11/20/2011

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This is the live tweet record of the end of the 11/20/2011 GA, which the Minutes team was unable to complete due to laptop failure. Tweeted and compiled by @DiceyTroop. *Disclaimer: This material is not from the Minutes working group.*


LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:43 PM
Charlie w/ Mobile Occupation! “Been helping out w/ it; going about 6 weeks.” Proposal is on a handout. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:44 PM
Proposer: “I’d like to invite all movement groups to come to Spokes Council, as an aside regarding last convo.”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:45 PM
Proposal is for a 1-month east coast occupation bus tour that will visit 20 occupations. Working with people lending veggie-oil bus. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:45 PM
They have gone over the budget with Finance. “We’ll be traveling with 10 people from cross-section of different WGs.” Meet tomorrow from 11-2. #nycga

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:46 PM
Mobile Occupation continues: “There’s a lot of info online, at occupywithin.us.” Do we want him to read whole proposal? #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:46 PM
We’re asking the GA for $14,500 to visit 11 cities (sorry, 11, not 20) over a 1-month tour, has been working with Outreach and Movement Bldg.

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:46 PM
Based on feedback from all #OWS WGs and caucuses, we’re going to combine it and share other info, resources, initiatives w/ other cities.

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:47 PM
We’re already on national conference calls w/ other cities. Skill-sharing, communication-building initiative to link movement. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:47 PM
We think that this is very important, and feedback is that this is highly supported, so that we can take communications to next level.

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:48 PM
And just as another point of information, we already did another scouting mission to Philly, and had a very positive response. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:48 PM
PoP: “We either need you to read it, or have time to read it ourselves.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:49 PM
(They’re reading the proposal sans human mic; no way I can keep up! I’ll look for a link. -@diceytroop) #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:51 PM
Mobile Occupation proposal being read right now: http://t.co/8dxTS1DO #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:53 PM
CQ: “Who will be joining you?” A: “Been working with WGs; already have big cross-section of WGs, diversity, etc.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:53 PM
A: “Will need some flexibility so that as we go from place to place, we can address the needs and goals of each location.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:54 PM
CQ: “Is this solidarity tour with 10 people open to representatives from other occupations, or just #OWS?” A: “Great Q; has come up recently b/c as we…”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:54 PM
A continued: “…started to outreach to other occupations, some have expressed interest in participating, we’re discussing how to vet those people.”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:55 PM
A: “Yesterday, someone from Washington DC had asked if they could participate.” Consensus so far is to skype, get references from other…

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:55 PM
A continued: …members of their occupations. “So the short answer is yes, we’re open to other occupations.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:57 PM
CQ: “First, I think this is an awesome idea. I do have concerns about whether 50 people should decide major budget item.” Cont…

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:58 PM
CQ cont’d: “Also, food, we should be able to coordinate w/ other occupations. And other ppl will want to be on board; limit of 10 arbitrary.”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:58 PM
A: “Regarding 2nd concern, food, thought that might be feasible too; Philly scouting trip led us to believe otherwise.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:59 PM
A cont’d: “Philly have had a hard time w/ food since have had large amount of homeless population since they are allowed to exist.” #nycga

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 9:59 PM
A cont’d: “Some ppl have suggested dumpster dived-food; seems to me too much to ask ppl to be comfortable w/ that.” #nycga #ows

heratylaw 11/20/2011 9:59 PM
@JeffSharlet GA abbreviations r here: @LibertySqGA: text compilation of Friday Nov 18 #SpokesCouncil: http://j.mp/LSqGA1118 #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:00 PM
A cont’d: “As far as ppl, that’s the capacity of bus. As far as ppl from occupation to occupation, maybe can pick ppl up.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:00 PM
Other A: “As far as food goes, we don’t want to impose on other occupations, we want to give to them.” Would love to be caravan. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:00 PM
A cont’d: “We have big plans for the winter, working to develop a whole fleet.” Also: “Working w/ local farms as well” as we go. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:01 PM
Stairs reminds us that this is CQ stack; want to close CQ stack so we can specifically move fwd on concerns. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:01 PM
C: “Concern is with budget, how many things can be donated, as opposed to taking money from budget.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:02 PM
Drew: “Hi, I’m the tech arm of mobile occupation. RE: the netbook, any $ not used will b returned. Precautionary sum, if can’t get free.”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:02 PM
Drew: “We want to use as little of the collective funds as possible, and return as much as possible.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:03 PM
A points out it’s also a promotional + marketing tool and can bring more donations in. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:04 PM
Stairs takes temp check on extending for 10 minutes. “That looks good.” There was a CQ inaudible to me; moving into middle of GA. #nycga

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:04 PM
Sage: “In response to whether or not this group can make decisions for allocations at #OWS, the answer is yes. This is the GA.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:05 PM
Sage: ” #OWS was started from 2 things: a call for a GA, and a call to occupy wall street.” Points out many others came for other reasons.

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:05 PM
Sage: “Just b/c they think y’all are irrelevant, I encourage you not to vote yourself into irrelevancy.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:06 PM
Sage: “This is the purest thing I’ve ever seen come before GA.” As transparent as can possibly be. Affirms we can decide. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:06 PM
Sage: “Anyone that is a part of #OWS had an opportunity to be here.” “Please vote yes on this and please stay involved.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:07 PM
Proposer agrees; asks that we all encourage ppl to come to GA. Sage elaborates. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:07 PM
Sage: “This was a call for a GA to occupy wall street; a call to be heard since maybe other buildings elsewhere don’t hear you.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:08 PM
C: “I feel like a lot of this can be donated or has been donated. May make ppl more comfy if you get as many donations as possible.”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:08 PM
A: “The reason we brought budget as is research hasn’t turned up further things we can have donated.” Eliminated other things already.

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:09 PM
A: “We’d appreciate if we can save, i.e. if A&C can donate supplies,” included section about returning money not used. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:09 PM
A: “This is a positive thing; want consensus on concept to get more clout, and get more support from WGs.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:09 PM
Trish: “It looks great; it’s detailed, and I’ve never seen anything so all-embracing. My only concern is accountability and transparency…”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:10 PM
Trish cont’d: “…and looking at the money, it looks good, but we’d ask you to keep in contact week to week and tell us what you’ve…”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:10 PM
Trish cont’d: “…accomplished week to week, and we can read that in GA and know it here.” A: “Fully agree, plan to do so.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:11 PM
Proposers cite March to DC model as inspiration as far as keeping people informed on what’s going on. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:11 PM
Stairs closes concern stack. Next C: Mike. “No matter what, this is gonna be a caravan.” Ppl will jump on board. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:12 PM
Mike: “The issue w/ coordination at every city stopped at needs to be addressed. Need to coordinate w/ everyone on this” before passed. #nycga

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:12 PM
Mike: “We need to communicate this specific action to all occupations who’ll be involved.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:12 PM
A: “We’re ahead of you on that one. Already in contact via conference call, have dedicated Outreach member contacting each occupation.”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:13 PM
A cont’d: “On Tuesday, we’re having another conference call, I believe, w/ other GAs on the route.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:13 PM
A: “National conference calls started by @Occupy_DC; have same plan, will cover different ground.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:14 PM
Mike continues to grill them about food. “What have other occupations said about food, if they’ve all been consulted?” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:14 PM
A: “Some food is for during travel; if can happen at occupation, that’s good too, but want to do more outreach at local farms.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:15 PM
A: “It’s kind of a collective process w/ best practices, contributed by Kitchen WG.” A: “We have more abundance than other occupations.”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:15 PM
Next C: Gregory. “I feel kind of ignorant, b/c I didn’t hear the whole proposal.” Stairs suggests he read, then come back. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:16 PM
Trish: “What’s the window of travel here?” Month of December. “Isn’t everything frozen? Would it be feasible to do during winter?” #nycga

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:17 PM
A: “I think it’s imperative to do it now. Not sure how winter affects connecting w/ people.” Trish: “Oh, I misunderstood (basically)”. #nycga

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:17 PM
C: “I think you’re opening a door here that’s going to suck more funds than put on paper; I see it as a waste.” Can use Internet. #nycga

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:18 PM
C cont’d: “There’s going to be so many hidden costs; it’s ridiculous.” A: “Costs low due to veggie oil.” Stands by budget. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:18 PM
Drew: “I’m in the tech working group, and connections are being made via Internet, but nothing compares to being in space w/ ppl.” #nycga

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:18 PM
Drew, cont’d: “Training ppl, especially if don’t have Internet, remotely, is very hard.” Just beginning to bear fruit now. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:19 PM
Stairs opens Friendly Amendments stack. “Proposers have opportunity to accept or decline.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:20 PM
Lopey’s FA: “Create an indie gogo or kickstarter campaign that can happen during the tour,” ppl can donate as support garnered. #nycga

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:20 PM
Lopey cont’d: “Then, if you get enough to meet goal, can return to fund.” A: “Accept FA, want to know if should return $ or build to future.”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:21 PM
Next FA: “Want to know what each person’s responsibility is, and what tangible contribution they can make on each stop.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:21 PM
FA cont’d: “So, amendment is to add to document what each person will add to trip.” A: “Are you saying as FA, at a future time, add…”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:22 PM
A cont’d: “…an explanation of who we are?” FA: “Or say it’s approved pending inclusion.” A: “We already have something like that…”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:22 PM
A cont’d: “…but the broad base is to contribute overall… but this is going beyond the friendly amendment.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:22 PM
A: “In the minutes, and everything we’ve published online, it’s already in there.” A: “Does that satisfy if, before leaving, we have…”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:23 PM
A cont’d: “…a very detailed list of what we’re doing, etc–” FA: “Before the money is accessible.” A: “Don’t think we can accept it…”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:23 PM
A: “The way Drew stated it, could accept, but there have been delays and we need to get those funds.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:24 PM
FA: “To add on, when are you leaving?” A: “We wanted to leave already, but for month of December.” FA: “It should only take 3 days at max…

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:24 PM
FA cont’d: “…to come up w/ a detailed proposal or agenda or something. I guess it’s same as his; come out w/ detailed report,” not hold $.

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:25 PM
Stairs: “Will you accept an amendment that we’ll detail all individuals and roles before we release the funds?” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:25 PM
A: “Can’t accept, because we want to get things in motion, even before solidifying who says they’ll go.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:26 PM
FA: “My amendment is in regards to the food thing,” believes occupations will welcome w/ open arms. “Can 6k for food be given to food…”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:26 PM
FA cont’d: “…be unlocked if you need it?” Could wire it to you if you need it. If not, go back to general fund. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:27 PM
Stairs: “Proposal seems to be that Kitchen WG rep will hold $ and wire if you need it.” A: “No, we decline, b/c we believe we can have…”

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:27 PM
A cont’d: “…someone in our own group handle the money and return to OWS if we don’t need it.” Reverse of FA. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:27 PM
FA: “Can that person be accountable for food $?” A: “Yes, if that’s the FA, we accept.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:28 PM
FA: “Have a donation list before you leave, so you can make sure to get everything.” A: “Accepted.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA3 11/20/2011 10:28 PM
@LibertySqGA3 Here’s Mobile Occupation proposal: http://t.co/wDKgcARF @diceytroop

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:30 PM
Lopey PoPs to ask if previous amendment was accepted, re: kickstarter/indie gogo. Adds “if you go over goal, apply to future.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:30 PM
A: “I see the amendment to your amendment, which clarifies question; kickstarter will pay back #OWS and excess to Mobile Occupation. #nycga

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:31 PM
FA: “Can you have GA vet attendees on Thursday, before departure?” A: “We will submit, but not have GA vet.” FA: OK. #nycga #ows

NEREphotography 11/20/2011 10:27 PM
@LibertySqGA3 can I get a clearer understanding about the #roadtrip that is being discussed. I have been 2 13 occupations & would like 2 help

heratylaw 11/20/2011 10:31 PM
@NEREphotography here’s the Mobile Occupation proposal: http://t.co/VvoEz93n

heratylaw 11/20/2011 10:58 PM
@NEREphotography You should get in touch with the Movement Building working group. Visit nycga.net for more info. #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:31 PM
Stairs asks proposers to restate w/ accepted FAs. They’re doing so right now. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA 11/20/2011 10:31 PM
GA continuing @LibertySqGA4! Have stopped at @LibertySqGA2 and @LibertySqGA3 on the way. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:32 PM
Stairs asks for a temp check on this proposal. “Looks pretty good,” someone notes not 9/10ths. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:33 PM
Stairs asks that we all participate and do it again. “Looks pretty good,” some are mixed. Asks to sit so we can better check. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:35 PM
Jason: “I want to take opportunity to discuss consensus. This gets rid of idea of voting; consensus is a process of resolving concerns.” #nycga

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:36 PM
Jason: “You may not like a proposal, but choose not to block it.” Notes folks are considering use of stand-asides. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:37 PM
Mike points out he’s only at a middle b/c there are other things he wants to add, and doesn’t know how since FAs are closed. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:37 PM
A: “Please let us know what your concerns are, we’ve worked hard for a long time on this and want to address yr concerns.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:37 PM
Gregory: “For me, there has been many question/concerns about $ of this movement and the ppl who control that, and for me, and I’m choosing…”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:38 PM
Gregory: “…to say it like this, is boys acting like boys, to take opportunity to have a road trip and do what they do.” Notes seems to be 2 groups

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:38 PM
Greg: 2 groups: “People who are doing things and the general public; seems to be no transparency there.” A dealbreaker for him. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:39 PM
Greg: “People in this community haven’t engulfed this movement,” no transparency, he says. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:39 PM
A: “We agree about transparency; we’d like to be an example of pure transparency.” Doesn’t want to be grouped in, haven’t gotten penny yet.

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:39 PM
A cont’d: “And I’ve been using my vehicle for emergency services since week one.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:40 PM
Mike: “I think it’d be awesome for the caravan to serve as a role model; it’d be really cool to have an itemized spending budget as you go.”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:40 PM
Mike cont’d: “I just want a tab to be there, updated with every expense.” A: “Every other day?” Mike: “Totally.” A: “Yes!” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:41 PM
Stairs interrupts to temp check continuing process, extending time. We’re good. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:41 PM
C: “I think this sounds in general like good idea, want to connect occupies. Concern is around representation re: limited # of ppl here…”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:42 PM
C cont’d: “…the vetting process is not exactly clear.” Doesn’t want to be a fun road trip, a fully interactive process. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:42 PM
C continued: “Also concerned about representing OWS, since it’s a small group of ppl going around, no matter how framed.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:43 PM
Stairs notes that we can address these concerns, but normally would have gone to blocks. Wants to close stack. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:43 PM
Stairs proposes taking 3 concerns at a time, then response. #nycga #ows

bebird 11/20/2011 10:43 PM
@LibertySqGA @libertysqga4 @libertysqga2 @libertysqga3 man you r extraordinary

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:43 PM
Nathan’s C: “You haven’t established what your achievable goals are.” Same as before, thinks groundwork not solidified yet. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:45 PM
Trish’s C: “How many of you were at GA last night?” Brings up her GA quorum amendment, says seen too much $ approved w/ small #. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:45 PM
Trish: “In all good consciousness, I cannot go along with it based on small # of ppl.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:46 PM
A: “I was at 1st GA, Aug 2nd. There’s going to have to be a level of trust that we’re not going off to have a huge party.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:47 PM
A cont’d: “We’ve been working on this for weeks. There’s a lot of groundwork hard to summarize; having seen $ go thru GA, never seen…”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:47 PM
A cont’d: “…a proposal as detailed as this.” Points out that at GA, there are a variety of viewpoints: why not everyone has to be here.

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:48 PM
A: “There will be extreme transparency; I assure you — you have no reason to trust me, but trust me: I’m very concerned w/ transparency.”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:49 PM
C: “I agree with comments on transparency; why hasn’t spokes heard this?” PoI: “It’s not operating yet.” A: “We’ve reached out to all WGs.”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:50 PM
C: “I like the idea, think yr budget is low: concern is because objectives are so abstract, I’m wondering if cost/benefit makes sense.”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:51 PM
C cont’d: “If you could tweak it a little bit — I’m not sure $14,000 buys us the impact that it might otherwise buy us.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:52 PM
C: “We need to know what the benefit will be,” want to make sure networking happens ahead of time. Next C: Make effort for diversity. #nycga

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:53 PM
C: “Regarding quorum, personally, we have to work w/ whatever # we have.” Can’t just suspend b/c no quorum. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:54 PM
They’re detailing their networking: have a process in place, in use. Already used it to help Movement Building WG. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:55 PM
A: “As far as transparency, we’ll continue excellent record we already have.” Everything is available. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:55 PM
A: “Re: diversity, as mentioned many times, will continue to reach out,” which is why tangible achievable goals are not narrowly defined. #nycga

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:56 PM
A big ups Drew’s involvement in nycga.net which is a good look judging from how it’s received! #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:56 PM
A: “Also based on feedback, what we anticipated ppl wanting, they wanted in Philly,” not to say will be same. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:57 PM
A cont’d :”Movement building, skill sharing, mediation, other skills,” want to plant seeds that can grow organically, sustainably. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:57 PM
A: “And even for smaller occupations, just to have someone come guest and host GA w/ facilitation training will be big for them.” #nycga

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:58 PM
A: “And, we’ll see other processes and can bring that back, which is very useful to us!” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:59 PM
One PoI: “Lopey reminded me that concern about funding is addressed by her FA and the donation FA.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:59 PM
A: “I want to acknowledge that this has been long and exhaustive, but it’s necessary!” Glad we’ve stuck around to have this convo. #nycga

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 10:59 PM
Stairs takes temp — looks good. Blocks? One block. “We’ll hear from the blocker; he’ll make known his concern.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:00 PM
Stairs: “Before we have the block, want to reiterate it’s very serious.” Must be moral, ethic, or safety concern. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:01 PM
Block: “I think you’re very naive about this road trip. I think you’re going to run into obstacles that you cannot foresee…” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:01 PM
Block cont’d: “…I think there’s too many issues that need to be resolved here in New York. I think you’re boys being boys, and I reject it.”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:02 PM
A: “I respect yr opinion; it’s really not what our intention is and I hope we’ve made that clear. NY hs 10s to 100s of 1000s of supporters.”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:03 PM
A: “And I want to remind you that we’re going to give the money back.” Stairs now doing count of ppl who support and oppose. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:04 PM
2 ppl just showed up and want them to re-explain the proposal. (Ed: _____________ ). #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:07 PM
We’re moving to 9/10ths consensus, counting yeses and nos. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:09 PM
34 for, 6 against. 9/10ths requires 4 votes against. “We don’t have 9/10ths consensus.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:09 PM
Sage: “There are ppl who left this discussion because if went on for 2 hours. Put yourself in position of proposers.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:10 PM
Proposer: “Please come to our meeting.” Meet all day, set time from 11-2. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:11 PM
Sage: “I left facilitating this mtg b/c in the 1st 1.5mnths of GA, A&C always got money, while ppl were sleeping in the rain.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:12 PM
People are PoP’ing, apologetically. Proposers gracefully asking folks to help them work out their concerns. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:13 PM
Next: an emergency proposal, which we’ll hear and then decide whether it’s an emergency. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:13 PM
Proposer: Apparently it was a facilitation mistake that it didn’t go online. Time sensitive b/c it’s for black Friday. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:14 PM
P: “The proposal is that #OWS adopt this statement and send it out via our various media and networking channels.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:14 PM
Proposal is for a day of non-action: 11/25: “Don’t Occupy Wal-Mart!” ” #OWS stands for economic justice and opposes unethical business…”

heratylaw 11/20/2011 11:14 PM
@BrtndrOfFortune NYCGA posts upcoming proposals at http://j.mp/OWSfGA, if anyone needs an example… #ows #oo

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:15 PM
Cont’d: “…practices, both on Wall St and on Main Street.” Reasons Wal-Mart applies. Asking for Wal-Mart boycott. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:15 PM
Wal-Mart relies on this… and on this one day, we ask: just don’t go. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:16 PM
We’re all pretty warm to this. Any clarifying questions? Q: “Do you need money?” A: “No.” Q: “Oh, OK, you have our vote.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:16 PM
Q: “Is this just about Wal-Mart, or about other stores?” A: “Targeted at one store for simplicity of focus.” Chose worst offender. #nycga

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:17 PM
Q: “What about buy nothing day?” A: “I’m trying to shift ppl’s habits a little, not ask them to change completely.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:18 PM
Q: “Would you consider… I’ve been thinking about wanting to raise consciousness about self-checkout.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:18 PM
Q cont’d: “They’re essentially thwarting cashier jobs.” Asking if he’d somehow bring this subject into realm of discussion. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:19 PM
A: “I understand; won’t fit this proposal, but will happily apply to other ones.” Stairs notes PoP, not related to this specific proposal.

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:19 PM
We’re very affirming of that idea though. A: “That sounds like a great future action.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:20 PM
Next: “My concern is that you don’t make an attempt to express solidarity w/ Wal-Mart employees,” wants to make FA. A: “Quite acceptable.”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:20 PM
Now, friendly amendments. FA: “I’d request that you would make a very specific statement expressing our solidarity w/ employees…”

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:21 PM
A: “How about, ‘We ask on this day that all occupations, and all in the 99%, and Wal-Mart employees, in solidarity?’” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:21 PM
FA: “In supporting them as members of the 99% who cannot form unions…” Proposer is working out language. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:22 PM
FA: “We as members of the 99% wish to make it apparent we support Wal-Mart employees…” She trusts him to finish it. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:22 PM
Jonathan’s FA. “How about taking it a step further and somehow giving back to those who actually need something?” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:23 PM
A: “I’m working on that in different ways, and stuff for Thanksgiving, but doesn’t fit specifically Wal-Mart for Thanksgiving.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:23 PM
Gregory’s FA: “Let’s boycott everybody.” A: “Can’t fire that off in 4 days.” Gregory: “OK.” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:24 PM
Stairs closes stack on FA, we move fwd w/ consensus. “Can we take a temperature check on how we feel about this?” Proposer will restate.

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:25 PM
Proposal: Wants us to ratify a national day of “non-action: Don’t Occupy Wal-Mart.” I’ll photograph the text. #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:25 PM
Someone asks to clarify if non-unionized worker point will go into FA; it will. #nycga #ows

TellyStern 11/20/2011 11:25 PM
@LibertySqGA4 Why can’t they form a union? Are they unemployable?

heratylaw 11/20/2011 11:33 PM
@TellyStern There are laws against forming unions @LibertySqGA @LibertySqGA4

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:26 PM
Stairs asks for consensus: We have consensus! WOOOOO CONSENSUS. “And as an added bonus, we’ve completed our agenda for evening!” #nycga #ows

LibertySqGA4 11/20/2011 11:27 PM
We’re finishing with a unity clap! Woohoo. Stairs: “We’ll now have the people’s soapbox! Facilitation meets daily @ 4, 60 wall.” #nycga #ows

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