Proposal in support of May Day 2012

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This is a proposal for OWS to adopt this exact language for May Day 2012:

May Day 2012 Occupy Wall Street stands in solidarity with the calls for a day without the 99%, a general strike and more!! On May Day, wherever you are, we are calling for: *No Work *No School *No Housework *No Shopping *No Banking TAKE THE STREETS!!!!!

Proposal to start a zeitgeist working group within OWS.

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We at the Zeitgeist Movement share the Occupy Wall Street movement’s sense of urgency with regard to the ever-widening wealth gap, the endless wars, the purchasing of legislation, rising unemployment, and the general unsustainability of the current economic model.  As a solution, we support the formation of a global, resource based economy where technology (which already exists) would be used to provide the necessities of life and relief from labor for all the world’s people without a monetary cost and, in fact, without a monetary system at all.  Decisions about social concerns would be arrived at using the scientific method and would take into account the carrying capacity of the earth.  The Zeitgeist working group seeks to create critical mass and bring about the changes humanity needs to make to save itself.


NYC General Assembly 2/11/2012 (Minutes)

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Date/Time: 2/11/2012, 7pm

Location: 60 Wall Street, Moved to Zuccotti around 9:35

Facilitators: Melanie, Corey (with Nathan stepping in around 9:05)

Stack: Yoni

Time Keeper: Domo (with Corey stepping in around 9:40)

Minutes: molly o.

Proposal: Proposal to start a zeitgeist working group within OWS, tabled for further coordination between proposers and other working groups.

Proposal: Finance Transparency , blocked.

Proposal: Call for OWS Action Against Suppression of the Occupy Movement, passed.

Tweets for Sat, 11 Feb 2012

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Hi fam! We’re starting tonight’s GA! Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4 for livetweets. #NYCGA #OWS

Tonight, @gomelanie and @wookietv are facilitating GA! We’ll affectionately refer to them as Stairs, as is tradition. #NYCGA #OWS

Melanie is explaining our proposal process, wherein we work through questions, concerns, friendly amendments before checking for consensus.

When we check for consensus, we can each consent to, stand aside from, or block the proposal. A block is based on moral or ethical principle

Corey intros our hand signals. “If you lk, give the twinkles, when you aren’t sure, do the mid twinkles, if you don’t lk, stinkles! (down)”

You can put 1 finger up to add a relevant “point of information”, spin yr hands to say “I respect what you’re saying, bt please wrap it up.”

You can also put your diamonds in the sky (triangle w/ 2 hands, / _ \ ) to say “you’ve gone off the process,” and ask to get back on track.

Stairs needs a timekeeper — Domo is volunteered by someone to do it. Domo jumps up and down in response. Twinkles for that! #ha #NYCGA #OWS

Yoni reminds us of the “respect the house” hand signal, which we can all do if things get “kinda chaotic” to bring us back. #OWS #NYCGA

Stairs check if we want to do reportbacks and announcements first tonight — looks like there are only 3, so we’ll do that. #NYCGA #OWS

Anthony: “I’m part of Class War and other working groups! We’re looking to make a big action for March 31st in solidarity w/ Europe.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “And also, there’s going to be an affinity grp forming called ‘Autonomous’. We’re here, expect us. Let me know if you want to join.”

Outreach: “Every Weds at 1,” they meet here at 60 Wall and go out to spread info! This week, it’ll be re: #F20 anti-prison day of action.

Anthony raises the question of whether anyone is taking minutes tonight. There appears to be no livestream. “Molly from minutes is here…”

.@molly__o will take minutes! Stairs: “Everybody twinkle Molly!” #OWS #NYCGA

[Next, @HelloFrances and someone else had announcements that I missed due to hooking Minutes up w/ a keyboard! Hit me up, Frances. -Ed.]

OK, tonight’s first proposal is to ratify a Zeitgeist Working Group! Stairs: “We’re going to set a time limit for this, and…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…our trusty Domo is going to set 10 minutes!” Proposers: “We’re from the Zeitgeist movement; we’d like to form an #OWS working grp”

Cont’d: “The idea is to create a resource-based economy rather than a monetary-based economy.” “We see the world as a single organism…”

Cont’d: “…and the goal of the movement is to create a critical mass and get the message out as widely as possible.” They have a bunch…

Cont’d: …of chapters. “It’s the New York City chapter that wants to” collaborate with #OWS. “We have a lot of things in common and it…”

Cont’d: “…makes sense for our two movements to feed off of each other.” They say “especially in regard to sustainability.” #NYCGA #OWS

They advocate using “the scientific method” to prescribe solutions to ills, not just one person’s opinion. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Have you guys heard of Sustainability WG and have you talked to them?” A: “Yes, I’ve been to several meetings, also Alternative…”

Cont’d: “…Economies Working Group,” they felt supported. “They seem to be focusing on co-operatives, which is great, but we have…”

Cont’d: “…other things” in mind. “We should have other things on the table besides cooperatives.” #NYCGA #OWS

They feel that the co-op model might be a good bridge, “but we still feel that the monetary system is the problem.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “I dig the resource-based economy, but is it true that you want most things to be automated and run by computers?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Most things would be, but especially” resource management, sounds like. “It’s a process — it’s not like computers would tell ppl…” #OWS

Cont’d: “..what to do.” Want people to have things they want and need, “and if they were more abundant there’d be less conflict and strife.”

“Eventually, we’ll get to a place where the only thing we need is” ways to allocate resources, as long as they’re abundant. #NYCGA #OWS

“We value access over property.” “Things are rotated…” “ everyone has access to goods,” “and allows things to be abundant.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “How do you decide who gets what?” A: “We advocate using the scientific method to decide what resources would…”

Cont’d: “…be needed and how people would get them.” “Want to utilize a lot of the advances we have in technology.” “We don’t decide…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “..who gets what. People have needs and desires, and if we use automated tech to produce food, there’ll be plenty…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “..of food and water for what ppl need,” and if you want something, you want it when you’ll use it. “There has to be enough…”

Cont’d: “…to go around,” system allocates how things go around “based on who wants it and when they want it.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “What would a typical working group look like, and how do you intend to move forward in enacting a resource-based economy?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Like Mike said, it’s a process. It’s arrived at — emergent, not established. We’re not saying, this is what we do, boom.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “It’s the train of thought involved, and the values we’re moving towards. So, it’s a pragmatic approach.” #NYCGA #OWS

Someone else: “To establish a resource-based economy or anything outside the system we have now, we need support from a large..”

Cont’d: “ of people,” so want to work with those w/ their ideas or any ideas outside the current system. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “What are your immediate goals, long-term goals, what actions will you take to create the means by which you want to live?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “First, creating critical mass; that’s our main job here. We’re not technical experts, we need to get as many people on board as poss.”

“We need to have, like, a parallel government. So we have a bunch of ppl who want to move forward w/ this idea, and it has to..” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “..operate in and of itself and not adhere to…” “…it would be a different paradigm.” Nod to Venus Project for one specific example.

CQ: “I’m curious, what sort of apparatus do you propose for determining allocations, what tech would you leverage, and how would you…”

Cont’d: “…solve distribution problems,” such as disparities of cost transporting resources around. #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Well, that’s a huge question.” Nod to high speed rail, 3D printing. And “what resources would we not be able to obtain locally?” #NYCGA

There’s an extended back & forth between the proposers and an ornery scientist; PoPs go up that this isn’t a review of their ideas. #NYCGA

Nathan’s POP: “There’s obviously a couple of ppl who already know where this should go, but our process is to make sure everyone is heard.”

Someone asks another question about “how this differs” from another theory about resource allocation. PoPs go up. #NYCGA #OWS

Camille’s CQ: “Being an #OWS working group, will you adopt consensus process in everything including the ultimate idea that we can have..”

Cont’d: “…cities that run off of supercomputers.” A: “Yes, is the answer, and our movement already adheres to that.” #NYCGA #OWS

RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA @owslibrary is having an #OperationBookBombTucson book donation party at Word Up in Washington Hts on Mar …

RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA Spanish language books and books on Mexican history, culture & education to ship out to students and teac …

RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA Also in two weeks at the next @occupytownsq we will be asking people to donate their books for #Operation …

We were going to move from clarifying questions to concerns, but ppl didn’t consent to extend beyond the original 10 minutes. #NYCGA #OWS

So, we’re moving to the next proposal, from Janet Wilson, Occupy the Roads, who Finance said has been trying to access our bank accounts.

Janet says the other night “a proposal was made about Finance,” and she made a comment that wasn’t in the minutes, and she… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: …seems to get the sense that there is a desire for Accounting transparency. She feels we were overwhelmed by incoming $. #NYCGA #OWS

Janet says when she tried to find out how much we’d made, she couldn’t, found range of answer too wide (.5 to 1 mil). #NYCGA #OWS

Janet says when she tried to find out how much we’d made, she couldn’t, found range of answer too wide (.5 to 1 mil). #NYCGA #OWS

Here’s the text of Janet’s “Finance Transparency” proposal. #NYCGA #OWS

She’s reading the proposal which essentially suggests that “all bank accounts be frozen immediately,” “#OWS is set up as its own 501c(3)..”

Cont’d: “…or vets a new fiscal sponsor; stop using and paying Alliance for Global Justice, set up or get control of WePay account…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…have new bank accounts opened up in a Credit Union or Local banking facility, replace all members of Accounting…” #NYCGA #OWS

POI: “WePay acct has Chuck, our guy at the Alliance for Global Justice on it.” That fiscal sponsorship was consensed to early on by GA.”

POI: “Our fiscal sponsor wrote us an email today and said that this woman, in an email, incorrectly said that she was our bookkeeper…” #OWS

Cont’d: “…this woman who we don’t know wants to freeze our bank accounts, spend all this money to” hire accountants when 501c(3) has to?

Janet says she called Chuck and said “I’m working with the Accounting people,” and “he gave me this stuff almost immediately.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “You came before the GA for funding, and your project was rejected.” A: “No, I didn’t come before the GA for funding at all…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…I sent a proposal to the GA to see if #OWS would fund Occupy the Roads,” someone tried to bring it to GA, she couldn’t. #NYCGA

So then she brought a proposal to GA for solidarity (I’m not sure what happened with that.) #NYCGA #OWS

Anthony’s CQ is: “Why didn’t she try to work w/ Accounting?” A: “I offered to help; Christine told me to get out Tuesday and since then…”

Cont’d: “..everyone has blocked me.” CQ: “What role do you see yourself having in the restructuring process?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Zero. I’m leaving for the roads.” Willing to help set it up, but haven’t volunteered any further. #NYCGA #OWS

Eric: “As many of you know, I’m working on occupying the park for march, which involves having food every day in park at 11:30. I view…”

Cont’d: “…Occupying the park as critical to the movement. It’s what we do. Will your proposal kill my project?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “It’s up to the GA.” CQ: “But you said it would freeze accounts?” “Yes,” everyone shouts. “So, it would kill my project,” Eric says. #OWS

Janet: “My understanding is we’re paying $10,000 a week for kitchen,” but she saw the food and thinks that’s high. POI: “We usually…”

Cont’d: “…spend closer to $4k or $5k.” Janet says, without the park, who are “the occupiers being fed?” POI: “The People’s Kitchen…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…doesn’t just feed occupiers; it feeds everyone.” Applause. “Also, you asked me this question” (about kitchen) “and I answered it.”

Melanie says someone approached her, said she wasn’t being impartial; she temp checks stepping down. “You’re doing a great job,” uptwinkles.

Esco’s CQ: “Hi, I used to work for People’s Kitchen before I went to college. My question is, why does it have to be specifically…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…you have chosen? Because it seems to me like you have a hidden agenda.” “It’s strange that somebody walks in and…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…just changes everything. How can we all administer the money or the guy you’re hiring to manage the money?” #NYCGA #OWS

Janet says there’s no guy, and people can choose the new Accounting working group “or hire outside,” not dictating. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Have you discovered any discrepancy in the accounting in any kind?” A: “I don’t feel comfortable answering it; I don’t…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…have all the facts. So, until such time, I’d give the benefit of the doubt to Accounting…” CQ: “So, no, you haven’t.” #NYCGA #OWS

Tweets for Thu, 09 Feb 2012

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I’m here at the GA in 60 Wall! Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySQGA4 for livetweets. #nycga #ows

Nan put together tonight’s facilitation team and is apparently facilitating with Damien. Folks are objecting. #nycga #ows

Nan made to proceed with announcements; but folks are protesting. “I’ve been waiting on minutes for 20 minutes!” #nycga #ows

Minutes: “We’re not your secretary, Nan.” Nan: “That’s your job. You’re supposed to take minutes.” I think Stan will facilitate. #nycga #ows

Someone else who’s taken the “Intro to Direct Democracy” workshop is stepping up to facilitate for first time. #nycga #ows

So, we’re starting with reportbacks; Nan’s first, tells us that Newark has an eviction deadline now. #nycga #ows

Alternative Banking WG has first reportback: “We’ve been meeting since the early days of #Occupy. We’re now the Occupy Bank.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Next week we’ll issue a press release; our plan is to establish an Occupy Bank.” Democratic, owned by depositors… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…and accessible to everyone, particularly the poor.” Would be transparent. “If we can change banking, we can change the economy.”

Cont’d: They are wondering if there are any banks that want to partner with them. “We’re ready to enter into talks with any bank that…”

Cont’d: “…would uphold these values,” to eventually transform the banking industry. #nycga #ows

Nick, #OccupyTheSEC: “We’re having a march Saturday” against the Fed. 4:00 to 4:30, rally at Liberty Sq. 5pm, march to Fed and rally. #OWS

Joseph, Picture the Homeless. “Tomorrow, will be 2 yrs since put fwd bill” that would force city to do vacant property count yearly. #nycga

PtH “did a property count last summer, released last Thurs at Hunter College.” Found more vacant homes than homeless people. #nycga #ows

Everyone on City Council supports the bill except Eric Elan and Christine Quinn. March Saturday on Elan’s house, 1288 Decatur Street. #nycga

Cont’d: “If the bill is passed, the city will need to do a vacant property count each year,” and communities will decide what to do w/ them.

Cont’d: “We have a lot of people who are working and homeless, b/c the rent is so high.” More info: . #nycga #ows

This Sat, march on Eric Elan’s house. Next Saturday, march on Christine Quinn’s house. for more info. #nycga #ows

Fundraiser Hub had its first meeting recently. Saturday, 5:30, for next meeting. “We have many different plans starting this Saturday.”

FunHub will have a fair 10am at Zuccotti this Saturday, then move to West Park Presbyterian. “Bring all your friends, family!” #nycga

Sorry, the FunHub (Fundraiser Hub) meeting is 5:30 tomorrow, not Saturday. #nycga #ows

Lauren, Minutes: “When Minutes first started, it was a verbatim account of what happened at meeting in real time.” In last month, Minutes…

Cont’d: “…has realized that is not minutes, that’s transcription.” Minutes will now be a summary of the meeting and what happened. #nycga

Minutes will now post the summary within 24 hours onto the website, and post audio recordings onto site so Internet folks can transcribe.

Rich, Vision and Goals, as working group reportbacks continue. “We were here on the 24th seeking consensus on a vision statement…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…we didn’t quite make it then, but we’re working on it and hope to be back soon.” #nycga #ows

Next: “At Occupy Town Square, we’ll have Frank Morales have a workshop on how to squat.” OTS is at West Park Presbyterian, Sat, 1pm. #nycga

Now, our first proposal. “I want to just propose the idea of having a fundraising working group. The fundraising WG is not similar…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…to the FunHub working group; the Fundraising Working Group would mostly be on the computer and fundraising w/ a program..”

Cont’d: “…developed by TechOps.” Would hire a freelance fundraiser to help raise funds, and seek capital and non-capital investments.

Cont’d: “This would be good for fundraising individual groups as well as OWS on the main.” Will have donor lists, send out mailers. #nycga

Lady asks Isaac from TechOps to explain CVCRM: “CRM is Constituent Relationship Manager,” helps you categorize and sort ppl you know. #nycga

It lets you tailor your outreach and “keep track in a systematic way.” Lady wants to present a different proposal, but it needs to go thru..

Cont’d: …Spokescouncil, so they need to be ratified as a working group at GA before they can go to Spokescouncil. #nycga #ows

Good looking out fam. 😀 @CyMadD0x: @LibertySqGA *ahem* that’s *CiviCRM*

OK, stacking up CQs. Nan’s CQ: “First of all, I applaud you for taking the initiative to do this. But did you talk to other WGs who…”

Cont’d: “…might be doing the same thing as you?” A: “Anyone can join the working groups. It’s not about leaving anybody out.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “I thought GA is the supreme authority. Why do you have to go to Spokescouncil?” POI: “There is no supreme authority in #OWS.” #nycga

Questioner is unhappy with that answer. Lady notes that the proposal in question isn’t the one on the table; she just wants her WG. #nycga

Yuri from FunHub asks Lady why she is making a new working group instead of working with FunHub. Lady: “It’s not about not working w…”

Cont’d: “…FunHub,” it’s about doing something with a different focus. “Everyone here can work together or not work together.” #nycga

CQ, actually 2 concerns: “Why aren’t you working with FunHub? And also hiring a professional is more $ to spend.” Stairs PoPs: not a CQ.

Lisa’s CQ: “What led you to decide the WG that was existant was not going to fulfill the kind of mission you wanted to, and will you…”

Cont’d: “..always hire outside help rather than using all the resources within?” Lady points to her collaboration w/ TechOps… #nycga

Cont’d: …and re: FunHub. “They’re creating arts and crafts in this working group.” PoI: “That’s 1 part of FunHub. We also do fundraising.”

Lady: “The art part is not something I want to be associated with.” Yuri is offended, says so while gesticulating w/ his wire art at Lady.

CQ: What are you going to do? Lady says they want to have theme parties, highlight positives of OWS, combat silly bad press. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We need as much news broadcasting as possible, as positive as possible, so we can grow in Spring and Summer.” #nycga #ows

Isaac’s CQ: “Are there other people involved?” A: “We had a mtg Sunday; there’s more ppl involved, and I talked to other WGs and…”

Cont’d: “…they want to get involved in it. We meet every Sunday at 7.” #nycga #ows

Sumumba’s CQ: “How would you work w/ Accounting re: all of this? And you said you’d help w/ phone charges?” Haha. Missed that. #nycga #ows

Lady: “In order to do all this work, we need space, we need phones.” Want space, phones, eq to be donated. Not asking $ frm OWS. #nycga #ows

Sumumba asks if she’d be willing to work with FunHub if this doesn’t pass. Lady: “I think sometimes personalities don’t work well together.”

RE: accounting: “The money would go directly into accounting through the Civi system.” #nycga #ows

Lopi’s CQ: “For this website, is there going to be a timebank involved, where people can do volunteer work into the system?” #nycga #ows

Lady: Yes. Also points to the Permabank project, which will accept in-kind donations. #nycga #ows

Lopi’s CQ #2: “Is it kind of like Kickstarter?” Lady: “The answer is yes.” Stairs notes there are 3 mins left, asks to extend for 10? Aye.

Lopi: “So can #OWS projects and WGs post projects on the website and get funding directly for their projects?” A: “Yes, and this would…”

Cont’d: “…be after the Spokes or the GA accepts your project — doesn’t have to be funding, but just your project.” #nycga #ows

Lopi: “Is it very different than FunHub?” A: “Yes. It’s very different.” It’s event-focused. This is more CRM? #nycga #ows

CQ: “TechOps has a lot of ppl w/ a lot of skills; coming from a different place. Organizing us technologically. We’ve got a lot of…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…grassroots groups, who don’t have housing, and all that.” Notes TechOps moves super fast. She thinks that’s top down. […-Ed.]

Someone asks if FunHub was informed and she tried to work with them. “It wasn’t brought up to FunHub. I went around to working groups..”

Cont’d: “…and FunHub might even block this proposal.” [Yuri does look like he’s ready to go with the block. -Ed.] #nycga #ows

Nan’s first on the Concerns stack. Her concern is that other people might want to block Lady’s proposal. #nycga #ows

Next concern is from someone else in FunHub. She says they are trying to get funding for people to get in homes, not more technology. #nycga

Yuri’s concern: “You said you’re the opposite of FunHub; but we’re an idea group. You have an idea. We’re fundraising consultants.” #nycga

Cont’d: “This sounds like you’re trying to branch off and be a leader in a working group rather than community-based.” #nycga #ows

Lopi PoPs: “This proposal is not about FunHub; it’s about proposing a new working group, the fundraising working group.” #nycga #ows

Next, Lopi’s concern. “My concern is that ppl are not understanding the full scope of what this working group can do…” #nycga #ows

Lady: “The full scope is to create more bonds within – Finance became Accounting; they didn’t want to Finance anything, they wanted…”

Cont’d: “…to become the Accounting of the group.” So Fundraising will step in to do what they can’t, throw parties, events, get those..

Cont’d: …outside of the #OWS community to help. “I don’t want to use big names, but people want to work with us, but they…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…are very wary of our style of working.” Intend to make it easier w/ a process for funding and via friendly events. #nycga #ows

Only a few minutes left on the clock; Stairs temp-checks 5 more minutes. “I see only ups — not too many, but no downs.” #nycga #ows

Frank’s concern: “You’ve got 2 fundraising working groups.” Jill: “I don’t think we can prevent progress, but there is so many…”

Cont’d: “…resources going to TechOps.” She’s in TechOps, she says? [There’s no resources in this proposal at all. -Ed.] #nycga #ows

OK, friendly amendments now. Lisa’s FA: “Can you change your name?” Crowd ponders another name, nothing quickly forthcoming. #nycga #ows

Someone from TechOps has a FA: “Let’s strike the 7%” from funds raised that go into fundraising infrastructure in the proposal. #nycga #ows

Lady clarifies the 7% only applies to funds raised by outside fundraiser. She’s deciding whether to accept the amendment, is concerned…

Cont’d: ..about funding supplies. Someone from TechOps points out that they haven’t quite consensed on CiviCRM. #nycga #ows

So, after it became clear that the 7% fundraising specifics were a part of the Working Group establishment proposal, this was questioned…

Cont’d: …as a point of process. “I have issues with your new working group proposal being combined with essentially yr WG’s first prop.”

So, that becomes a friendly amendment somehow, & the proposal is simplified to essentially just establishing the working group. #nycga #ows

OK, we’re moving to consensus on this proposal. Any standasides? No. Any blocks? Yuri blocks. “It’s exactly the same as FunHub.” #nycga #ows

Yuri feels it’s going to “wipe out a group already in existence.” #nycga #ows

Nan PoPs: “A block has to be a moral, ethical, or saf– ” Can’t hear her finish as entire General Assembly erupts in laughter! #nycga #ows

Lopi’s POP: “Sir, I request that you set your ego aside. A block is supposed to be movement-wide concerns.” #nycga #ows

Nick is also blocking. “Yuri tried to invite you to his fundraising group.” Lady: “WGs should be able to work together on a personal level.”

Cont’d: “It’s not a concern about… anybody is invited to the working group.” Next block is that Lady has pushed ppl away from grp. #nycga

Lady addresses. “That was an affinity group; that’s very different from a working group.” Drew proposes we table proposal; Lady wants to…

Cont’d: …move to modified consensus, which means a 9/10ths majority must vote in favor of the proposal. #nycga #ows

OK, Lady tables the proposal, instead of moving to modified consensus. Moving onto next two proposals from TechOps. #nycga #ows

TechOps’ proposal is to “make an amendment to the Principles of Solidarity to change language which certain members…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…of TechOps found problematic.” Stallman from the free software movement got in touch and suggested instead of “open source”…

Cont’d: …we should embrace “free” software instead. Stallman says “open source” is a right-wing effort to undermine “free.” #nycga #ows

Here’s the proposal, which contains text of change to #OWS Principles of Solidarity. #nycga

Part 2 of the TechOps proposal is to put documents into a version control system, so that changes won’t obscure original versions. #nycga

Drew: “What this also allows us to do is to offer this tool to other occupations,” notes that many other occupations adopted our Declaration

Cont’d: “This version control system would allow them to start with our version, make a new fork, & then change it as they see fit.” #nycga

Cont’d: “They can change them how they wish, and the connection is still apparent — is traceable. It’d be really neat.” #nycga #ows

Time for clarifying questions! Someone asks if this would cause documents to change more. A: No, changes would still come through the GA.

A cont’d: “This is just a more sophisticated way of tracking changes.” Jean’s CQ: “If we have a document, and someone in California…”

Cont’d: “…wants to change it? So TechOps would change that?” No, “we’d start with version 1. We’d make a change — that’s version 2…”

Cont’d: What other occupations would do is take our version, “make changes, then store as *their* version 1.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “I use Linux a lot. That’s open source. What would replace it?” A: “To be clear, Linux is free. The point of the amendment…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…is to better reflect the philosophy behind GNU/Linux.” That “not only can you see the Internals, you are also free…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…to modify them, as in Linux.” Notes that Google API is “open source”, but you have no license to change it. #nycga #ows

CQ: “How will it be transparent to readers online what version this is on the website?” A: “There’s nothing specifically about that…”

Cont’d: “…in the proposal, I imagine the site would reference the Principles of Solidarity; current version would come up.” #nycga #ows

Questioner asks if the original version would still show up. A: “If they go to the version control system, they could see both.” #nycga #ows

Drew (TechOps): “Right now, any administrator of the website could go in and change a word, and it wouldn’t be apparent to anyone…” #nycga

Cont’d: “..who comes to visit our site. We feel secure that wouldn’t happen (There are records), but this makes it impossible to change…”

Cont’d: “…the document, in this system, without that change being reflected.” “If there’s any tomfoolery, not only can the admin see it..”

Cont’d: “…but anyone in the world can say, “oh, they changed it, and I’m looking at the minutes, and no one ever consensed on that.””

Lopi’s CQ: “Would you say this system is somewhat of a reference library for showing any changes in documents we’ve consensed on?” #nycga

A: Yes — it’s a reference tool. Nan’s CQ/Concern: “If we allowed you to make any kind of change down the road, another group…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…might want to make a change, and a change, and we might lose all the solidarity for the movement.” #nycga #ows

TechOps responds, noting that they have no current plans to make other changes, but feel we should be open to changes. #nycga #ows

Again, TechOps explains the history of this proposal, that Stallman suggested the language was problematic. #nycga #ows

CQ: “Will this help with transparency?” A: “Very much. It will make a clear place where all docs are available, and changes will be marked.”

Next two CQs both seek to clarify that the original versions will be preserved unchanged. Yes; that’s what the system is for. #nycga #ows

Next CQ: “Is this like a copyright so you could claim it as intellectual property at some point and make $?” A: “No. It doesn’t affect..”

Cont’d: “…the license or copyright at all.” They note that there is no licensing for docs on website. #nycga #ows

“In this particular regard, this proposal does not affect the license” for docs, which belong to the #NYCGA. #OWS

OK, that’s it for clarifying questions. Let’s move to concerns. Rich: “My concern is that, first, I understand need for GA approval…”

Cont’d: “…of language change,” but why do we even need to rule on versioning? “Seems like routine technical matter ppl just do.” #nycga

A: “You’re right; it could be done, but we want to do it with consent of GA so it can be the *official* repository of our docs.” #nycga #ows

OK, no more concerns. Friendly Amendments? None. OK, TechOps will restate the proposal. #nycga #ows

TechOps: “The phrase “Endeavoring to practice and support wide application of open-source,” would become “Making technologies, knowledge..”

Cont’d: “…and culture open to all to freely access, create, modify, and continue.” Then, version control. #nycga #ows

OK, moving to consensus. Any blocks? Yes, Nan blocks because she really likes the Principles of Solidarity the way that it is. #nycga #ows

Lopi’s POI: “I understand your concern, Nan, but if you go online it says the Principles of Solidarity is a living document.” #nycga #ows

TechOps responds to the block: “I think we just need to trust that the GA will block bad amendments,” not block this good 1 b/c of concern.

Nan thanks them, and says she’ll lift her block, as long as Tech can do something to make sure bad changes cannot happen. #nycga #ows

Drew says they can accept that but only because it’s already built in. People can bring proposals to GA to reverse bad changes. #nycga #ows

Nan notes that she doesn’t trust working groups because “you guys bring all your friends and you push things through.” [Yikes. -Ed.] #nycga

Drew says he agrees, “people can just get people to come,” it only takes 10% to block, notes it’s unfair to TechOps to block b/c… #nycga

Cont’d: “…the system is open to manipulation.” Stairs notes that Nan is trying to make a second friendly amendment. #nycga #ows

Nan’s second friendly amendment, to be clear, is to give people online 10% ability to block changes. Lopi notes this is a separate proposal.

Nan notes that TechOps accepted the friendly amendment. “Since you accepted it, and Drew you always work with me, I lift my block.” #nycga

[Sometimes I feel scared that tweeting Nan’s behavior might give ppl impression that her blocks are appropriate. They’re the opposite. -Ed.]

OK! We’ve reached consensus on the first component of the proposal: TechOps makes 1st change since original Principles of Solidarity. #nycga

Next, we also reach consensus on moving #OWS docs into a version control system! No blocks. Full consensus! #nycga #ows

OK! Whew. The next proposal is also from TechOps, but it’s an “emergency proposal because” it regards a day of action Saturday. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Truthfully, it should have been known in advance, which should rule out from emergency proposal.” But hopes we’ll be lenient.

The TechOps emergency prop is to write a response to ACTA. “It’s like SOPA, which would censor the Internet, but on a global scale.” #nycga

Stairs tempchecks whether we want to hear the proposal. “One downtwinkle; we have 15 minutes left, so we’ll give this 15 minutes.” #nycga

TechOps: “A few of us wrote a statement…” Can’t get it up on his phone. Nan: “And you guys are supposed to be TechOps? Come on!” #nycga

TechOps still having a hard time pulling it up; Nan still giving them flak for it. Here we go! “Proposal to denounce ACTA. We propose the..”

Cont’d: “…take a public stand against ACTA.” Would affect laws of most developed nations including countries not involved in negotiations.

ACTA: Negotiations took place behind closed doors. It’s worse than SOPA and extends across world. “We should all be very…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…worried about ACTA and other trade agreements on the world economy.” Affects health and well-being of global poor, enforces…

Cont’d: …seed patents, threatens right to privacy and freedom by forcing ISPs to act as Internet police, bans sampling, discussions…

Cont’d: …on ACTA remains secret except for leaks; was started by Bush but was passed under Obama w/o need for Senate confirmation?? #nycga

Now stacking up CQs. Nan’s first. “I’m trying to understand- it’s wonderful to hear you read it, but I’m confused, what exactly…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…you want us to do? You want to do a Day of Action; we have DA to do that?” A: “It’s not the DoA; that’s not us. We want…”

Cont’d: “ pass this statement and put our names on it to show solidarity” with the Day of Action around the world. #nycga #ows

CQ: “What was that about intellectual properties?” A: “ACTA would make it virtually illegal, basically, to remix. You couldn’t take…”

Cont’d: “..a copyrighted work of information, mash it up with something else, and call it a new work of art.” #nycga #ows

ACTA questions continued: “So you couldn’t sample?” A: “Correct, they’re basically trying to kill hiphop.” BOOOOO. #nycga #ows

Nan: “I think that’s a great thing to do, because artists are losing all this money with the free downloads, it’s good to crack down.”#nycga

Oooh. TechOps responds: “That’s just one of the aspects,” but maintains that it’s a limitation on creativity, not piracy. #nycga #ows

CQ: “What else besides killing hiphop?” A: “I think the scariest thing is that it makes it illegal for ISPs around the world to not…”

Cont’d: “…track everything their users access.” It also gives rightsholders the right to enforce drug patents themselves. #nycga #ows

TechOps: “ACTA essentially would give Merck the right to seize a ship full of AIDS drugs and destroy it.” #nycga #ows

OK, friendly amendments now. Nan’s FA: “In a way, I agree with part of the ACTA, b/c I’m sick and tired of ppl stealing other people’s..”

Cont’d: “..creativity and work, if I make something, I don’t want someone to take it. Go make your own.” But against drug thing. #nycga #ows

So, her entirely unrelated FA is they put it not just on but on other #OWS websites. Daryl says add PR list: sure. #nycga #ows

Next FA is to note that passing it w/o Senate is clearly unconstitutional, wants to add language that says that. #nycga #ows

Proposer also wants Daryl to add to his amendment to let them fix grammar, b/c he just noticed an error and can’t make FA himself. #nycga

Hahah. Daryl agrees to add that to his FA. “You can fix it, just as long as you don’t add any violence.” LULZ? I awno. #nycga #ows

Next FA is to add list of all the other folks that have come out against ACTA, like Free Network Foundation. Accepted. #nycga #ows

OK, so they’ll restate the proposal w/ added amendments. “Our proposal is for the GA to endorse a statement in opposition to…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which I read, but adding reference to unconstitutionality of US approval, and…”#nycga

Cont’d: “…listing people who’ve already come out against it.” OK. Moving to consensus: any standasides? No. Any blocks? NAN. #nycga #ows

Nan’s block: “I was for it, until you mentioned grammar.” Proposer explains he corrected the grammar as he read it aloud. So not different.

Nan makes him read the proposal aloud again. It’s explained that the grammar changes are very small, like a missing word “the”. #nycga

OK, Nan decides to standaside, and there are no blocks! Stairs: “We have consensus!” YAY. I’ll get that statement for y’all. #nycga #ows

Announcements time! Nan notes that Saturday, she’ll bring her proposal to dissolve the Spokescouncil to the GA, again. #nycga #ows

That’s it for announcements, and for the GA! Thanks fam! Any questions, concerns, comments… aww, you know who it is. #nycga #ows

Here’s a screenshot of TechOps’ stment vs #ACTA, approved by #OWS General Assembly pending addition of minor changes.

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Last night’s GA livetweets were somewhat hampered by a lack of livestream. We’re gonna LT the last proposal now from recorded audio. #nycga

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So, the proposal at hand is the proposal to assist with the funding of Ellis Roberts’ commissary, to tune of $220/month. #nycga #ows

Daryl’s PoI: “There are $92,000 dollars in the bail fund.” Earlier, Camille pointed out that the fund was to be used only for bail. #nycga

CQ: “This is not necessarily an OWS action he was arrested at. Are we then opening a door that anyone who’s arrested for anything…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…who identifies with the movement, we’re obligated to be in solidarity with him?” A: “I hear that concern; that night…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…was Ellis’ birthday, and.. we found out about that event because we went to GA. We thought it was an #OWS event.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “But my question is, does the language — is there any limit?” A: “The language is very clear; it says our OWS comrades.” #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “And I definitely think we know who’s part of #OWS and who’s active, and I think each circumstance will have unique aspects…”

Cont’d: “…but if they are part of #OWS, people’ll be there to say that.” CQ: “So but if I get arrested for selling pot…?” Camille has a PoI.

Camille’s PoI: “Another PoI from Jail Support: the deal w/ our representation from the NLG and whether or not people are from #OWS…” #nycga

Cont’d: “The NLG won’t represent you if you’re arrested selling pot. But if you’re arrested for protest activities they’ll represent you.”

Camille says that Ellis is being represented by the NLG, and this is a strong rule of thumb. Tony: “It was an #Occupy action.” #nycga

Tony: “If we decide we’re not going to honor any other #occupy actions, fine. #2, I was at a GA where we consensed we’d bail out any OWSer.”

Tony cont’d: “Someone brought up the same question about other crimes and they were twinkled to hell down.” #nycga #ows

Camille: “Precedent was set for this with the Oakland bail fund.” Sean is next on stack with a CQ. “Before we discuss the specifics of..”

Cont’d: “..this case, can we decide what we should be doing, and then figure out if this case applies? Decide how we should be doing it…”

Cont’d: “…and then ask the difficult question about whether it should apply here.” Camille just answered that, he’s told. #nycga #ows

.@CMarieDaniel: “To be clear, this would come from the bail fund?” A: “It comes from where it comes from.” Pressed further: “Yes.” #nycga

Stairs closing stack. Daryl points out that a member of #OWS is more likely to get arrested to begin with, and the “how is it?” and “what..”

Cont’d: “…was it for?” are conversations we didn’t get to have here. Advocates for more disclosure and case-by-case discussion. #nycga #ows

A: “Normally #OWS bails folks out; this is different b/c he’s in Riker’s and needs commissary. So the ? is does that support end in jail?”

[We’re currently LTing the last part of last night’s GA, regarding proposal to give Ellis Roberts $ for Riker’s commissary. -Ed.] #nycga

A cont’d: “I certainly hope that’s not the case. So what I’m asking for is #OWS to support our comrades if they end up in Riker’s.” #nycga

Cont’d: “And now there’s one there, and he’s been left alone with zero in his commissary since the 31st.” #nycga #ows

PoI: “In Riker’s island, they don’t feed you very much.” Says they often lock you without food for weeks on end. Commissary very important.

Lauren’s CQ: “As a matter of process, I wonder if this is a convo we need to be having in the Financial decisionmaking body, Spokescouncil.”

Lauren suggests that GA should weigh in on this now, but proposer says she put it up for both bodies and facilitation directed it to GA.

Daryl says he feels that it’s a movement decision, not just specifically a financial thing. “This is clearly an extra-budgetary issue…”

Cont’d: “…& the $’s already been allocated.” Stairs wants to confer w/ other facilitators to make sure the proposal’s in order. #nycga #ows

PoI is raised that it was directed to GA because it’s being brought by an individual (Spokes is a working-group centric body.) #nycga #ows

PoI cont’d: “If the GA doesn’t approve this the proposer can try to get support from their working group and bring it to Spokes.” #nycga

Stairs decides to speak with members of Facilitation before proceeding. The GA will now go into recess for a minute. #nycga #ows

OK, #NYCGA is “back in session” (this is last night’s conclusion). Stairs took a break to decide whether the proposal to extend the… #nycga

Cont’d: …bail fund to Ellis Roberts’ commissary at Riker’s island, is something GA can hear or needs to go to Spokes. #nycga #ows

Stairs says it was determined that since this relates to bail fund, not overall finances, it should go to GA. Anthony is uncomfortable…

…but he’s willing to go forward. PoI: “The bail proposal was passed by this body. The Spokes cannot modify a proposal the GA passed.”#nycga

Stairs temp-checks having a 5 minute convo. Daryl “point of processes” and suggests we don’t need that, should go forward. #nycga #ows

Anthony clarifies he’s willing to go forward, but wants the GA to decide for itself. He temp-checks continuing — looks good. #nycga #ows

Two more people are on stack for clarifying questions. Jack’s CQ: “We still don’t know how many ppl have cases pending…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…and if we did, we should also know what total amount of bail was spent. And also an estimate of future funds.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “And it would be good to know what money we expect back, could use that $ to help people like Ellis.” #nycga #ows

Camille says that Jail Support and Finance are working on just such a timeline. “That money, no matter if it was used for bail…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…before the fund was made, it would go back into the bail fund.” Redirecting it would, she says, be up to Spokescouncil. #nycga

Sage’s CQ.. sounds like he forgot he was on stack. “We discussed it in the breakout group and I feel that if properly expressed this…”

Cont’d: “…could easily pass tonight. There were clarifying questions, we have clarity. I think we all want this passed and for Ellis to…”

Cont’d: “…be supported while he’s in jail.” Joanne’s CQ is: they say “he’s not even getting food or water; how can this be?” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “That really cannot be, that’s not reasonable.” OK, that’s it for CQ stack. Now opening stack for concerns and friendly amendments.

First friendly amendment: “#OWS would not pay for a person until after the 7th day.” Also, “if convicted for a crime that has nothing to..”

Cont’d: “…do with #OWS actions, #OWS would end the funding.” Proposer accepts both. #nycga #ows

Lauren’s concern: “My concern is that this proposal- it’s hard for us to make this decision because it feels like two decisions at once.”

Lauren cont’d: “One question is, do we support someone who is in jail?” Suggests we answer that, and then address specific case. #nycga

Lauren: “It would be better to set a general precedent, than to have one person setting the precedent. Does that make sense?” Yes, ppl say.

Tony suggests that “the language is very general. It applies to all of us.” Lauren: “I think that’s true, but not that everyone’s hearing…

Cont’d: “…the general language.” Suggests we change the language a little bit to make more clear we’re talking about larger precedent.#nycga

A: “The bottom line of the proposal was a proposal that #OWS provide legal and commissary funds for any detained #OWSers.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “And specifically the commissary fund was $220/month.” $7.33/day. “That’s what the proposal is for.” #nycga #ows

Lauren says maybe she was confused because all of the CQs were about Ellis, and just needed it restated. #nycga #ows

Next C: “I just want to make sure that any decisions that are made have to be applied consistently and equally.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Also, this movement is supposed to be non-hierarchical.” Notes that presentation “tried to clarify he was a bona-fide member..”

Cont’d: “…but in a way, you know, 1st-day occupier — it started feeling a bit like status and hierarchy. And I know it’s just…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…inadvertent, and that you were trying to state he is an active member, but I just think we should watch that.” #nycga #ows

A: “The reason I stated that was to highlight the duration of commitment to this movement. B/c honestly, I saw a lack of care…” #nycga

Cont’d: “..coming from this movement that killed me. You know, people were saying, how is Ellis related to #OWS? And I couldn’t believe it.”

C again: “It’s just a concern” — again, wants to make sure we’re careful about status & hierarchy. “We’re lucky it’s 1 person, what if 25?”

Last concern on stack. “My question/concern/possible friendly amendment: I’m hearing a lot of concern about setting precedent without..”

Cont’d: “..maybe really having thought it through carefully.” Notes it clashes with proposers’ goals to get Ellis funded now. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “So, I’m wondering if it might be possible to make a proposal to fund Ellis for a month at least while this gets figured out.”#nycga

A: “I’m giving the down-fingers for that. This is not just for Ellis because it could be any of us. #OWS is now considered low-level…”

Cont’d: “..terrorism. Any of us could be in Riker’s.” Want to take care of comrades both if free and if detained. #nycga #ows

Amender again restates it was simply a way to maybe ensure the proposal passes. Proposer declines the amendment. #nycga #ows

That’s it for concerns; the proposer will now restate the proposal. “This proposal is for #OWS to provide legal support and $7.33/day…”

Cont’d: “…commissary for detained #OWSers. That’s $220/month.” FAs: “Commissary would end if #OWS was convicted of non-#OWS charge…”

Cont’d: “…and that it doesn’t start until 7 days in detention, and also that the money will come from the bail fund.” #nycga #ows

Anthony: “So at this pt in time, I’d like to ask the GA how it feels about going forward with the consensus process on this?” Looks good.

Anthony asks for standasides. “That’s when you don’t feel this should go forth, but not something” that’s a moral, ethical, safety concern.

No standasides. Someone CQ: “If he’s found guilty, would we still be paying budget amount for his food?” Notes will determine block. #nycga

Sean: “I’ll heavily not block, as long as it terminates at the acceptance of a guilty verdict.” Proposer accepts the amendment. #nycga #OWS

Proposer reconsiders, asks for a temperature check on “whether we should cease commissary funds if found guilty” of crime. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “I’m seeing a lot of down-twinkles.” So, the proposer actually doesn’t accept that friendly amendment. #nycga #ows

So, redoing consensus: two standasides. Now will ask for blocks… #nycga #ows

Stairs: “A block represents a moral, ethical, or safety concern. And Fuck Monsanto.” There’s one block. #nycga #ows

Block: “I don’t know for how long this is supposed to go; don’t know enough about case in general.” Thinks we should decide commissary…

Cont’d: …in general before determining if this one person gets it “Because, like, if someone does 10 years, do we pay commissary?” #nycga

Stairs clarifies this is not about the individual but is about people detained long-term in general. “This will be setting a precedent.”

Block: “I still have a block because I don’t know for how long it’s going to be. It seems very different from bail.” #nycga #ows

Stairs asks if there’s a friendly amendment to resolve block. Blocker suggests setting a short period of time as limit. #nycga #ows

Stairs suggests he propose a set time “rather than stating it vaguely.” Blocker notes she rejected Sean’s amndment so doubts can compromise.

So, the block stands. Stairs asks proposer if she wants to move to a 9/10ths majority vote, our fallback when consensus fails. #nycga #ows

Modified consensus: those for proposal? 16 for. How many against? 1. “YAY!” someone yells. Stairs: “This passes by modified consensus.”

“Free Ellis!” Anthony: “Fuck Monsanto! This was the last proposal that we had.” Opening stack for announcements. #nycga #ows

Sage: “I’m heading the Facilitation team for #SC tmrw. If any1 is of a religious persuasion, feels like praying for me, that’s appreciated.”

Anthony closes with a reminder that he’s agreed to take responsibility if that last proposal ends up being considered a breach of process.

Anthony: “I’m doing this on principle, b/c when I facilitate, I’m representing the process.” #nycga #ows

Stairs (Anthony): “& THE [2/7/12] GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS NOW DONE! FUCK MONSANTO!” “Fuck Monsanto!” [Thx fam. Seeya tonight. -Ed.] #nycga #ows

Hey fam! #NYCSC is starting right noooowwwww! Follow: here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, & @LibertySqGA4 for livetweets/overflow. #nycsc

First, Archives report back. Trying to set up a candlelight vigil Friday at 6:30 outside Syrian consulate. It’ll go til Saturday AM. #nycsc

SIS: “We’ve lost access to the building,” they’re having a meeting about it. “We probably won’t lose access to the space.” #nycsc #ows

DA: “We’re building up to the GS; two General Strike meetings will be Wednesday and Saturday.” Other DA mtgs, Tues 5:30-8, / Sun 12-6 #nycsc

Jeff’s announcement: “Metrocards are here this evening.” CQ: “How long will you be here?” Jeff: “End of Spokes, or end of Metrocards.”#nycsc

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We’re taking a quick break so folks can get their Metrocards. #nycsc #ows

OK, we’re coming back. @Buddhagem is telling us about his idea to make a short video about the process we use. #nycsc #ows

They’re filming with three different cameras to show the process – asking folks who are uncomfortable being filmed to raise hands. #nycsc

Sage: “Just to be inclusive to the camera people, to do what we’re doing, instead of being exclusive, Dave has his camera pointed in…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…this direction; you can easily sit over here and avoid being filmed.” #nycsc #ows

Filmer: “I’m making a long-format documentary, and my understanding now is everyone w/ exception of this one person is OK w/ it.” Yup!#nycsc

The film is going to be about more than the spectacle, she says, and will highlight our process. Might be on PBS! [Like! -Ed.] #nycsc #ows

Archives has one more announcement. “I thought it would be a good idea to gather some books together for Ellis.” Can get 4 books at a time.

Cont’d: “Maybe Saturday, if anyone is coming to Occupy Town Square Saturday, you can bring a book or two and we can send them off.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “They have to be paperback books. Not hardcover.” #nycsc #ows

Class War is working on an action for March 31st in Solidarity w/ Europe! They’re networking with other groups here. #nycsc #ows

Also, they’re starting a chapter of Class War WG on the West coast. “And Fuck Monsanto!” Quickly becoming Anthony’s catchphrase. #nycsc #ows

Joseph tells us that Ellis is being held at Riker’s until they extradite him to Pennsylvania. He asks for Legal to get on the case… #nycsc

Cont’d: …but I think they are already. Sage holds up the signup sheet for Spokes, who are the ppl empowered to speak frm each working group.

Coming to tonite’s agenda. Sage: “There’s a budget proposal. Besides that proposal, are there any proposals tht need to be on agenda?”#nycsc

No immediate takers. Hey, it’s @raviahmad, presenting this proposal! “This is a budget proposal in 2 parts; been worked on by a bunch of…”

Cont’d: “…groups, we’re hoping to take it to more groups in the coming days to make sure it’s something the community really believes in.”

Here’s the proposal: “A Proposal To Create a Budget Process for Spokescouncil.” It’s from Acccounting. Christine and Ravi proposing. #nycsc

Ravi: “If the full proposal is passed, there will be no petty cash.” Groups need to establish standing budget. #nycsc #ows

Ravi: “On Monday, we’ll seek consensus on building an #OWS-wide budget process where working groups propose recurring and one-time budgets.”

Ravi: “We believe by building a common process & reporting requirements, we’ll provide the transparency & efficiency this mvment deserves.”

The first three parts of the proposal we’ll discuss tonight are: to formally consent that all WGs that follow the terms of the InfoHub…

Cont’d: …proposal regarding working group requirements are able to participate in Spokescouncil… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: …that Spokescouncil is the venue for OWS working groups to check each other’s direct budgetary access to the general fund…#nycsc

Cont’d: …and third, to agree to the abolition of the petty cash system by which working groups had received $100/day. #nycsc #ows

CQ, Facilitation: “We’re wondering if you can speak briefly to reason behind abolishing the daily petty cash.” #nycsc #ows

A: “Yes. On average, when we had petty cash, we were spending $3-5k a day in petty cash. Most of it was going to personal food…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…and transportation, even tho we had Metrocards and Kitchen, ppl found it easier just to spend it on transportation and food.”

Cont’d: “We’d try to say that if you send it on food, it has to be your whole group — ppl’d just consense to take their whole group out.”

Cont’d: “We have significantly less than $200k right now,” so it’s untenable. “Spending freeze came together out of need for a budget.”

Cont’d: “You can put discretionary funding in your budget, but having one person come get it..” “It wasn’t great.” #nycsc #ows

Town Planning: “I just wanted to note that the first thing (InfoHub proposal rule), we already consensed on.” It’s redundant. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “Also, is petty cash a GA thing?” A: “It was essentially made up way back in the park; we consensed that GA needs to approve…”

Cont’d: “…everything over $100, which ppl took to mean under $100 didn’t need GA approval.” Got way out of control. #nycsc #ows

TP: “I just wanted to make sure we’re saying, kill it entirely.” A: “Yes. Kill it dead.” #nycsc #ows

CQ, Minutes: “Did this come from the financial assembly?” A: “Sort of. First mtg was well-attended, after that no one came.” #nycsc #ows

CQ: “What groups is this prop coming from?” A: “Accounting, Info, OWS Works, Sustainability.” Were more involved but aren’t here to sponsor.

CQ, TechOps: “Question about what you mean by ‘checking on each other’ in terms of budget- it says 2 or 4 weeks to…” #nycsc #ows

A, @raviahmad: “That’s in the second part of the proposal. Honestly, we couldn’t decide on length of time. Point is that everyone…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…who has a budget has to bring it back to Spokes and be re-consensed upon.” Depends on how many groups go through it. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “If it was 10 groups, we could do it every 2 weeks. If it’s 25, could take a lot of time and maybe we want to do it once a month.”

TechOps wants a little elaboration about how they see the process going forward. A: “Monday, Medics reported back about their budget…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…and it was OK, but a little rough, people were asking weird questions, why are you going to DC, etc.” So the idea with this…

Cont’d: …is to establish a standard structure and process for this type of reporting and to make it work better. #nycsc #ows

Also, Christine from Accounting notes that they get a lot of flak and don’t want to be the ppl to hold folks accountable. Would rather…

Cont’d: …ppl “report back on their budgets to the whole community” rather than leaning on Accounting for oversight. #nycsc #ows

Vision and Goals’ CQ: “I was wondering, for, like, travel, transportation, are we still eligible for that?” A: “If you guys need it, put…”

Cont’d: “…it in your budget.” Community will need to consense on the item based on the reasoning and purpose. #nycsc #ows

They also ask how to pay back or turn in receipts, email and they’ll set up a time. #nycsc #ows

V&G also: “Just quickly, there were some names and numbers on some spreadsheet?” Yeah they’ll talk about that later. #nycsc #ows

OccupyFarms’ CQ: “First, why is the financial information delayed until Monday?” A: “We just didn’t have time to get it all together.”#nycsc

CQ, part 2: “Given that Spokes are consensed on by working group, why is Spokes able to take over control of GA money?” #nycsc #ows

A: “I think the 1st issue is that Spokes was made operational Jan 2. But in the Spokes proposal, that’s the function of the Spokescouncil.”

Cont’d: “So, that’s what we’re doing, to make it more clear that operational groups in particular need to come to Spokes for $.” #nycsc #ows

Working groups are now conferring on concerns. We’re about to open stack for concerns on this proposal. #nycsc #ows

Before concerns, the proposers want to address some things they heard in the working group discussion. #nycsc #ows

First one is, yes, the Spokescouncil already approved the first item in this proposal, so that’s redundant. #nycsc #ows

Carrie from Minute asks about the word “operational” being left out of the proposal. A: Ops groups get budgets, but SC can… #nycsc

Cont’d: …be a place for all working group accountability for money, whether “operational” or not. #nycsc #ows

Next concern is the process of ratifying this to the GA. A: “Our understanding is the spending freeze required a budget to come to GA…”

Cont’d: “…to end the spending freeze.” It isn’t to gt approval, it’s to show GA “hey, we made a budget, the freeze is over now right?”#nycsc

Cont’d: “Part of the reason we’re bringing this proposal is because nobody else has.” #nycsc #ows

CQ: “So you’re saying the GA doesn’t have to consense on the budget?” A: “I think we need to look at minutes, but we’re proposing that…”

Cont’d :”…whatever minutes says we have to take to the GA, let’s take it to the GA.” That part of the proposal is for Monday anyway. #nycsc

CQ: “Is it really in the best interest of Spokes to take time to go through budgeting for each WG when there’s lots of other things for…”

Cont’d: “…spokes to be doing?” A: “It’s not individual budgets going to GA, it’s the big picture, the process, the big number. Since any…”

Cont’d: “…working group can come here to be a part of that process…” Also he suggests that line-item vetoes be part of that process. #nycsc

Ravi: “We’ll see.” More discussion of all this at Occupy Town Squares on Saturday. #nycsc #ows

Sage notes that facilitation is noticing there’s a bit of a back of forth, temp check allowing that conversational method. #nycsc #ows

Cool, people are into letting things be a little less formal, although Sage notes that only two parties should go back and forth at all.

Bless gets up to speak, saying he’s Spoke for Kitchen. He’s not, hahah. He’s gonna do it anyway. #nycsc #ows

Sage, to Bless: “The only reason we’re letting you speak is we don’t have anyone to pick you up and carry you out.” #nycsc #ows

Bless lets us know that he and Ice need help with breakfast in the kitchen. if you can help. #nycsc #ows

Housing’s concern is next, wants to make sure the second item has been generalized, which is true. Budget isn’t the *only* function of #SC.

Jeff (Housing) also feels the definition of “operational” becomes tricky when you open the SC up to all working groups. #nycsc #ows

A: “Yeah, we were talking about it with minutes — all WGs can discuss budgets.” Doesn’t mean that all WGs get one. #nycsc #ows

Jeff notes he feels it makes the whole definition of operational working groups moot, but steps back b/c we’re not discussing that tonight.

Anthony expresses his interpretation of the definition of “operational,” which is not part of this proposal and a contentious loop we’ve…

Cont’d: …gotten stuck in many times before. Everyone boos merrily. Moving on. #nycsc #ows

Anthony (Class War) continues. “This is very important stuff we’re dealing with right now, so let’s bring this discussion to our WGs.”#nycsc

Facilitation: “We just have a concern, it’s really straightforward, about getting the word out about this proposal. We know you don’t…”

Cont’d: “…need to post it, and you did send it in earlier today.” Ravi notes it’s been posted. “But we just want you to make sure…”

Cont’d :”…you get the monday proposal posted.” Ravi says yes, and she’ll be around and at Occupy Town Square, and everywhere! #nycsc #ows

TechOps’ C: “We have a problem with the clarification of the second one.” Less happy with something they wanted changed in the first…

Cont’d: …place than they were before. It’s the language about SC being *the* venue for budgetary proposals. #nycsc #ows

A: “We’re talking about it’s the sole venue for *recurring* budgets,” which go to Ops groups anyway. DA, movement stuff still goes to GA.

TechOps is still uncomfortable with “sole venue,” which is the new language. A: “This is confirming what is already happening.” #nycsc

A: “These are groups that ppl agree are operational. Groups with recurring budgets are pretty much operational.” #nycsc #ows

They acknowledge they can’t tell the GA how to give money, and can’t rule out the GA approving budgets. But they feel like the… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: ..most consistent way to do direct budgeting is via Spokes. Things that need shorter-term funding for projects won’t need…

Cont’d: …a recurring budget. Next Concern: “RE: ending petty cash; is that frozen b/c of spending freeze?” A: “Yes.” #nycsc #ows

Concern: “When does the freeze end?” A: “There’s a lack of clarity on that.” Asks Minutes for help. “I thought it was for a month and…”

Cont’d :”…would come back if we didn’t do anything.” Others believe it will stay in effect until we pass a budget. “But either way, we…”

Cont’d: “…should pass a budget.” And also end petty cash before it comes back, so we can at least agree we need to budget. #nycsc #ows

They aren’t coming up with a budgetary process, they’re setting one up, so that when the freeze lifts, regardless of how, we’re good. #nycsc

The concerned spoke iterates that they would like to have more info about spending in past. A: “Yes. The discussion about…” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d :”…information on what we’ve spent is” in the proposal, specifies sharing that info. #nycsc #ows

C: “It’s our understanding that groups that are not operational also have the option of petitioning to become operational.” #nycsc #ows

A: “Yes. Absolutely. And that’s envisioned in larger proposal quite explicitly that we would restart ratification process.” #nycsc #ows

Jeff again. He’s totally into both the first item and the third item, notes Housing had issues with petty cash accountability. #nycsc #ows

Jeff: “I think what’s bothering me [re: the second one] is.. I understand sentiment behind it, but semantics can be really important.”#nycsc

Cont’d: “I just want clarity about what the change is from the original statement you had written about the purpose of Spokescouncil.”#nycsc

Jeff: “I just want clarity as to how this is different from what we consensed on previously.” #nycsc #ows

A: “Spokes has been the place where budgetary decisions are made.” I.e. Kitchen, Housing. “I think what we are saying when we say OWS..”

Cont’d :”…working groups will check each other’s budgetary access is that this involves groups reporting their budget to..” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d :”…spokescouncil at a given time, and that groups will have the opportunity to raise issues about those budgets.” We’re already…

Cont’d: …doing it, but they want to formalize it. Jeff: “If we’re already doing it, why are you proposing it?” #nycsc #ows

Ravi and Christine try to explain, it’s because it lays the groundwork for the bigger proposal. “Aside from the original SC proposal…”

Cont’d: “…we’re making an effort to structure the financial reportback process.” #nycsc #ows

Jeff says he doesn’t want us to consense to anything we’re not discussing, so if that is true, we should wait. #nycsc #ows

They want to clarify the language by adding to the second proposal explicit language requiring WGs to report back to SC on budgets. #nycsc

Jeff: “So that’s the whole purpose of the second line?” Everything else looks like existing policy. “Basically, you want reportbacks.”#nycsc

Sage asks us to temp check giving the proposers a few minutes to recompose their language. They’ll have a breakout grp re: part 2. #nycsc

OK, we’re coming back! Sage: “If you can hear me clap once!” (CLAP) “OK, that’s enough.” #nycsc #ows

Apparently the breakout group working on the language for part 2 wants 5 more minutes. Sage temp checks… looks good. OK, 5 more mins. #nycsc

Sage: “It’s 9:30, we’ve got to be out of here by 10. I’d like to have a 5 minute buffer at least.” First, we’ll hear the new language.#nycsc

Restating the proposal: “There are 2 directions we could go w/ this right now. A big concern raised in this breakout group is about…”

Cont’d: “..the second line, which at start read: “the Spokescouncil is the sole venue for WGs to check each others’ budgetary access.”

Cont’d: “That led into a conversation about whether it’s the sole place; what about movement groups versus operational groups? Who…”

Cont’d: “…gets to have a budget?” We could discuss that now, but are considering changing second line to: “One of the purposes…”

Cont’d: “…of Spokescouncil is as a body where budgets are formed, checked, and agreed on by the community.” Rest of convo would be Monday.

They ask facilitation to temp-check changing that second line, b/c they want to make sure it doesn’t raise any new concerns: #nycsc #ows

“One of the purposes of SC is as a body in which recurring budgets of WGs are formed, checked, and reported back to the community.” #nycsc

OK, so the temp check was very positive, looks like no new concerns were raised. So, that’s the new language for part 2. #nycsc #ows

Sage is now asking for Standasides. There’s one. FunHub? […. who? -Ed.] Someone points out WGs need to confer first. #nycsc #ows

FunHub stood aside. Archive has a PoP questioning their legitimacy. They’re actually “Fundraiser Hub” and are legit apparently. #nycsc #ows

There’s one block: Women Occupying Wall Street. “We believe that breaking this up into two different discussions isn’t the right…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…thing to do.” Don’t think rules should be generated and then discussed, but vice versa. Cart before horse. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “This is something happening in #OWS quite a bit; do something and then talk about it.” Want rules to come from discussion. #nycsc

A: “I really wish you brought this up earlier. I had no idea this was a blocking concern for your group; wish it had been expressed.” #nycsc

WoW responds: “I don’t think the process we’ve gone through has allowed for that.” Lots of muddiness, didn’t have concern til now. #nycsc

A: “I think the reason we felt it was really important to do those 3 things first is that often, these conversations get really bogged…”

Cont’d: “…down in details, and we think some of the most important groundwork is in these first 3 things, to rein the convo in.” #nycsc

They also feel these first three things are things we all basically agree on. “If we discussed the whole thing, it wouldn’t pass right now.”

Cont’d: “Let’s consense on the things we all agree on, and then” move forward from there on the more contentious ideas. #nycsc #ows

Ravi: “Also, to follow up on financial assembly – no one showed up. Was to be 4 hours long. Doing this in one SC is impossible, so…”

Cont’d: “..we split it up into pieces.” Note immediacy of need to end petty cash before possible end of freeze Wednesday. #nycsc #ows

Ravi: “We may only have today and Monday; feel that w/o groundwork, this wouldn’t be fruitful Monday.” Was tactical decision. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “We just want to explain where we’re coming from. It may or may not alleviate your block.” WoW will converse. #nycsc #ows

Sage brings us back. “It’s 9:45, we have to do this now. Does your block still stand, WoW?” A: “Yes, it does still stand.” #nycsc #ows

WoW: “We think that the rules shouldn’t come before the conversation.” Proposers look to be aiming to modified consensus. #nycsc #ows

WoW restate their block: “We don’t believe the first 3 sections we’re consensing on tonight should be done before the fourth…” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…section. That should be a part of this conversation.” Ravi: “We feel comfortable we understand your block; although we disagree..”

Cont’d: “..we hope our comments about needing to have these particular discussions within these time periods explain our view.” #nycsc #ows

So, we voted 18 up, 2 down. But then the Kitchen spoke took issue with the result, so we’re having a recount. 19 yays this time. #nycsc #ows

And now 3 down. So, they’re trying to get consensus on just ending petty cash now…. #nycsc #ows

Not happening; we have to leave. So, the proposal didn’t pass, but the discussion is already scheduled to continue Monday. #nycsc #ows

OK! That’s it! Thanks for tuning into another Spokescouncil, fam. Much love. #nycsc #ows

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RT @OWScom: TONIGHT: General Assembly 7PM at 60 Wall St. #ows #infohub #nycga

Getting ready to start #OWS General Assembly at 60 Wall St.! Y’all can follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, @LibertySqGA4. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “Mic check! General Assembly will begin now! So people with proposals, come over here! And stuff!” #nycga #ows

Anthony temperature checks him facilitating – looks good, though he has one heckler. Someone new will join him. Lauren is on Minutes! #nycga

Sage is slated to keep time – he’s explaining his unique method, which involves using buffers to give folks some leeway. #nycga #ows

Sage: “Hi, my name is Sage. Each stack will have a different amount of time.” If we end up w/ too many on stack will recommend breakout.

Anthony notes: it’s a public meeting; ppl can film. He identifies 1 who is, and asks folks to indicate if they’d like to be off camera.

Starting off with Working Group Reportbacks! DA: “First, the Mayday language that DA consensed on; it’s gonna be our spring kickoff.” #nycga

Cont’d: “It’s going to come before GA next Tuesday,” want to consense on the specific language for a national call. It’ll be fun! #nycga

DA: Feb 29th, Portland’s national call to shut down corporations associated with the American Legislative exchange council. #nycga #ows

The #F29 action will start the buildup to Mayday. Announces that they’ll have an action spoke to prepare Sunday, 16 Beaver, 12-4. #nycga

DA cont’d: They’re working with Facilitation to open a broad forum to discuss “diversity of tactics” and events in Oakland. #nycga #ows

They’ll want to have that conversation Friday evening, but they haven’t secured a space yet. “We’d love to get everybody to come, every…”

Cont’d: “…working group is talking about it, everyone’s talking about it.” “I think we’re a lot closer to agreeing with each other than…”

Cont’d: “…a lot of us think we are.” Want to have a big discussion, hopes everyone comes. #nycga #ows

Facilitation’s report back: they’re working hard to get more secure Spokes spaces. For 8 weeks, Wednesday’s SC will be at 110 Schermerhorn.

.@aaronbornstein from Think Tank reports they’re grateful for the effort to structure the conversation about “diversity of tactics.” #nycga

Cont’d: Think Tank will also provide spaces for that convo. Feb 20, Yes Labs, Bill Ayers will speak abt his own personal journey re: DoT.

Bless’ report back: “I’ve got one or two things to say. I don’t care if you agree or disagree.””If you’re not here to stand for something..”

Cont’d: “…stand the fuck back.” “Whatever you do, do it smartly. And know there’s gonna be some pain behind it.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Oakland, DC. Let’s go further. Iraq. Further. We are occupation. What are we doing? Are we gonna argue, or get something done? OY!”

Kitchen: “We’re continuing to operate out of East NY; we have a volunteer roster.” “Ppl can sign up.” “Hopefully food continues to get…”

Cont’d: “…better and better, and thank you.” Everyone really cheers Kitchen. #nycga #ows

Haywood and Danielle from Accounting: “We have some concerns based on some things that have happened this week that we’d like to…”

Cont’d: “…share with all of you. It’s not our money, it’s your money.” 4 concerns. “Especially if you’ve taken money from Accounting, or..”

Cont’d: “…put your name on anything, please listen up because I’m not happy about this. This is really important.” #nycga #ows

Haywood: “#1, over the weekend, a document was published on google and on nycga that basically put anyone from October to December who…”

Cont’d: “…has taken money out of Accounting, their names and their phone #s, so a pretty serious breach of security.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “What happened is, Accounting put docs online — we respect your privacy and we don’t post names, just working groups, and we…”

Cont’d: “…sure as shit don’t post phone numbers.” Daryl got ahold of logs, posted it to Haywood took it down, Daryl posted…

Cont’d: “…it back up without the phone numbers.” Daryl is an ex-member of Finance; the only person who has been removed from Finance. #nycga

Here’s Daryl, who came running up. Haywood says he also put out other statements. “We bring this up b/c on Feb 2nd, someone tried…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…to take out $1000 in cash from our bank account. We’re going to open up a full investigation.” #nycga #ows

“We had stipulations on security on the account.” There’s only one signature that’s acceptable to the bank, so the bank blocked it. #nycga

Haywood: “Thankfully we’ve got one of the good banks;” to take money out you need two signers. “We’ll continue to be diligent about this.”

Cont’d: “I don’t want to turn this into a big thing; I’ll post something on about this.” #nycga #ows

Also, someone named Janet Wilson has been contacting the credit union and the sponsor and WePay and trying to access our accounts. #nycga

“We just wanted to make sure the community was aware of these breaches of the security that we’ve built, to be transparent.” #nycga #ows

Haywood: “So, those are our 4 announcements. I’m not happy but I wanted to bring them to the community.” #nycga #ows

Daryl wants to speak; we’ll temp check hearing him. Looks like he will speak. Stairs notes aft this ppl should follow up on own time.#nycga

Daryl: “2 things: the first thing, the contact info, I missed it. I saw a comprehensive view of how to do accounting, it makes it…”

Cont’d: “…real easy, to do all the work they say they’re doing, all you have to do is type it up and it would all be online.” #nycga #ows

Daryl says he missed the contact info and apologizes, he took it down as soon as he realized. And he took the bank statements too… #nycga

Cont’d: …in order to show it to an accounting, who Daryl says told him it looked “problematic”. #nycga #ows

Daryl is explaining that he “had reason to go look” and doesn’t apologize for any of that. #nycga #ows

Haywood: “#1, stealing people’s mail is a Federal crime.” Anthony steps in indicates we need to move on. Haywood will follow up online.

First proposal tonight is (again) dissolution of Spokescouncil, brought by Nan’s Strong Women Rules… but Nan’s not there. Tabled- next!

So, next is the Anarchism Caucus Formation Proposal! “As anarchists and political theorists we feel that our voices, ideas, and beliefs..”

Cont’d: “…have been marginalized by our comrades in the #OWS community. This caucus will be a platform and community which educates…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…informs and learns about anarchistic and alternative political theory. We seek to end the misinformation and negative…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…stereotypes associated with these political beliefs, and to draw attention to the anarchist principles already inherent in…”

Cont’d: “…our processes and community, in OWS.” They have a mission statement, which is similar to the proposal. #nycga #ows

The mission statement also includes engaging people in discussions on non-hierarchal decision-making structures. #nycga #ows

OK, we’ll stack up clarifying questions! First was about where anarchism is in #OWS. “This consensus-based model is anarchism.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “So, no one here is above anyone else, yet we’re still here getting things done.” Questioner says that cleared a lot up for him.

CQ: “Why a caucus, and not a working group?” A: “I think that our idea of doing this as a caucus vs. a WG is that our structure – we don’t..

Cont’d: “…want to be a working group or use that structure. Also, a lot of the issues that we want to be able to explore, are issues…”

Cont’d: “…that are already being explored in pre-existing caucuses, but we want to be able to create a unity amongst them b/c…”

Cont’d: “.. like, I don’t know how to explain this happening.” “We think there’s a bit of oppression happening.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “Where?” A: “In #OWS and in society at large. We’re forming to draw attention and do away w/ misconceptions re: anarchism.” #nycga

“Many ppl’s first idea of anarchy is chaos, burning things.” “You don’t think non-hierarchal, you don’t think peace, you don’t think…”

Cont’d: “…helping each other, you don’t think community. And that’s what we want to implement.” “We want to make sure we’re not vilified..”

Cont’d: “…for our beliefs.” Someone else: “I think what’s happening right now is exactly why we want a caucus. I think there’s a lot of…”

Cont’d: “…misconception about what we want to talk about and perhaps accomplish in the future.” “The point of a caucus would be…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…to open this dialogue to the larger community.” Wants to answer timely questions now, but caucus gives platform to continue disc.

Sage will give everyone 40 seconds w/ 10 second buffer. Next CQ: “Within the occupy movement, as anarchists, do you feel that you…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…are a marginalized group in this movement? As marginalized as, say, the queer caucus and color caucus?” #nycga #ows

A: “You can’t quantify how oppressed someone is.” “I think a lot of anarchist ideas automatically get shunted aside and if you say…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…you’re an anarchist, people are less apt to hear your opinions. I think that is a form of oppression.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “I still have a similar question. Caucuses are made up of ppl who can’t help what they are. A woman can’t help being a woman…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…a person of color cannot help being a PoC.” Suggests a friendly amendment: “Can you do something in between a working group…”

Cont’d: “…and a caucus so that you can help with everything you’re saying which I think is very valid and very important?” #nycag #ows

Cont’d: “By making it into a caucus, you’re minimizing the importance of the other ones.” A: “Religious is chosen and can be a source of…”

Cont’d: “…oppression. I’d say we need clarification even w/in anarchist community. I.e., I’m a religious anarchist, and I have to be…”

Cont’d: “…scrutinized for my ideas on a daily basis.” “Part of anarchism is being able to dialogue about everybody’s mindset.” #nycga #ows

Tess’ CQ is essentially how they’ll addresss issue of violence. A: “We’re about discussion and we can’t speak for the movement.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “RE: peaceful/non-violent thing. My question; can we turn this into.. a lot of ppl have a disagreement. Since we have that…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…can we be a *respectful* movement?” Feels that is what the issue ultimately comes down to. “People are going to do what they do.”

A: “That stuff relates to actions and how we employ tactics;” but this is an ideological group. “We don’t take one side or another…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…we’d just like to be able to speak inside the movement as anarchists.” “Every individual voice reps the movement.” #nycga

Lopi’s CQ: “Some caucuses, you can’t join w/o meeting certain criteria. Can anyone join the anarchist caucus?” #nycga #ows

A: “Even if you think anarchism is a plague, the scourge of the earth, we invite you to come” and discuss. They already have some… #nycga

Cont’d: …members who don’t identify as anarchist. Someone else says that anarchism basically means the rules become “whatever you can…”

Cont’d: “…get away with.” A: “That’s a legitimate point and we’re asking that our points be taken as legitimate.” Not pertinent to the prop.

OK, we’re now opening up stack for concerns and friendly amendments. First, temp checking extending time for 10 mins. Looks good. #nycga

First concern: “I’m concerned about oppressive language ppl in this movement use about our anarchist friends.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “I came into this with a Hollywood conception of anarchists and have learned a lot. I’m concerned that we need this.” #nycga #ows

Concern: “If you guys already have some rules and structures set in place that aren’t #OWS rules and structure, how can we trust you not…”

Cont’d: “…to veto rules and items that don’t go along with your structure?” A: “We will adhere to principles of solidarity. Anarchy…” #nycga

Cont’d: “Anarchy doesn’t mean no rules, it means no rulers.” Still hold selves to standards, not because of law bt because “we respect ppl.”

OK, now moving to concerns and friendly amendments. “That means we’re moving closer to consensus.” Anthony trying to bring attn back. #nycga

Guy steps up, “we don’t have any more power than anyone else does, we just want to step up.” “There’s no way we can co-opt the mvmnt…”

Cont’d: “…for anarchism. Trust me. Anarchists don’t take things over.” Someone else notes that anarchists don’t fit def of caucuses. #nycga

Joanne’s C: “I have a concern that there’s gonna be a difference in ideologies at OWS and the anarchists,” points to split in mvmnt. #nycga

Cont’d: “On that note, I’d still like to be open-minded and learn more about it.” Camille notes that many ppl have felt excluded b/c…

Cont’d: “…the movement’s not as horizontal and inclusive as it should be.” Says “diversity of tactics” applies to ideology to her. #nycga

A: “We can’t predict the future, but we feel that a lot of the practices that we use, like GAs, like process, are anarchist principles…”

Cont’d: “…we simply want a space to have extended dialogue about it.” Says that if Conservatives had subculture here they should get caucus.

C: “I’m deeply sympathetic to the goals of this proposal; I think the questions here highlight that one of the best things about #OWS will..

Cont’d: “…be to rehabilitate anarchist ideas and tactics.” But feels that this opens up slippery slope about what a Caucus is. #nycga #ows

Notes that Cacuses get special powers in Spokescouncil. His friendly amendment was that they become a reading group or something else.#nycga

Also shouts out that Spokescouncil is also an anarchist model. The proposers will consider the amendment. #nycga #ows

A: “We want to continue being a caucus. Just judging from ppl’s responses.. this GA has proven why we need to be a caucus.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Because ppl believe in these negative stereotypes, and many of them have come out in this meeting.” Someone notes that… #nycga

Cont’d: …people don’t just talk about beliefs, “they act on them.” Nods to Sacco and Vanzetti. “People die for these beliefs.” #nycga

Someone else proposes that instead of being a caucus, they should be an affinity group. Notes that if Nazis showed up… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: …they might want to form a caucus too. “I respect that you want to have this group and these discussions; I’m with the Library.”

Cont’d: “The Library provides info to people; we’re not a caucus. Please be an affinity group.” A: “Nazis don’t adhere to principles of…”

Cont’d: “…solidarity.” And also he doesn’t think anyone is going to oppress the Library. #nycga #ows

PoI: “Books do get burned and thrown out; Librarians can become marginalized.” #nycga #ows

Melanie’s been wanting to find more about anarchists. “Up until recently, if you’d asked me, I’d have said “no, no rules? b/c I’m…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…a teacher.” Respects what they’re trying to do. But as a member of a caucus who’s “truly oppressed, to the actual extent of…”

Cont’d: “…violence against us in the movement. If you are a caucus, it will diminish the meaning of other caucuses.” #nycga #ows

Melanie’s friendly amendment is that they find something between caucus and affinity group, so they don’t blur ideas of oppression.

Camille responds. “The verbal violence in this movement has gotten out of control; I’m having a difficult time showing up.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Part of what we hope will happen if we are a caucus is we will stand with existing caucuses.” #nycga #ows

Joseph: “We have to further look at the idea of anarchy as a possible helpful tool.” #nycga #ows

Marisa: “I’m an anarchist, of the collectivist communist variety.” Wants to have this conversation around this movement. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “This assembly and other conversations” indicate a lack of understanding of “what we’re actually doing in this community.”

Cont’d: “All of this — GA, working groups, standards — is rooted in anarchism.” “All this practice w/o a lot of understanding of theory.”

Marisa thinks “it’s important to distinguish between a political caucus and identity caucus.” Slippery slope if we allow political.. #nycga

Cont’d: “…caucuses to exist.” Points to political parties in our current system and what happens. #nycga #ows

Proposers: “We respect consensus and this community.” If GA doesn’t pass as caucus, will change name, but will continue to organize. #nycga

Lopi: “First of all, I don’t ID as anything but a two-legger, but ideology aside, I’ve a concern that we’re not acknowledging that…” #nycga

Cont’d “…anarchism is marginalized in society; it’s the new terrorism.” Supports the work of this group, caucus or not. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “It’s so evident that this is so needed.” Is cool with whatever community decides it will be. #nycga #ows

A is that if they’re able to be caucus, part of #OWS, people in #OWS and outside will better make connection between #OWS and anarchism.

“If we wanted to separate ourselves from the movement, we wouldn’t be trying to be an #OWS caucus.” #nycga #ows

C: “I want ppl to listen to definition of what a caucus is.” It’s about marginalization; feels this would corrupt that meaning. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “I’m also concerned about consensus,” and feels that people who ID as anarchist have disrupted it. [Mmmmmm…. -Ed.] #nycga

A: “None of us are here to disrupt; we’re here to participate. We love this movement.” Everyone proposing this has been here since Day 1.

Cont’d: “We respect consensus 100%. It’s things like that, that people have been shouting terrorist in my ear” during this convo. [! -Ed.]

Nicole: “I think you should exist, do work you’re doing, but calling it a caucus is fucking insensitive and de-legitimizes the…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…the marginalization of people of color and women in this movement.” “This is what marginalization looks like, and to call…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…yourself a caucus? I’m incensed. I’ve never been so angry. This disrespects what it means to be truly marginalized.” #nycga #ows

A: “We don’t want to minimize how anyone else feels,” or the importance of the other caucuses. #nycga #ows

PoI: “We had a part time caucus during our occupation,” to rep folks who were involved part time. Someone pts out it was a working group.

C: “There are not clear borders to this group. What you call anarchist is a mutable thing; a caucus” needs to pertain to things w/ borders.

Cont’d: “It doesn’t have clear borders to it, so it can’t be a caucus.” Think the proposers are discussing what to do next. #nycga #ows

A: “We’ve all expressed understanding with the concerns that were brought up,” but consensed not to accept any friendly amendments. #nycga

The proposers are restating the proposal: an anarchism caucus that advocates anarchist theory and “to end the negative stereotypes” about it

Stairs now temperature checking the GA about whether they want to move into consensus process. Looks positive. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “At this point of time, I’d like to ask if there are any standasides.” That means they won’t block it, but can’t support it. #nycga

Stairs: “There are 9 standasides to this proposal.” Asks for permission to skip ppl speaking to them due to time constraints. Warm response.

Stairs now asking for blocks. “Blocks are serious moral, ethical, or safety concerns”- if it passed, you’d leave the movement. #nycga #ows

There are 10 blocks. Stairs will give each block 30 seconds tops to explain grievances to the proposers. #nycga #ows

Many blocks passing on explaining them because the concerns have been expressed. The fifth block: “I think they should do a teach-in…”

Cont’d: “..and inform people, and then we can have another vote about whether they should be a caucus.” Proposes as friendly amndmnt. #nycsc

Nicole: “I just want to point out to you that those who felt strongly enough to block were all women and 4 PoC.” #nycga #ows

The proposers accept the friendly amendment. The proposal is tabled, will continue convo at Occupy Town Square this weekend. #nycga #ows

Stairs invites proposers to speak to GA before leaving. “We love you! We love all of you, regardless of the outcome.” #nycga #ows

Next proposal is from a breakout group of Kitchen! It’s to apply for a permit to have “Occupalooza” in Central Park in August. Wow. #nycga

Here’s the Kitchen proposal for Occupalooza: #nycga #ows

Proposer says there is legal precedent that should make it impossible for them to decline the permit. #nycga #ows

Proposer feels like the event could help get “the 58%” middle class folks like her. She feels she’s unsafe from repression just going to GA.

“We can use this event as a springboard” for even larger events in the fall or around the world. #nycga #ows

The proposers intend to do all the fundraising for the event on their own; they just want our solidarity and to do our thing there. #nycga

CQ: “Why the 18th, not the 17th” of August? A: “It’s a Saturday.” Feel if we plan it in advance we can get European tourists. #nycga #ows

RE: August 18th, Saturday, “People work.” They want working ppl to be able to go. “We need the ppl who are off work, students…” #nycga

Someone asks if others have done this recently, answer is that last year or the year before there was a 68,000 person event on Great Lawn.

CQ: “When you apply for a permit, do you have to do safety studies, traffic, environmental concerns, reseeding of grass?” #nycga #ows

A: “Submitting the form is $25, it takes a few weeks to get back.” The policy is to work w/ people on venue, feel we have right to do this.

Proposer also wants legal’s help to determine the exact legal sitch, and they know they have to coordinate lots of logistics for big show.

Proposer: “We hope they’ll look at the permit app and go, “oh, shit, what the fuck are we going to do about that?” #nycga #ows

PoI: “In 1968,” there was something in Central Park that 400,000 ppl came to. “16 people put it on.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “I love the idea of being in Central Park, but I think you need to think a little bit more” about the staging and bands. “I think…”

Cont’d: “ becomes a different thing. The Occupy sensibility is about us coming together, talking, doing working groups.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “I’m not opposed to it, but I think it’s worth asking whether a concert is in line with” principles of #OWS. #nycga #ows

A: “It’s about Outreach;” want to bring musicians’ draw to Central Park. “They want to come see you, and also to see us.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We want this to be a festive environment. This is about occupying and celebrating together.” #nycga #ows

Another proposer answers: “I think part of putting in application and permits is an action in and of itself.” “Saying, yo, you can’t…”

Cont’d: “..stop us from having a concert.” And if they try, gives us more action opportunities. And we can have picnic instead. #nycga #ows

Stairs clarifies the proposal. “This is about whether they can apply for the permit and start the ball rolling for this.” #nycga #ows

Stairs now opening stack for concerns and friendly amendments. C/FA: “This runs the risk of turning into an awesome event but that..” #nycga

Cont’d: “..also kind of gets folded into a kind of capitalistic, oh, let’s spend $ and buy some funnel cake kind of thing.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “There’s going to be ppl who try to make $ off of this, and I hope you’ll keep that in mind as you get to next steps, and not…”

Cont’d: “…let it turn into an event that gets co-opted in any way.” A: “They’re already trying to co-opt us, make $ off us. This is…”

Cont’d: “..going to be a teach-in, a coming together.” Will be free, will provide as much free food as we can. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “The hangers-on will be hanging on.” Feels we can’t do anything about it. #nycga #ows

Next C: “Do you know if they have anything scheduled in that area during that time?” A: “AFAICT, there’s nothing scheduled that day.” #nycga

Jeff suggests maybe if someone else wants to do it with us, they can apply and we can save some of the hassle. #nycga #ows

A: “Part of this is putting in the application, getting the ball rolling.” If they approve it, they can go forward. #nycga #ows

Someone asks if they’ll have ppl selling it. “We might have food vendors,” “maybe Ben and Jerry’s can make us a flavor for the day.” #nycga

OK, that was it. Proposers will restate. “It’s pretty simple: to remit an application to the NYC Parks Dept for a permit to hold…” #nycga

Cont’d: “ all-day expo and free concert called Occupalooza.” “Will have music and spoken word from the stage and” outreach. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “And, at no cost to the application.” Stairs temp checks moving forward. “Sweet.” Any standasides? No. Blocks? No! CONSENSUS! #nycga

Cheers! @shawncarrie and many others are dancing! #nycga #ows

Stairs notes we have limited time for another proposal here at 60 Wall; moves we go to Park and continue. “Looks pretty mixed.” #nycga #ows

Stairs: “Who’d like to go to the park?” Mmm. I don’t think so. #nycga #ows

The last proposal is a question to community about Ellis Roberts, suggesting that #OWS help him with his commissary fund. #nycga #ows

It’s about the principle more generally though: does #OWS assist folks who end up in longer-term detention, like Ellis at Riker’s island?

Here’s the text of the proposal: “He’s arrested on and facing completely erroneous charges.” #nycga #ows

The proposer suggests that we allot a monthly amount of $220 to his commissary, “to buy food and make phone calls.” #nycga #ows

“His family is primarily in Florida and Pennsylvania.” Want to make sure solidarity does not end after a comrade is detained. #nycga #ows

Stairs nods to spending freeze, says that since the proposal pertains to someone who is in jail, question is whether part of bail fund…

Cont’d: …can go to commissary. Camille, who helped w/ bail fund proposal, notes that including legal fees & other costs was declined by GA.

Stairs suggests that we breakout and chat about this on the way to continuing the conversation at the park. #nycga #ows

Shawn’s PoP: “They haven’t kicked us out yet; I don’t know if we need to move until they tell us to move.” #nycga #ows

141120631 – Robert Nilon’s commissary fund, if anyone wants to help him out by putting money into that. #nycga #ows

GA will be in recess while folks move from 60 Wall to Liberty Square. Back in a bit. #nycga #ows

Proposal for Commissary: Passed by Modified Consensus #ows #nycga

Tweets for Mon, 06 Feb 2012

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Hey fam! We are live at the #NYCSC.

Reportbacks: Occupy Farms: If you want to get your hands dirty, get out of the city, contact us! #nycsc #ows

Reportback: Outreach: Explaining how ComHub and InfoHub merged before the eviction but have realized have different goals. #nycsc #ows

Outreach saying InfoHub will now be “Occupy Information” and ComHub will split off. #nycsc #ows

Outreach: We are having an Occupy Town Square on Feb. 11, after the success of the Town Square at Washington Square Park. 1-5 at 86th Street

Now, first proposal: From Women Occupying Wall Street (WOW.) #nycsc #ows

The WOW proposal: #nycsc #ows

Breakout for spokes to discuss among themselves the WOW proposal.

Melanie, repping WOW: The idea is we make this decision together.

Now taking clarifying questions about the WOW proposal.

WOW: There is a lot of dialogue happening with other groups. The idea is for this to come from all of us.

DAP: We’re wondering why we don’t spend time talking about his every other Friday, like we’re supposed to.

WOW: The idea is this works with that, but the proposal is to do this in addition to those meetings.

DAP: Why do you feel we need to spend times at our meetings doing this instead of meetings specifically for that?

WOW: We spend a lot of time at our meetings dealing with this. We are being asked to only talk about business …

WOW: There’s no space for us to talk about emotion.

New CQ: What is the goal? What is the objective? #nycsc #ows

WOW: I think us coming up with it [a grievance council] as a community, will make us feel better about it. #nycsc #ows

David (Facilitation): A suggestion, we do this week-by-week, and evaluate as we go. #nycsc #ows

Stairs (Negesti): That sounds like a friendly amendment, so please wait for that time.

New CQ: Have there been discussions with Safer Spaces about having a Grievance Council more often?

WOW: I’m not asking for a Grievance Council, I’m asking for us to come to one.

CQ: Do you understand there is a Grievance Council currently?

WOW: We should ask the group, because I am not aware that we have one.

WOW: Please, enlighten me, because if there is a Grievance Council, how do we come to it if we don’t know it exists?

Stairs asking to cut down the side conversations.

CQ from Minutes: What is the difference between a Grievance Council and Open Spaces?

WOW: We wouldn’t be waiting for a weekly Grievance Council meeting, and wouldn’t have to go to Open Spaces to talk about it.

WOW: It wouldn’t be another meeting we have to go to, another Google group, but we’d discuss it here.

CQ from Accounting: Is there there/what groups exist currently to discuss grievances b/w people and groups in #OWS?

Stairs: There’s a way to discuss this, it’s through points of information.

Discussion between stairs and someone who is not a spoke.

POI from Sage: We have mediation, Safer Spaces, 3 or 4 working groups like gossip …

Stairs (Negesti) seeing a lot of emotion and wants to take a moment to work it out, take a deep breath.

POI from Safer Spaces: The Open Spaces is only every other week. We have been holding Grievance Circles on the off-Fridays.

WOW: If there is indeed a functioning Grievance Circle happening, why does the community not know about it? #nycsc #ows

Stairs trying to stop the back-and-forth between Melanie from WOW and Sage. #nycsc #ows

WOW: I’ve been to the Friday meetings and the Community Agreements were worked on … it took 3 months for them to come to us. #nycsc #ows

WOW:… we still have not agreed on the Community Agreements. I feel it’s because we still don’t have community buy-in. #nycsc #ows

Melanie seems willing to table this proposal. Negesti encourages her to speak with her group. #nycsc #ows

Ravi jumps in to further explain the idea behind this proposal. #nycsc #ows

WOW from Ravi: We will table this if the Safer Spaces Grievance Council proposal is moving along.

Stairs asks if anyone has information on how the Grievance Council is progressing. #nycsc #ows

POI: This process takes a long time, and instead of divergent tracks, I’d like to integrate this into the work that’s happening.

Stairs: Ok, we are not going to table this. We are going to continue with stack.

Sage offers Facilitation feedback and Stairs says this is not the time for that. [Btw, “Stairs” = Facilitators]

Proposers discussing what they want to do.

@emst, as Stairs, announces proposers have decided to table the proposal from WOW.

Stairs: The space has asked that we respect this is a church that we are in.

Sorry, there are disruptions and it’s not clear what’s going on.

Sean just asked someone not to call the facilitator “sweetheart” when we were just listening to the Women’s Caucus.

Lots of commotion around Sage confronting Negesti (stairs).

Now, Jose from Medics Street Team. Says their budget required them to come back at 4 weeks and do a report.

… Even though it never made it into the minutes. Out of their own transparency, they are here.

All their expenses are on in past proposals, and their full budget is on

Jose now detailing Street Medics budget. Evenly spent on supplies, Metrocards, patient transport, and food. #nycsc #ows

Jose from Street Medics say they often pay just for a sandwich for patients, because many patients can’t even afford that. #nycsc #ows

Jose from Medics explaining that people have gone to various trainings around the East Coast and used money on jail support.

Jose from Medics: Wants to get feedback about budget and wonders about how his WG doesn’t get Metrocards.

Jose from Medics: Would like group to authorize them getting money in a lump sum every month, not have to come back to SC all the time.

Jose from Medics: Another reason for a monthly budget is if we don’t use money in a week, we lose it. Want to plan larger scale.

Starting stack for questions about their budget. Stairs clarifying if he wants a formal budget proposal.

Jose just wants feedback from people, not necessarily a proposal.

Kitchen: It seems like you spend a lot on transportation. Would it be helpful if there was a WG or someone with cheaper transportation?

Street Medics: Definitely. It would be helpful if there were someone within OWS with a van or something. We also need emergency transport.

Direct Action CQ: It would be helpful if we could know your needs. #nycsc #ows

Street Medics: Food, a convergence space–a place to prepare herbal medicine, to rest, to come together– and transport.

Direct Action: Are these things you are adding on to the budget?

Street Medics: We have enough money for now, these are not on top of what we are already spending on.

Structure: Is it possible we can change whatever rule is preventing you guys from getting Metrocards?

Structure: And how is the loss of the Office affecting you guys?

Street Medics: We have clinics at Charlotte’s place. We try to Dumpster and support local farms.

DAP: If you want to donate food to you, how do we do so?

Street Medics:

Street Medics asking to get Metrocards and to get their budgeted money a month at a time. #nycsc #ows

Spokes now conferring on this proposal. #nycsc #ows

Opening stack on clarifying questions about the Street Medics proposal. #nycsc #ows

Sorry, Stairs clarifies it’s “feedback,” not clarifying questions.

Town Planning: Wants that this budget for the future be properly resubmitted, and transportation expenses detailed.

Outreach: Our concern is about getting the money monthly, in part because having such a large sum of money per month = not a good idea.

Street Medics: The biggest concern is there are often large expenses that come up not very regularly. …#nycsc #ows

Street Medics: And we are operating on “use it or lose it” budgeting, which doesn’t work for us. #nycsc #ows

Street Medics: It’s not that we want to withdraw that money all at once, but we have access to it.

Stack is closed so moving on to proposal from Class War. #nycsc #ows

Class War: Proposal is to 1) make it so that both operation and movement groups have voice in the Spokes Council. #nycsc #ows

Class War: 2) To clarify the difference between an operational and a movement group. #nycsc #ows

The full proposal from Class War: #nycsc #ows

Getting POPs from people confused about why we moved off from Medics proposal so quickly.

CQ: What are you asking this body to do? #nycsc #ows

Class War: Change the way this body operates and how working groups are defined.

Someone brings up that they wanted to talk about violence versus nonviolence on the agenda. #nycsc #ows

Proposer says he just talked to someone doing his proposal but better, so is tabling. #nycsc #ows

Apparently Women Occupying Nations had a proposal up tonight, but didn’t show. #nycsc #ows

Now, Lopi, representing DAP, bringing discussion about violence. #nycsc #ows

DAP: Earlier tonight on WBAI some people representing OWS said we do not stand for nonviolence. #nycsc #ows

DAP: If you look on NYCGA website, under Principles of Solidarity, it clearly says we are a nonviolent movement. #nycsc #ows

DAP: Is now reading from the Statement of Autonomy. #nycsc #ows

Stairs trying to facilitate discussion. Suggests smaller breakout groups. Lopi says she is just bringing topic for discussion. #nycsc #ows

Stairs clarifies that we are going to start having conversation about violence. [Ed: Only 20 mins left; not enough time for this convo.]

DAP, Lopi, trying to clarify her position. Some people start yelling. #nycsc #ows

Stairs temp checks on getting into breakout groups. Looks negative. #nycsc #ows

So, no breakout groups. Opening stack on discussing this. #nycsc #ows

Direct Action: “Never has it passed in GA that the words ‘We are a nonviolent movement’ have been consensed upon.” #nycsc #ows

Direct Action: People are not saying we are a violent movement, just that we are not necessarily nonviolent.

Direct Action: It would be hypocritical for us to think that nonviolence is the only way for us to get our word out.

Direct Action references other global movements, Egypt, etc. to try to prove violence is sometimes necessary.

Town Planning (Robert): Says he doesn’t want to be in any movement that uses violence. Reads from Principles of Solidarity. #nycsc #ows

New speaker: People treat violence and nonviolence as if they are black and white, and they are not. #nycsc #ows

Same speaker: Is destruction violence? Is pacifism violence? #nycsc #ows

Solidarity: I think what Lopi was trying to say is how are we defining violence? We had this discussion about ppl throwing …

…beer bottles at police officers’ heads. We need to be clear about where the line is. #nycsc #ows

Solidarity: I think at some point a line needs to be drawn, that we say, “This is not what we stand for.” #nycsc #ows

Think Tank: I talk to a lot of people in the park outside the movement and the perception is if we say we are not a nonviolent movement …

… people would stop supporting us. #nycsc #ows

WOW (Melanie): If we chant we are a nonviolent movement but still have these small factions that are violent …

… I wouldn’t feel grateful if you’re throwing bottles next to me. I don’t want to be a shield. Don’t pretend you’re part of this movement.

DAP (Lopi) espousing the merits of nonviolence.

DAP (Lopi): I am all for direct action! I am all about that shit! But I’m not ready to say we don’t embrace nonviolence.

Accounting: I’m speaking for myself. But we have defined violence six different ways in this conversation. …

Accounting: Do we only stand in solidarity if I agree with your tactics? This is a question we all need to ask ourselves. #nycsc #ows

A little bit of a disruption.

Facilitation: The last 10 years ppl have been talking about diversity of tactics, which really means light property destruction ..

… not violence and not heavy property destruction. We should have conversations about what’s strategic and not. …

… I want to caution us that a lot of our friends have done years in jail for *talking* about property destruction. So be cognizant of that

Outreach (Ravi): Come and join us, let’s have these discussions. #nycsc #ows

OWS en Espanol: In America, we have plenty of firsthand experience with this. Violence is not cute. #nycsc #ows

OWS en Espanol: My father was tortured to death. That was violence. It affected my family. …#nycsc #ows

New speaker: There’s not a lot of people in #OWS who are throwing bottles at people’s heads. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: Let’s stop saying there are elements within DA and within #OWS who think it’s okay to throw bottles at people. [much dissent]

Cont’d: It was individuals, individuals who are not in working groups, who are not here for this conversation. …

Cont’d: That being said, I would get between you if you are turning someone over to the police. [more disruptions and crosstalk]

Safer Spaces: This conversation has been about the actions we do and if they are violent or nonviolent, but history has shown that …

… we have been violent within the movement. Like these Councils, we have had a lot of violence. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: I don’t know how we come off as nonviolent to the media when we have this going on here. #nycsc #ows

WOW (Melanie) points out a press release (?) that cites using “any means necessary.” #nycsc #ows

WOW: Thinks this is a solidarity document that was approved by GA.

Now some discussion about an individual taking pictures and if that’s okay. #nycsc #ows

Some calls to make the photographer delete his pics. [Ed: It’s a public, open meeting.] #nycsc #ows

Structure (Calvin) starting to talk but is being talked over.

David from Facilitation suggests we continue talking about this at Open Spaces on Friday.

That’s it, fam. Thanks for reading the tweets. This has been @CarrieM213 live tweeting another #OWS Spokes Council. Much love. #nycsc

Tweets for Sat, 04 Feb 2012

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Hi fam! We’re starting General Assembly here on Wall Street. Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4! #nycga #ows

.@shawncarrie and @cmariedaniel are our facilitators tonight! We’ll call them “Stairs” for short. #nycga #ows

They’re reviewing our handsignals, which we use to communicate non-verbally so as to leave room for voices to be heard. #nycga #ows

First, signals for expressing feeling: uptwinkles: I agree, midtwinkles: I’m not sure, downtwinkles: I don’t agree / don’t like it. #nycga

If people have a point of information to add relevant to the current discussion, they can put up one finger to let facilitators know. #nycga

Secondly, a point of process is made with two hands in a triangle: / _ \ This says “we’re off process and I’d like to guide us back.” #nycga

Finally, if you have a block during the end of the process when we check for consensus, cross your arms. A block is a “serious moral…”

Cont’d: “…ethical, or safety concern that is so severe that if your block were overruled you may need to leave the movement.” #nycga #ows

Those signals will appear as we move thru the GA process. Also, if folks speak too long, you can gently use a spinning-hands signal.#nycga

The first proposal tonight regards a call to action in response to the suppression of the #Occupy movement. First, working groups report.

First, Jeff, Minutes WG! “The minutes working group has made some changes to the way we do things in order to better serve the needs…”

Cont’d: “…of the GA, the Spokescouncil, and all working groups, and want to let everyone know in the spirit of transparency.” #nycga

Cont’d; “In the past, Minutes has tried to create verbatim transcripts of each meeting. This is a lot of work and has resulted in delays..”

Cont’d: “…before minutes were posted, which inconvenienced working groups and made our movement less transparent.” #nycga #ows

Minutes will now post notes on results of process, rather than transcripts, by 24 hours after the end of the meeting. They’ll invite..

Cont’d: …folks to use audio recordings of meetings posted on to create full transcripts. #nycga #ows

They’ll also try to help working groups take good minutes. “Any questions or concerns please contact us: 9178305315.”

Next, Anthony, Class War Working Group. “We’re going to be working on an action for March 31st in solidarity w/ an action that’s going…”

Cont’d: “…to go on in Europe; will contact radical groups in other cities.” Meet Wednesdays at 5; check for locations. #nycga

Next, Aventos: “I have just 1 suggestion here; a PoI, which is this: the PoP sign reminds ppl of the Illuminati.” Asks us to make a new 1.

Shawn replies, noting that the PoP signal in Boston is two fingers pointed together horizontally. He’ll recognize either. #nycga #ows

Street Medics remind us to get in touch with them before actions so they can easily be there! #nycga #ows

Next, Shazz is autonomously calling for a meeting to reform “how we handle money at Occupy Wall Street”. Notes he has December bank stmnts.

Cont’d: “We can talk about spending $ in this movement more transparently.” Need many ppl who care about issue and #OWS. 6pm, Mon, 60 Wall.

Next, Trish. “I’m with the NYCGA Council! It’s a GA working group. We have 3 things we’re working on, successful at 2…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…one was related to a proposal to remove an individual from the GA process. We prevented that from appearing.” [Huh? -Ed.] #nycga

Trish: “We will continue to uphold the integrity of the New York City General Assembly.” Now on to the first proposal! #nycga #ows

Stairs: “We’ll start with 20 minutes for this proposal.” Proposer, Sam! “I’m with the — we’re not really a working group, we’re just…”

Cont’d: “…a committee that’s gotten together to address the coordinated suppression of all the Occupy movements.” #nycga #ows

“We’re attempting to bring together a call to action to address these concerns. The past 2 months have witnessed something very…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…different in the US. People of all different walks of life came together to address the issues of the US.” “Our basic message..”

Cont’d: “…came through” evn admist suppression. Proposer: “Tht was from the call for mass action to protest the suppression of the mvmnt.”

Cont’d: “Even admist the good things people are doing across the country in this movement,” brutal suppression goes on. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “This is a proposal for the #OWS GA to support a call for mass action against the suppression, and a day of mass action…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…organized by the people who came together around this call.” “The press has told ppl this is over- we need to call…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…to those millions of people, for one day of mass action and then going forward together.” #nycga #ows

Someone from Stop Stop and Frisk is here, saying that “many in this movement” have come to recognize injustices familiar to him. #nycga #ows

“All this violence and the beatings- unnecessary. For a non-violent movement, unacceptable.” Need to bring everyone else in to stand w/ us.

Someone else was arrested N17 ” and was glad to do it. I’m with this group because I saw my brothers and sisters slammed on the ground…”

Cont’d: “…there’s no reason for that. They gave themselves up for arrest and were slammed on the ground.” “I’m angry…they’re slamming..”

Cont’d: “…their hammers on our fingers.” Notes that they prevent our actions with brutality. “My neighbors don’t know much about #OWS..”

Cont’d: “..but they’re sympathetic. But what really gets them frosted is when they see brutalities against #OWS.” “Americans get…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…real angry when they see a raw deal being done against innocent people. And that’s where we are now.” #nycga #ows

Proposer: “Most of America don’t know the response against non-violent people.” CNN called it “tension in Oakland” last weekend. #nycga

So, again the proposal, is to support this call for mass action, and to organize a day of mass action here. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “We’ll start with clarifying questions to be sure the proposal is completely clear to you guys.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Next, we’ll hear concerns from the group about things that might have you wavering on this proposal.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Then, we’ll hear friendly amendments to resolve concerns and move towards consensus.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “Then, we’ll ask for standasides and blocks and check for consensus on the proposal.” #nycga #ows

Nan’s CQ: “You should have given the GA a chance to read this. And have you gone to DA about this?” #nycga #ows

A: “We’re going to direct action tomorrow with this. We’ve been to GAs 2 or 3 times to pass this out and emailed it like crazy.” #nycga #ows

CQ, Jack: “That incident that happened in Oakland- they pulled out that beautiful flag and burnt it? Was that good or bad?” #nycga #ows

Jack answers the question on his own. “That was bad. We don’t burn flags.” Stairs notes that this isn’t related to this particular proposal.

Sage says that Jack is asking the question of how we feel abt “violent action.” Proposer clarifies they’re calling for “non-violent action”.

Proposer doesn’t know anything about what may or may not have happened in Oakland. #nycga #ows

Sage: “You’re asking us to stand in solidarity w/ the #occupiers in Oakland, right? Against the oppression of the #occupy movement?” #nycga

A: “On Nov 17th, this wasn’t about Oakland, it was right here.” We were “evicted violently.” “We’ve seen the violent repression first-hand.”

A: “We’re non-violent protesters. We have the right to speak our mind and do so in a safe environment. The violence is being brought to us.”

CQ: “I see a lot abt what you wnt to accomplish and the reason you wnt to accomplish it, but I don’t see wht the mechanism is going to be.”

CQ cont’d: “Is this going to be a standing rally, or are we taking baseball bats to a precinct?” Wants tactical clarity. #nycga #ows

Someone interjects, noting he’s a vet and would have left the movement but knows that some people will do some “nutsy” things. #nycga #ows

“We want to make a statement and disperse. Not to be provocative, but we want to bring attention to the brutalities that come to us…”

Cont’d: “…when we’re minding our own business using our own civil rights. It’s a very good question, thank you.” #nycga #ows

Stairs notes there are 10 minutes left. Angela, DC: “I know at McPherson they were tossed this weekend; didn’t see news today. Regarding..”

Cont’d: “…what’s going on here, I see signatures all over, calling for February 27th movement here in New York? And continuing May 1st?”

Cont’d: “Is there communication w/ other cities for the 27th?” A: “This mobilization should mostly be here in New York,” other places too

Cont’d: “We’re going to make an attempt to get to as many GAs as we can in the next week” for actions that day or shortly thereafter. #nycga

OK, concerns. Chris: “My concern is, this being a peaceful action, how do we control the ones that are among us that won’t take this…”

Cont’d: “…as a peaceful action? How are we going to control, whereas this is peaceful?” #nycga #ows

A: We’re nonviolent; these are ancillary people. #nycga #ows

Chris is pressing them about this. “How do we as people address this? If we come in peace, how do we address the ones who aren’t?” #nycga

One more clarifying question. Chepe! “So, I had 2 quick Qs: one was, didn’t hear if y’all had gone to the sub-working group of the…”

Cont’d: “…legal working group, the anti-repression committee? And how and by whom was this written?” #nycga #ows

A: “No, we have not gone to the committee.” “An earlier draft was brought to them, we’d been discussing it with them, but..” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…they haven’t influenced the call. They know about it, and they know the date. But hasn’t been consented to by them.” #nycga #ows

We’re at time on this discussion; Stairs calls for a temperature check on 10 more minutes. Mostly uptwinkles; we’ll continue. #nycga #ows

First concern: @shushugah. “I know this document has come from the Revolutionary Community Party, and I agree w/ it but worry about…”

Cont’d: “…the intentions of this proposal, whether they are co-optive or want to influence the movement.” #nycga #ows

They decline to respond to tht. Anthony starts to congrat thm for not doing it through DA; “not every action should be brought thru them.”

First response: “This call was published in Revolutionary Newspaper as a gift to the movement.” Since, taken up by many others. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We can’t keep up with all the ppl who are endorsing this thing. This was put forward in Revolution Newspaper b/c some ppl…”

Cont’d: “…thought this is what needs to happen.” Want to open up discussion and stand up for the movement. “If you want, and we want…”

Cont’d: “…this movement not to be suppressed, to beat back the suppression by police, we need to call on the people.” #nycga #ows

Lady’s concern: “How to do it? How this action will be presented? How to do it in a positive way and get positive feedback in the news?”

My concern was that they should speak to DA first, because it would change the stakeholders who’d be in attendance for the proposal. #nycga

I also noted that the conversation about non-violence is concernedly alarmist. “People are acting like there’s a violence problem here…”

Cont’d: “…and I just don’t see it. There were isolated incidents last week for the *first time*. We’ve done a great job staying peaceful.”

To respond to Lady, proposers note that the media will do whatever they want; if we can get numbers out, that speaks for itself. #nycga #ows

Nan’s concern: “You say this is a call for mass action against the Suppression of the Occupy Movement.” But she feels that before… #nycga

Cont’d: …we deal with suppression against the movement, we should deal with oppression in the movement first. Says people are being…

Cont’d: …oppressed by individuals and working groups in this movement. #nycga #ows

Darrel’s concerns/FA: “One, I understand there’s been negative portrayals in the media. But largely, the action’s huge, but how…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…it’s perceived is the real war. I want to know that in the time between now and then that you’ll be working with media to…”

Cont’d: “…build a message about police brutality- a narrative.” Wants videos, data, info posted ahead of the event. #nycga #ows

Darrel points out “now you know what it is to be black in America.” The stuff we see in #Occupy is “the same stuff we see in the Bronx…”

Cont’d: “…and in Brooklyn every day.” Proposes that something about that be added into the proposal to acknowledge this truth. #nycga #ows

A: “These are things we’ve been working on. 1, we’ve been talking to a human rights attorney who wants to document the repression..”

Cont’d: …and also media people to help get the messaging right. Trish’s concern is next. #nycga #ows

Trish: “This movement is so multi-faceted. We have so many sections, so many ppl, so many aspirations and goals…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “..and what we’re finding now in 2012 is there are too many people who want to use the name Occupy Wall Street.” #nycga #ows

Trish then went into a factually incorrect rant about the Spokescouncil and how it authorizes direct actions. [It doesn’t. -Ed.] #nycga #ows

That’s it for the additional 10 minutes of this proposal. Temp checking extending for an additional 10? OK. Now friendly amendments. #nycga

Lady’s FA: “On that day, we occupy Zuccotti Park in the fullest of numbers.” A: “No, because that is arrestable.” Don’t want… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: ask people to risk arrest. “We will march there, but to occupy…” #nycga #ows

Chris’ FA is to insist that we need to have some kind of accountability between protesters. #nycga #ows

A: “We’re a non-violent movement to begin with.” They will plan and organize a non-violent march, they repeat again. #nycga #ows

FA: “In the interest of clarity, unless you’re accusing other movements, you should call it Occupy Wall Street.” #nycga #ows

She also wanted to add “nonviolent” to the call; they accept that but decline to include Occupy Wall Street vs Occupy in the titlle. #nycga

Sage’s FA: “Occupying does not mean showing up and getting your butt arrested and kicked out of a space. It means standing in a park…”

Cont’d: “…for 12 hours, and you have an umbrella and clothes, and then you switch with your buddy.” Sage indicates that if they… #nycga

Cont’d: …don’t support or understand the full meaning of Occupation, he won’t participate in this resolution. #nycga #ows

Sage clarifies, points out that when we made Spokescouncil, there was no special mention of the camp because we took it for granted. #nycga

Cont’d: “…can once again be out in the street, calling attention to these questions.” Proposers decline the amendment. #nycga #ows

He’s frustrated that we haven’t re-occupied, blames those who don’t want to connect with homeless people. #nycga #ows

Sage: “All I ask is that the name of the brand stays in touch with what the brand means. And the name Occupy means to occupy.” #nycga

A: “We’re calling for thousands of people to come to the streets against the suppression of the Occupy movement, so that this movement..”

Nan’s FA. “My friendly amendment is my concern that you guys basically blew off. I feel this way, and my feeling will remain, and as…”

Cont’d: “…an individual in front of the GA body, if you’re calling for mass actions against suppression of #Occupy, there are lots…”

Cont’d: “…of people who’ve been marginalized or suppressed in this movement.” Before we do anything else, need to fix house. #nycga #ows

Cont’d; “I cannot put my vote into this action when I know there’s corruption and suppression, marginalization and evil in this movement.”

Nan wants them to add some kind of statement about this to the call to action. Proposers are deliberating. #nycga #ows

A: “Two points: we’ll take your concerns to the next ad-hoc meeting against the suppression of the Occupy movement, and two…” #nycga

Cont’d: “.. I want to read something in here: this should most of all be in New York, where the movement started.” Mmm. #nycga #ows

I made a friendly amendment that they take this proposal to direct action tomorrow because that’s how we plan actions. #nycga #ows

The proposers answer that it’s “irrelevant” and they don’t need the support of DA. They want to talk to DA after the fact. #nycga #ows

They decline the friendly amendment. Anthony’s PoI: “DA is not endorsing things anymore and is encouraging autonomous action.” #nycga

Next FA: “Come back with a plan of action.” A march is not an action against suppression. #nycga #ows

A: “This is the plan, and then you tell me if you need more clarification. The plan is to gather at Union Square on the 27th, rally at 5pm.”

Cont’d: “…and then have a non-violent rally and march.” OK, we’re going through consensus. Temp check is warm. #nycga #ows

Restating proposal. “This is a proposal for the GA of OWS to support a call to mass action against the supression of the #Occupy movement..”

Cont’d: “…and a day of mass action on February 28th.” Amndmnts are to put nonviolence in title, make effort to address media positively.

Stairs: “That’s the proposal; now we’re going to move into the actual decision-making process.” First, will ask for standasides… #nycga

No standasides, which would indicate disagreement but not unwillingness to consent. Now, blocks, indicating a moral, ethical, safety cncrn?

So, we’ll hear each of the blocks – I think there’s 3. #nycga #ows

6 blocks, sorry. Tim: “I have to block this because people have put hours and hours into making plans with which this conflicts.”#nycga #ows

Tim suggests that the group goes to DA to collaborate and if they say they should do it autonomously, come back and block is resolved.#nycga

They decline. Al’s issue is that they didn’t answer his questions clearly and their proposal might change meaning of “Occupy.” #nycga #ows

Al wants to know who he’s voting for and why they’re changing the name before he lifts his block. #nycga #ows

Stairs announces that it’s come to his attention that the proposers will table the proposal. #nycga #ows

Proposers feel caught between two sides. [IMO they just are making a classic mistake of not participating in Occupy before proposing to it.]

Stairs: “That was the only proposal on the agenda tonight, so it seems like y’all don’t need us anymore!” Next, announcements. #nycga #ows

Yoni: “Vision and Goals will be seeking consensus a complete vision document.” Meeting 60 Wall, tomorrow at 6pm. #nycga #ows

Nan announces that 2 weeks from now they’ll release a list of names they are planning on suing for slander (against her.) [OOOK. -Ed.]#nycga

Lady’s announcement: “This is about how we’re progressing in the movement. A lot of us need to find a way to occupy our minds…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…and hearts first.” This is not an announcement. #nycga #ows

Archives is having an open forum tomorrow, says Christine! At Judson Memorial church! More info at! #nycga #ows

Anthony mentions that the Staten Island GA is 1-4 Saturday a week from today. “It’s just a ferry away! And Fuck Monsanto!” #nycga #ows

Angela: “I’m coming from DC; I actually live in Maryland and volunteer on the weekends at McPherson Square. Next Friday, we’d like as…”

Cont’d: “…much support at the CPAC conference in DC.” Will have a rally, been thinking of ways to make “nonviolent noise” to get… #nycga

Cont’d: “…positive impression.” Agrees we need to occupy differently, feels that loss of last DC camps are a “sad day.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “They got kicked out of MacPherson Square. Homeland Security was there for the first time this week.” #nycga #ows

Stairs thanks her, notes the need for solidarity with DC that “went through hell today.” #nycga #ows

Tony from BAI: “Ellis was jailed; he needs $ on his books for bail. There’s a machine at 100 Center where you can put $ in to support him.”

Tony is very concerned with the lack of bail money for Ellis from #OWS. [Worth noting, he was arrested during a non-OWS action. -Ed.] #nycga

Jeff from Minutes: “People may not know the relationship between DA and GA and this and that.” Suggests a teach-in. #nycga #ows

That’s it for announcements! Stairs: “We’re going to close the GA! Thank you very much for your participation.” That’s it, fam. #nycga #ows

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Hi fam! The #OWS General Assembly is starting now! Y’all can follow here & at @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4 for overflow.

.@PoweredByCats and Anthony will co-facilitate tonight! @wookietv will take stack, and @CMarieDaniel will keep time! #nycga #ows

There are some folks w/ proposals that didn’t check in; Stairs (our facilitators) are currently checking to see if anyone’s here to present.

Sounds like there are 2 proposals, 1 proposed reading, & potentially a proposal from Nan (again) to dissolve the Spokescouncil. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…with us is the Tech blog:” Will be doing training Monday from 12-6 at Charlotte’s Place on how to use…

Cont’d: …for groups, and for how to set up their own blogs on that site. Also, computer security will be first at right around noon. #nycga

Now opening stack for working group reportbacks! TechOps: “We’ve been working on a lot of new projects; the best way to keep up…”#nycga #ows

[Sorry, those got out of order due to a timeout. That last one precedes the 2 posted prior to it.] #nycga #ows

Brett notes that we’ll be strict on time due to a hard stop mandated by 60 Wall’s 10pm closing time. #nycga #ows

Minutes/Facilitation report back together: They went to last night’s Bushwick GA! “Last night, we had another GA, second in 2 weeks…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…it was more lk open spaces — had skill sharing on HTML, and talked about gentrification.” Dave, others from facilitation helped.

.@dovidmoishe agrees. “I think it was the first time they felt they could come together and get something done.” Next one: Loom, 7pm, Thurs.

Anthony steps in: “GA is a public, open meeting, which means anyone with a camera can come in and film. But please let ppl know…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…so that people who are uncomfortable with it can indicate that and you can avoid them.” #nycga #ows

Camille, Legal and Jail Support: “I made this announcement at the end of GA today; this is a damage control kind of announcement…” #nycga

Cont’d: “We had issues this past weekend; ppl were arraigned w/ public defenders Friday and Sunday. It’s something to keep in mind…”

Cont’d: “…if you’re planning autonomous events, please get some NLG people there. But right now there may not be one at your arraignment…”

Essentially NLG is stretched thin; they had a full caseload pre-#OWS. “They weren’t expecting this to be that many arrests… for this long.”

Daniel, Facilitation! “Today at our meeting, we discussed how now that the #SC is mostly functional, and we have a spending freeze..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…we have much more time for discussion at the GA, which is great.” So facilitation will be collecting questions that folks want..

Cont’d: ..addressed at the GA. Facilitation will open a Google Doc and either select or pick randomly, topics for discussion. #nycga #ows

“So, look for that, especially w/ working groups, and if you want to get on it and you’re not in a working group, come see me.” #nycga #ows

Chris, from DA! “About 2 months ago, #OccupyLA and #OccupyLongBeach put out a call for a #GeneralStrike on May 1st.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “This call has now been picked up by about 25 occupations; it’s gonna be huge. We’ve been meeting for about 3 weeks in DA and…”

Cont’d: “…as a subgroup to DA. We finally consensed on language that the DA group agrees to for this action in solidarity with LA.” #nycga

Cont’d: “Our framework includes new terminology so that folks not behind GS maybe can get behind our call.” It’ll come before GA soon.

Language: “MayDay 2012; #OWS stands in solidarity for calls with a day w/o the 99%, a General Strike, and more.” Calling for a day of no…

Cont’d: …work, no school, no shopping, no banking, etc. #nycga #ows

Nan’s announcement. “Newark, NJ is having a festival Feb 11-12, a pre-valentine’s thing for family. Bring your wallet and cash, b/c…”

Cont’d: “…we’re gonna have different games and things like that.” For family and to get to know each other. At #OccupyNewark. #nycga #ows

Reportback from Camille about Ellis: “Ellis had an out-of-state warrant; we had bail money for him.” Is “solid #OWS”, everyone knows him.

“Basically, he was put on $2k bail, but b/c the DA in PA wants him extradited back to PA for the warrant he had there, which if he had…”

Cont’d: “…the proper representation for his arraignment,” it wouldn’t have been the case. “We’re just hoping for the best for him; I’m..”

Cont’d: “…really fucked up about this, sorry to use that language.” #nycga #ows

Facilitation lets us know we’re meeting 2pm Saturday at 60 Wall to talk about how to get spaces for Spokescouncil and avoid cancellations.

Sage is bringing forward an emergency proposal in response to the fact that Housing is out of Metrocards already for the night. #nycga #ows

Sage: “Facilitation was supposed to tell you it’s up to you to decide whether or not this is an emergency proposal; I’m not here to..”#nycga

Cont’d: “…dominate your time; it’s up to you.” Notes that Metrocards should be available during GA and Spokescouncil, at meetings. #nycga

“Today, I showed up at 7pm for the GA, and the Metrocards were already handed out. What this means to me is that somebody needs…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…to explain what they were thinking, and why they decided to hand out Metrocards at 6pm, before the GA starts, and I want..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…their Metrocard! Personally! B/c I’m not superman; I’m not trying to rescue anyone else; I can barely take care of myself on…”

Cont’d: “…a daily basis.” “I rely on that Metrocard; I have to risk my freedom 2-4 times a day all week just to get here” without one.#nycga

“It’s against my religion to cure symptoms; I want to go after causes.” Refused someone else’s card; wants the distributor’s. #nycga #ows

First CQ: “I have $13 in my wallet, and now I have $3, b/c I wasn’t able to get my metro card.” Wants to see improvement too. #nycga #ows

Sage: “Also, Metrocards on Tuesday were unavailable due to a lack of accountability w/ Accounting. Ppl went to get $ from…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…Accounting, and they didn’t have money for the metro card team.” Brett notes we need to decide whether this… #nycga #ows

…qualifies as an emergency proposal. Notes that since Sage doesn’t specifically have a proposal, we could try forming one together. #nycga

Stairs: “If you want to have this conversation now, twinkle up; if you don’t, twinkle down.” Also, you can mid-twinkle if you’re not sure.

Stairs: “That was more positive than not; not everyone participated.” Notes that since there are 2 fewer agenda items than intended…

…we should probably go for it. Brett asks if anyone has any suggests for some sort of proposal to address this issue. #nycga #ows

Anthony suggests we break into small breakouts for 5 minutes… but Sean has a PoI: “I talked to Cynthia; she was doing someone a favor…”

Cont’d:”…they gave out 80 Metrocards yesterday, there were none Tuesday, and 20 today.” They still have 20, but feels we may need more.

Stairs: “The Metrocards are for the inner workings of the movement, so it needs to be taken to Spokescouncil.” Sean notes GA passed… #nycga

Cont’d: …the spending freeze, so if we need to make an exception for Metrocards, it needs to happen here at GA. #nycga #ows

We temp check the discussion again: it’s mixed still. Someone asks if we can even solve this w/o the Housing / point people present. #nycga

Someone talked to Jeff and he says Cynthia had all the cards, so there actually aren’t anymore cards. #nycga #ows

Sage: “There’s an inherent problem: b/c we’re so anti-hierarchy, there’s no built-in custom for training the person that replaces you…”

Cont’d: “…so that didn’t happen, so the person who handed them out had no idea to hold onto them until GA.” #nycga #ows

Stairs suggests we put a hold on it and wait for Jeff to get here, and we’ll talk to him on the side and see what can be done. #nycga #ows

So, we’ll move onto the Accountability proposal from Town Planning. Sean is passing it out. #nycga #ows

OK, here’s the Accountability proposal: #nycga #ows

Sean notes that it starts with verbatim copies of the Principles of Solidarity and the Statement of Autonomy, and that the rest is wordy.

Sean is reading the proposal now. It’s pretty long; the gist is to empower the GA to “sever ties” w/ those who don’t follow the Principles..

Cont’d: …of Solidarity, the Statement of Autonomy, or other community agreements. It says folks who don’t exclude themselves… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: …by essentially putting themselves outside the definition of #OWS if they don’t act in a way consistent w/ agreements. #nycga #ows

OK, we’re now beginning the consensus process, starting with hearing clarifying questions. #nycga #ows

CQ: “This seems like a preamble; not a proposal – could be boiled down to a single bulletpoint, that the GA can sever contact…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…with an individual” who moves outside of our principles. “Can this be one solid paragraph/bulletpoint we can consense on?” #nycga

Sean answers he warned us it was a bit long, but feels like the explanation, particularly the benefits to be denied to an individual..#nycga

Cont’d: important. But he summarizes, essentially says the revocation of benefits is the meat of the proposal. #nycga #ows

Razor’s CQ: “I’d like to know the names of the ppl that wrote this.” A: “Myself [Sean] and Robert from Town Planning.” #nycga #ows

Razor: “This is what a business does when they’re locking down property rights. Clearly a lawyer had input on this somewhere..” #nycga #ows

Sean says no, neither of them are lawyers. But Razor says “this is scary shit, and I do not understand this in an inclusive movement.”#nycga

Sean says it was developed just within Town Planning. Razor says his humorous analogy, “Johnny the Homocidal Protester”, is triggering.

Razor: “I don’t find that remotely funny; maybe it’s funny if you haven’t been through hell.” Says there’s no place for this in safe space.

Nan’s CQ: “This is a movement for everybody,” says Sean’s writing is exclusive. “The government excludes the 99%; if…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…you’re saying you’re trying to exclude, that’s some scary shit.” Nan says this is particularly alarming b/c a black male was..

Cont’d: …excluded from Spokescouncil after a white man didn’t give him a metro card and he put his hands on him. [Not what happened. -Ed.]

Nan also accuses Sean of stalking her online. “How will you put this forward without racism?” #nycga #ows

Sean notes that the GA would have to consense on exclusion, and if that could happen “it’s probably not racist.” #nycga #ows

Nan: “People of color, they’re bringing a process, and I think you’re taking away that process.” Safer Spaces’ proposal, she means. #nycga

Proposer again chooses to not respond. CQ: “I hear those concerns, but — like he said, this is kind of a preamble. I’m not sure how this..”

Cont’d: “…could be practical. If someone does something detrimental to the movement, a necessary fact for him to be excluded, it would..”

Cont’d: “…have to be, like, pre-meditated damage to the movement itself.” Notes emotion rises up and shit happens. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “So, nobody is really without recourses to come back — cut off — there shouldn’t be something to cut off, can’t come back…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…unless it’s serious.” Sean notes it would definitely only happen in serious cases — serious or repetitive. #nycga #ows

Brett notes we’ve expired our original time and an additional 10 minutes consented to earlier; we’ll temp check now to see.. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: …if GA wants to continue, “otherwise the proposal will be tabled for further development and can come back.” #nycga #ows

Stairs says the temp check is positive; continuing on with stack. CQ: “On the last bulletpoint you mentioned, I’m wondering practically…”

Cont’d: “…how someone can lose the ability to say they’re part of #OWS.” Sean notes that when Media had this issue, they made a public..

Cont’d: …statement. So, we can disavow that person. That’s about it. #nycga #ows

Someone suggests that “Black Bloc” tactics might be a good example to work with. Lots of down twinkles, and he seems hesitant. #nycga #ows

He clarifies: “Well, you just gave us this sheet on where to draw the line, and I think a good solid example would be Black Bloc tactics.”

I think a lot of ppl want to set him straight, as he’s misusing the term, but Stairs are trying to steeeer us back to this proposal. #nycga

Someone asks what experience Town Planning has that gives them credibility on this proposal. Sean notes that personally, he experienced…

Cont’d: …abuse in his home growing up, and that he was the coordinator for a LARP. Questioner wants to know what his “Town Planning”…#nycga

Cont’d: …experience is. “If he doesn’t have Town Planning experience, why is he on Town Planning for the movement?” #nycga #ows

Sumumba asks him what this has to do with park agreements; Sean notes this extends more broadly and reasserts applicability. #nycga #ows

.@dovidmoishe: “I understand this proposal isn’t about excluding ppl, but excluding behaviors that are not consistent with our…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…principles as a movement, and when those behaviors undermine our process and are destroying the mvmnt, those behaviors..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…are what’s targeted, not the invididual.” Feels also there should be a road back for anyone excluded. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “More a stment of support; a little out of process.” That’s it for clarifying ?s, now stacking up concerns/friendly amendments.

Concern: “I’m concerned about the community agreement and code of conduct being forthcoming,” “if we’re going to be..” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…talking about behaviors we should be specific about what behaviors we do and do not accept.” #nycga #ows

A: “Safer Spaces are working on the proposals; it’s been to Spokescouncil and is being revised.” Concerner just wants to make sure… #nycga

Cont’d: ..the proposal remains linked to specific behaviors. Sean says that’s the idea. #nycga #ows

C: “You talked about a restorative justice process in the works, this is a friendly amendment, would you be willing to hold off…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…until that process is completed?” Sean asks to temp check the GA about waiting until grievance process exists. #nycga #ows

Both Stairs and proposer agree the temperature check looks positive; but Sean wants to finish stack on concerns/FAs. 4 more? #nycga #ows

Stairs wants to have ppl talk to Sean outside of the main process, so that someone from DC can make their proposal before leaving. #nycga

.@OccupyDC! “Sorry, we need to be on an #interoccupy call tonight at 9pm!” Two folks from #ODC in Freedom Plaza. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We didn’t bring copies of the proposal, but it was posted, and it came out of the #OWS Direct Action group.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We brought it to our GA and they approved it. It’s called “NowDC”, the National Occupation of Washington DC. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We’re asking occupiers around the country to come to DC and also to join in the planning.” #nycga #ows

First week, they’ll set up camp. Second week, occupiers will share skills and experiences and gain organizing skills. #nycga #ows

Also, they’ll work on organizing structures outside of current structures: alternative economies, sustainable food networks, etc.#nycga #ows

“The subtitle for this is Occupy Power; it’s Occupying the center of power but also showing our power.” Asking if NYC is in #solidarity.

The website is; working groups are there and minutes are posted on website, and every Thurs at 9pm they have their org call.

“We started collecting solidarity statements last Sunday; there are 10 so far.” It’s a slow process. “Since we have 10, that makes..” #nycga

Cont’d: “…it a national #Occupy action under #Interoccupy rules; we really want #OWS to be a part of that.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “You discussed setting up camps for this: how are the recent actions by police in DC affecting this?” #nycga #ows

A: “So far, both camps are still open; it’s very strange rules in DC. First, on the Federal Parks, you’re allowed to have a 24-hour vigil..”

Cont’d: “…you’re allowed to have tents, just not to sleep.” “We deeply meditate.” Also, you can sleep on streets in DC legally. #nycga #ows

“So, that’s part of the #Occupy challenge, and we’ll fight it as we fight it.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “Why March and not April?” A: “We wanted to start it shortly after spring began, and we didn’t know Congress wouldn’t return…” #nycga

Cont’d “…until the 16th. But we thought about our movement and how it’s really us that holds the power, so maybe it’s not such a bad thing.”

“Plus Congress not being in town means the media has nothing to do but cover us!” #nycga #ows

CQ was about Congress. “In our view, it doesn’t matter who you put into Congress or the White House right now- system doesn’t work.” #nycga

Notes that the call they’re having at 9pm is about how to shift power nonviolently. #nycga #ows

Next, Concerns. Drew: “So, is there any specific help that you need from #OWS to put on the record, just so we’re aware of it & can assist?”

A: They want folks to join working groups, especially DA, and to help with website and social media, Twitter, etc. #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “We hope you’ll join and help to shape it.” Don’t expect everyone to come down for whole month. Also, you can submit workshops…

Cont’d: …for the social forum. Everything from learned lessons, to technical stuff, livestream. “We want to build the movement’s strength..

Cont’d: “…through this social forum.” They want to be as flexible and useful as they possibly can. #nycga #ows

C: “My concern is, a lot of groups come and say, twinkle on my x. And I don’t know what our actual support is by twinkling up and down…”

Cont’d: “…or blocking it, b/c I’m an autonomous person, and if I support it, I’m going to support it. Even if it gets blocked…” #nycga

Cont’d: “So, that’s my concern with basically all proposals of this type.” #nycga #ows

A: “We’ve made that pt; whether you consense to join or not, we certainly invite everyone to coming.” “That’s also why we like…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…the word #solidarity better than endorsement.” “We just want to get as many people involved as we can.” #nycga #ows

Sean, the CQ, responds- #solidarity is mutual having each others’ backs, not sure it’s different from endorsement or what GA can promise.

Nan’s C is that someone else came to get solidarity and was turned down. “Occupy The Road”? “I’m concerned, b/c what..” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “..are we telling those people?” Says it’s egocentric. “If we say we’re the 99% and we’re everybody,” we have to stand up w/ them.

OK, that’s it for Concerns. Any friendly amendments? No! Temperature check to ask how we’re feeling… very, very good. Proposers will restate

“We’re seeking your solidarity for a National Occupation of Washington DC, beginning in March and going through April.” #nycga #ows

First, Stairs will ask for standasides, and then blocks. Anthony reminds us that blocks indicate serious moral, ethical, or safety concerns.

Carrie’s Standaside: she doesn’t feel comfortable endorsing an occupation that we may not have much say into. #nycga #ows

Shawn also stood aside for reasons indicated earlier. There’s a third stand aside… “are there any blocks?” No! Consensus! #nycga #ows

OK, so now Jeff from Housing will come up and explain Metrocards issue. “I want to state again, the GA policy- 120 Metrocards a week…”

Cont’d: “…this week, we did not receive the $ on time; Accounting had other priorities Tuesday.” Gave away 80 last night, should be 40…

Cont’d: “I’m concerned because 40 should have been enough.” Ppl who stepped up didn’t get trained, so maybe didn’t follow procedure. #nycga

Cont’d: “At least one of the ppl who signed up for this evening I’ve seen take Metrocards for personal use.” “If you were here 7, 7:30..”

Cont’d: “…and you did not get a Metrocard, there’s a problem.” Wants to make sure that there is accountability, account for all forms.#nycga

Jeff doesn’t think we need to buy more, thinks we need to get accountability for cards we already bought. #nycga #ows

Nan asks “so do we not get Metrocards, or what?” Jeff says he hopes we find them and need to find them first before he can tell us. #nycga

Next proposal! It’s from Aaron. It’s not a proposal, “this is something I read in my life that came back to me.” I’ll film this for y’all…

Aaron just read this Emma Goldman excerpt here: #nycga #ows

We’ve opened the floor to responses. Razor notes the irony of quoting Emma Goldman, who was violent after being left out of… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: …planning the revolution, and then at the same time consider proposals to exclude people. “It’s bullshit,” Razor says. #nycga #ows

I’ll post the video of that. Anthony: “We’ve completed our agenda! Fuck Monsanto!” Next, Announcements. #nycga #ows

First announcement: “Hi! I’m working on a website called “Occupy Stories”, the vision is to archive and amplify first-hand experiences..”

Cont’d: “…with #OWS, not just here but all over the country.” Oakland, Miami; “I think we all have a lot of experiences here that are..”

Cont’d: “…worth keeping in 1 place.”; “If you have something you’ve already written or want to write, we’ll publish it.”

Next, Patrick: “Just an update from the Vision and Goals team; we’re bringing the latest version of the statement Feb 14th.” “We made..”

Cont’d: “…some changes, we tried to integrate the things that we heard.” Will have a link on site so you can find it easily. #nycga #ows

Sumumba thanks us for coming out, and the Outreach group is “now going to be in East Flatbush Saturday to help them start a GA!” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “It can’t be a revolution if it’s just us down here at Wall Street.” Meet at 6:30 Mon, 60 Wall. Want to liberate NYC, America!#nycga

Sean notes that the Grievance Process-in-process will be discussed at 6:30 pm tomorrow night at the Quaker Society in Brooklyn. #nycga #ows

Maria, from OccupyZurich in Switzerland! “It was very nice to attend an #NYCGA; I have plenty of questions, so if you want to meet after..”

Cont’d: “…come to me.” Cool! Welcome! #nycga #ows

Someone named “Naut”? Wants to start an “OccupyVoters” group to target issues in NYC starting w/ City Council, to phone/pressure ppl. #nycga

No details yet, but he’ll come back to GA when he has them. @raviahmad from Outreach notes they’ll have orientation Saturday, 12pm, 60 Wall.

Ravi: “If you want to just talk to new people, please feel free.” They hang out and help plug people into stuff to do w/ #OWS! #nycga #ows

Anthony: “Ellis’ court date is tomorrow morning; please show up at Court in Brooklyn at Supreme Court, 9am, 3rd floor.” #nycga #ows

Brett thanks us for our patience. “If you have any feedback for either of us, we’d be happy to hear it! Thank you!” #nycga #ows

OK everyone! I’ll upload that video ASAP, otherwise that’s it for the GA! Thanks for following along everyone! #nycga #ows

Quick announcement frm the @LibertySqGA team- in coalition w/ OWSNYC & other streamers/citizen journos, we’ve been working on something new!

More on that soon. It’s gonna be great. [Questions, concerns, comments on tonight’s GA, hit me up @diceytroop! Thanks fam! -Ed.] #nycga #ows