Minutes for V&G Working Group 2/9/12
Facilitator: Jean – Stack: – Itzhak – Timekeeper: We – Minutes: – Michael K.
Attendees: Jean, Sati, We, Rich W., Itzhak, Joanne, Sumumba, Ray, Beebe, Tom, Michael K.
Quorum was reached at 5:50PM. Meeting then proceeded.
Two Agenda items were decided upon:
- Process: Michael proposes that to keep disrupters or worse from hijacking our open meetings, newcomers to the group, can propose, speak but NOT vote/consent to anything till they have attended 3 meetings.
- Keep on working to work through different variations of the Vision Statement.
Michael makes his proposal.
Lisa said that the problem is that, we as a working group, do not use the process – if we did really use it consistently things would be smoother.
Itzhak: Thinks that people come with different ideas to break up the process. They do not adhere to the GA approved process.
Jean: If there is a problem with process in our working group, you should all go to facilitation and get the training necessary to run a proper meeting.
Sumumba: Expands on the “coup” that happened at Wednesday’s meeting (2/8) It’s essentially an egotistical counter-revolutionary group because it didn’t respect our principles of inclusion. The movement was originally begun on anarchistic principles, which calls for consensus and horizontal democracy. Whether we agree completely with it, these are the current rules. Whether their document had merit or not, wasn’t the issue. They did not show RESPECT for the process.
Sati: The reason for the blowup, in my opinion, was that two individuals from our group couldn’t control their emotions and it could have been handled in a calmer, more even-handed way.
Lisa: Precisely my point about process. If it was in place, there would have been no blow up.
We: I dismiss the idea that this was a coup. These people had passion for their idea and just wanted to get something accomplished.
After further discussion we consent to voting on two possible decisions.
- No attendance qualifications for voting/consent privileges but process must be adhered to.
- Voting/consent privileges should not be given till someone attends (3) meetings.
Vote was taken for consensus resulting in a 4-4 tie. Motion tabled to Sunday for further discussion.
We then started to discuss the many iterations of the vision statement but before we could get into the details the clock ran out. The facilitator needed to go to the GA….and in addition, the GA had no proper facilitator…so Rich W. volunteered to facilitate.
Meeting adjourned: 7:30PM
Please note: Due to a major disturbance at the 2/8 meeting there was no official meeting of the V&G working group, however, the minutes of the meeting are posted in docs.