Tweets for Sat, 18 Feb 2012

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Hi fam! Livetweets from @LibertySqGA will be here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, @LibertySqGA4. #NYCGA #OWS

Justin (Stairs: “Tonight we’ve got several proposals and two proposed discussion groups.” Wants to discuss each group’s intention. #NYCGA

Cont’d: “There’s an anti-oppression proposal that wants to do a breakout discussion, a solidarity proposal for #M17, Vision and Goals..”

Cont’d: “…would like a discussion too, and there’s also a space proposal.” Suggests we work through proposals first. #NYCGA #OWS

Justin temp checks doing solidarity statement or space proposal first; solidarity proposal wins. #NYCGA #OWS

Stan and Jessica are here with their Proposal for M17 Action, from the Housing Working Group. #NYCGA #OWS

Here’s the “Proposal for M17 Action”: http://t.co/G63QEadC #NYCGA #OWS

(That’s Saint Patrick’s Day, it’s an action to “recognize the Irish History of Oppression by the British Empire, and connect this…) #NYCGA

Cont’d: (…”oppression historically with oppression of indigenous and tribal people, the impoverished and working class around the world.”)

Someone suggests they work with other people’s St Patrick’s Day activities to coordinate; proposers indicate they will be in different pts..

Cont’d: …of the city because it’ll be focused in communities around the city. #NYCGA #OWS

Someone’s concern is that people often don’t realize that Wall Street’s history is selling slaves. Proposer recognizes that: “This may…”

Cont’d: “…be something we need to address at the Memorial Service” they’re having as part of the action. #NYCGA #OWS

Lady: “Is there a way to connect this march with… it’s Black History Month right now, and we haven’t done anything for it.” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “This proposal is for every working group, and invites working groups to” be involved in it, so that can definitely happen. #NYCGA #OWS

It’s hard to hear the next concern, but it sounds like Direct Action has big plans for our 6-month anniversary (#M17) and some… #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…coordination would be good.” Proposers agree with that. Previous commenter wants to actually make a friendly amendment… #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…to connect the struggles of people to the whole city” and bigger St. Patrick’s Day plans. Accepted. #NYCGA #OWS

C: “I think it’s important to take advantage of traditional holidays like St. Patrick’s Day.” “This is a great idea, and people should…”

Cont’d: “…support this,” and connect struggles of Irish to the day for folks who might just think of it as a day to drink. #NYCGA #OWS

Sumumba’s FA is that they work with other GAs. The proposers are all about it, want to try to include other cities w/ #interocc. #NYCGA #OWS

OK, so that’s it for questions, concerns, friendly amendments. They’ll coordinate with DA, include black history, connect with the parade…

Cont’d: …and include food organizations (connect issues of food justice). #NYCGA #OWS

Sean adds in POI, notes that connecting to the larger St. Patrick’s parade is another plan in motion that is still pending. #NYCGA #OWS

OK! Nick (@OccupyNick, facilitating w/ @justinstoned) calls for standasides.. blocks… none! Consensus! #NYCGA #OWS

Next proposal: Spaces. Darrel wants to talk about spaces. “I think the most important thing we can really be thinking about right…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…now is space, and us having a space. And the reason we did so well at the Park was because” of the kind of space it was. #NYCGA

Cont’d: That’s where people congregated and had conversations they couldn’t have, where they slept, where they ate. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “So here we are, a few months away from the park,” having to deal with the fact that we don’t have our own place to be. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “That’s really the fundamental basis of what people call wealth, or whatever — it’s something that’s yours, you can do…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…what you want with it.” Once we have space we can have events, parties, whatever you want to do. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “Now, we need to start thinking about what the boundaries are.” Can get spaces for less than $20k/month, “sounds like a lot…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…but it’s really not,” as long as you have a business or something running out of there and you hustle. Also nods to idea of…

Cont’d: …an occupy house. He wants to do a breakout session to talk about getting space. Justin: “Is there something you want to…?” #NYCGA

Darrell: “I just want people to talk about the basis,” what our ideal space is. He suggests Brooklyn, notes base of support and… #NYCGA

Cont’d: …potential support and economic benefits versus renting space in Manhattan. #NYCGA #OWS

OK, so we’re having a breakout session about housing. After this, two other discussions, which should be super interesting. #NYCGA #OWS

We’re back! Justin: “This is a moment of transparency for me; as a new facilitator, I thought this was a proposal…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…we started moving through process as if this was a proposal;” instead we’ll do breakout reportbacks. #NYCGA #OWS

First group: “For those who do not know, my primary working group is Town Planning and I’ve also been involved in Housing…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…so physical structures is one of the primary issues we’ve been working on” for months. Hard to summarize their past work quickly.

Cont’d: “When we think about legal spaces where we can” have permanent space for building the movement… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…consolidating space,” staying in Manhattan is neutral for our movement, feels moving to outer borough “changes the demographic.”

Jeff notes that some people feel like accepting or renting a space isn’t the same as reclaiming an abandoned space. #NYCGA #OWS

Suggests that maybe we can have a combination of the two of them; have organizational space be legal and residential space be… #NYCGA

Cont’d: …about occupation. Notes we have materials to reclaim physical space if we can find a place worth risking it for. #NYCGA #OWS

Darrell thanks Jeff and notes that these are some of the questions that have kept us going forward, thinks they’re of highest priority.

Next: “Our group discussed that we feel we should really keep the occupation in Manhattan, not branch out, keep it in center of world.”

Next: “We like the idea of having a space; some of our concerns were money (would it be too much to take on?) do we have…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…infrastructure to support this?” Suggest mix of work and living, variety of tactics throughout city. Organizing for occupation…

Cont’d: …”making sure we have community agreements and guidelines,” and working in a variety of communities throughout the city. #NYCGA

NExt: “We were concerned about having a place where people lived — who would decide who lived there, who doesn’t, and it could…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…be really easy to shut down if it had the occupy name on it. Who knows how long it’d be before they had an excuse?” #NYCGA

“Once it’s warmer, it will be easier to figure out where people stay, and many people had ideas for occupying public space.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next: “You know, there’s a lot of people that were at the occupation, didn’t have a place to go afterwards; i haven’t been to many housing..

Cont’d: “…meetings, but I think a lot of the dialogue was how to help people who were at the occupation and had nowhere to go afterwards.”

She suggests that we have a space where people can live, and people who pay rent. “I have something I can contribute,” would… #NYCGA

Cont’d: …love to live among occupiers. Suggests we who can pay rent for the movement to subsidize a space for people who can’t live there.

Cont’d: “Whether or not it’s politically good to take back a space, or rent back a space, making things happen is more important.” #NYCGA

Last on stack: “So, that was the first part of the conversation, of course. And our group also noted that other groups, in Albany for…”

Cont’d: “…instance, had spaces they were able to rent.” “But also, there was a concern that part of what’s important about the…” #NYCGA

Cont’d:”…movement is occupying public spaces,” is important part of what movement does. Would be a big change, could lose something. #NYCGA

Justin asks Darrell what he’d like to do at this point. “Would you like to consense on something here tonight?” Darrell has a basic draft.

His statement draft is “One of OWS’ greatest needs right now is to find an indoor space for a number of uses…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…it’s going to empower a steering committee to get a number of options and bring back a GA later this week.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “It empowers them to investigate any and all options it would take to acquire a space legally.” #NYCGA #OWS

He also was thinking about proposing that we’d spend half our remaining funds on the space, but that’s another thing. #NYCGA #OWS

PoP: “Proposals to come before GA need to be online for 24 hours, so while we can definitely build the proposal now, we can’t consense..”

Cont’d: “…on it until next GA.” There’s some discussion; Stairs temp checks and Darrell says it looks too mixed to do it. #NYCGA #OWS

OK. There’s some discussion about what component of the proposal can be discussed tonight… OK, it’s tabled for more work. #NYCGA #OWS

Next! Bana: “We want to have a 20 minute breakout group discussing this question: oppression, marginalization, privilege — what do those…”

Cont’d: “…words mean to you, and is it different from the way they are used in Occupy Wall Street?” #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs: “So, how do we feel about having 6 groups?” Someone asks about reporting back; proposer suggests… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: …part of Facilitation’s anti-oppression mission involves starting to learn. “This is an effort to learn more about how we’re all…”

Cont’d: “…starting looking at it.” Facilitation will distill the output and it will inform approaches. #NYCGA #OWS

Bana notes Facilitation has been talking about how issues of oppression had been playing out in the movement. “That’s why we want..”

Cont’d: “…to have discussion.” We’ll continue in the same breakout groups as before and have reportbacks later. 20 mins. #NYCGA #OWS

So, we’re reporting back now. First reportback points out need to avoid marginalization of homeless and poor ppl in the mvmnt. #NYCGA #OWS

Ronnie notes that sometimes, when he hears people assert marginalization, he feels it’s just because they’re jerks. #NYCGA #OWS

Sarah Harper points out that the rhetoric of “people talking advantage of the movement” is a bigger problem than overt marginalization.

She supports idea of “extreme solidarity”, that we’re in it together no matter what. #NYCGA #OWS

Next group had a variety of answers, “but we know what we live and experience and that this society’s structure was” built on race. #NYCGA

“Is it in the movement? I don’t know. But I think the conversation is extremely important… I’m glad we’re” discussing what to do about it.

Next group: “We may have strayed from actual question a little: it was expressed” that this organization is pretty unoppressive, “we’re…

Cont’d: “..all equal no matter what we try to do.” “We need to express that in the movement, we’re human beings first. Outside, people may..

Cont’D: “…not have that in mind.” Oppression that exists in movement only exists because we let it. #NYCGA #OWS

Sumumba: “There’s a lot of misinformation, but maybe correct info, about #OWS” in community. “We had the #OCcupyDoE mtg..”

Cont’d: “…a few weeks ago, and some black and brown parents felt we were disrespectful to them.” Went to Sunset Park and felt like…

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Cont’d: …privileged, “anarchist” people are making decisions in the movement without including other people. Notes he didn’t know about…

Cont’d: …#M17 plans. Notes that DA doesn’t have to run plans through GA because GA empowered them 2 weeks in, notes there’s… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: …a big problem with that, that it doesn’t make us look democratic. Notes that due to their misimpressions of #OWS, OccupytheBronx..

Cont’d: …is now “Take Back the Bronx” instead. Sumumba also feels some marginalization of the elderly here too, says we need… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: …to have a Council of Elders. #NYCGA #OWS

Next: “We felt 20 minutes is not near enough to talk about… these huge topics.” A lot of things exist within these things, sexism, racism..

Cont’d: …privilege, “can be used as political footballs” to support an agenda, or to help us move forward. “We’ve made an attempt…”

Cont’d: “…to deal with these issues within the occupation, but when it ended” the issue grew exponentially because “we’ve had people…”

Cont’d: “…with immense privilege” making decisions for homeless occupiers. “Decisions are made often in that same…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “..pattern we’ve” internalized due to the environment and wider society we’re in. “These issues are very serious, but at least..”

Cont’d: “…we have a forum to talk about it, which is a major strength of the movement, that we have a place to talk about it.” #NYCGA #OWS

Lady: “I feel the ppl being marginalized in this mvmnt are the homeless ppl more than anybody; some ppl feel that if you fix the problems..”

Cont’d: “…of money being in politics, then everything else will be fixed, will trickle down.” Points out a drummer in corner, says…

Cont’d: …he’s being marginalized. Isiah, “over here, he’s being marginalized.” Not about not participating, it’s about feeling your voice..

…is not heard and not be able to participate with your voice heard. Points out two ppl she says are marginalized, at margins of group.#NYCGA

Next person says we’re not listening well enough to each other. “We talked about the extent to which oppression and marginalization exist..”

Cont’d: “…in #OWS, and the extent to which it is unfairly used in an unjustified accusatory manner.” Ppl did say some of it does exist.

He also notes that some ppl felt there were issues with caucuses, folks of color setting themselves “aside” in exclusionary groups. #NYCGA

He also notes that “if you’re poor, you’re oppressed, you have less time” to participate in Occupy Wall Street. “Whatever privilege…”

Cont’d: “…we have enables us to do what is necessary,” here at #OWS. “I forgot things, but that’s good.” #NYCGA #OWS

Justin: “Are there any other groups that need to report back.” Yup: “I wish there’d be more benefit of the doubt given in this mvmnt..”

Cont’d: “..because at least w/ everyone I’ve been in touch with, it’s pretty clear that both those words are egregious and odious. So…”

Cont’d: “…the benefit of the doubt, like patterns aren’t necessarily evidence of racism and sexism.” And some of the underlying things…

Cont’d: …are much less egregious than those words. “Like unconscious racism.” #NYCGA #OWS

Sage wants to jump in… suggests it’s weird that an individual can’t. Stairs agrees, gives him floor. Sage doesn’t take it. #NYCGA #OWS

Sage jumps up and there’s some kind of confrontation between him and Justin. Didn’t see what happened… #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs ask GA whether they want to move to the next proposal, or discuss the “act of violence” that just occurred. Justin bounced, upset.

Anthony steps up. “Justin stepped down, and I want to step up if that’s OK w/ everyone.” #NYCGA #OWS

People don’t seem to want to discuss it. @CarrieM213: “I’m so upset about the violence I just witnessed and the fact that ppl don’t…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…want to discuss it that I’m resigning from doing Minutes for the rest of the meeting.” #NYCGA #OWS

Justin says he’s about to file a police report against Sage. Nick notes the GA cannot continue w/o Minutes; we should respect it… #NYCGA

Cont’d: …and discuss that. Wants to temp check. Someone suggests we can’t temp check it when it’s the right thing to do. #NYCGA #OWS

Anthony asks for 10 seconds of silence to let the energy level fade. Sage wants to apologize to Carrie, says that he should be able to…

Cont’d: …just like, he says, @justinstoned should have apologized to him. “Before you head butted him,” Sumumba says. #NYCGA #OWS

Anthony: “This is something we’ve usually failed to address in the past,” this is a chance to fix that. He suggests we break out…

Cont’d: …into small groups to discuss how we “abolish the violence” and ways to deal with this situation. #NYCGA #OWS

OK, we’re reporting back the discussion. Ravi: “This is an ongoing problem of people getting excited and losing their shit. We need…”

Cont’d: “…to have an ongoing conversation about it so people know how to deal with it.” Notes there’s NVC, de-escalation… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “There were ways for dealing with this in the park that not everyone knows about,” so sometimes we don’t know what to do. #NYCGA

Ravi notes she and some others are working on a proposal for “nonviolent capacity-building” to occur at the start of each GA. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “We need in the park, we need it now.” Jeff is very “concerned about violence in this movement,” notes that we should deal….

Cont’d: …with people who are aggressive to others before events like this happen. “We need to come up w/ a method” to prevent… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: …behavior that’s unacceptable. “At home, you wouldn’t let people threaten you in your house.” Same w/ at work. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “We’re here to actually come up with better systems, but we seem to be actually avoiding coming up w/ any systems.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next: “I feel strongly we should address this issue tonight; we shouldn’t rely on the NYPD. They’re not always on our side.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next: “I agree we have to address this beforehand;” notes that in other movements, “never was it tolerated to use physical..” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…violence against another person.” Says we’ve been “mollycoddling” it for months. “You can figure out some other…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…way to bring them back in,” but otherwise we’re inviting it and “wasting our time.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next, Trish. “We’re addressing issues of violence against your individual person, if I’m not mistaken?” Stairs: “Addressing what we can do..

Cont’d: “…to prevent violent incidents from happening.” Trish: “Disperse as a movement.” [Mmmm. -Ed.] #NYCGA #OWS

Libor from Legal will make a proposal “as an individual, a comrade, and friend. We have points of unity, and we say…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…if people violate those principles, we eject them from the movement.” Notes Sage has pushed or punched ppl 3 times… #NYCGA #OWS

“We can’t eject him from the space; it’s a public space. But his voice shouldn’t be included when we’re making proposals.” #NYCGA #OWS

It’s an emergency proposal, so we’ll temperature check moving forward on the proposal tonight or tabling it for the future. #OWS #NYCGA

Lady: “I’m sorry, I’m going to talk over everyone just because. OK?” People respond in a chorus of “No”s. #NYCGA #OWS

Anthony: “Do we feel we should continue on w/ stack we have now before we hear emergency proposal, or move to stack on proposal?” #NYCGA

20 minutes left in the space, Atrium security informs us. First person on stack states need to deal with physical violence… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: …and then verbal violence. If this was a single event situation, he’d say let it be; since pattern, we need to address (not tonight)

Cont’d: “I personally want this guy kicked out, but we should have a due process, and then he hopefully will not show up again.” #NYCGA

Dallas notes that we need to be addressing the broader oppression we’re here to contest. #NYCGA #OWS

Next: in Chicago, it’s different b/c they have a space they rent, but they kick people out if they violate their agreements. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “Some of us were thinking, just end the GA now, but then, what, someone can just headbutt someone and end the GA?” #NYCGA #OWS

Sumumba: “The people that are committing the violence and the disruptions are doing the same thing in different spaces.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “We have a lot of PC ppl who feel exclusion is a bad thing, but this is a movement.” People need to take meds, or seek treatment…

Sarah Harper is upset at Sumumba’s conflation of mental illness and violence, notes she’s never been violent. #NYCGA #OWS

Next: “The idea the NYPD are the enemy is ridiculous; they’re 99% as much as we are.” Says they’re our tool to prevent violence; says…

Cont’d: …someone can get a restraining order against an aggressor, come to GA, and that person can’t come near it. #NYCGA #OWS

Bana notes there is a group of people meeting every Friday to discuss this issue. “Yesterday, I went; there were 7 ppl there.”#NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “We should be working on it, and not be reactionary.” Says we should work on root causes. #NYCGA #OWS

Eli from Boston notes that Boston had similar issues, to the point where many, including her, left. “We can’t be reactionary; there’s no…”

Cont’d: “…way we can deal with this right now in a rational way in this space.” We need to be working on safer spaces and the grievance…

Cont’d: …process. “Not 7, not 10, not 50, but 500 of us that regularly show up to meetings.” #NYCGA #OWs

Next: “One of the biggest problems surrounding violence is its ability to disrupt our meetings.” Notes that we’re now spending rest…

Cont’d: …of meeting talking about it. “It’s important to address how we can prevent that. I experienced tonight that the Facilitation can…”

Cont’d: “…toe the line and make a very strong ask about what’s going to happen afterwards; if we can just make clear what we’re asking..”

Cont’d: “…we should be able to make something clear out of that.” Says he struggled with this. #NYCGA #OWS

.@justinstoned wants to say something; he wants to thank those who reached out. “This isn’t a social issue; it’s not about our movement..”

Cont’d: “…this is a medical issue.” Feels that folks with mental illness keep hijacking our movement. “We need to take a step and figure..”

Cont’d: “…out what it means to you. We’re not going to solve this issue here tonight.” #NYCGA #OWS

Nick suggests we resolve this conversation at Zuccotti Park. Everyone is having side conversations, sometimes heated. #NYCGA #OWS

Nick: “We have 10 minutes left in this space. We’re going to finish stack, and it’s up to you guys if you want to move this discussion…”

Cont’d: “…into the Park.” Sean: “I’ve got 2 things for you. One is, I was right next to Sage, trying to be de-escalation; I didn’t…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…think that was going to happen; Sage is usually pretty reasonable. But before I could react, he took 2 steps forward…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…and head butted someone. I’ve never seen this from Sage before; this is what we’re talking about. That’s what happened.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “Second thing: we have a proposal on the table to exclude someone from the movement.” He’s made similar proposals… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: …but notes that “the continued friendly amendment I always get is, would you wait until we have a grievance process?” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “I’m just telling you what previous GAs have said about what they wanted the shape of this to be.” Suggests we “not be too…”

Cont’d: “…hasty,” wait until we have a grievance process “and give him a way back into our community.” #NYCGA #OWS

OK, we’re moving to the park. “It’s not 9:45; let’s reconvene in the Park at 10:00.” #NYCGA #OWS

Ok, we’re resuming in the park w/ a proposal “to temporarily remove Sage from #OWS” until the grievance committee process is set up. #nycga

CQ: “Any idea how long it will be before the grievance process is established?” @EliOccupy and Ravi pt out they believe 2 weeks. #NYCGA

Someone from @OccupyLA says they’re “disgusted” that “this small act of violence completely derailed the GA.” #NYcGa

Sage: “I’d attend any grievance process, workshop, any homeopathic– anything that would let me be a part of this movement.” #OWS

Sage notes it feels like “you guys” are the ones who feel assaulted, asks who would “show up to talk”. #NYCGA #OWS

Bana notes that ppl are meeting weekly about grievance process, says they’ve “been discussing transformative justice circles”. #OWS

Those circles would involve stakeholders. She says anyone concerned about this issue needs to be involved in convo. #NYCSC #OWS

Someone else asks how we “make a stance to stop all physical violence,” period. “You’ve got to stop this.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next, Han. “I’ll be blunt,” doesn’t want to discard principles, but “this movement is being disrupted.” doesn’t want to wait for…

Cont’d: …experimental justice processes are finally implemented. “Then it may be too late.” supports them, but wants to act now. #NYCGA

Bana asks Libor to clarify proposal. Libor: “I’m not asking to ban him completely; let’s temporarily remove him” until there’s a process.

If Sage sits down w/ “mediation, which we do have a process in place, he’d then be allowed to concern.” #NYCGA #OWS

Darrell is concerned about putting this to long term process, suggests we suspend Sage for a week pending mediation. #NYCGA #OWS

Darrel’s amendment also suggests Sage go through non-violent conflict resolution training as well. Libor doesn’t want to put a time…

…schedule on it. “I really like it, but I’m just asking for all of us to temporarily remove him until we decide on next steps together.”

Billy: “this is like putting fire out w/ gasoline;” can’t really ban ppl from public space. “We can just stop derailing our process…”

Cont’d: “…express that violence is not accepted,” and if there’s an incident, private action can be taken. “ignore it and move on.” #NYCGA

Sumumba feels we should honor Sage’s willingness to go through mediation; refer him to Safer Spaces and medical, let him back on their…

Cont’d: ..recommendation. “Maybe after 3 meetings, 6, something like that.” Libor accepts, but doesn’t want to put time schedule on it.

Christina: “My concern about this is very substantial,” can’t ban ppl from public space, and proposer speaks for groups not consenting…

Cont’d: …including Stacktakers, kitchen, de-escalation. “I have an issue that you’re asking ppl to enforce this” w/o agreeing to it.

Christina’s friendly amendment is “that you or other ppl in support take it on yourself” to speak w/ mediation, other groups, develop…

…mechanism to deal w/ it nonviolently. Libor says he’s dealing with it right now by proposing complete exclusion. #nycga #OWS

Ravi’s PoI is that we’ve set precedent for “temporary exclusion” (not “ban”) when ppl are physically violent. Kitchen normally excluded.

Cont’d: “There have been attempts to offer mediation as part of process; ppl haven’t participated in them,” so they can’t get on stack.

Jim says he’s in favor of restorative justice, but “we’re here because the economy crashed”, can’t let “immature behavior” stop us. #NYCGA

Cont’d: “I think one thing that’s great here is ppl try to be nonconfrontational… But when there’s this narcissistic behavior, wth?”

Next: “We’re trying to respond to acts of violence instead of what’s causing them.” that’s Johnny’s concern. #nycga #ows

Ravi pulls from past proposals, asks facilitation not to put him on stack, ad loving ask Sage not to enter our space until he goes… #nycga

Cont’d: “…through a grievance process.” Sean feels it’s fine to ask mediation to go through a process w/ Sage. #nycga #ows

Sean, Cont’d: “If mediation doesn’t handle it,” the upcoming grievance process will take it on. #NYCGA #OWS

Sean proposes we empower ppl to surround individuals to surround disrupters and move the GA in response. #nycga #OWS

People don’t like that, feel we don’t need GA approval to do that. #nycga #ows

Next friendly amendment is to make sure it’s specific. No stack, not in GA or Spokes, keep distance from us. Very similar to Ravi’s. #NYCGA

Next concern is about the precedent this sets for how we deal w/ act of exclusion. “in same night, we’re moving directly to pass this..”

Cont’d: “…temporary exclusion,” not comfortable w/ that, especially indefinite term, given our emotional states of mind. #nycga #ows

He has 2 suggestions, to make it last a week, or to say “this is not the precedent we’re setting.” Ravi notes it’s the third time. #nycga

Libor appreciates it, but doesn’t want to enable continued aggression, and declines the FA. #nycga #OWS

Sage: “When I facilitated spokes, someone threatened me continually; I asked for help,” didn’t get any. “if this is a proposal for all…”

Cont’d: “…violent ppl, I’d like to propose that it go into our ongoing processes that if there are 2 witnesses to the violence..” #nycga

Cont’d: “..that even if it’s verbal violence, they’d be no longer enfranchised,” says he was verbally assaulted by ppl all day. #nycga

Sage also suggests we pass this at the next GA, to give ppl to sleep on it, make sure we’re not making hasty decisions. #nycga #ows

Libor says he’s hearing him, but is rejecting his FA. #nycga #ows

Next FA is again to set a time limit. “None of us are qualified right now to state certainly we’re not acting hastily. Let’s set at least…

Cont’d: “…*some* time limit.” suggests time limit, “whatever you wouldn’t reject.” Libor offers one month. Accepted. #OWS #nycga

Now we’re moving to consensus. “Any standasides?” 3 standasides. Sage wants to speak in his defense, not clear where in process he can.

Christine is standing aside, “as member of Facilitation, I do not feel comfortable with the burden being placed on me,” won’t accept it.

Next, @what_a_fiasco notes this isn’t first time; but we’re acting unprecedentedly hastily. Standing aside b/c doesn’t understand why..

Cont’d: …this is happening right now. Additional standasides are popping up. Stairs asks for any more to let her know. #nycga ows

Lady is standing aside b/c “this is a mob mentality process”. “I think we should table this” until 24-hour review process. “not just like..”

Cont’d: … small bunch of ppl deciding for everyone.” Next, Josh hates ostracization. @diceytroop stands aside because we’re acting…

Cont’d: …too hastily, he says; we can’t act in good conscience until we have “due process.” billy is standing aside, almost a block…

Tess agrees, stands aside. “it’s imperative we enact a policy and procedure ASAP for dealing w/ this. Can’t keep doing…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…this ad-hoc, and if we’re going to it’s especially unfair not to let him speak.” Bana agrees w/ dicey, notes this movement..

…is about injustice more generally. “We need to build a community to be more radical, create more creative ways to deal w/ this problem.”

Cont’d: “It’s a simple solution to a problem that is incredibly complex; very much falling” back into old bad habits. #nycga #os

Next standaside feels uncomfortable with process; next one feels we’re abstracting complex emotion over-intellectually. #nycga

Sage stands aside. “Sat, it was really cold; I offered to give you a space blanket,” missed opportunity to block. Notes person he pushed…

Cont’d: “…called me an idiot 7 times in a row.” “As far as yr accusation of me assaulting tht dude, I have nothing to say to you officer.”

Cont’d: “Personally, I just think if the situation was a little different,” we’d feel differently. Felt Justin came after him. #nycga #OWS

Sage: “I’m vibrating air, and the machine in your ear is yelling you I’m vibrating air, but you’re not hearing what I’m saying.” #NYCGA #ows

Sage says he’d asked Justin not to talk to him, felt that was violated, that he was defending his space. 12 standasides total. #nycga #ows

Sean: “Hi! I’m your vibes checker! You’re an angry mob!” Notes how many standasides: 12 ppl total. 7 blocks will be stated next. #nycga #ows

First block, Billy, who also stood aside. He says GA is wasting its time and using aggression to justify getting off track. #OWS #nycga

Bless’ block: “The reason I put the block up is this mvmt’s about to be about unity.” Knows Sage is a pain in the ass, “but at the same…”

Cont’d: “…time, he’s a part of this community.” Next, Daryl supports exclusion in some cases, but wants to have specific conditions…

Cont’d: “…for his return.” Bana: “This is not a solution, not addressing what’s really happening, and it’s not an emergency.” #nycga

Next block notes Sage is willing to take a week off if we come back w/ proposal w/ specific process next GA. #nycga #ows

Lady, blocking, notes we hv problems in our community, don’t look at verbal violence, violence in action, & marginalization of mentally ill.

Frankie’s block notes that Nan slapped him in the face but no action was taken, “you don’t see what leads to the problem, you only act..”

Cont’d: “…after it happens.” Sage blocks, noting that Americans have largest prison population in the world, reading statistics. #nycga

Next block: “This is my fourth GA; I’m new, from Chicago.” “my mother was a speech teacher; we have a problem listening in general.” #nycga

Tess’ block: “No way we’re a valid decision-making body now.” We’re ignoring process, talking ovr each other. “This is Occupy Kindergarten.”

Libor responds to block, indicates lack of desire to come w/ pitchfork. Asks us to think about when we’ve bn bullied, all the ppl… #nycga

Cont’d: …who’ve left due to feeling uncomfortable or unsafe. Jeff threatens @DiceyTroop for suggesting his repeated threats of violence…

Cont’d: ..are as bad as anything Sage has done. We’re moving to modified consensus. “11 against and 16 in favor, so this does not pass.”

NYC General Assembly 2/18/2012 (Minutes)

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NYC GENERAL ASSEMBLY DAY 155
Location: 60 Wall Street Atrium; then Liberty Square
Facilitators: Justin and Nick (livestreamer Nick); then Nick and Anthony; then Nick and Carrie M at Liberty
Stack Taker: Josh; then Carrie M at Liberty
Time keeper: Carol
Vibes checker: Sean
Minutes: Carrie M

Summary:
Working Group Report Backs: Occupy the Bronx (Take Back the Bronx), Facilitation, Anthony, Accounting, Sean, Queering OWS
Proposal: March 17th Action, by Housing. Consensus
Proposal: Space, by Darrell Prince. Tabled.
Discussion: From the The Anti-Oppression Affinity Group. Discussed.
Emergency Proposal: To temporarily restrict Sage from participating in the movement. Not passed.

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Tweets for Thu, 16 Feb 2012

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Hi fam! #OWS General Assembly is starting at 60 Wall. Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4. #NYCGA #OWS

“General assemblies are an optimized space for group discussions, planning community bldg and actions. We encourage this body…” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “…to discuss it further and welcome everyone to come to facilitation meetings,” Tues, Thurs, Sat at 4pm. #NYCGA #OWS

Facilitation also runs the “Intro to Direct Democracy” training at 5:30pm Tues, Thurs, Saturday at 60 Wall. #NYCGA #OWS

Lady is making this announcement for Facilitation to start us off. She reminds us we once had a Soapbox as part of GA, to “discuss things..”

Cont’d: “…people are interested and that can build the community.” Lady feels this is lacking right now. So, we’re brainstorming topics…

Cont’d: …for GA to discuss. Lady: “Anyone who’s been here since the beginning, raise your hand?” A few hands. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “Anybody just got here today?” There’s 1! “What up, my name’s Dave, I’m from Detroit.” He’s an MA in SW student. #NYCGA #OWS

He’s here in solidarity and to learn a little bit about what we’re doing and “try to adopt some of it for Occupy Detroit”! #NYCGA #OWS

Lady: “Anyone been here since October?” A bunch. “Who’s been arrested for the movement?” 8 ppl of this 30ish-person crowd. #NYCGA #OWS

Jeff is cofacilitating. “What Lady’s proposing is a breakout discussion to share info from people in the beginning, from being…”

Cont’d: “…on Wall Street, to moving to Zuccotti, to becoming part of a bigger movement.” Jeff suggests we orient each other. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “There are some ppl new to movement who have no idea about things that happened in the beginning.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “I want people to be aware that folks who’ve been here, left are still the souls that propel this mvent.” Shouts out Daniel Zeta…

Cont’d: …and Eric Alexander, people who went upstate to farms, Adash from Structure… “Oh my Lord, there’s so many.” #NYCGA #OWS

Jeff suggests we tell stories about people who’ve left to each other. “And be sure and meet and greet at least one person you don’t…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…know already.” Someone pipes up. “It’s been amazing watching this grow, being a part of it. I love you all.” #NYCGA #OWs

RT @TesselizaTC: hey @LibertySqGA – could we ask around to see if someone would be willing to ustream GA? cc: @NaSh12 @OWSFacilitation @ …

RT @TesselizaTC: #makingspaces continues w speakers from global commons trust + union for radical political economics www.owsnyc.tv @Glo …

So, we’re breaking out, meeting each other, talking about issues and challenges in an unstructured way. There’s one proposal, next. #nycga

RT @NaSh12: @HelloFrances @libertysqga @libertysqga btw: per FWG this was supposed to be an announcent about future convos #butimjustsayin

OK, so we’re coming back after our breakout discussion. We’ll hear any working group reportbacks and then move to the proposal. #NYCGA #OWS

Apparently no reportbacks; we’re moving to the first proposal, for an #OWS Bike Coalition! Mandolin’s proposal: http://t.co/XjesTX9Q #NYCGA

Mandolin: “I guess I’ll just read our mission statement.” That’s the proposal (again: http://t.co/XjesTX9Q ) #NYCGA #OWS

From the Bike Coalition proposal: “The benefits of bikes are crazy rad, in fact (insert rad statistic here) isn’t that awesome?!” #NYCGA

The Bike Coalition’s 3-part purpose: providing bike swarms during actions, providing free bike repairs to members of all communities… #NYCGA

Cont’d: ….as well as free classes, and lastly, “The end goal of this working group is to get every Occupier fitted w/ a working bike.”#NYCGA

[This is easily the best-developed working group proposal we've seen since GA began hearing them a la the ComHub rules starting 1/21. -Ed.]

CQ: “Is this the formation of a group, or are you asking for funds?” A: “It’s just the formation of a group, there are no funds involved.”

CQ: “Is stealing a bike against what we’re doing?” A: “Um… I guess…. ask yourself that question?” (All in jest!) Moving to concerns. #NYCGA

One more CQ: “Do you have bikes already?” A: “We have some ppl in WG w/ own bikes, but at the moment don’t have any bikes…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…I’m going to Bike n Roll tomorrow to check out bikes that could be sold at a discounted price to us.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “It takes getting funds and becoming a working group to get bikes.” Jeff asks for concerns or friendly amendments. #NYCGA #OWS

Anthony’s concern is “that if this WG doesn’t pass, we won’t be able to do lots of awesome shit!” He’s excited. #NYCGA #OWS

Shawn says “it’s not awesome enough!” Mandolin: “I want to take that friendly amendment to make it more awesome, Amendment taken!” #NYCGA

We’re moving to consensus, spirits high, people seem really into this proposal. #NYCGA #OWS

Restating proposal: “The proposal is for the #OWS Bike Coalition to become a working group!” Jeff asks for standasides… #NYCGA #OWS

Chris is standing aside “just for practice.” Jeff: “Any blocks?” Anthony: “I’ll block unless he does a barrel roll.” #NYCGA #OWS

Mandolin does a barrel roll. So, we have consensus! “Woooo!” Jeff: “So, now we’re fed, we’ve moved through and consensed one proposal.”

Cont’d: “We’re opening up the floor now for announcements.” Anthony: “Accounting has decided that our open meetings will be moved…”

Cont’d: “…from Fridays 5:45 to Saturdays at 6, 1 hour before GA. This Friday is our last Friday open meeting, after that, Saturday.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “And we’ll have more things that everyone can decide on. Because everyone should be involved!” #NYCGA #OWS

Anthony: “Oh yeah, and fuck Monsanto! And Free Ellis!” #NYCGA #OWS

Think Tank: “We’ve changed our schedule completely; we’re switching to a topical think tank, Monday nite, 6-8, on tactics for next few wks.”

Cont’d; “If a working group has something and wants to have an open discussion w/ the public and a facilitator, let us know.” #NYCGA #OWS

Mandolino makes an announcement for his new Bike Coalition WG! They’ll meet Tuesdays and Thursdays, 3pm, at 60 Wall! #NYCGA #OWS

Daniel has a letter from an occupier in Vermont w/ no cell phone or Internet, and wants to read it. #NYCGA #OWS

Daniel: “To the GA of #OWS in the City of New York, from Velva Diego, at the first Occupy Farm in VT. We proudly announce the creation of..”

Cont’d: “…OWS anti-mail,” in response to the loss of frequent USPS service in many areas. “This has a very real impact on quality of life…”

Cont’d: “…for millions… and jeopardize the only Federal service that specifically received Constitutional mention.” Leaves rural Americans..

Cont’d: …”with a tenuous link to their fellows.” Notes that SOPA, ACTA, PIPA, and this regards a gov’t desire to keep us separate. #NYCGA

“Whether from the fear of what the American Spring or our movement resurgent will bring, or simply from the natural decay…”

Cont’d: “…of neglect, the US is unable to ” provide for its people. “We’re key to the future of where we must go together. It falls to us..”

Cont’d: “…to build parallel structures… to meet human needs where the system no longer can.” Anti-mail will subvert need for establishment.

“It’s also our hope that we’ll satisfy the very real needs of people who cannot afford USPS or other corporate mail systems.” #NYCGA

“Should we ever nd it, we’ll have a robust network in place, autonomous of external controls.” Friends doing friends favors. #antimail #OWS

Ronnie: “Printing has been sort of a 1-man job recently; been a little difficult keeping up with it,” but he’s working w/ Printer Co-op…

Cont’d: …so that he has to do less work and we have to do a little more. Also notes Mandolin did an “avian roll”, not a proper barrel roll.

Sean: “Tomorrow, there’ll be a conversation about ‘the grievance process’ — what it would do, how it would work, etc.”

“At 110 Schermerhorn at the Quaker House, 6:30-9:30 Friday, being led by Safer Spaces WG, is a conversation on grievance process.” #NYCGA

Nick tells us about the Open Spaces meeting format that Facilitation is continuing to hold events in, “to allow ppl to have conversations..”

Cont’d: “…on their own terms. We’re having them every other Friday; next one will be Feb 24 from 6-10pm.” 125 West 23rd St, 2nd floor.#NYCGA

Cont’d: “We’d love for everyone to join us if they could; pls come.” Notes it’s a great space for conversations being had via email. #NYCGA

Facilitation will also be having open spaces facilitation trainings so people can use Open Spaces on their own. #NYCGA #OWS

Anthony: “Tomorrow, 5:00, Arab Solidarity Day! No, I don’t have the address, look it up, you guys have cell phones and everything.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “And, oh yeah, Free Ellis and Fuck Monsanto once again!” (“Fuck Monsanto!” everyone yells.) #NYCGA #OWS

Shawn: “If you want to come and be loud and have some fun, come to Grand Central Station at 7pm tomorrow for an action GA!” #NYCGA

“We’ll have teach-ins on direct democracy and teach-ins, and an open forum w/ tons of unsuspecting ppl on way to trains!” #NYCGA

OK, that’s it for GA! Thanks for reading fam. One last goodie coming up. #NYCGA #OWS

Velvet Diego’s letter to #NYCGA announcing #antimail, page 1. #NYCGA #OWS http://t.co/teuCQpdd

Velvet Diego’s letter to #NYCGA announcing #antimail, page 2. #NYCGA #OWS http://t.co/MH9WTAwQ

Velvet Diego’s letter to #NYCGA announcing #antimail, page 3. #NYCGA #OWS http://t.co/53dBxZcL

Velvet Diego’s letter to #NYCGA announcing #antimail, page 4. #NYCGA #OWS http://t.co/N6gYuWr3

Tweets for Wed, 15 Feb 2012

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RT @OccupyWallStNYC: Open Forum on Diversity of Tactics will be held at 55 Bethune St: West Village near Brecht Forum, Weds 2/15 from 1- …

Hey fam! #OWS Spokescouncil is about to begin. As usual, we’ll livetweet it here & on @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, & @LibertySqGA4. #NYCSC

Tonight, Andy Smith and @thejorobin are facilitating, so we’ll call them “Stairs” for short. #NYCSC #OWS

Stairs: “Welcome, everyone, to the #OWS Spokescouncil!” Stairs will introduce themselves. #NYCSC #OWS

Andy: “Hey everybody, I’m Andy; I’ve been around for awhile.” Characterizes himself as an “active” facilitator, meaning he’ll move things…

Cont’d: …along quickly. But if you feel we’re moving *too* quickly, “please let me know.” Jo will focus on vibes, and offers to… #NYCSC

Cont’d: …keep an eye on side conversations so she can facilitate them leaving the space and continuing outside. #NYCSC #OWS

Stan is doing stack, and @wookietv will keep time. @Buddhagem is doing Minutes! [And @diceytroop is doing tonight's LTs. -Ed.] #NYCSC #OWS

Jo: “We have some newcomers tonight,” asks if we want to review handsignals. Looks good. Andy thanks the newcomers for coming. #NYCSC #OWS

Handsignals: 1 finger in the air “is a point of information, specifically reserved for when you have a relevant factual bit of info.” #NYCSC

Put up a C with one finger to indicate a “clarifying question about an actual piece of information” relevant to the proposal. #NYCSC #OWS

Jo: “Sometimes we sneak our feelings in w/ a clarifying question; we’ll try not to do that tonight.” Notes we have stack for concerns.#NYCSC

Make a triangle w/ 2 hands to indicate “a point of process,” meaning you’d like to nudge us back onto our process if we’ve diverged. #NYCSC

“Respect the house” is a symbol that looks like making a roof over your hand w/ 2 hands. Means, let’s bring things to order silently. #NYCSC

Jo also notes that we have, in our process, standasides and blocks. “A standaside is for when your spoke group may not all agree…” #NYCSC

Andy explains a block. You use it when “you have a specific moral concern or if the proposal specifically endangers you or your principles.”

Cont’d: “It’s a very serious problem that you have with the proposal, and should be used as such.” Negesti notes it should be on behalf…

Cont’d: …of the movement; if it’s personal, it would be appropriately a stand-aside. #NYCSC #OWS

Jo: “If a group can’t come to an agreement, that is also an appropriate time for a stand aside.” #NYCSC #OWS

Andy: “A lot of us have worked with process a lot,” notes that sometimes people use direct responses “to monopolize time.” #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “If I see that, people sort of overusing process” to take over the conversation, he’ll try to prevent it. #NYCSC #OWS

Jo: “On September 17th, 2011, people from all across the US and the world came to protest the economic injustices of our times…” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “We spoke out, resisted, and successfully occupied wall st. Today, we proudly remain at Liberty Square,” building a society…

Cont’d: “…based on mutual respect, understanding, and love.” “Through our direct democratic process, we’ve come together as individuals…”

Cont’d: “…and crafted these principles of solidarity…” Here’s the full doc Jo is reading from to start us off: http://t.co/olxmZRSD #NYCSC

Andy said he felt intimidated about facilitating SC, and would like to tell us why he thinks it’s important, to find some common ground.

Andy: “This is a political institution that’s outside the political system we disagree with, and that’s really radical and incredible.”

Cont’d: “I’m someone who totally cut out frm SC for 1.5 mnths, b/c it wore me out.” But found strength to return, knowing it’s so important.

Jo tells us how grateful she is to be here. “Thank you all for being here.” Now, we’ll start off w/ Working Group Reportbacks. #NYCSC #OWS

Minutes’ report back: “Minutes WG has made some changes to the way we do things in order to better serve the needs of the GA, SC, WGs.”

Cont’d: “In the spirit of transparency, we want to make this known to” the community. They’ll read this every SC/GA for awhile. #NYCSC

“In the past, the Minutes WG has tried to create verbatim transcriptions of every meeting. This is a lot of work, and has meant that there..

Cont’d: “…has often been a significant delay to minutes being posted on http://t.co/OzXDORvv,”- caused difficulties, hampered transparency.

Minutes, in short, are now producing summaries of events more quickly on the site, and then having folks help transcribe audio. #nycsc

Archives notes that more ppl should come out to actions supporting our “brothers and sisters in the Middle East.” #NYCSC #OWS

@HelloFrances tech difficulties, can you tweet us yr announcement?

Justin of Queering OWS says they’re regrouping; tmrw they’re marching on fashion week tents, after doing makeup starting 11am at the park.

.@NegestiC lets us know that Facilitation WG will no longer be running meetings with less than a full team, tho they’ll try to train ad-hoc.

OK, so we’re moving onto setting the agenda for tonight’s meeting. “As of right now, we have 1 proposal, coming from Town Planning.” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “We also can be open to setting a few agenda items for discussion;” ppl could bring new proposals to the table as well. #NYCSC #OWS

Justin wants to start “a conversation about marginalization through scheduling design. I watch a lot of groups doing a lot of the same…”

Cont’d: “…stuff at the same time across the city.” So, “how to all get on the same page so we can make better use of the mvmnt’s time.”

OK, so Town Planning’s proposal is to try to help us make better use of our Spokescouncil time. One is to require ppl to pass… #NYCSC

Cont’d: …proposals out on paper, “so we all have time to read it.” And the other is to try to start the meetings on-time, at .7. #NYCSC #OWS

Negesti wants to add something too, says facilitation wants to talk about how to make GA/SC “a little bit safer for our facilitation teams.”

We’re trying to set the agenda order– Justin notes his item is “a can of worms,” thinks should be at the end. #NYCSC #OWS

Andy suggests we quickly address our Town Planning proposal, then move to the discussions. #NYCSC #OWS

TP: “A version of this was brought Monday; sorry Robert was angry.” Part 1 is from the WoN proposal about having a review period for props.

Town Planning’s version requires each proposal to be distributed on paper 1 SpokesCouncil before the one it’s discussed in. #NYCSC #OWS

They note that we could still make exceptions for “emergency proposals”, similar to GA. #NYCSC #OWS

“#2 is a suggestion that we start meetings ontime. When Robert brought this, it was very contentious.” #NYCSC #OWS

“All I’m really asking for us for us to agree on a social contract to show up here at 7:00, instead of 7:30, 7:45, etc.” #NYCSC #OWS

“This does bring up the question of a quorum,” Sean took all the friendly amendments that Robert refused last time. #NYCSC #OWS

Here’s the full text of the proposal. It’s wordy, so I’ll try to distill the gist of it for y’all. http://t.co/KeNVrcBt #NYCSC #OWS

So, part 1: “All proposals seeking to be on the SC agenda must be distributed via printed handout one SC” beforehand. #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “Also, all proposals seeking to be on the SC agenda must be emailed into Facilitation by 4pm of the SC it’s to be voted on.” #NYCSC

It makes allowance for emergency proposals, same as GA rules, and notes that non-proposal items need not follow these rules. #NYCSC

Part 2 is that SC will start at 7 provided that at least 20 individuals, including 7 working groups and 1 caucus, not counting minutes…

Cont’d: …livestream, or facilitation, if the facilitation team is late. The SC can draw facilitators from within its numbers if need be.

OK, so working groups have conferred, and now their Spokes will raise hands to get on stack for clarifying questions. #NYCSC #OWS

CQ: “What’s the official NYCGA feed?” A: Sean means the #NYCGA / #NYCSC hashtags for streamers to post that they are live on Twitter. #OWS

Next CQ is about the GA rules for emergency proposals: “what’s that process?” This proposal would use the same rules. #NYCSC #OWS

They also want to know why he bolded some of the text, and want to know how this is changing the current rules. #NYCSC #OWS

A: The bolded text is just to separate his “verbose” writing from the proposal itself. He notes that right now, there are no rules about…

Cont’d: …how proposals are handled in Spokes; some people post them online ahead of time, but it’s not required. #NYCSC #OWs

Facilitation explains that “an emergency proposal has an external, previously-unforseeable deadline.” Unanticipated need. #NYCSC #OWS

Archives’ CQ: “When Spokes was originally conceived, was there supposed to be a padding b/w official start time and when it started…” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “…so that Spokes could talk to other Spokes and discuss?” Jo says no, based on their review of the original SC model. #NYCSC #OWS

Jo: “There’s no process for bringing proposals to SC, and there’s no time padding for groups to pre-convene.” #NYCSC #OWS

Class War’s CQ: “Not everybody can access computers, or print stuff.” Is there an alternate way proposers can advise ppl in advance? #NYCSC

Sean notes that Outreach has a printing budget and will print stuff for you, but Negesti notes they’re overworked and there’s some lag time.

Justin notes that “Facilitation has been having this conversation” about whether burden is on proposers or the body to print things out.

Jo notes that her instinct at this point is to step in and note this is becoming a Concerns conversation; asks to return to CQ stack. #NYCSC

CQ, Queering OWS: “For GAs, we have to submit things in advance; seems like SC allows some wiggle room,” last SC a proposal came from…

Cont’d: …a discussion. “Won’t this impede on body’s need to reach agreements by this body?” #NYCSC #OWS

A notes that that was a subcomponent of an existing, known proposal. “I’m not too concerned that not always consensing on something the…”

Cont’d: “…day it’s brought forward is a bad idea.” Negesti, Facilitation, wants clarification about which version of their role was…

Cont’d: …accurate: the one written, or what he said? A: It’s what he said: it must be brought to facilitation at least one SC before. #NYCSC

Minutes is first on the Concerns stack. “If Metrocards are being distributed, the meeting will still go on no matter what, right?” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “Last week, it didn’t stop the meeting; the meeting paused by itself. If we continued to do the meeting, it wouldn’t be any…”

Cont’d: “…good, because it kind of stopped by itself. It’s doing that by itself.” Suggests housing distro MCs “an hour before Spokes?”#NYCSC

Facilitation’s POI: “We rent the spaces out for certain blocks of time; beforehand may not be time” when space is available to us. #NYCSC

Jeff notes that they officially do start an hour before, but “we can’t guarantee that will always happen due to things beyond our control.”

Cont’d: “For the past month, we’ve been here at 6:00,” at the SC and GA ppl. Jo vouches, they were here at 6, giving cards out. #NYCSC #OWS

Sean notes that last time, the meeting paused in part because a facilitator needed a metrocard. “All I’m really asking is that what’s…”

Cont’d: “…happening right now is the norm.” They’re not saying that future SC cannot ever pause the meeting, just that consensus is needed.

Next Concern, Facilitation: “Pardon us; we’ve got a nice list. First, want Livestream not be only requirement;” want Minutes required too.

Cont’d: “Secondly, pulling facilitation team from the room isn’t the best way to have a prepared facilitation team,” suggests waiting.

Bana’s concern is re: the requirement to post proposals before meeting, but “I’m kind of concerned that Weds’ spokes will be overloaded…”

Cont’d: “…as people will hand out proposals on Mon and wait til Wed, rather than doing it Wed, waiting til Monday.” #NYCSC #OWS

A: “The only reason LS is mentioned is that it’s specifically mentioned w/ in the Spokescouncil proposal” blueprint. #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “Also, what we’ve done in the past is” started with working group reportbacks, and hopefully by end, Facilitation is ready. #NYCSC

And, re: the lag, it “does sound like a concern,” says that a long weekend to talk about proposals might help them be ready to pass. #NYCSC

He also points out that we could always go back to having a Friday meeting, “if we feel we need to take Friday back.” #NYCSC #OWS

Minutes: “We don’t want to be the sole reason why a meeting is delayed. So, basically, what we’re saying is that anybody can step up…”

Cont’d: “…and take Minutes at that point in time. I don’t think a person from Minutes WG has to be physically there; if the time comes…”

Cont’d: “…and we’re not there, take a pen and a pad.” Facilitation says concerns addressed, but says a facilitation team includes minutes.

FunHub’s concern: “We’re concerned about the timeframe of 7pm. Some ppl who come from Atrium to Spokes has to leave roughly near 7…” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “…because of how late Kitchen sometimes is in getting down there.” FA is to start SC at 7:30, give arrival time, buffer time. #NYCSC

RE: the proposal part, “instead of having to announce before, why don’t you just say has to be on http://t.co/OzXDORvv 24 hours in advance?”

Both of those amendments were rejected by Sean. It’s 8:30, and Stairs notes we’ve reached time on this. #NYCSC #OWS

Jo: “There are 6 more concerns and FAs on stack; we have 2 other agenda items. How is your feeling about moving forward?” #NYCSC #OWS

Sean: “I’m happy to move forward, or happy to table it” for further work. Stairs will temperature check moving forward w/ this. #NYCSC #OWS

Jo recognizes some “down-twinkles, but it was predominantly” positive. We’ll finish stack, then move to consensus. #NYCSC #OWs

Next Concern: Archives. “I’d like to propose that we include some kind of time padding from moment we walk in to moment we start.” #NYCSC

Cont’d; “We have the ability to talk to other people and find out what’s going on,” network with other working groups. “If we start…” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “…right on time, we’re missing out on chance to talk to broader” body of occupiers. #NYCSC #OWS

OK, so we’ll temp-check making it a friendly amendment to start at 7:15 (15 minute padding)… or 7:30? Straw poll time! #NYCSC #OWS

Jo notes that we don’t need to straw poll; we can get a sense of how we feel about more than one option. #NYCSC #OWS

Andy notes that waiting until 7:15 or 7:30 “is the current process we’re using.” It just goes to proposer’s accepting or not accepting.

A: “I’m happy to say yes to 7:15.” OK, amended. Next concern/friendly amendment on stack. #NYCSC #OWS

Next, Think Tank is concerned about issues w/ Outreach being behind and/or “differential access” to printing facilities. #NYCSC #OWS

TT notes that someone suggested we get a hotspot for SC so that people can access the website at Spokes, but she wants to hear options.

Ronnie’s from Outreach, insists that they can print things for Spokes, “just don’t send things last minute.” #NYCSC #OWS

There’s some disagreement about how big of an access issue this will be, based on Outreach’s availability. Ronnie says 24-hour turnaround.

Library’s concern: “We have too many fliers in this movement! We kill way too many trees.” Throws a lot away. #NYCSC #OWS

Also, “we do have different people at every Spokescouncil; what you’re trying to do here, propose one spokes, consense the next, will…”

Cont’d: “…only prolong the process,” because different people at next meeting will go “what’s the proposal? we need to hear it.” #NYCSC #OWS

Frances’ (Library) friendly amendment: “No fliers, everything needs to be posted at least 3 days before SC so groups can confer w/ spokes..”

Cont’d: “…and want to amend that we propose and consense in same meeting.” A: “Your FA is pre-accepted as that’s how this is designed…”

Cont’d: “…the flier is just to be handed out at prev. mtg.” RE: paper, he’ll take fliers out to answer “tree concern and access concern.”

Class Wars’ concern: “Not everybody has access to computers.” Also, “We should be encouraging everyone to come to SC regardless…”

Cont’d: “…of what’s on the agenda. It’s our community,” ppl should come “just because we want to make our community better.” #NYCSC #OWS

“Also, if it’s possible for there to be a projector like we used to have over at 56 Walker, so that way when ppl come in they can just…”

Cont’d: “…look up,” and see the proposal. Andy: “So, your FA is to not bring proposals 24 hours in advance?” #NYCSC #OWS

Class War: “Yes, the way we’ve been functioning.” Proposer declines, and Andy notes he doesn’t really need to explain. #NYCSC #OWS

Andy: “A projector, is another friendly amendment.” Sean says he can’t control that, “& we’re in a spending freeze so we can’t buy one.”

Next concern is w/ language in proposal that they perceive to be condescending. A: “I concur; I forgot to take that out. I try not to be…”

Cont’d: “…snarky in proposals, but I missed that one.” C accepts, but also calls him out for equating “dedicated” and “available”. #NYCSC

Last on stack, Media. “We are concerned that OWSNYC live is typically the only team that covers both GA and Spokes, and it’s a concern…”

Cont’d: “…that the pressure would be on them to show up at 7 — what if something happens?” Steve suggests a friendly amendment… #NYCSC

FA: “Let’s change the wording so it says ‘everybody can livetweet it’ as long as they post with hashtag #NYCSC.” #NYCSC #OWS

Jo notes original SC plan says “each SC will be broadcast over the livestream, http://t.co/5bc4f1w4.” Nick notes they’re defunct now.

Jo: “OK, great. So this sentence appears to be no longer appropriate. The FA would then be to take that language out of the proposal.”

Sean amends to clarify “instead of saying ‘the official livestream channel’, it’s the practice we’re using that the stream is announced.”

OK, so we’re done w/ concerns stack. Proposer will re-read the proposal w/ friendly amendments. #NYCSC #OWS

So, proposal is that SC agenda items needing consensus must be posted online 48 hours in advance, meeting starts at 7:15 if quorum present..

Cont’d: …meeting won’t stop for food or Metrocards. Working groups will confer for a moment before we continue. #NYCSC #OWS

Stairs asks if we want to try to consense on the 3 parts of the proposal separately. Looks like we will. #NYCSC #OWS

OK, we’re back. Stairs: “Do we want to move to consensus?” Temperature check is positive. “At this pt, want to ask for standasides.”#NYCSC

Part 1: Quorum. We’ll move to consensus on that now. “Are there any standasides?” No… Blocks? No blocks. “We have a consensus!” #NYCSC #OWS

Andy: “Quorum rule! A long time coming. A seriously long time coming. Next stop, the GA.” OK, so we’ll try to consense on the 48-hour rule.

Part 2: “The ‘meeting prior’ rule.” No longer requires printouts, but proposals must be announced one Spokes prior and posted online. #NYCSC

There are 4 standasides on the proposal. Facilitation is one, indicates they’d like to see the quorum part return and be passed. #NYCSC #OWS

Facilitation are standing aside. “We’re not in agreement about this.” Just them tho. Any blocks? “FunHub is blocking; all right.”#NYCSC #OWS

FunHub: “Not all the Spokes here on Wednesdays are here on Mondays. So announcing it…” notes they themselves have no Monday coverage. #NYCSC

Cont’d: “We’re supposed to have Spokes at each council throughout the week.” #NYCSC #OWS

Yuri (FunHub) suggests it be able to be announced at GA instead, 24 hrs prior. “Tht way, the whole GA can refer to their Spokes.”#NYCSC #OWS

Sean asks if group as a whole is cool w/ having it be “one GA or one SC prior” when proposals must be announced… Yuri is nonplussed. #NYCSC

Yuri says, if it’s announced at the Spokes before and it’s Monday, he won’t hear it. Wants them to go to GA. #NYCSC #OWS

So, the block holds. We’ll move to modified consensus… 12 voted for… 2 against. Modified consensus requires 90% approval, so no go. #NYCSC

Stairs asks if we want to push through to part 3. “That’s pretty positive; we’ve got two down.” #NYCSC #OWS

We’ll now test for consensus on part 3, which sets start time at 7:15 and says “no breaks” for food or Metrocards unless agreed. #NYCSC #OWS

Stairs starts by asking for standasides: there are 7. Jo: “I’m going to offer the proposer the oppty to table the proposal” based on that…

Sean will go forward. Stairs: “Are there blocks?” There’s 1 block. Sean immediately acknowledges that 90% assent is impossible w/ 1 block.

OK, so that part of the proposal is tabled. Jo: “We did consense on a quorum, and I’d like to remind us all of that!” #NYCSC #OWS

We’ll take a short break before coming back for our closing discussion. #NYCSC #OWS

OK, we’re back. Negesti: “In past 10 days, there’s been an incident of violence” at mtgs, and Facilitators need to be kept safe. #NYCSC #OWS

Negesti asks that we switch out of Spokes mode to have this convo; I think we’re into it. #NYCSC #OWS

So, we’ll have an open discussion about “things we can do to keep our team safe,” if ppl are comfy with it. Temp check looks good. #NYCSC

OK, so we’re stacking up. Facilitators step down since there’s no more proposals tonight. That way they can chime in, too. #NYCSC #OWS

Andy: “I personally think, especially at GAs, especially as we get bigger, re-starting the de-escalation group and have them…” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “…on-site at all GAs will be absolutely crucial. Call Shadow, get him back onsite.” #NYCSC #OWS

Next, Yuri. “De-escalation: you want safety and security? That’s what they’re supposed to be there for, yes? Get them there…” #NYCSC #OWS

And with that Yuri leaves for his birthday vacation, and we wave him goodbye. #NYCSC #OWS

Someone from De-escalation says he’d love to help, but we need consensus. “What do you guys want to do in the end?” He’ll take a punch…

Cont’d: …but “do you want to keep having me take punches?” Says we need to get disruptors and violent ppl out of movement. #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “They don’t belong here. Let’s get the grievance process happening;” notes that Nan’s temporary absence slowed the urgency on that.

Next, Nathan. “A lot of people have put forward the answer of de-escalation, and I’d really appreciate if they’d be there. I think…” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “…facilitation would be very welcoming of de-escalation,” notes that maybe members of de-escalation should also be part of required.

Cont’d: …people to have a meeting. Notes tho that someone from de-escalation was very verbally aggressive a few nights ago… #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “…so, how do you hold de-escalation accountable?” #WhoWatchesTheWatchmen #OWS #NYCSC

Jeff, Minutes: “I was talking w/ Dave, and w/ Minutes it’s not the physical violence, but more how sometimes we feel like we’re employees…”

Cont’d: “…of SC or GA, rather than part of the body, like brothers and sisters?” The other day GA was like “Minutes, where you at?” #NYCSC

So, “how important is Minutes to this group?” VERY IMPORTANT. “Put that in the minutes,” someone yells. #NYCSC #OWS

Jeff: “So if it is that important, how can we get some support? Because the Minutes WG isn’t looking good right now.” Ppl dropping out…

Cont’d: “Our pride and joy right now is up to here with it, and she has to take a break. If we’re not here at these meetings, what happens?”

Cont’d: “So, how important is Minutes to the rest of the body, and if so, can we get some more people to join our working group?” #NYCSC

Dave notes “it applies to Facilitation as well,” it’s “a lack of respect for people doing logistical work” to make things happen.#NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “We have to start cultivating a culture of” appreciation and gratitude. Notes that this underlies security conversation. #NYCSC #OWS

Justin has “been seeing this conversation going on for months now;” “the time for talk is over, but I want to suggest we do a day-long…”

Cont’d: “…GA/Spokescouncil that focuses on this issue alone for 8 hours.” Convo happening too many places, going group to group. #NYCSC

Cont’d: “We’ll keep doing that until we as a group take action.” “We have all the parts together, we just have to build consensus.” #NYCSC

Will: “This is my 1st Spokes in awhile, and the reason I didn’t want to come was b/c of disrupters. It nds to be dealt w/. This has…” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “…been a good meeting so far,” thanks facilitation and the people in the room for making that possible. #NYCSC #OWS

Ronnie: “I’d just say, hey, let’s have personal accountability, so it’s not like ‘hey, someone is being aggressive towards facilitation’..”

Cont’d: “…it’s also how *we* treat facilitation before it gets escalated. I’ve seen ppl who’ve been most disruptive be the most humble..”

Cont’d: “…because they come to understand that what ppl do when they volunteer to do these things is super difficult.” #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “Don’t be aggressive towards anyone, but if you don’t like the job someone’s doing, step up, participate, and do it.” #NYCSC #OWS

Bana: “I feel disrespect is fundamentally the biggest issue we have,” “I think de-escalation is a key pt, but not the answer, b/c just…”

Cont’d: “…having de-escalation be the answer would be reactionary,” we need to be proactive. Aggression takes many forms. #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “I don’t know exactly what the answer is; we’re all on the same page. Ppl need to step up.” #NYCSC #OWS

David’s next: “I’m uncomfortable with the idea that when disrupters start up, that OK, we have de-escalation to take care of it.” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “…we have our nice police, or whatever.” Says that instead we should all take responsibility for using non-violent techniques..

Cont’d: …to deal w/ disruption, deal with it together “not by shouting somebody down,” but “learning techniques we can all use.” #NYCSC

Cont’d: “…and take responsibility to use as every person who’s a member of an assembly to help set… I mean, it’s kind of vibing…”

Cont’d: “…the responsibility has to be on all of us; we don’t know exactly what that looks like right now,” but thinks we can figure it out.

Next: “When it comes to facilitators, safety is really important; I’ve seen a lot of hot GAs go on and I’ve always thought facilitators..”

Cont’d: “…should just shut the whole meeting down.” It takes forever to get back on track; it’s weird to her to pretend nothing happened.

“There should be a point where it’s just shut down; it can’t go on.” Next on stack: Negesti. #NYCSC #OWS

Negesti: “Minutes, you are equally if not more important than facilitation. We love you. Just to be clear.” #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “But it’s not just physical violence, it’s also violent language, aggression towards facilitators.” #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “There are people here who feel if they’re not being physically hurtful, they’re not being hurtful to facilitators, but they are.”

Cont’d; “We should be acting the way we want our children to act. And that’s what I mean when I say safety.” #NYCSC #OWS

Next: “I’m glad we’re coming together about this right now.” Like Minutes, de-escalation can’t always be around. Use non-violent tactics…

Cont’d: …stop what you’re doing, don’t proceed w/ situation, deal w/ problem that’s occurring, don’t point fingers. #NYCSC #OWS

“Don’t keep going about it until it gets to the point where an individual needs to be escorted out.” #NYCSC #OWS

He notes that de-escalation doesn’t always have the same tactics. But “we can all do this, easy.” We can all stop from “flipping our lids.”

Cont’d: “We can’t be everywhere; we’re not trying to be your nightsticks. We’ve got your back,” but to de-escalate outside forces, not us.

Sean: “I’ve been working on this problem, trying to get ppl organized on it for several months,” discussion will be here Friday… #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: …on setting up a grievance process, “but the bigger question is what is this grievance process intended to do?” #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d: “Essentially what we need is not just physical de-escalation process, but something along the lines of facilitation de-escalation.”

Sean essentially suggests that our process should become de-sensitized to people who often disrupt them. He’s working on a ‘card’ system.

Sean: “We’re going to be forgiving of ppl, but we all know that repeated behavior from the same individuals” should be noted, tracked…

Cont’d: …and should lead to them being “asked to step outside of our meetings until” they go through a grievance process, still in works.

Nathan affirms idea that volunteers “step up to service position,” notes that no one wants to come to an unsafe meeting anyway. #NYCSC #OWS

He suggests that as a facilitator, the response to disruption is often as big a problem as disruption itself. #NYCSC #OWS

So, Nathan supports having us all take responsibility, but also wants specific ppl w/ role so most at meeting can try to ignore disruptors.

Safer Spaces notes that their community agreements proposal comes back to spokes on the 22nd, asks us to come support it. #NYCSC #OWS

Bana notes that, like many, she is less interested in facilitating due to disruption. But she asks that we all take it seriously, take…

Cont’d: …direct democracy training seriously, that people step up. Also notes that when people demand facilitators control disruption…

Cont’d: …it’s anti-helpful. Also, “the way power and privilege are handled in this movement” is a problem for her; when people are… #NYCSC

Cont’d: …directly aggressive, they’re labeled disrupters, but when people use process in an aggressive way, it’s not dealt with. #NYCSC #OWS

Anthony suggests “we need to check ourselves first, rather than trying to check other people.” Be cool and collected first, then talk.

Cont’d: “If you’re screaming, you’re not calming the situation, you’re pouring gas on the fires.” “We all need to train more ppl and be…”

Cont’d: “…conscious about what’s going on with everything; facilitation isn’t as easy as it looks.” Laughs. “And, forget Monsanto!” #OWS

So, Jo thanks us for being so calm and amazing and patient today. “I feel very comfortable and safe right now.” #NYCSC #OWS

Cont’d; “We usually have a minute or two of facilitation auditing.” Nathan says they did great, but “there were moments when I felt…”

Cont’d: “…the facilitation team was not impartial.” Negesti says they did an excellent job, echoes Nathan, and asks the facilitators…

Negesti says facilitators did excellent job, but asks them “to ask themselves how much space they took up during the meeting.” #NYCSC #OWS

OK, that’s it! Have a great night y’all. Thanks for reading. Questions, comments concerns, you know what it do! #ALLDAY #ALLWEEK #NYCSC #OWS

2/18/2012: Anti-Oppression Breakout Discussion

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The Anti-Oppression Affinity Group is made up of members of Facilitation Working
Group, People of Color Caucus, De-Escalation, Anti-Racism Allies, Minutes and
others who are dedicated to creating dialogue around issues of oppression,
marginalization, privilege, equity and inclusion within the Occupy Wall Street
community. We would like to propose a 20-minute breakout discussion at the
General Assembly on Saturday February 18, 2012 to continue this conversation
within the larger OWS community.

We would like for the group to break out into groups of 4-6 discuss the following
question:

1. Oppression, marginalization and privilege: what do these words
mean to you? And is that different from how you’ve heard them
used in OWS?

Bana
Alejandro
Christina L
Nathan
Kelly M.
Christina D.

2/18/2012: Proposal for M17 Action from Housing

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Whereas March 17th is the celebration of Saint Patrick’s Day in New York City,
We would like to recognize the Irish History of Oppression by the British Empire, and connect this oppression historically with oppression of indigenous and tribal people, the impoverished and working class around the world

Whereas the Great Hunger of 1847 was a direct result of the production and distribution of food and resources that was decided upon by the colonial powers
We recognize our solidarity with this history and the necessity to create awareness of the tremendous pain and suffering and displacement that has been put upon the poor and working class around the world by colonial and imperialist powers

Whereas this type of exploitation and oppression continues to this day via first world/third world relations

We propose a funeral procession on March 17th from Zuccotti Park to the Irish Hunger Memorial to lay to rest hunger and greed and welcome a re-birth of hope as we come into a new season of growing

On Sunday March 18th we are asking our allies in churches, community gardens, and community based organizations from around the city to plant seeds in their communities in recognition of our resilience and determination

We appreciate your consideration
We ask nothing from the GA but approval to move forward with these actions as OWS sanctioned

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Dear OWS Family,

As part of a series of dialogues surrounding power hierarchies, access, and accountability we would like to invite you to a dialogue on the digital environment of OWS.

Sunday February 19th

3-7PM

16 Beaver

We come together for a discussion having to with access to our inward and outward facing internet platforms. Our goal is to tease out how both our existing platforms and those that are soon to be launched can best embody the principles of our movement.

We hope to see you there!

Love and Solidarity,

Nicole Carty, Tashy Endres, and Marisa Holmes

Space Proposal

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I think what gave ows life was having a space.
I propose we make getting a space the first priority.
Live work, 10,000 + square feet.

 

Darrell Prince