” “That’s pretty mixed.” #nycsc #ows

Daryl gets a much warmer response for discussing completing the formation of the Spokescouncil. Ths process was interrupted by eviction #OWS

Now we’re temp-checking discussing what happened at Friday’s spokes. “That’s pretty mixed.” #nycsc #ows

Someone says: “The GA is the only body that can nominate spokes.” [I don't think that's true. -Ed.] #nycsc #ows

“How does the current group feel about discussing the definition of the Spokescouncil as the second agenda item?” Mixed… #nycsc #ows

Nan came in. “Just in time!” she said. @carriem213 raised the issue that Nan was a spoke last Wednesday, so she cannot spoke tonight. #nycsc

Nan is saying she came just to make an announcement, but Carrie says the list says she signed in as a spoke. #nycsc #ows

Robert notes that the once-a-week Spoking proposal, passed recently, says in the text “even momentarily” counts as Spoking. #nycsc #ows

Carrie: “The proposal this body passed says that people cannot Spoke twice in a 7-day period. She spoked Wednesday.” #nycsc #ows

Nathan: “The only thing we can go by that’s not opinion or a statement is that sign-in sheet that Minutes is empowered to maintain.” #nycsc

[Livestream of tonight's Spokescouncil thx to @TesselizaTC: http://t.co/gOQzGBgT] #nycsc #ows

Nan’s discussion with Stairs and Carrie turned into a back-and-forth, with Nan filibustering, raising noise and tension in the room. #nycsc

Lots of people put up “respect the house” hand signals, which is with two hands making a roof overhead. #nycsc #ows

Someone else really wants to talk about how working groups shouldn’t disavow people. I have a feeling what that’s about. #nycsc #ows

WG reportbacks! Facilitation: “Last night, we were evicted from a POPS space that was supposed to be open 7am to midnight.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “We’ll be holding the GA tomorrow at 100 William St, in solidarity w/ DA, @OWScom, NLG, maybe ACLU and city council members.”

Cont’d: “We need all of you to go for this action.” Robert: “What we’re doing tomorrow is very important, and that we’re on our best…”

Cont’d: “..behavior.” Asks that anyone with interest in more dramatic action hold off tomorrow, and that we focus on our GA process.#nycsc

Next, Lopi from Direct Action Painters: “I need 6 ppl tomorrow to hold banners that talk about free assembly, so they can form protective..”

Cont’d: “…space around” the GA tomorrow. Safer spaces next: “We’re working on a community agreement process. We’ve been…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…circulating copies, and we have copies here tonight.” Would like feedback & for working groups to adopt it as their own. #nycsc

Legal’s rprtback: “RE: meeting tomorrow @ 56 Walker from 5-7pm, Legal wants NLG to hear more from OWS, answer Qs abt movement legal issues.”

Also, Legal is working on lawsuits against the city and Brookfield and is planning broad actions in support of those filings. #nycsc #ows

Ashley from PoCC is telling us about the debriefing we heard about before two Spokescouncils ago. Someone else calls her out for her…

Cont’d: …report not reflecting PoCC meetings or listserv. She lifted up facilitation accountability and commitment to justice. #nycsc #ows

Accounting: “Bring us receipts, plus we always love to see you!” Volunteer Services: “We’ve changed our name to OWS Works!” #nycsc #ows

Arts and Culture: “We have a number of the Declaration of the Occupation flowchart posters here tonight for folks who have a use for them.”

Jackie: “You may have read in the press that both the 32J and Nurses’ contracts were settled, and they think it’s because #OWS was…”

Cont’d: “…involved.” Not the greatest contact, but it’s “our victory!” #nycsc #ows

OK, so we’re moving onto empowering this body as a Spokescouncil. “The first process was to approve groups, and then we’d be empowered…”

Robert notes that the proposal for tonight was to just plain call the Spokescouncil empowered. Carrie clarifies… #nycsc #ows

Carrie: “Melanie’s item was to decide, once and for all, whether we are empowered as a Spokescouncil.” #nycsc #ows

There’s some confusion as to whether to treat this as a proposal, to empower the Spokes, or to temp check whether we feel empowered. #nycsc

Facilitation: “There’s some confusion about what the procedure is. Can we review what the process was of creating spokes?” #nycsc #ows

Robert offers to pull up the original document that created Spokescouncil; Nan yells out she doesn’t trust Robert to do so. #nycsc #ows

CQ: “Does the document specify when Spokes would become active?” Robert says it doesn’t. Someone else says we should just do stuff. #nycsc

Also in question: do we start over approving groups, continue where we left off, or do we consider it empowered without doing so? #nycsc

Robert’s take: “The question before the body tonight is, ‘is it empowered or is it not?’, yes or no.” #nycsc #ows

Tonight’s Stairs seem a little unsure how to proceed in determining which question we’re answering: ‘empowered already?’/ ‘how to empower?’

Nathan, spoking for Facilitation, suggests that we need to have a common understanding of where we are before we can move fwd. #nycsc #ows

Someone points out that during the ‘weird period’ after the assembly process for SC broke down, “everyone was a Spoke”, meaning all WGs.

Cont’d: “Does that mean that we’re already spokes or not?” Someone else asks if we really want to return to arduous confirmation process.

Someone: “It’d be better than what we’ve been doing,” arduous or not. De-escalation spoke continues, asking whether we want to develop…

Cont’d: …another process. POP: “PoC did not empower Ashley to act as our spokes. We’ve been in communication w/ other members of our…”

Cont’d: “…caucus, and this kills me to interrupt this productive discussion, but this is not cool. This is not OK.” #nycsc #ows

POPer: “We’re empowered as a caucus to convene.” PoC is convening! [I love this superpower. Surprise unity moment!] #nycsc #ows

They’re convening outside the room tho, my impression is it’s not to halt the process as last time. #nycsc #ows

Next, someone points out, someone could show up in 6 months and say, “hey, you got everything back on track on January 2nd, but looking..”

Cont’d: “…at your documents from before, you’re still not actually valid.” That’s what he’s concerned about.. suggests that 19 groups…

Cont’d: …that have been previously approved could spoke and approve new groups. Or, we could return to full pre-spokes process. #nycsc

Cont’d: “We may also need a new proposal on how to include new groups, if we choose to start w/ existing 19.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs summarizes: “2 options: 1 is that we empower the 19 groups as current sitting spokescouncil, then have new process for adding more.”

Cont’d: “..or, we can go back to where we were before, and vote them in as if last 2 months had never happened.” #nycsc #ows

Nina, Spoke for Info: “I think we should acknowledge that stuff has changed significantly since Spokescouncil passed.” Trying to stick…

Cont’d: ..to process established pre-eviction is “like sticking a square peg in a round hole.” We should be easier on ourselves. #nycsc #ows

Nina cont’d: “Do we have enough intelligent people in the room to make decisions?” Imagines what we’d be talking about if not this. #nycsc

Robert: “Either this group of people decides that we’re a body that’s empowered tonight, or we’ve got to resume the intake process.”

Stephen: is 3rd option: “Whoever is in an approved working group, thru working group process now in place since GA proposal, gets a spoke.”

Someone: “We’ve already made plans as spokes, acted as spokes. Deciding whether or not we’re spokes is like deciding whether we’re human.”

Legal agrees w/ the “concise gentleman.” “We’re all in the room, we’re all spokes; this convo should end, we can remove groups in future.”

Facilitation: “Spokes is empowered to modify spokes; we felt empowered to do that, & can make everyone who’s involved now a spoke, be done.”

Next two people agree with this idea. Stairs requests that minutes read back the list of options and then somehow choose. #nycsc #ows

PoCC re-enters the room, and Ashley has officially been given the power to Spoke for PoCC tonight. #nycsc #ows

Tech notes that they don’t feel the eviction changes the definition of “operational” very much. #nycsc #ows

Tech: “Spokes has the ability to change itself… we allowed groups not confirmed to speak, no one complained. So I think we changed…”

Cont’d: “…Spokes in doing that, and we shouldn’t have to go back to that decision.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs notes there’s an issue, which is whether or not we are going to deviate from the official process written by the GA. #nycsc #ows

Others say, “We’ve already done it.” Ashley says that PoCC folks “she’s talked to” thinks proposals being brought shld be run by caucuses…

Cont’d: …before being brought to Spokes. “And not all disruptions are visible; some are subtle.” #nycsc #ows

Safer Spaces says their understanding is that the 19 groups approved are the Spokes, except for the decision we made to let all be spokes…

Cont’d: …which we could re-state now, or just continue w/ without further resolution. #nycsc #ows

Stephen notes again his suggestion that the proposal that “becomes effective on the 20th” to define working groups could resolve the issue.

Next: “This discussion started again b/c a financial proposal was brought to Spokes, and Finance WG questioned its empowerment.” #nycsc #ows

“I don’t want us to stick to process so much that it will be problematic.” Since GA is definitely the empowered decision-making body…

Cont’d: …this might be a conversation that should be brought to the GA. “I know that’s unpopular,” but there might be issues. #nycsc #ows

@Scott1850 eh? can’t do this on facebook. what do you mean tho?

Labor Outreach working group notes that the proposal on the floor solves the problem by just straight-up declaring whether we’re empowered.

“Another proposal can come up to determine who is a spokes. But let’s get thru this question of whether this body is empowered.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs agrees, and wants to put the question of whether or not this body is empowered — people are excited. “Right now!” everyone says…

…in actually profound unison. I’m not even exaggerating. Not everyone, but like many people. Loud refrain: “Right now!” #nycsc #ows

So, Stairs is going to temp check moving to consensus on empowering Spokescouncil, “pending working out rest of details.” #nycsc #ows

Someone asked who (which working groups) would receive this empowerment since we may empower the SC… Stairs says, “Everyone in this…”

Cont’d: “…room will be empowered for now.” We’ve done a temperature check and are moving to consensus on empowering the #nycsc. #ows

CONSENSUS! Everyone flips out as we resolve a small question that’s festered and grown since eviction: cn we approve budget requests? #nycsc

Stairs: “The spokescouncil is currently empowered to move forward and to make decisions, the first two of which will be what we do about…”

Cont’d: “…moving in groups.” Someone nominates Housing to join the Spokescouncil, trying to get right down to business. #nycsc #ows

Nathan (Facilitation) proposes that “the guidelines for membership in the Spokescouncil would be in keeping w/ accepted guidelines…”

Cont’d: “…of what is needed to be a working group or caucus in #OWS” as per the Comhub proposal from 12/20. #nycsc #ows

CQ: “In original SC proposal, didn’t it give the SC the ability to admit or not admit a working group?” GA may have criteria, but SC…

Cont’d: …can set additional criteria. “They don’t need to be admitted just because they meet GA criteria.” #nycsc #ows

[For the record, re: conflict b/w Nan and Minutes, Nan is standing to the side, not spoking nor currently disrupting the meeting.]

De-escalation suggests we just let new WGs or caucuses come to one meeting, watch the first time, then be Spokes, until/unless removed.

Press: “What does that mean for working groups that aren’t working groups? Like the “Destroy Spokes” WG, or NYCGA Council WG?” #nycsc #ows

POI: “An option: on the 20th, when the Comhub proposal kicks in, we’re going to have far fewer working groups.” Spokescouncil… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: …could require that Spokes meet those minimum standards, as a given. Also, “this may be an opportune moment to have an open…”

Cont’d: “…discussion about what the Spokescouncil ought to be.” Reviewing: min 5 members, minutes need to be posted, must… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…meet somewhere in the area once a week.” Those are some of the Comhub criteria for being a working group. #nycsc #ows

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Robert complained that this discussion isn’t part of the agenda we agreed on Friday and wants to go to previous items, starting w/ the…

…confirmation of his WG as a member of Spokes. But Stairs isn’t certain we’re ready to have that discussion until we decide how Spokes..

Cont’d: …will be added. De-escalation agrees, Housing’s inclusion proposal is moot until we’re sure it’s even needed. #nycsc #ows

Stairs asserts that we agreed to continue to question of adding Spokes immediately following empowerment consensus, and should go forth.

Someone asserts we can’t make that decision now anyway because there’s a 24-hour review period on agenda items. [Not in Spokes. -Ed.] #nycsc

Labor Outreach says again that we have a 24-hour rule; Stairs finally recognizes Press’ POP to correct this misinfo. #nycsc #ows

Labor Outreach suggests that we wait
to discuss this until after the 20th, and Stairs suggests we move forward with it. Press POPs…

POP from Press; “There were other ideas raised. We shouldn’t just move forward on the most recent proposal.” #nycsc #ows

Nathan’s concern: “So, b/w now and the 20th, all groups that show up would be members of the Spokescouncil?” #nycsc #ows

Proposal restated: “We continue to function as we have; groups that come here function until the 20th, at which point the GA procedure…”

Cont’d: “…kicks in, plus whatever other criteria we decide.” #nycsc #ows

FA from Press: “Let’s just set the GA criteria up to kick in to determine who is a Spoke on the 20th, until/unless we set more criteria.”

Cont’d: “That way it won’t be open-ended after the 20th, but we can set more criteria later.” #nycsc #ows

Restarting the proposal: “We don’t discuss criteria until the 20th, when GA criteria kick in, and then we can set own criteria if we…”

Cont’d: “…want to.” OK, temp checking the spokes’ views of this proposal! “That looks pretty good! Any standasides?” Housing, Accounting?

Daryl asks for blocks. NO BLOCKS! “Then the proposal passes!” Yay, clarity. #nycsc #ows

So, we have 30 minutes left, and are working to decide which proposals we’ll hear next. Stairs suggests discussing exclusion last week…

Cont’d: ..is the most time-sensitive prop. “Can I get a temperature check on discussion wht happened last week w/ exclusion of individuals?”

Not an overwhelming response. Also, could discuss Thoren/Livestream and defining spokes. Nan: “I think we should talk about Friday.” #nycsc

Also, could talk about Oakland solidarity actions, but the Facilitation spoke reminds us that SC can’t discuss movement items. #nycsc #ows

Carrie clarifies, it was agreed on as an agenda item last meeting, so we can temp check it down, but already agreed to bring it up. #nycsc

Nathan again asserts that we can discuss it, but not decide on anything as it’s movement-related and only GA is empowered to discuss. #nycsc

The other one is the discussion about Thorin and Livestream; it has something w/ the document that’s been circulating disclaiming him…

Thorin: “There are two issues; one is some amount of money folks say was stolen from Finance, that has nothing to do w/ media or me.” #nycsc

Thorin is just explaining what the agenda item is, b/c many are confused. “This is a separate issue [from the finance thing].” #nycsc #ows

[To untangle that a bit: someone is here to propose disallowing working groups from "disavowing" people. I think this is basically a...]

[...roundabout way to address Thorin's beef, which is w/ the Media WG disavowing association w/ him due to mostly-unspecified concerns.]

After several lukewarm temp checks on agenda items, Stairs decides the most support was for discussing Friday’s exclusion. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “We’ll discuss this for 15 minutes and then leave 5 for closing,” #nycsc #ows

Nathan: “There was confusion last week abt how the list was created, what the Pastor’s role was.” Wants explanation of what happened. #nycsc

Someone suggests that since Jason isn’t a spoke tonight, he can’t explain what happened w/ the list of ppl who couldn’t attend Spokes…

…which we thought was from the Pastor, but later were told was created by Jason. Nan was on this list. It was a whole thing. #nycsc #ows

Ashley: “I want to make it clear that I disassociated myself 2 weeks ago from two ppl in this room,” because was blocking things just…

Cont’d: “…to block them.” And someone else, “shouldn’t be able to have a GA Working Group” since they’re not the GA, we are. #nycsc

Ashley: “I <3 this community and want to move forward, but we have a rule you can only speak once a week, and you can’t break that just…”

Cont’d: “…because you want to break that.” Some claps. Ashley also threw in something about someone threatening someone physically…

Cont’d: …and she ain’t cool w/ that. Jason: “Just to be clear, no one was banned from SC. People were banned from the space due to the..”

Cont’d: “…conversations that were had w/ many ppl including the pastor of this church, who wanted to make sure ppl respect this space…”

Cont’d: …due to many people who meet here, multiple faith groups and now 100 occupiers who sleep here. “The Wednesday night display…”

Cont’d: “…of one of the ppl on the list, and one person who appeared to me and to the Pastor to be accompanying them — the anger…”

Cont’d: “..the language was so bad — vulgar, he said — that they were asked not to be allowed into the building.” Jason is listing a…

…laundry list of places Nan appears and disrupts. “It made sense to me to think this person shouldn’t be allowed in this space b/c..”

Cont’d: “..of the concerns raised. It was up to me. It was up to us. It was up to Spokes to decide whether to go or whether to stay.” #nycsc

Other names on the list: “In the office, it became clear others were making this body dysfunctional. breaking process, innuendo, breaking..”

Cont’d: “…spoke thing — and for the sanctity of the space we were just moving into, we decided they could not enter.” #nycsc #ows

Jason closes by saying he stands by the process and the list that himself and “about 15 other ppl” made during this process. #nycsc #ows

Robert: “It was decided… ppl were banned. Who decided and who did the banning?” #nycsc #ows

Jason: “The conversation started w/ one person.” Nan: “Who’s that?” Jason: “You. And it turned to… should I name names?” “YES!” many say.

Jason turns to another dude, whose name he doesn’t know, and who immediately interrupts him. He’s very confrontational… #nycsc #ows

Daryl mic checks, and Robert restates his question to Jason. “Who decided there’d be banning? Who created the list?” #nycsc #ows

Jason: “When it was started Weds, the list made itself, and came out of a room at the office.” Won’t name ppl not here, or who made list…

Cont’d: “…because they can’t…” Nan starts yelling. Jason says: “To take responsibility for my behavior, I’ll say it was me, taking…”

Cont’d: “…into account the concerns of the Pastor.” And to avoid disrespecting other users of the space. “It was a hard decision… “

Cont’d: “…but one that I felt I needed to make” for the good of the good, or something. Nan demands names. Jason takes fall. #nycsc #ows

Safer Spaces: “There’s about to be this huge controversy of having SC in the same place where ppl are staying,” combines questions…

Cont’d: …of who’s allowed to stay here, and who can attend meetings. “We need to make sure one subset doesn’t control access to entire…”

Cont’d: “..movement.” Also on the 21st, we tabled a proposal to set community agreements and process to exclude, and notes that these…

Cont’d: …events pre-empted the process that we decided to start then. “If we need to exclude, it needs to be decided by this body.”

.@NegestiC notes that Pastor said he wanted us to make a safe space, but didn’t mandate a list. Asks Jason if we needed the list for that.

Jason: “You’re right. I was in a position… but I’ll say this: the Pastor of the church cares deeply about this movement. Watches…”

Cont’d: “…livestream. Has a good understanding of consensus. Um…you’re right. I didn’t want to jeopardize this space..” for spokes…

Cont’d: “…& for ppl sleeping here. But you’re right. I made a decision that, tho I’m not sure I’d take it back, it was wrong. I admit it.”

Someone says he appreciates tht Jason apologized. Notes that we do have these individuals who disrupt, “need mediation” – Nan interrupts.

“When we did lose Far Rockaway, it was really bad, b/c it was really nice, beach, ocean. One individual destroyed that, and it was…”

Cont’d: “…merchandise was lost as well. Because one individual destroyed that, and things left there got moldy.” #nycga #ows

Speaks to Jason’s concern for broader movement, “people need places to sleep,” tho it was bad how it was done, no one else had acted. #nycsc

Libor: “I’ve done it for same reasons, but as an individual. List sort of matched names in my internal list.” Says Spokes are… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: …equally at fault for standing by. Someone else: “It matters how we do things. We weren’t told the truth; people asked very real..

Cont’d: “…questions, and we were told the list came from the church. And we continued, but people were really uncomfortable doing it…”

Cont’d: “…and the discussion revolved around that. To Nan, as an individual, I’m sorry.” Kelvin also apologizes. #nycsc #ows

Kelvin: “If we’re going to be brave enough to stand up to the cops, we need to be brave enough to stand up to each other sometimes.”

“We need to be able to look at our peers and say, I’m sorry, but you’re not helping; you’re doing more harm than good.” #nycsc #ows

Nan is on stack. “Jason, I will never forgive you for what you did, and I honestly hope you burn in hell. Pastor, same to you.” #nycsc

Nan: “Now that I’ve gotten that out of the way: who the fuck — it doesn’t matter. We are a movement. When we say we are the 99%, we make..”

Cont’d: “…decisions as the 99%. 15 people do not have that power.” Nan wants names so she can ‘em to mediation. Folks are raising hands.

Folks started to drown Nan out with “I’m one of them,” way more than 15. Stairs interrupts, says that’s messed up, let’s Nan continue.

Nan: “That’s exactly what Congress and the Pres are doing; they’re excluding us. I think every one of us on that list is owed an apology.”

Next, Jason: “Jason, standing up and apologizing, props — that’s a really hard thing to do. I think that’s dope, and we should all take…”

Cont’d: “..a hint from that.” RE: people making folks feel unsafe, “We need a proposal to figure out how to deal w/ that. If someone is…”

Cont’d: “…sitting behind me, as they were 10 minutes ago, saying, ‘I’m going to rip her head off,’”, tht person shouldn’t be here!” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…because I don’t feel safe around that person.” We must have a process and stick to it to deal w/ these ppl. #nycsc #ows

Robert asks for the names on the list. Trish, Sage, Ashley, Nan, Michael. “Libor is right; even if we didn’t approve of how the bans…”

Cont’d: “…happened, we were culpable.” Suggests we owe them a statement of culpability. “We prohibited you from being heard in a meeting.”

Cont’d: “I believe we owe them a statement of regret,” and a pledge that we won’t let this same wrong happen again. #nycsc #ows

Jason: “I just want to acknowledge how important it is that we had this discussion for the healing of this group, and how important…”

Cont’d: “..it is that we come up w/ a compassionate way to deal w/ disrupters.” Thinks we can deal w/ this once and for all w/ love. #nycsc

Ashley feels someone threatening violence is an “excuse to ask that person to leave.” But “what happened Friday, where a clique made..”

Cont’d: “…decisions w/o getting consensus, not enrolling caucuses before voting on — I’ve never physically threatened anyone; for…”

Cont’d: “…Jason to put me on that list had to do w/ personal conflicts w/ him, and was a way to marginalize me.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “We are a democracy and we need to step up or step back.” “We need accountability and transparency.” The messenger vs the message.

Ashley: “We need to practice what we preach and not be hypocrites.” #nycsc #ows

Someone: “I think a problem we have is we don’t understand each other. I keep saying this,” but we have different experiences. “We need…”

Cont’d: “…to have a meeting like this where we sit down, go person to person, and learn about each other. That way, when someone curses..”

Cont’d: “..in church, we might” have a wider perspective, not jump on ppl. “B/c I think some people’s problems get jumped on & some don’t.”

Jason: “I apologize to the body; if I didn’t say it before, I apologize to this body; I absolutely respect #OWS, as crazy as it is…”

Cont’d: “…sometimes. But I won’t apologize to people who won’t be accountable for their own behavior. I can’t, and I won’t.” #nycsc #ows

Jason: “I was involved in making a decision w/ weight I’ve never held before.” Took idea of exclusion seriously. “But we weren’t able…”

Cont’d: “…to make a decision I needed to make, and it could have cost a large amount to a huge # of people.” Doesn’t like how these..

Cont’d: …conversation tends to get flipped around back onto “victims”. “They drop unfounded accusations, race bombs in middle of the…”

Cont’d: “…middle of the room and watch them explode, and don’t always have command of issues they’re wielding.” Prays that we figure..

Cont’d: ..out how to draw some lines here. Dwayne: “I was going to come up and talk about myself, but I respect everyone’s time, and won’t.”

Dwayne: “I feel, as much as Jason should apologize to the group, you (Nan) should apologize to me, for wasting my time.” Rushes to SC…

Cont’d: …after work evry day. “If you’re asking Jason for an apology, you should give me an apology for wasting my time for 3 months now.”

Tessa: “Nan, I’m speaking to you, WADR for you as a human being and your dedication to the movement — I mean, anyone who’s here, at…”

Cont’d: “…any of these meetings, I implicitly have respect for. I know that you’re here for this. and the way things went down on Friday..

Cont’d: “..was wrong, and we know that. But I have never once heard an apology from you. And even the incident w/ the Aryan Nation sign…”

Cont’d: “…we were in the middle of a discussion about exclusion, and this guy put this sign up, in jest, however not funny that was…”

Cont’d: “…and it got noticed, and this guy quietly got up and left. And… we’re you. You have to start trusting us a little bit.” #nycsc

Nan interrupts. Tessa: “Then you’re not — you’re just speaking for yourself. And the idea of the room is it’s supposed to be consensus.”

Cont’d: “And you don’t want there to be tyranny of the majority. But at a certain point — it’s been well-established what those behaviors..

Cont’d: “..are that are unacceptable. Don’t curse, i.e. Don’t interrupt. Don’t tell people to burn in hell. Just start with that…” #nycsc

Nan interrupts. “That’s my personal opinion — ” Tessa offers to wrap up, while folks make space for her to finish. “You clearly want to…”

Cont’d: “…be in this. So just try! Try for one day! I’ve seen Sage do it! Pull back the behavior that’s problematic. Try to work — try..”

Cont’d: “..just try! Try! And I haven’t seen you try at all.” Nan is either on the phone or pretending to be on the phone. #nycsc #ows

Stairs offers Nan a chance to speak. “I will never trust some individuals in this group w/ my life. I’ll put it that way. For me, trust..”

Cont’d: “…is earned. Because I have learned that people’s hearts can change in a second for their own egocentric self.” #nycsc

“Some people have gone out of their way to earn my trust. And those ppl, I embrace. I’m sick and tired of you guys making rules and…”

Cont’d: “…regulations w/o getting to know people and their personalities.” She sits w/ occupiers, builds trust w/ them. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “I’m not that type of person that just lays out their life like a lamb. I’m a fighter.” RE: individuals, “I’ll be blunt: I don’t…”

Cont’d: “…care about you. I don’t. Because I care about the movement.” Folks: “But we *are* all the movement.” #nycsc #ows

Now Nan’s accusing us of doing “ill to so many ppl. It’s sickening!” “Until you guys change yr behavior, why should I change mine?” #nycsc

People were a lot more moved by @TesselizaTC’s speech than Nan’s, I think it’s fair to say. #nycsc #ows

OK, moving onto announcements. “We need more cameras out there,” Al reminds us. “It’s not fair”, camerappl targeted for arrests. #nycsc #ows

I guess just that one announcement! WHAT A SPOKES tonight! Wow. Recap: we empowered Spokes, clarified membership, and addressed Nan.. #nycsc

…directly, while still doing it together. Big steps. Thanks for following along folks! Qs, concerns, hit me up @DiceyTroop for post-show!

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Love you all, always. Occupy everything, all of the time. Don’t let them make you forget. #ows

RT @spacetimeltd: Will never forget @LibertySqGA Love you all, always. Occupy everything, all of the time. Don’t let them make you forge …

RT @heratylaw: Hey! Only TWELVE items on the #GA agenda tonight. http://t.co/HIikLEoi #nycga #OWS

RT @PoweredByCats: The #nycga contingency plan for inclimate weather & Liberty Park closing will be 100 Williams Street for time being. …

RT @PoweredByCats: The #nycga contingency plan for inclimate weather & Liberty Park closing will be 100 Williams Street for time being. …

The GA was to be @ 100 William St. in a covered POPS required to be open til 12am, bt bldg owners called NYPD; we were threatened w/ arrest.

We’ve moved across the street to another Privately Owned Public Space at 59 Maiden. It’s a large pavilion across from the Fed. #nycga #ows

OK! Here we go; another @LibertySqGA. Follow here and at @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4. #nycga #ows

Because last night’s GA was abbreviated on account of New Years’ Eve funtimes, there are 12 proposals tonight. #nycga #ows

Tonight’s first proposal is from @OccupyChicago! “I’m Sugar, and I hail from the Windy City! We’ve formed a national working group…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…and have created an Occupy State of the Union Address!” #nycga #ows

“We’ve developed a speech, and the concept is to take advantage of a once-a-year opportunity!” Want as many cities to join as possible…

Cont’d: …and record parts of the speech, and then send it out immediately following the Republican rebuttal to the SOTU. #nycga #ows

They want to keep it out of the media’s hands, so requesting that the speech being recorded not be taped and put online if possible. #nycga

“The speech concept in theme is ‘occupy is a state of mind’.” Deals with economy, where folks can engage. Designed to speak… #nycga

Cont’d: …to where general public is at. She’ll read the speech; let me find y’all a link. #nycga #ows

Here’s the proposal for an “Occupied State of the Union” address: http://t.co/oveBF8kS #nycga #ows

Brett, one of tonight’s Stairs’ (facilitators who help run the consensus process) is stepping back a bit to go over our process. #nycga #ows

Here’s a guide to our handsignals: http://t.co/VHmHwQl9 #nycga #ows

Tonight: State of the Union, Occupy NH Primary, Housing, Ending Corp. Personhood, Block-checking, Occupy Newark, and maybe more. #nycga #ows

CQ on SOTU proposal: “No livestreaming/livetweeting?” A: We’d prefer that. Temp check? Looks OK. So, i won’t tweet the text. #nycga #ows

RT @CarrieM213: @OWS_Live @LibertySqGA is here but we consensed to not tweet sensitive info from Occupy Chicago. Will resume soon.

OK, they’re done reading the speech. Stairs: “Be4 we move to clarifying questions, let’s temp check whether we want to go thru this prop.”

CQ: “Will we have a chance to edit it?” A: “It’s been put together by a national working group. Working on it with many occupies…”

A cont’d: “…would take too long, so we’re asking that it be as is.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “I like the idea, but it overemphasizes voting.” A: “It’s written for folks where they’re at.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “Are you asking for any financial help?” A: “None needed. No.” CQ: “What national GA is your working group a part of?” A: “I don’t…

Cont’d: “…think one exists.” But they say they’ve workshopped it in their local occupies. Next CQ says it sounded like… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: …a list of demands. CQ: “What other occupies?” A: “SF, Chicago, OtH, Omaha, somewhere in Iowa, Albany, and took notes here…”

That CQ goes to his concerns, including that it sounds like demands and talks about voting. Proposer asks if there’s a rewording…

Cont’d: …that would satisfy him, but he notes that there is no opportunity to edit. Sage says he wouldn’t want to send ppl.. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: …into the “unfair” political arena. Not comfortable w/ that. Proposer asks him how else he thinks the rest of the proposal…

Due to rain, we’ve moved the GA again. Next CQ: What structure exists that gives you authority to do this w/ or w/o our consent? #nycga #ows

CQ: “Will you do this regardless of our consent?” A: “Yes, just like a working group.” [POI: Working groups are empowered by GAs. -Ed.]

CQ: “How many occupies have endorsed this?” A: “You’re actually the first.” CQ: “You said you talked to #OWS? Who are they and how…”

Cont’d: “…did they represent #OWS?” Notes the distinction between individuals and #OWS as a whole. #nycga #ows

She says she showed it to people on the ground, i.e. in the office. Someone says, “that’s not ‘the ground’.” #nycga #ows

Someone says they’re from Democratic Socialists and are a revolutionary, not a reformer, but supports this. #nycga #ows

Ann’s CQ: “I don’t believe anyone here disagrees w/ general content; people have their own approaches, but asking ppl to vote isn’t…”

Cont’d: “…a demand.” Thinks we’re reading too much into the language. Next on stack is Nan, but we need to temp check continuing. #nycga

Stairs: “I don’t feel comfortable taking up another 5 minutes of peoples’ time with this based on that temperature check.” #nycga #ows

Someone presses Brett as to whether or not we should consense. Brett explains we need to complete consensus process to do that. #nycga #ows

We’re re-tempchecking after it was clarified that we were tabling proposal… still “more negative than positive.” #nycga #ows

Proposer again expresses that “if everything is re-written and re-written and re-submitted to occupys, it won’t get done.” #nycga #ows

OK, proposal tabled. Next is Jeff from Housing w/ the Housing proposal. “Housing would like to continue process of procuring weekly metro..”

Cont’d: “..cards for people who are actively doing and operating and participating in the movement every day.” #nycga #ows

Housing wants to buy 130 cards, which is a reduction of 10 cards from last week and $580 cheaper than last week. #nycga #ows

“Each person who needs to buy a metrocard needs a signed authorization from a point person in a wrkng grp.” 6-9, wherever GA or Spokes is.

People need to verify that they still have last week’s card in order to get a new card. Documented on Housing group section of nycga.net.

So, the total is $2900 plus 30 cards leftover from last week. Stairs opening stack for CQs. #nycga #ows

CQ: “Nobody gave me a metrocard to come here tonight. Why do some people get metrocards?” #nycga #ows

A: “We as a movement facilitate metrocards for people doing operational work for the occupation.” #nycga #ows

Lorenzo notes that his metrocard is the only way he can get to every physical event to livestream. #nycga #ows

Nathan’s CQ: “Is there a criteria for which a working group rep should or should not sign the authorization form?” #nycga #ows

A: “Previously it was up to housing WG, but it meant either we weren’t enforcing accountability or that ppl were denied access due to…”

A cont’d: “…our lack of knowledge of that person.” So, it’s up to each WG to decide who needs metrocards and to inform Housing via form. #

Lauren’s CQ: “When did Housing start trying to tackle everyone’s Metrocard needs?” Started from trying to get homeless occupiers to churches

Cont’d; “There are a lot more than 100 people contributing to the movement.” Wants to know why Housing is asking WGs to exclude. #nycga #ows

Oh joy, the owners at 59 Maiden have asked us to leave also. So now we’re trying to figure out where to go next. #nycga #ows

Right now, we’re trying to decide whether we feel comfortable continuing the GA given that we have moved so many times. #OWS

Sage wants to know if, when we’ve decided the public in the US has no right to assemble, we can tell Americans so they’ll know that. #OWS

We straw-polled whether we felt comfortable and it came up 25 for, 10 against. So we’re gonna go somewhere we’ve been told we can be…

…and then we’re gonna continue w/ reportbacks and announcements. We may not hear any more proposals. #nycga #OWS

@thejorobin we’re at 33 maiden lane, nassau side

The discussion on whether to continue here given that “the public has no clue where we are right now” is continuing. Some folks…

..very concerned about access. Jeff says we’ve made all possible effort to be accessible and shouldn’t succumb to NYPD interference. #ows

Someone says, after 4 moves, “this is no longer a public meeting.” Someone else has bn here since August: “having GAs has never been easy.”

Stairs, after that bit of installed discussion, is asking ppl to sit for a new straw poll. We’re sitting. Are we comfortable continuing?

Ok, new count on continuing was 38 to 17. Brett says b/c it’s not overwhelming, we should continue for only discussion/reports/soapbox. #OWS

Someone else notes that making the decision not to continue does constitute acting as a GA and we should embrace that. #OWS #nycga

I suggest that we honor concerns abt access, hv a discussion about what we should do under these newly difficult circumstances. #OWS #NYCGA

..in order to make sure in future we’re all confident tht our meetings are accessible & compliant w/ principles of solidarity. #nycga #OWS

So, we’re stacking concerns. Someone notes that we need to be able to adapt quickly as the powers tht be try to prevent our assembly. #nycga

Someone says he has experience w/ GAs having to move. He says if people weren’t here or at LP at 7, we can’t be super concerned about them.

He says it points at our need to reoccupy, but also our need to “get serious”. We can “have a point to meet every night at a certain time..”

Cont’d: …and decide together. “And if you’re not there on time and you don’t know what’s going on,” forget you. #nycga #ows

Nan really doesn’t think this would be a fair GA, even tho she had 3 proposals up tonight. “I do not feel I want to bring proposals here…”

Cont’d: “..when we kept moving like this.” Supports the soapbox type of GA for tonight. #nycga #ows

Sam: “Every day b/w 1-6pm, think tank meets. We have discussions just like this. We can have a convo there about how to deal w/ this…”

Cont’d: “…rather than here. Right now, we’re just talking- if you want to talk, come to Think Tank which happens every single GA.” #nycga

Someone else understands, thinks we need to solve this problem, notes that this seriously endangers their Occupy the NH Primaries proposal.

Tyler: “First of all, if you’re here, I’ve been listening to you, and if you’re speaking right now when it’s my turn, i feel very…” #nycga

Cont’d: “..disrespected. Please listen to whoever’s speaking. I wasn’t at Zuccotti at 7 and I take responsibility for that.” #nycga #ows

Someone else notes that this interferes with their #J17 proposal. “We need to have a presence here. We need to represent the movement..”

Cont’d: “…and to take part in something that could make this movement national.” #nycga #ows

Next: “This is going to be one of the most- there will be more #occupys present than any other event so far.” #nycga #ows

Lorenzo reminds us that we’ve consensed on calling Zuccotti “Liberty Square” and it hurts him a tiny bit each time someone calls it ZP.

Also, he says we should talk seriously about not having GAs right after actions, rather should have reportbacks, talk about them…

…”and then have a general assembly the next day when our friends are out [of jail].” #nycga #ows

Yoni: “Every time we get kicked out, we’re letting the authorities win. Yest, I got pepper sprayed, I wasn’t comfortable but still stayed.”

“Are the ppl who aren’t here really dedicated to coming to GAs?” #nycga #ows

Stephen: “RE: this being a public GA, the fact that it’s been moved 4 times is my concern. ComHub sent out a notice at 9pm that we’re here.”

Stephen got info via word of mouth about where GA was. “We have a broken process [of info distribution] that we need to fix.” #nycga #ows

Sage: “I don’t know the question that everyone is answering, I just know what I’ve heard from last 4 or 5 ppl. If we’re a movement…”

Cont’d: “…of people so in disagreement that 30 ppl isn’t enough for a GA, maybe we shouldn’t be deciding on money at all.” #nycga #ows

“I understand that we all have opinions and such, but if our values are that different,” not sure consensus process will work. #nycga #ows

Also, Sage really wants “to just hear if ppl have reportbacks from yesterday, that’d be great.” Suggests any decisions above “a g” we…

Cont’d: ..should just agree not to do, so that we can move on, “and have an actual community and get to know each other as individuals.”

Brett notes we have 4 ppl left on stack. Wants to finish stack, close it, and then do reportbacks on last night. “There were a lot…”

Cont’d: “…of diff. actions, there were arrests, I think it would be valuable to get it in the open.” Also, WG reportbacks/announcements.

Also, he suggests we let proposers present proposals and make themselves available for discussion. #nycga #ows

Someone suggests we hear proposals w/ scaled down costs that are time-sensitive. #nycga #ows

.@diceytroop pointed out that we need to focus on accountable structures before trying to force our personal goals forward. “That goes for..

Cont’d: “..not just this situation of people feeling like access to this meeting is too limited, but also to proposals that try to speak…”

Cont’d: “…on #occupy’s behalf directed at Federal structures that affect all #occupations.” If there’s no directly democratic… #nycga

Cont’d: “..structure for ppl to do something, it just shouldn’t be done. Let’s focus on building those structures and refining them.” #nycga

Stairs suggests we give each proposer 5 minutes to explain their proposal so they can get feedback “outside the assembly space.” #nycga #ows

Tempchecking that idea. “That looks very positive.” Asking for concerns. #nycga #ows

CQ: “The metrocard thing — was that to start this upcoming Tuesday?” Jeff says it’s time-sensitive; w/o proposal being heard… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: …tonight, the proposal can’t go forward. So the questioner points out both budget proposals are very, very time-sensitive. #nycga

Next: “We need to continue. If we’re not going to vote on anything, I don’t want to be here. If we’re going to hear proposals, let’s do it.”

Jeff wants to make a statement “about what’s been happening for several weeks.” “We are trying to build a better world, not a perfect world”

“Anything we do, there’s going to be certain gaps, fallthroughs, and we should continue… there needs to be a balance… we need to…”

Cont’d: “…keep moving even if everything’s not perfect.” #nycga #ows

Brett clarifies that we’ve already failed to consent to moving forward as a GA, & are now trying to decide how to use our time. #nycga #ows

[Re: "Consent" versus "consense" - "consense" is a word. I completely don't think it's wrong to use it in this context. "Consent" implies..]

[..an individual lvl of permission. 'Consense' is to me more appropriate whn indicating a collective consent derived frm consensus process.]

[I know many good people disagree. I'm open to being convinced, but no one has so far. Also, CT Butler is just one dude. We're legion. -Ed.]

Brett temp checks using this time to hear proposals for informational purposes, and gets overwhelming consent. Opening stack. #nycga #ows

Nan’s 1st on stack. She feels uncomfortable trying to re-temp check operating as a GA after many have left. She’ll now explain her proposal.

@mikecane wikitionary (:

Nevermind, we’re hearing from the Politics and Electoral Reform working group subgroup on Corporate Personhood. #nycga #ows

“We wanted to propose this tonight, but we also need feedback. It’s a proposal to call for an end to corporate personhood.” #nycga #ows

She notes that Citizens United gave corporations same right to political speech via money as individual citizens have. #nycga

“There’s a movement to act locally to pressure Congress or the Court to reverse that decision.” LA CC passed such a resolution. #nycga #ows

“This is a way for #occupy to take a stand and to have a voice against corporate dominion.” It would be great, she said, if NY passed it.

She notes that the NYC City Council is also discussing such a resolution on Thursday; this statement endorses that resolution. #nycga #ows

They’re going to have #OccupyTheCourts Jan 20 and 21st as actions against Citizens United. That’s the 1 year anniversary? #nycga #ows

@mikecane consensus process is new and will need new concepts in language to accurately describe it.

Someone else: “This is not the CC resolution, it’s a resolution #OWS could make to clarify it’s POV that is a little different…”

CQ: “How can we express that we feel corporate personhood is abysmal w/o violation our lack of consensus on demanding reforms?” #nycga

Cont’d: “…I very much like the idea of us making a statement that corporations don’t have human rights to speech, but worry about…”

Cont’d: “…sending the wrong signal about our approach to solutions.” #nycga #ows

OK, next we’ll hear from the #J17 #OccupyCongress folks. “We’ll go through a review of the day, and if you want to come, you should.” #nycga

“In the morning, we’re setting up meetings w/ congresspeople. In the afternoon, we’ll talk about GA, and what Occupy 2.0 looks like.”

Later, they’ll have an #interoccupational #spokescouncil and GA. #nycga #ows

“We’re not asking for an endorsement; we’re asking for participation. So no matter how you feel politically, including being against…”

Cont’d: “…our representative system, which is cool- I think robs us of our autonomy and is a game we will lose…”

Cont’d: “…for #OWS to be relevant we need to have a presence there and people should go.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “Where’d this come from?” A: It was an autonomous group, but it’s “becoming a national action.” #nycga #ows

To get in touch with the proposers, contact benjaminczucker@gmail.com or owsdaniel@gmail.com. #ows #nycga

Next, Stewart frm Pol. Organizing is organizing support for Occupy the NH Primaries. “We won’t endorse a party or candidate.” #nycga #ows

Stewart feels this is a “great way to challenge the political system without participating in it.” Want $ for trip, will bring to GA Tues.

OK, next, #OccupyNewark is going to make a proposal Tuesday to get $3,000 of funds. #nycga #ows

CQ: “What’s the vibe right now?” A: “We have rsn to believe the city council’s going to let us stay… unless we do something (inaudible)..”

Nan’s reviewing her proposals. First one is the audit of finance. “I think it’s very important that we audit finance to find out what’s…”

Cont’d: “..going on, and nothing personal but I don’t trust the Finance team.” She doesn’t want the IRS going up against #OWS. #nycga #ows

Nan’s second proposal was to dispose of #spokescouncil “because we feel like #sc is excluding people and forcing them to join working grps.”

Nan says that individuals took it upon themselves to police her at the last spokescouncil and she had to call the police. #nycga #ows

Third proposal from Nan is facilitation accountability. “Some of the people in facilitation I like, and some I don’t.”b #nycga #ows

Someone pts out that an audit of Accounting is really an audit of #OWS since they’re just volunteers. Says should include WGs. #nycga #ows

Nan say that since Accounting keeps all WGs books, it’s accounting we need to audit. “We want to make sure we are transparent to the world..

Cont’d: “..so those who have given to us know what’s going on, and feel comfortable, and the world trusts us.” #nycga #ows

Contact Nan at strongwomenrulesworkinggroup@gmail.com if you have questions or want to get in touch. #nycga #ows

That was the last proposal present to explain their proposal. There are still ~20 people here so we’re stacking announcements/reports.

Next: “We hv the same roadblocks day after day. Some if it is really miniscule, but translates to being huge. In order for us to continue..”

Cont’d: “…we need to address the functionality.” Feels this process is broken- instead of focusing on proposals, should focus on process..

Cont’d: ..and once we get buy-in, it’ll be easier. Points to tonight’s disagreement about the GA’s legitimacy. #nycga #ows

“Maybe I should work on a proposal to talk about a process.” Yoni notes Structure meets at 5:30 on Fridays at 60 Wall. #nycga #ows

Lorenzo w/ a LiveStream reportback from last night. “We were able to cover Liberty Park really well, plus the noise demo and late march.”

“One of our members was arrested, and streamed from the back of the paddy wagon.” Notes that media collective is working on how to mv fwd..

Cont’d: …and figure out how to raise money on their own while staying accountable to the GA. Not sure how that works, want to…

Cont’d: …talk about “different organizational models.” #nycga #ows

Yoni: “Yesterday, I was at noise demo and also Liberty Square, first GA, and then NYE. First part went really well, had about 5 arrests.”

Cont’d: “Later, the police were really trying to intimidate everyone, pepper-spraying — I got peppersprayed, and they were attacking NLG..”

Cont’d: “…members. I was expecting a fun event of #Occupy2012, but it was more like #Occupy1984.” #nycga #ows

Yoni wants legal action to hold NYPD accountable. Also, Brookfield for keeping park closed. #nycga #ows

Alejandro: “I witnessed Yoni, w/ eyes burning, call out the cops yesterday and chastised them for being so forceful and abusive.” #nycga#ows

Cont’d: “Finally, exasperated, the cop said “do you think everything they’re doing is right?” & Yoni sd “Yes!” and she huffed, walked off.”

Next, someone talks about watching someone be arrested without doing anything. Also, “I saw this one girl – a cop had his knee in the back..

Cont’d: “..of her neck while they were all on top of her arresting her.” He got elbowed in the face by a riot cop. #nycga #ows

“My heart is in this movement so much.” Looks to Oakland as an example for getting things done. “While some are worrying about…”

Cont’d: “…money and transparency, while others are out marching.” “People are up in the office, watching us on livestream.” #nycga #ows

“Why can’t we just get a centralization?” Other ppl are getting arrested in places we don’t even know about. #nycga #ows

Next: “We should just assume we’re generally on the same page. Proposals that don’t pass maybe shouldn’t be at the GA. When you come…”

Cont’d: “..to GA, think about how you can help somebody else make their great idea happen.” #nycga #ows

Next: “When we get back to the studio, we’ll have a live Q&A. livestream.com/owsnyc”. Just letting us know. #nycga #ows

Someone else, re: money: “Finding ways to spend the money is the solution to the problem of having the money.” Feels if we use it to solve..

..problems, it will come pouring in. Someone else points out we started strong w/ absolutely no money, just “sleeping bags on the ground.”

OK, we’ve reached the end of stack so we’re calling “an official end to this unofficial gathering of people.” Mentions Structure WG meets…

…Friday at 5:30 PM at 60 Wall, and Facilitation meets there at 4pm Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. “Even tho we didn’t spend $ or declare…”

Cont’d: “…solidarity w/ anything, great things happened tonight.” Ok! Thanks fam! Pls spread word abt our displacement tonite. #OWS #NYCGA

Kudos to @PoweredByCats for excellently facilitating tonite despite all the chaos! We were able to come back frm 3+ disruptions. Great jorb!

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RT @heratylaw: Jurors Need to Know They Can Say No: http://t.co/SAZatVNC #jurynullification #ows #BadLawmakersPassBadLaws

And tonight’s NYE #OWS General Assembly is starting now! Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3 and @LibertySqGA4 for livetweets! #nycga

Right now one of the facilitators, Nathan, is explaining the handsignals we use, and our consensus process. http://t.co/VHmHwQl9 #nycga #ows

Stairs: “A block is very serious. It doesn’t mean I disagree, it means I have a moral, ethical, or safety concern w/ the proposal.” #nycga

Cont’d: “If we don’t have blocks, we’ll move fwd to consensus. If we do, we’ll move to modified consensus,” which requires 9/10ths consent.

First, we’ll have announcements – 4 on stack right now. First, re: the NH primary. #nycga #ows

Billy: “A proposal at tomorrow’s GA will be about January 5th thru 10th; occupying/disrupting the NH primaries. So, be a part of that…”

Cont’d: “…decision at the GA tmrw. We need to have a strong presence in this election year in this farce of a democracy owned by WallSt.”

Cont’d: “Iowa’s already doing a good job! We need to be strong on the east coast as well.” Next, Zoe from OccupyDurham! #nycga #ows

Zoe: “We recently hosted @Walkupy! They’re walking from DC to Atlanta. In Greensboro, they put out a call to action for Spring 2012.” #nycga

Zoe cont;’d: “Check it out on their website at walkupy.org, b/c it’s a great action. It’s to have a walk in each state to the state house..”

Cont’d: “…and let them know what we’re all about!” #nycga #ows

Next, Justin. “I’m from Information! Starting on January 2nd, we’ll be back in the park. But we’ll need the support of every working group.”

Cont’d: “If you are a member of a working group, you should probably see me so I can teach you how we’re gonna do things in #Occupy2012.”

Cont’d: “So, hope to see you Monday thru Friday at Noon to 6, b/c Information’s back!” #nycga #ows

Nan: “Hi! How are you doing tonight? My group just wanted to wish you guys a happy holiday and safe new year- party hard guys!” #nycga #ows

Next! “Good evening, and happy new year! I’m an inventor blessed to come here & help you guys. I’m donating $300billion of patents.” [:P :D]

Cont’d: “The poorest people in America are going to control the richest companies in the world. We’re going to actually live it, and it…”

Cont’d: “…has to happen!” … The people’s mic has exercised its rarely-used ability to just stop. Took about 2 sentences. #nycga #ows

Yoni is explaining progressive stack. “If you’re a traditionally marginalized voice, we try to make room for you to have a stronger voice.”

Also, step up step back. “It means if you’ve traditionally be heard, step up and step back, and let others speak. Chances are they’ll…”

Cont’d: “…bring up the same concerns that you have!” Nathan notes that each proposal tonight gets 20 minutes to try to keep moving thru.

Some official-looking police guy has drawn a crowd towards the middle of the park, and GA is paused for a second. #nycga #ows

Apparently a tiny tent was set up for small children to be in by their parents, and the police are trying to remove them. #nycga #ows

OK, a tiny tent w/ 2 kids, that became the center of a human wall a few minutes ago, has been moved to right in front of the stairs. #nycga

The human wall has been reformed around the tent. Since the police have banned new entry to the Park, we’ve moved close to the barricades.

OK, we’re going to proposals. First proposal is from Jonathan Friedman. “My proposal is to register a new working group: Anti-War WG.”#nycga

“We’ve been meeting since October, but every time we fill in the form, the process changes. So, finally, here we are.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “I’m just going to read the statement on the form. “While we struggle to keep our homes, farms, hospitals, schools, and libraries..”

Cont’d: “…our money is being laundered for wars. These wars are waged by corporate and government forces for profit, causing untold…”

Cont’d: “…death and destruction to life and earth. Our group works to abolish these destructive forces through non-violent direct action..

Cont’d: “…and education, and stands in solidarity w/ those facing war and oppression.” Now opening stack for clarifying questions. #nycga

First CQ, Nan: “Hi guys. My clarifying question is, can you summarize just briefly, explain what exactly you’re trying to do? I’m confused.”

A: “The proposal is to register an anti-war working group. That’s it.” Stairs: “Under the new proposal system, a working group that wants..”

Cont’d: “…to be created needs the approval of the GA.” CQ: “Will you be covering, in your anti-war protest, the NDAA? If so, how?” #nycga

A: “That falls under the scope of our group. We haven’t talked about it yet in detail, but you can come to our next meeting and suggest..”

Cont’d: “..a plan of action.” Jack’s CQ: “In order to hv peace on our spaceship Earth…it’s suggested tht we should fight for a third UN.”

Stairs: “That was a great announcement, but not a clarifying question.” Now opening stack for Concerns. #nycga #ows

RT @jopauca: NYPD is not letting people into the GA #ows # nycga http://t.co/huSIvLkk

RT @jopauca: NYPD is not allowing ppl in bc a tent has been set up and holds a mom & her 2 children (info from @justinstoned) #nycga #ows

Concern: “How can we raise money for this?” Lots of points of process. He’d like to start a foundation to fund the anti-war effort, he says.

Next Concern: “Sometimes I’m not involved a lot in meetings, b/c there’s a meeting after another meeting after another meeting.” #nycga

Cont’d: “I’d rather organize, and make something happen. Tonight, friends of ours, Native American people, are having a ceremony.”#nycga

Cont’d: “And tomorrow we’ll have a sweat lodge. We’ve been occupying, not just to support native people but to make ppl aware of…”

Cont’d: “…to erosion of the middle class.” There’s a bunch of hollering, a march incoming? Temp check says we want to stick w/ GA. #nycga

Cont’d: “The native americans should not be represented by non-indians, and we should not be tokenized by any working group. If you are…”

Cont’d: “…a native indian, you should be aware of native issues. Don’t be a virtual reality indian. There’s probably going to be a…”

Cont’d: “…to start an indigenous working group. This group is non-indian, and I oppose, our friends oppose it…” “Last week, when we…”

Cont’d: “..were here to talk about the memorial for wounded knee, this was the same set of people…” Stairs recognizes a point of process.

PoP: “I want to hear where we should go next with this, but we’re in the middle of a different proposal. I want to give you both respect.”

Friendly Amendment stack has opened on creating the anti-war working group. #nycga #ows

No FAs. “I’d like to now move this proposal to consensus. How do we feel about that?” “Looks good. Any blocks?” No blocks! CONSENSUS! #nycga

Stairs: “Earlier, I said this would be the last proposal. How do we feel?” A few uptwinkles, lots of nonresponse. Distractions abound. #OWS

We’re continuing. “The next proposal is from Strong Women Rules.” #nycga #ows

Nan’s proposal (as Strong Women Rules) is “to audit finance. Yes.” #nycga #ows

Here’s the proposal from Nan’s Strong Women Rules: http://t.co/eDI84e3k

Nan says we have an obligation to our donors to audit finance, and to protect ourselves from legal scrutiny. #nycga #ows

Nan: “We are asking you for your permission, if Finance do not want to audit themselves, then our working groups audit finance…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…so that way we know where the money’s spent. We’re going to be transparent.” #nycga #ows

“Basically, what we are asking you is your permission to audit finance and to be transparent. How we’re planning on doing this is…”

Cont’d: “…1, we’ll have minutes. 2, you’ll have livestream. 3, donors will have Internet to ask questions.” #nycga #ows

Now opening stack for Clarifying Questions. First: “I just want to know, what group are you with?” A: “I’m w/ Strong Women Rules…”

Cont’d: “…working group. I’m a group that helps victims of sexual assault and rape. I’m a woman on behalf of women.” #nycga #ows

RT @Newyorkist: Just spoke w/ Captain Duffy of NYPD. Tells me NYPD closed park because “going to be impending arrests. We don’t want any …

Yuri’s CQ: “I’d like to point out that there is a transparency working group, i believe. Is that good enough?” #nycga #ows

A: “The transparency working group’s been trying so hard to make Finance transparent, but aren’t doing much of a good job.” #nycga #ows

Next CQ: “As far as reporting where $ comes from, is that going to be a problem – you mentioned money laundering. Can you not report…”

Cont’d: “…where donations come from w/o giving IRS license to audit?” A: “I don’t understand your question.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “You mentioned keeping confidential names of donors. Is that legal w/ respect to your concern about auditing?” #nycga #ows

A: “I said we’re going to keep names in confidence. We’re only going to use initials, but the auditors have to do what they have to do.”

Cont’d; “We’re not going to livestream the people’s accounts or names. That’s what I meant.” #nycga #ows

Lorraine’s CQ: “Can’t people give donations to a certain amount w/o any names being given?” A: “That’s a great question. That’s for…”

Cont’d; “…the accounting working group. I’m not the accounting working group. I cannot answer that question.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “I’d like to have clarification about the motive of this group, how it’s going to work, and what would be its relationship w/…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…accounting and w/ the GA?” A: “The WG is a women’s working group in solidarity w/ many working groups. We’ll have solidarity…”

Cont’d: “…w/ transparency working group as we audit finance working group. Our goal is to make sure accounting is doing what is right.”

Cont’d: “I don’t want the IRS coming after me because finance working group is…” [couldn't hear the end.] Stairs notes time’s up. #nycga

We agree to continue for 10 minutes. Someone has a POI: “I opened the bank account for #OWS through a longer story than I’d like to go…”

Cont’d: “..into right now, I’m not w/ the Finance group. There are some things that I would like to see made clear w/ the help of an…”

Cont’d: “..external auditing group. So what I would like this proposal to become is a mandate to get it done externally and have it…”

Cont’d: “…taken a look at by as many people as possible.” Stairs: “That was a point of information; also sounded like a frndly amndmnt.”

Stairs: “But I don’t think we had consensus on extending this conversation.” We temp check 5 more minutes… sounds good to us. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “If we get to that 5 minutes, and we don’t consent to continue the conversation,” we may skip to consensus. #nycga #ows

CQ: “Do you have any background in finances or regulation?” A: “I have a legal background. My father is a judge. RE: accounting, I…”

Cont’d: “…do not have an accounting background, but other groups that are joined w/ my group, do have people w/ accounting background…”

Cont’d: “…and they’ve already picked the firms that are going to be doing the work.” End of CQ stack, opening Concerns stack. #nycga #ows

Stairs notes that after this proposal finishes, we’ll address how we feel about expected arrival of police imminently. #nycga #ows

Sully’s Concern: “I very much support the idea of this proposal; an audit is an important step for our community. First concern: this…”

Cont’d: “…proposal gives Accounting an opportunity to do an internal audit. I think it’s important that the audit be external to…”

Cont’d: “…accounting, and involve others in OWS as well as people outside who can provide accounting knowledge and support.” #nycga

Cont’d: “My second concern is tht ppl are being barred from the park and the GA has dwindled, and this is too big to pass” right now. #nycga

A: “People will always be barred b/c they have backpacks and can’t come in. I can’t stop that, sorry. Second, we’re going to give…”

Cont’d: “…accounting 7 days to do the auditing. If they refuse, we’ll bring someone from outside to do the auditing, w/ working groups…”

Cont’d: “…and other ppl who want to be partaking of that and know what’s going on.” #nycga #ows

Concern: “Through all these questions, a lot of things come up, like the 7-day deadline, which weren’t mentioned before, so I find it…”

Cont’d: “…very hard to comprehend the full spectrum of the proposal.” A: “I was trying to read it; ppl kept [using 'wrap it up signal]..”

Cont’d: “…so I summarized it. Sorry.” Nathan notes that time is up, and we expect the police to arrive very soon. Trying to temp check…

…but the march is too loud. Some discussion happening between Stairs. OK, they’re temp checking again, do we want to close the GA. #nycga

Nan temp checks whether we can finish it. Looks negative. Sully encourages her to consider tabling and allowing the GA to be closed for now.

We temp check continuing w/ the proposal, and it looked negative. Then we temp checked ending the GA, and it was mixed. #nycga #ows

Still confusing, temp checking again. OK, Nan’s proposal is tabled. “The consensus was to end the conversation on this but to continue GA.”

Next proposal also from Nan. Loudest contingent in favor of continuing GA sounds unpleased by this. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “We’re starting a new proposal. Please give your respect to Jared.” Oh snap, we’re moving to the Politics and Electoral Reform WG.

It’s the “Subgroup to end Corporate Personhood” of the Politics and Electoral Reform Working Group. #nycga #ows

@dailyrev above a certain size, you can’t bring it in. on a night like tonight, refusing a search of any size bag keeps you out.

Proposer explains that Citizens United gave corporations the right to spend unlimited campaign funds, “and the only way to remedy this is..”

Cont’d: “…a constitutional amendment. Our proposal is for #OccupyWallStreet #NYCGA to say that we are in support of such an amendment…”

Cont’d: “…and the New York City Council is voting on a resolution on Wednesday the fourth to also call for such an amendment.”

Cont’d: “So, we’re also asking everyone to support the city council in their resolution. That’s it!” #nycga #ows

[Here's the tent that's causing all this commotion. -Ed.] #nycga #ows http://t.co/mBWgS2Ug

The tent’s been moved away from the stairs again. Looks like GA may pause again for a minute. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “I’m willing to wait 5 more minutes. If we don’t convene w/in 5 more minutes, the GA is over.” #nycga #ows

Ok! GA has been dispersed by an unofficial consensus of no one focusing on it. Lots of merrymaking and fun! But can’t run consensus lk this.