When I created this document, I was thinking about people wanting to help with the website, but any project would have similar needs in terms of being able to process “volunteer” efforts. In a future release we may want to investigate making projects a “custom post type.” FYI A custom post type is like a blog post, but it is likely to not appear in the flow of regular blog posts, as opposed to having it’s own “view” similar to a listing of posts within a specific category. Custom post types have their own set of custom fields, which makes them well suited for catalog types of entries, e.g. a library of books or a catalog of films with reviews.
If we do consider projects as a custom post type, I suggest we stick to very minimal functionality, e.g. project name, short description, tags, and a link to wherever the details of the project are actually being managed. We should not be creating our own project management system.
I am imagining a “many to many” relationship between groups and projects, i.e. zero to many groups may participate in a project and each group may be connect to zero to many projects. A project with zero groups involved would be an “orphan.” The number of groups connected with a project would be an interesting variable as a possible filter.
Please review this tool/approach that was just offered up to the e-mail list (key info pasted below). the dev says it would be easy to make “checkbox list” of working groups interested in to make form generic or look to creating one per working group so they can have their own interview questions for the form.
I called and spoke with Mark Pruce about what he just prototyped and put online, it can be secured to where the result form is view-able by people who have been invited to the resulting spreadsheet with the volunteer data.
IMHO this would be somthing to start using NOW, and then as FLO can take the activity as a job jar activity (and ID where it will run), this would be an application a php developer would be able to create very quickly, but it would require a programmer each new group that came online.
From what I understand the google UI for setting this was was easy to use. A forwarding URL that is specific can be set up or just simply linking to the google URL to keep it simple.
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I created this simple Google Doc Form to gather all volunteers’ information in one place. Please excuse the lame template – it was done in 10 minutes because I think we need something like this.
Unless anyone has any strong objections – I say anyone with an interest in volunteering should be sent to fill out this form and the next time anyone from the working group has a need for a specific skill, they can go reference the spreadsheet.
As noted in the form’s instructions: all information is open to the public (and saved in a google doc), so people are urged to keep that in mind if listing a phone number, for example. Anyone can see it but no one except me can edit it because I don’t think there will be a need for that.
Speak up if you think this is a terrible idea, otherwise – fill it out if you have skills to volunteer.
The results spreadsheet is set to be available to anyone with a link – which means it should not show up in search results or anything, but all you need to do it click on the link below or fill out the form itself to see the results:
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The UI to make a Google Form is definitely easy and I do think it is a good way to begin a spreadsheet full of people with specific relevant skills who want to help. This is the same thing we did the other day to find WordPress Plugin devs. I made a google for that was linked to a spreadsheet and we sent it out on the Google Group, @Occupywallstreet twitter account, and on craigslist. We got about 16 responses right now.
I’ve been looking for a super simple first-step solution for a collaborative project proposing plug-in. (Not to be confused with project managements tool) So far I found a simple solution based on advice from a discussion thread.
The idea is to use a simple classified plug-in with WP. The plug-in that I found and tested was “your classified Ads” plug-in.
Through customizing of fields people can POST the following:
1- PROJECTS (proposed) Users list projects for the GA, along with the scope, budget, and research, etc. Other users then can join the project that they like as a team member. Once a project has the require number of members it need a team is formed to actually start working on the project. Users can also contribute tips/suggestion in the process. After a project is complete, details can be pluged back into the project description for record and reference for other projects.
2- SKILLS OFFERED – users can offer skills. Unlike profile skills which list ALL SKILLS. This allows people to list publicly the skills they are CURRENTLY offering. Say of all my skills I want to do a book/pamphlet design, i would list that only. Once they are contacted for that skill they can remove the “skill ad”
2- ITEMS OFFERED – Similar to skills offered, people post items. Like for example I have a laser printer, I can put it up for offer.
3. SKILLS WANTED – Besides project-concentric postings, the same users can post SKILLS WANTED, this ad would hit those people with skills who don’t care about what that the project theme is, arts, health, outreach.
4. – ITEMS WANTED – similar to skills wanted.
I came up with this for use in the Arts & Culture committee, but feel like it can be applied to all.
What does it mean to connect this with facebook, google, and twitter instead of functioning as its own independent network removed from corporations?
It’d be hilarious if, instead of ‘Likes,’ people could ‘Occupy’ other people’s activity on the stream
“Ben is occupying Barbara’s activity”
“This picture has 12 occupiers”
Might be confusing from a semantic perspective, but think of the lulz!
We were thinking of giving “twinkles”. Roll over and the fingers animate.
No matter what I enter when I try to register I get the following message !
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I had an event added to the nycga.cc page, but it isnt showing up here. The details are below, please add it to events so people will know about it.
Working People’s Group
This Thursday 10/20 9pm Meet at big red statue in corner of the square and then we can move
This Sunday 10/23 4pm Same meeting place
For those who would like to stay involved in #OcuupyWallStreet but have to work elsewhere for most of the day/night.
This group will start out as a discussion group to brainstorm on:
1. How to stay involved in the Occupation while also having to work
2. How to meaningfully contribute to the movement
3. How it feels to be working wage labor while also fighting for economic justice
4. What this movement can mean outside of the physical square
5. How to attract other workers
6. How to healthfully balance time
7. Whatever else we come up with!
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I would ask that even though you are committee, you are careful to not leave the assembly in a place, which is just as uncomfortable as being evicted from your home.
You have only taken a small step where a much larger one awaits.
The funds will begin to dry up with inaction.
As for the weather, it will drive some of the protestors to go home to a more comfortable existence.
Your most important action at this time is to approach WORLD religious leaders (who have promised their followers peace) and talk about a new rewards/incentive program for society; one that treats everyone equitably.
Progressive thinking requires getting past the idea that anything existing can be modified to suit humanity’s needs. Before people discovered the limitations of the planet, people felt ‘ownership’ was the way to security – help protect what I’ve discovered; and I’ll hep protect yours. That is where all existing policy has come from. Just as the Magna Carta, and Declaration ushered in new thinking; society by way of the advancment in communications has developed new perceptions of the things around them. AND this species is not going off this planet anytime soon en mass.
In truth, ALL THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE PLANET BELONG TO ALL THE SPECIES, NOT JUST TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHOSE PARENTS HAPPENED TO PERCHED ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, OR USED ACQUIRED MONEY TO GET IT.
The existing business and government are going to need to be eased into something more equitable. They will say their education and what they have done entitles them to more, but in truth, if all or most the manual laborers in society and people in the service industries where to up and stop working, what would get accomplished? That will get their attention.
Everybody, even with a lack of education, has actually built society. The existing wealthy and powerful will say it is through their efforts it has been done, and it has but only in part – but they are getting all the benefits of the labors. THIS IS THE FOCUS. They can’t do without you.
An example of one flaw in society: The ‘alleged intellectual educational’ system, condones this kind of thinking for the only intellectual reasoning species on the face of the earth: When a person gets sick or injured, add a penalty on them, by charging for getting them back to health – thereby adding a burden already on a burden. And lets not forget the businesses like insurance and pharmacuticals who are profiting off sickness and injury.
Besides the above mentioned example, the alleged intellectual educational community, condones an economic system that doesn’t treat everybody fairly, one that fails, fails, and fails time again, impacting the less wealthy more than those who are protected by it.
How many more examples do you need to see, to realize you need the help of people who God put there to help you change these things?
This must be a global effort, or go home now; because you are wasting people time trying to just get the opinion of the people.
You know what you know, but that is not good enough; and you are only holding back the thing which NEEDS TO HAPPEN, by not getting other people involved.
Get all the other occupy or protest organizations together with a collective plan, NOW.
Don’t underestimate my authority, or I will bring alot worse against you, and to prove my understanding.
Start with this understanding:
Since light waves are reflecting off a surface right now as you read this – as the only thing happening with photons entering the eyes and the conversion of them resulting in sending electrons across the synapses of the mind; what within you is telling you this is a communication you need to pay attention to? Photons and electrons have no special ability to convey wisdom or emotion. That is generated from within you. With the sequence of my words I am telling you something to pay attention to. Words are everything, and the only distance between the two of us is in the words we use. There is no time or space as far as I am concerned; because they are only words. If you make a decision to do as I say, have you not traveled to a different place in your thinking, even if you did not move a muscle? That is where I live; solely in words; and I know the hearts of men in the words of men; and your’s do not please me. And that is for you to change.
This is what it means to be in the spirit. I can affect change in other men, without even communicating with them, becuase we are only separated by the words we happen to be using; and that is all that separates you from bringing down the oppressors. average person has 3000 thoughts a day; and it has only been the thoughts of people which have built what you see. Something greater is within. It is called ‘intent’ and purpose. I have no ‘intent’ to seek recognition for anything which I do; and you must do what you must do for what is to place.
You started it; now you must finish it; and you will get help if you seek it in the right places. We work together; or you are my enemy.
A sign will be forthcoming shortly after this message is read to the committee, even in part. You are not to make my presence known.
I really can’t say this enough. The entire world has joined us in a battle to fight greed and corruption in governance. This idea that by changing a law or legislation in the U.S. and hoping that money gets shuffled around better for only our citizens is disgusting (as disgusting as the greed that got us into this mess). It feeds back to a idea that says us first and you second, like some kind of global trickle down economics. Which disregards the hundreds of thousands of other human beings who put themselves in harms way around the world to show solidarity against this flawed system. People all over the world believe our freedom provides a unique opportunity to create global change (as has always been the case since the inception of our government) towards a system of true freedom for all people. It’s one of the epithets of the Declaration of Independence that we are ALL equal human beings regardless of where we happen to live. This is our chance to create real change, produce a new global society of free people who will protect and improve our planet, way of living and quality of life. Don’t waste time or effort in petty political pursuits, they will eventually lead back to the place we are now. We’ve made laws in the past because we could not find real solutions and it required prohibiting behavior. With our knowledge, technology and new all encompassing democratic processes there is a real potential for creating a new system of access for all people needs to be met, this should be our goal. Believe in and fight for true change and don’t settle for anything less.
I’m with Franklin! This is the time for considering alternatives.
I would just drop the God stuff, help all eat, have shelter, be taken care of medically and prevent oppression and exploitation. Thus we will find peace. I do not, nor would not expect society or any form of government to promote “God”, in my opinion God and spirituality are subjects best left to individuals.
I agree about the god stuff.
Agreed, the concepts of god and spirituality are debatable at the individual level and within the individual, thus should have no place in government, not even the faintest hint at promotion or denial.
Orlando wants to drop “The God stuff”. I cannot help it but to be reminded how “Socialism” or the next stage of “Communism” was spread in the last century. The two main things the “working people” demonstrated were 1) Equality 2) Dialectical materialism philosophy – which means humans don’t need help from God we can do it ourselves mentality. Those two points led to create poor people in the society and rich governments with uncontrollable corruption. Just go back and read history.
I agree our society have gone to the other side of the pendulum of “forgetting the working class” and “enriching the rich” and must be corrected. However, we must not forget our constitution and values that made us one of the best in the world. Let’s keep the balance. As long as you give me freedom and peace, I will take care of my poverty myself.
The reason “The God stuff” was dropped in the last century, was because for at least the last 2,000, “The God stuff” “led to create poor people in the society and rich governments with uncontrollable corruption. just go back and read history.”
You should take your own advice and “not forget our constitution”. There is no “God stuff” anywhere to be found within it.
By the way, just who are you asking to give you “freedom and peace”?
“Don’t underestimate my authority, or I will bring alot worse against you” and “A sign will be forthcoming shortly after this message is read to the committee, even in part. You are not to make my presence known”
So, you’re God? Or God’s spokesperson?
Seriously, Ariel, you need to take a breath. Or – seriously, not to be sarcastic – your meds. This kind of self-aggrandizing fantasy (or worse) just makes the movement look ridiculous.
ken g. the memo said this is mission to have all be heard back off ariel pace ken g. for ariel and read back keng to ken g
I love what Franklin wrote
Franklin great comments
Ariel you have good proposals but your insistence on the omni-potentate is a bit over the top to put it lightly. The written story of people of this planet is rife with the “do good or I will punish you idea”. It leads to more harm than societal benefit, if you allow us to flourish without the threat of punishment we will see your ideas as viable. Your comments as one rightly put will cause others to view the movement as “loopy” to put it lightly.
Thank you for your comments Orlando and ken I second your statements. Have a great and open exchange is worthwhile for development. Ariel’s opening statements on the education, economy and wealth/resource distribution is right on. The comments concerning the use of labor by the “elite/wealthy/power brokers” spot on. There is much meat in these comments as long as we don’t focus on the deliverer of the message the “message” might get through. The format of this forum is great for this type of message delivery as we can gleen from the message what is useful/beneficial at the moment and leave those comments not deemed useful right now……..
ith what is the societal benifit if there is no living life left to play with ith
I am agree with Ariel. It’s time to open our eyes and see further than our prearranged believes.
Will your group eventually make the following demands to Washington ? If not, why ?
Congress men & the senators should take a cut in pay, have the same health insurance available as the general public, and forfeit their pensions (as most of us have had them taken away).
CEOs have a specified cap put on their salaries and bonus until at least this crisis
Thank you – Jill
Ariel. Wow. This sort of thinking truley reflects the diversity of the 99%. Where I live the thing is the thing.
TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS!
It all comes down to our elected officials letting it happen. We’re presently electing “Bogdonovitchs” – candidates who thrive on gaming the system for ever more money. Instead we need to elect people who thrive when doing the will of the people. But they can’t compete in today’s mega-money political environment.
Would it be possible to GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS without a revolution against capitalism? Note how the statement of the “Occupy WallStreet NYC” General Assembly resembles the early statements in the Declaration of Independence. How can voting save us when the rich own the government?
we have to vote for each other instead of them. not use money to influence decisions
In an interview tonight between Michael Moore and P. Morgan, Michael informed us that we have good new! He went on to state, “The richest 1% of the nation, only have 1% of the vote.” We need to find the candidates that truly speak for the people. They exist but have failed the political advertisement/fundraiser games. If anyone finds more like Ralph Nader I will gladly make my first political contribution.
Young Adult, Social Worker, Proud member of not 1%
we dont need money. We need organization. Its like the Army if you have 5 or 10 main heads of the movement that are responsible for a certain amount of people and those people have responsibility for a certain amount of people and so on. then spread the word of who to vote for would stick. but there should be some type of web site that people can go to and obligate to, saying that they will vote for “candidate” before the actual voting day so that a way people see that there vote is not a lost cause.
Voting for each other as opposed to ‘them’ works only in a perfect, but what about an imperfect system? Clearly, our system in place is imperfect — otherwise there would never an OccupyWallStreet movement. If you elect a ‘good guy’ or ‘one of us’ but send him into a room full of ‘bad guys’ or ‘them’ with just as much power (but more numbers, experience and etc), it’s not going to get anywhere — and if it does that anywhere either won’t be the desired destination and most likely will be done unpeacefully. 50 Cent recently took to his blogs (Thisis50.com — one of the largest Hip Hop blogs in existence) to ask the world why we all stopped caring in feeding homeless children, why our culture has become so drug obsessed and why our system on wall street is so fatally flawed. This is coming from a rapper that does not do drugs, owns countless corporations and is one of the wealthiest entertainers in history. He plans to feed a billion kids this year and spread the news of Occupy Wall Street. We don’t need to simply vote ourselves in, that’s what we’ve been trying and failing. We need to change corporate laws, the way our government practices and rewrite stupid laws like ‘you can’t use a megaphone during a protest’. We need to change the system and then put in politicians that fight for the people. I’m not encouraging revolt, I’m encouraging a rewriting for many of our system’s laws and policies. The world changes every day, our government and our most powerful corporations need to in order to be applicable to real life people like ourselves during times like these.
Unlike then, we have a vote. If you continue to vote for those politicians that accept lobbyist money then you are at fault.
Agreed that we cannot vote for the politicians that accept the lobbyist money, but the problem that occurs to me is… Who CAN we vote for? It seems impossible to make it to any office because of the money required if a politician doesn’t accept the ubiquitous money or have their own form of independent wealth (which of course brings it’s own corruption). Yes, we must get ALL the money out of the election process.
Just a wild idea – perhaps the playing field might be flattened if all contenders for any office ran completely anonymously (by number or code?) using only a text web-site (that was standardized in size and format) so that an individual could be judged on their words alone. Of course this would require a some sort of resume of past experiences and voting choices. Again, for something like this to work, it would have to be completely standardized and as such it would have to allow by multiple choice (or the likes) for the many possibilities of ones past experiences.
I realize, at this point, it’s not well thought out and not very workable, but I’m just trying to put forth some ideas to stir the pot of thought.
The truth is that “we” (center left and left) have more votes than “they” (center-right, right) and so if everyone who is of age were to vote we would consistantly have a center-left government that would hopefully be more responsive to the needs of the most of the people, most of the time. Highest and best use.
If one thing, just one thing, happens with this new movement it would be to get each and every elligible voter out at each and every election.
Then-change the laws. It will take a very long time, but if we don’t vote it will be never.
Yes it is possible to get money out of politics without a revolution against capitalism. Capitalism is just an economic system based on little intervention of the state in economic affairs. But the problem we are protesting is rooted in strong ties between a corrupted government and big corporations.
The real problem, is that the government let these injustices happen, and sometimes even encouraged them (bail-outs, favorable regulations). And the reason why the government did that, is because it is composed of people who where elected, not by the People of America, but by whoever had the most money. And this happened because the law allows lobbying and privately funded campaigns.
If we change that, then politicians won’t be driven by money anymore, but by a will of doing the best for the people. Which is how democracy works. And this has nothing to do with capitalism.
The real problem is that the PEOPLE who are responsible for the corporations and “our” government (for those accepting the current “for” the people version of the constitution) are not acting FOR the people. One must respect, value and uphold the position of leadership within any community; and sustain resistance toward greed, self interest, power and control. To be a public servant is to quite simply serve the public. Nothing speaks louder to me than the crowd yelling “who do you serve?” at the police. The same holds true for ANY government official. No life is more important than any other on this planet. We each hold a purpose for our role on the earth at this point in time. That role must be respected by all………period. Every life has value – every single one.
The police serve the public, and the public is not defined by the crowd. The voice of the public is written in the laws which the police are paid to enforce. The chant ‘who do you serve’ is only effective if you are calling to an authority higher than the voice of the public. Crowds are not that voice. To believe and act differently is hubris.
The Police really don’t give a rat’s ass about the laws they uphold. They merely follow the whims of the mayors that are appointed over them for good or bad.
James sorry but you’re really off track…
the people is above all those laws and the individuals working in position of authorities are manipulated by the laws to break them. What is coming right now is the profound understanding of our fundamental rights that are being violated by the people hired to serve us. If they step outside of their rights and duties, they are not immuned by their positions. What is happening right now is that as soon as the people will be able to have their own common law courts, the people who steped outside of their rights and duties will be help accountable for what they do. It is their duty to understand thier limitations into their jobs and not violate people’s rights just because they are told to do so by their supervisor giving them orders. By not knowing and understadning their limitations they are themselves comiting crimes and breach their oaths and this is good for all orders of men anywhere.
The Armed Forces of America belongs to the People of America, not to the Power Elite. Should the People wills it that they do away with the Power Elite, the Armed Forces of America is to uphold that Will. If the Armed Forces disobeys that Will, then it is not the Armed Forces of the American People, but the Armed Forces of the the Power Elite.
I aggree with you Anais,
The GBoom team is actually promoting that and what we simply need is an organizational structure that will empower the people to self organize and facilitate the collaboration and interactions between the people, the products and services. Wea re presently developing such an Organizational Network. You may want to drop your name and mail on our web site. In a few months we should have the prototype ready, I’ve been at this for over 20 years and now we are a team of experts puting it together and offer the people some global duplicable solutions for organizing our knowledge collectively and share it between people, businesses and communities.
We feel that our solutions is pretty unique and we are preparing it right now with the idea that this will becoem a virtual society that will stand for the people and by the people. We all agree that what we need is improve the system that we have to fit our needs with this new transformational economy coming.
Appreciate your comment!
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yes, Anais, i really agree that privately funded campaigns and lobbies are at the heart of it and have enabled so many things that are wrong. they seem to be the main way our democracy has been privatized and taken out of our hands.
Good post. Our eye and blame needs to go on the political system and we should be very careful to demonize our banks and corporations. What’s odd is that just a few years ago the liberal mantra of EVIL was BIG OIL. Now it’s banks, Wall Street, and the wealthy. What about unions and foreign countries? Don’t they have a huge influence on our gov as well? Yes they do. So if we pull ourselves back to the 40 thousand foot level with a clear head we would see that it’s not just this org or that one. They all have one thing in common and it’s called our Federal gov. They are too big and too powerful and have now duped a good portion of people into thinking someone else is to blame.
But who steers the Federal government? Do you think we would have gone into Iraq if Halliburtion, GD, KBR and Exxon didn’t stand to make billion$? Do you think cancer causing tobacco would be on the market if there weren’t billion$ at stake.
Didnt you mean “we should be very careful NOT to demonize our banks and corporations,” CD? That would have fit in with the rest of your remarks much better, don’t you think? And “what about unions and foreign countries? Don’t they have a huge influence in our gov as well?” — pleae study the history of the labor movement to answer the first item in your statement. As for foreign countries, yes, the multinational corporations /do/ have a huge influence, along with the (here it comes) banks and organizations such as the IMF, EUB, and national orgs like ALEC and the US Chamber of Commerce.
Btw, CD, are you one of those troll people? I only ask because I’ve never met one in person, but you seem to fit the descriptions I’ve heard.
While the format of this declaration may resemble that of the Declaration, it certainly does not resemble it in any other way. The Declaration lays down the principle of which all rights are derived. This declaration does not. The Declaration submits specific facts that attest to the violation of these rights. The declaration does not. The Declaration lists the previous attempts at finding a peaceful resolution, this declaration does not. Finally, the Declaration closes with a solemn pledge of ‘lives, fortunes, and sacred honor’, of which turned out to be prophetic. This declaration does not. Indeed, it asks others to step up.
How can a representative who bares allegiance to the public even become selected by any party when said parties are under the thumb of Wall Street? Further, the Electoral College votes for us. The popular vote accounts for nothing. The only way to fix this problem is to take decisive action and replace our government with a new form of government – step by step, piece by piece; not work within the confines of a system that has been manipulated by the 1% to always lean in their advantage.
A “new form of government” -kind of illustrates the problem; no one really knows what that is. I know from my own attempts over the past 40 years to get some kind of acknowledgement from my own ‘peers’ (the boomers) towards that end, that the closer you get to an actual ‘people-based’ government, the more you begin to resemble forms that have already been cast into the shadows of our collective political psyches, like ‘communism and socialism’ – and the boogie men come out to play.
Yes, I agree, only starting over, scrapping the shredded constitution, and the current system of ‘professional politicians’ who falsely claim to represent the peoples interests is the only way. Compromise with uber-corruption cannot possibly lead to anything but more corruption, and less opportunity to address it in the future.
A common sense approach to a New Constitution.
We could create an online/in the cloud peoples constitutional convention, and begin to achieve the consensus of participants necessary to make it real. But if we do, we must take measures to ensure that no ‘professional’ politicians -and excruciatingly important- NO LAWYERS get in to mess up the common sense atmosphere with their ‘legaleze’ gobbledegoop. These ‘professions’ are by-and-large composed of one percenters or their sympathizers.
We the people can no longer afford to make the kinds of compromises with common sense that our government has forced down our throats for,…well I have noticed a distinct lack of historical awareness about how this all came about -but that is moot.
One thing I have noticed as a more-than-sympathetic observer (my ‘participation’ can be measured over decades, even though my age and disability limits me) -and that is that the online response on many blogs and forums is starting to get ugly. Though this new generation, coming of age, is willing and able to discuss ideas and debate nuances in an effective, communicative, intelligent manner, hundreds of ‘responders’ are now in the mix throwing nothing but negatives, mud slinging, name-calling, and in general reflecting ignorance and stupidity that obviously is not aware that the entire world is seeing their lack of consciousness. -this made me angry, and a little despairing at first, but then I realized that this is all the opposition has to this global uprising. There is no substance to such ignorance (except the government enforcement agencies) and it is a sign that Truth is winning.
The trouble with an election process online is that EVERONE-even the poorest pauper- is not guaranteed internet access or a computer. In some places even rich people couldn’t get access (if any would live there.)
You would just be substituting one elite for another – just as anointing a “working group” limits choice in the same way as our current election system. You need to do EVERYTHING in a GA or it’s nothing new.
IMO the problem with most movements today (example::TEA party) .is that they strive to SIMPLIFY as the country becomes MORE complex to govern, That is a recipe for disaster, born of laziness.
I ws a hippie and decided early vitng was a waste b/c the choices we got were not choices at all. But Retirement (and C-Span) have shown me one irrefutible fact – Citizenship is a daily, FULL TIME JOB and we now need to admit we ALL have AT LEAST two FULL TIME jobs. There just isn’t time to watch Dancing WithTheStars any more when the likes of LINK, CURRENT and even some on msnbc are trying to tell us the truth.
The same problem exists in attempts to make government SMALLER and this LESS capable of regulating crime, as more complex and economically powerful forces strive to find more complex “shell games: in which to wrap the essentially pyramid/Ponzi scheme of Wall Street.
NEGATE THE “BIG LIE”:
As for squeaky clean candidiates, just look at the media differently The more advertising you see for a candidate, the less likely they are to be for The People, and the more likely they are to be .01% ‘ers. Follow the money and AVOID it – never vote for a candidate or issue with LOTS of ads. (Look at how often they can afford to run the “huckabee/anti-PPACA” Ad! DANGER=RED FLAG) Vote for candidiates and advocate issues with the LEAST advertising, IMO Elizabeth Warren makes Nader look like a hedge fund manager.
Locally, have a look at your green (or Mountain) party’s platforms.
I wish I lived in Vermont(Bernie Sanders) or MA (where I grew up, and they’re about to get a REAL people’s senator in Liz Warren-who should be President) but I’m retired on SS and can only afford 2live in the poverty capital of the US – WV – where we have the CORPORATIST Manchin, thanks to the hold of the job/planet-destroying COAL/GAS industries, and where FRACKING -and flammable public and private tap water- are about to be a fact of every county.
“How can a representative who bares allegiance to the public even become selected by any party when said parties are under the thumb of Wall Street?” The Republican Party isn’t under the thumb of Wall Street. “Further, the Electoral College votes for us.” As it should be. “The popular vote accounts for nothing.” It does with regard to congress. “The only way to fix this problem is to take decisive action and replace our government with a new form of government – step by step, piece by piece; not work within the confines of a system that has been manipulated by the 1% to always lean in their advantage.” So you’re advocating revolt?
“Getting the money out of Politics.” I think this actually means having fair representation in the election process for voters and candidates alike. Here’s my suggestion…
1) Have ALL the local Occupy chapters agree on a member candidate for the local Federal offices (House and Senate),
2) Agree to do 100% write-in voting — you skip the ballot procedures up front AND you take automation out of the vote-counting process — so everybody needs to practice penmanship (printing only, no script/cursive) and remember to bring a pen to the polls,
3) Get out and register people to vote !! Not just the easy suburbs/malls/supermarkets — We NEED inner city support, we NEED the poor and impoverished to vote. Again, on election day, organize rides to the polling places for the poor and impoverished that work with THEIR schedule. Get to know a little bit of their perspective — it ain’t iPads and MacBookPro’s.
Then you’ll have yourselves in power. What will you do then? I would hope you’d impose legal obligations on big corporations, whose ONLY legal duty now is to make money for shareholders. They have no ironclad obligations to employees, retirees, communities, or ecosystems/environments. Best to all.
Well said Jim!
I couldn’t agree with this more!!! It doesn’t matter who we vote for! The popular vote is not taking into consideration during elections. The electoral college needs to be abolished in order for anything to change!
one word: Gerrymandering.
I see that you’re not a fan of Republican government Lynzie.
We need to put these grievances into action. We need to amend the constitution and do something about it. https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/
I think you make some very valid points, if we look back historically we seem to be heading in that direction, but instead of a single person causing the issues it is now corporations. Our forefathers believed in an ideal that we have lost site of. We need to keep pushing, to create change for everyone. I think we all just want to be able to live our lives take care of our families without outside entities controlling our lives in such a negative way. Revolution is built on the despair of the downtrodden, I pray we will find an answer before we get to that point.
well put…if voting made a difference it would be illegal… voting is just a ploy to channel our collective energy into a dead end with words like “Hope,” “Change” and “Reform” ..collective action and the threat of a redistribution of wealth is the only thing that keeps the rich up at night.. the fear that someday the masses might rise up, challenge their authority and take what’s rightfully theirs… iike digital occupation, I, too, don’t just want money out of politics. I want publicly funded elections that are prohibited from taking money from special interests or foreign governments…I want jail time for elected officials who take money or gifts from lobbyists… I want a ten year cap on an elected official’s ability to take a job with the industry they regulated in any way, shape or form… will voting bring this about? heyel no. This will only happen if we assert our collective power.
We can begin to take steps to remove the MASSIVE amounts of money from politics. First, we should make all electoral political campaigns publicly funded by tax dollars. Every candidate receives the same amount, resulting in a transparent system. Corporations and special interest groups would no longer be able to bankroll candidates, with the assumption that the candidate will honor their corporate interests in congress.
I don’t just want money out of politics. I want money out of the basic operation of my life as a human being. I do not want my life and well-being determined by the extent that others can profit off of it.
I don’t think this is an unreasonable request.
Thank you digital occupation. Again and again I hear people rant that we should find “our” politicians and support them. The problem is the structure of things now is that ALL politicians will find that corporations are everywhere in politics. STOP RECOGNIZING CORPORATIONS AS PERSONS! Corporations should NEVER be granted PERSONHOOD status. A person should always have more rights than a corporation.
Katzen you are near truth, but we need much more people who are self-actualized! With all pokažu education, where students do not learn about love and freedom, we can not create better organizations, corporations are pure reflections of low level of motivation, knowledge, etc.
I am heartened by these responses so far as I have read. I believe the GA has correctly and succinctly identified the majority of the issues that American citizens are most concerned with. In the spirit of our first patriots, our true and deep patriots, it is now time for us, as citizens of America, to come together and create the solutions that America needs.
absolutely right on Katzen Hobbes,
The only way the people will get that resolved is by creating our own common law courts as proposed by the British Constitution Group. The the people will be able to destroy that fraud perpetrated on humanity. The people have to stop arguing beside the fundamentals of the problems and drill deeper into profond understanding before wasting thier time commenting on irrelevant matters. That is what the system want, keep the people beside the fundamentla by leaving them confused about them and that is stoping the people to agree on proper actions to take.
Individual Education with the empowerment of collective education is what we need and unite experts to debate this knowledge and create an educational program for the masses to finaly get the truth about it all and stop the manipulation of our minds. We got to get to the bottom of this and I am certaily no experts in the matter, I just listened and studied fro online experts but why I share my opinions is because we devleoped the organizational Network to empower the people nad the experts to organize knowledge and then educate the masses with information marketing systems on automation which will empower individuals to get educated about the fundamentals on their own time right from their computer screen from anywhere anytime.
We HAD antitrust etc. laws and corporations forced either stopped enforcing them or bribed pols to legislatively loophole them out of existence.
Bringing back ALL those antitrust laws (;ie glass Steagall etc) & eliminating exemptions and subsidies is a step.
But also MOST MARKETS (like derivatives,commodities, futures etc) have to be eliminated. Exceptions should ONLY be made to help the poorest individuals – never “BUSINESS” – because government was formed BY USm & exists to protect us FROM it – NEVER to help it fleece us!! And “small Business’ ONLY aspires to be ‘BIG BUSINESS,’ thus will always emulate it in such a system (capitlaism) b/c it relies on a RIDICULOUS concept – infinite growth.
A business is a failure in capitalism if it is “only” sustainable – it doesn;t provide GROWTH for lazy, do-nothing “investor”/gamblers, even though it provides a good product at a reasonable price and reliable jobs with salaries/benefits.
Digital Occupation sums up the entire thing for me. Being a person, I can’t help but push the envelope and ask why we don’t start a living experiment in the near future to address how to remove the focus in life experience from the acquisition of wealth to self improvement as living organisms.
This money needs to be about politics and economy. What role you want money to play in your life is a lifestyle, cultural issue. Please, let’s stay focus and be realistic, keep your sentimental/moral/lifestyle preferences out of this. There are many other forums or real world experiements to address these kind of things.
Money is necessary for the fair exchange of goods and to facilitate economies. The rich, sheltered life you’ve lived (and don’t argue that one because of student debt, etc – you’re not eking out a living on a private garden and one pig with your children starving and a life expectancy of 30 years) is all thanks to capitalism. The “green” technologies you praise are largely due to capitalism. Many technologies every day including drugs that keep you and your relatives alive, are all due to capitalism. Your roads, cars, homes, furnaces, air conditioning units, ipods – all of that shit was handed to you by capitalism.
And if you come up with your ultimate argument of “well I don’t want any of that stuff” – then Fuck You. I do want it. Your opinion of what I need does not trump my opinion.
I’m not rallying against money in order to buy food, goods or services.
I do not have student debt. I agree with you there, if you got yourself into debt, then you need to deal with it.
“Green” technologies have been around for as long as capitalism has. There is an electric car older than Chevy, which gets 40 miles to the charge, the exact same as the new Chevy Volt.
Medicine is not due to capitalism. Many of the drugs that are available are because of research by many different means of funding. However, capitalism does profit off the drugs, which is fine.
Keep your iPod. I don’t care about that, I love music too. What I don’t love is a government whose policy is derived from whoever throws the most money at it. If you want to argue with that, then Fuck You. I don’t want it, and your opinion does not trump my own (that policy is original, and not influenced by money. See what I did there?).
I am going to chime in hear at the risk of putting my foot in my mouth, but I am an intuitive person, and I’ll just see where this goes…
Money is not needed. Capitalism did not come up with any of this! Lives are saved through knowledge. I get to study old books for a living and one of them was a set of arts and sciences from France during the reign of Louis XIV: Le Arts de Metier (two versions exist, one based on the original Louis XIV one). The facets of technology were amazing! And guess what? Louis the XIV was about a capitalistic as Stalin was. The only difference was Louis was much more arrogant and wanted the world to know how advanced France was. Everything they had in arts, sciences, technology, health, etc. was due to individuals being nationalistic enough to back him. Now we know what happened soon after that.
Besides, capitalism starts off innocent enough, but it grows dark much faster than it helps. Look at all of the displaced people around the world through oil, greed for electric power, pipelines, ruined ecosystems, pollution, and on and on. People all too often like to look at the “benefits”, but forget the tragedy of such systems. I call that propaganda: communism and fascism aren’t the only ones with it. What made capitalism more “successful” than the other two was just that it was more heinous, even taking advantage of the other two (read up on Prescott Bush in Nazi Germany and Armand Hammer in the former Soviet Union). “Capitalism” isn’t American (ie US), it is world domination greed. If people weren’t so lazy, lured by emotions or lust and greed, we wouldn’t have needed capitalism.
Soclialism doesn’t work, your not getting it, we want capitalism, we just want it out of our governments policies, we want our politicians campaigning the people for their votes, not corporations! I want a nation FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE! If that is too hard for you to understand then your obviously for the 1%!
We need to stop spatting back and forth it serves no purpose for anyone. Real change takes effort and commitment. I am for change, and for a government that is for the people not corporations. Americans have the most indomitable spirit yet people seem to be getting side tracked here. There are good points to any style of politics, socialism, capitalism it is the people who make it work or not work. The 1% has control because we all allowed it with bleeding heart idea’s and more laws that gave away more and more of our freedoms. We stopped taking care of our own, putting the needs of foreign interests above what goes on in our own back yard. Healthcare, taxes all of this we allowed and did to ourselves, now its time to step up to the plate and try to come up with realistic solutions that work. I drive to the food store and still see empty houses because there are no real checks and balances in this country. Money should come out of politics, and lobbyists for corporations should not have a voice. But the first step is getting everyone on board. Most people I have talked to don’t even know what the OWS was for, what they where doing there. That is kind of sad if you cant get the message to the people it effects the most how can you expect to make a difference at the top?
Try this one on for size,…….Hold the government accountable to the constitution! We live in the greatest nation that the world has ever known, fact. The people who run this country should be accountable to its laws. Giving a taxpayer funded bailout to a company that is deemed “Too big to fail” is illegal!! The proponents of such actions should be ACCOUNTABLE to the laws they swore to uphold.
Well a nonsense statement that something does or does not “work” is itself impossible to refute. What does “work” mean? Does that mean that some greedy people are able to capitalize on the work of others and make money?
I can define what I think it means for something to “work” in this context. It should benefit society as a whole and it should allow the people in the country to thrive.
Capitalism does not do this. Most technological, artistic and scientific achievements were funded by research dollars, mostly by government research dollars (Arpanet for example, or Tang). Many people who come up with ground breaking ideas (television, copier machines) die penniless in our capitalistic society whilst people who had nothing to contribute to the idea are able to make money. So which group would you want to support- the inventors, artists and idea people or the people who steal the idea and sell it for profit? Another simple point to the “socialism doesn’t work” crowd is this- which countries in the world now have the healthiest populations measured by the standards which everyone agrees are meaningful. It is the Socialist countries- the countries who provide health care and other benefits to their people. Socialism works and is a better system to allow the people of a country to thrive and develop new ideas. Capitalism is overly concerned with making money for a few people and quashes new ideas, development and the health and well being of most people for the sake of a few people.
So, let’s just take this step by step, shall we? First, whether or not something “works” is absolutely not “impossible to refute” – in fact, it’s real easy. You find evidence that refutes the argument, present it, and laugh at the stammering response. You, I might point out, achieved none of these things with that dismissive sentence. And if you really require a definition of “works,” then that sucks for you. Here it is, though, out of the kindness of my heart: something works if, in a utilitarian sense, it does the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of people. Don’t just take a condescending tone and shit all over someone else’s belief just because it doesn’t jive with your own; the worst kind of argument is one that has no support, and saying that a statement is “nonsense” just because a vernacular term was used in a way with which you do not agree is, by itself, asinine. You then, of course, go on to give a similar definition for “work” to mine own (oh, I get it, you were pretending not to know what it means! what an effective argument strategy!), which tells me you’re the sort of smug prick that says he “dabbles” in something for which his parents have been paying for lessons since the first grade. See? I can be insulting and ignore the need for coherent discourse too!
Next, you ask, does capitalism work? Well, you say it does not, because it does not “benefit society as a whole and it… allow the people in the country to thrive.” Well, hell, you’ve got me there. I mean, in a third world country like America… no, wait, the most advanced nation in the world. Well, in a poor country like America… largest and most powerful economy in the world? Hmmm… Well, in a place where… damn, I’ve run out of sarcastic responses. See, the point I’m making here is that, were this Guatemala or Somalia or even Greece, I could look at your argument and say “well, yes, I suppose the capitalist system has failed us.” But that’s simply not the case; in fact, it seems more that people are angry not because the pie is divided unfairly but because their slice is not as big as they’d like. Well, there are two ways to go about this; Herbert Hoover, for one, would suggest you go out and work your tail off until you better your situation, because he believed that rugged individualism was a uniquely American trait that made this country great. Or, you could look at things the way his immediate successor did: if you aren’t happy with your lot in life, the government will make that all better; vote for politicians who see it my way to ensure you get yours. So, to recap, capitalism “works” just fine for those who sell their labor at an advantageous price, and poorly for those who are not so inclined.
After that, you seem to seriously consider Tang a scientific achievement. You actually said that. Well done.
So, you believe “[m]ost technological, artistic and scientific achievements were funded by research dollars, mostly by government research dollars,” huh? Maybe the dumbest thing I’ve seen so far on this post, and considering the competition, that’s saying something. Pick and invention or innovation and I’ll explain to you why you’re wrong. “Research dollars,” from the government or otherwise, are an investment. That investment is made to bring about a product that will create a profit for the investor. If said investor is the government, then the profit need not be monetary; they may invest in cancer research not to gain dollars from a cure but to gain votes from backing the correct pony. In fact, the smartest way to go about such a task is to hedge one’s bets by backing every pony worth a dime, which is just what the government does. No money is given to anyone altruistically; even in a case where material profit is the end, “research dollars” that are expended promise to give the American people (you, jackass) a better life through whatever invention or innovation is being pursued. The corporation is allowed to keep the patent because they do the work (gosh, that sounds noble, no?). And if you feel bad for people inside corporations who do the dirty work and get little credit, you should also understand that no one is forcing them at gunpoint to work there and invent without the prospect of keeping the patent for themselves; in some cases, they may even be inventing for the greater good of man, and not profit (!!!), and so they may not be concerned with the fact that they only draw a six-figure salary with none of the inherent risk that comes with being an inventor and entrepreneur. Weird.
Thereafter, you bitch and moan that inventors and artists and such don’t get the credit (or, more appropriately from your ranting, the money) for their inventions. You mention television first – are you truly implying Edison’s invention of motion pictures has not adequately been attributed to him? Or are you saying that, once someone co-opted that technology and combined it with radio technology to produce something like television, that they did not receive enough credit for their “invention”? Meanwhile, a man who died very recently and whose products you probably base your life around, Steve Jobs, NEVER INVENTED A THING WORTH MENTIONING IN HIS WHOLE DAMN LIFE! The pc idea was stolen directly from Xerox at their Palo Alto facility in California, the mp3 player was almost a decade-old technology when he “made it cool” to own one, and if he can be said to have had any real technological impact in his life, it was when he insisted on marketing computers to preteen girls by coloring them tangerine and light urple. So, there’s that.
Finally, I simply cannot believe you feel “the socialist countries” “have the healthiest populations measured by the standards which everyone agrees are meaningful.” So, what, Cuba no longer counts? Venezuela? China? Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos? To what socialist countries are you referring? The quasi-socialist meccas of Canada and France, where people take home about half what they earn for the privilege of working four day weeks and waiting a month to see a doctor about their sniffles? Socialism “is a better system to allow the people of a country to thrive and develop new ideas”? I mean, can you even read, or did you just have someone write down the most inane bullshit you could think of for you while you tried to jam your head ever further up your own ass? NO SOCIETY ON EARTH IS AS REPRESSIVE OF NEW IDEAS AND INDIVIDUALISM AS SOCIALIST COUNTRIES!!! That’s the basic tenet of socialism, for Christ’s sake! Everyone works their own job, gets the same amount of everything that everyone else does (unless, of course, they’re “more equal than others”), and there is absolutely no room for innovation or invention. Just how many of the gems of the twentieth century in the field of technology or medicine came out of Russia? China? Any other impoverished, backward-ass country? In truth, the only nominally successful “socialist” country is China, and they get the quotation marks because (get this) they embraced capitalism when they reacquired Hong Kong from the British and, for the first time ever, have an economy worth noticing. Astounding!
Finally, just to set you straight (if such a thing is possible), capitalism is not “overly concerned with making money for a few people” and does not “[quash] new ideas, development and the health and well being of most people for the sake of a few people.” To say that, you must ignore the very most basic idea of capitalism, that everyone use their knowledge and labor to gain the most money they can. Everyone in a capitalist society is concerned with making money to buy stuff; consumerism is tied very closely to capitalism, and neither is inherently evil, contrary to whatever ridiculous opinion you might have. If capitalism were to truly “[quash] new ideas, development and the health and well being of most people for the sake of a few people,” then people would not make money because “most people” would not buy a product they were unable to make because some faceless corporation or syndicate or other nonsense kept them down. Unbelievable. Nothing is quashed in America; not racists marching in parades, not gays marching in parades, not idiots camping in a few city blocks, unintentionally playing directly into the hands of those they hate the most. Or do you think corporations will cower in the face of your demands. No, most likely, they’ll sell you all lattes to keep you awake, cheap blankets (probably made in “socialist” China) to keep you warm, and everything else you need to keep your shantytown running. Never thought of that, did you? Ever wonder from where the donations to keep your tent city running come? I’ll bet the people who give money to keep you protesting didn’t print it in their basement, which means (gasp) they probably drew that money as part of a paycheck from an evil corporation! Heavens!
If you gave this any thought at all (and you obviously haven’t), you’d understand there is nothing wrong with capitalism. China, a communist society which has moved to a capitalist economic structure, is finally relevant again after almost two centuries of decline. America, shining beacon of capitalism for all the world to see, has some issues right now; unemployment is up (something I know of firsthand, unfortunately), wages are down, and all seems lost. But this is not America’s first economic downturn, nor its worst; in fact, a panic, or recession, or depression, or whatever you want to call it, happens about every twenty years in American history, so we’re just due. We’ll get out of it, because we always do; not the best argument in the world, but for a historian, pretty tough to refute. And do you know who will probably get us out of this jam? Inventors and entrepreneurs, who will take risks and make money and create jobs and make things all better. Because that’s how it’s always happened before. And when those people become rich off their ideas and their labor, and create a corporation to protect themselves from today’s frivolous lawsuits, assholes like you will hate on them for what they’ve achieved. Sigh…
Socialism is yet another example of an ideology that veils the truth of what’s really going on. Socialism is apparently in existence (to some degree) in Australia, but it lives side by side with Capitalism and, in essence both of those feed off of the MONETARY and MARKET systems. With the market and monetary systems in place, the 99% will always have some degree of social suffering as individuals and in communities, whether it’s addiction, depression, poverty, social discrimination and exclusion, war, unfair imprisonment, slavery (whether direct or indirect) and finally, ill health.
Without the monetary system, there would be no need for competition for a supposed “scarcity” of resources and we would all join in to help one another achieve happy, comfortable lives through: a research in technology, love and compassion, and an abundance of knowledge.
I am a teacher and I believe the root of change lies in education of every single child to their true creative potential in life. I see 10 year olds and younger solving complicated problems everyday, learning complicated concepts (that I have also taught to 16 year olds!) not because they are geniuses but because if we give people challenges they will live up to them, and to see that everyday fills me with amazement and hope that we too as adults can solve this dilemma of corporate greed for power in the money-game that all of are subjected to on a daily basis.
The simplest example I can give you is this: in order for us not to be overwhelmed every day in our homes with the amount of chores we have to do, is delegate to people – either our fellow loved ones whom we resent for having free time, or if we have a bit of extra cash lying around a maid, or a friend or .. the list goes on. Basically, the delegation frees you up of time, BUT it also strips that other fellow human being of their time essentially creating inequality right there and then. Micro systems are simply stacked on top of each other to form macro systems and in order for us to break free of this we need to start having empathy for our fellow human beings and help without the need for money. We have more than enough resources, energy and the potential for technology to allow every single human being to live comfortably on this Earth.
To “Socialism Doesn’t Work”: Oh yeah. Capitalism is just purrrrrfect. Both systems naturally spin until they’re out of control. Capitalism was doing ok until it pulled the rug out from under workers and took the jobs overseas. Now it either needs to get reined in, or we 99% need to buy off the Wall Street grid. Start by putting your money in community banks, folks.
Capitalism and corporatism are two distinct systems and it’s important to understand the differences. Capitalism isn’t about bailouts and monopolistic government licensing scemes. Capitalism isn’t about private profits and socialized losses. We live under a corporatist state system more akin to socialism or fascism than anything else I can think of. I believe we need to separate business and state in the same way we separate church and state. I think this would alleviate most of the corporatist concerns in the manifesto above. However, the supposed right to a job, education, healthcare etc. must be shed in defference to the absolute right of people to keep what they earn. The theft the peoples earnings to provide for these supposed rights is immoral and inexcusable.
Oh yes, Capitalism was really doing great during the time of Black cattle slavery. Also during the reign of the English Empire with its countless children and women laborers working 12 hours a day for a meal. Oh yes, when old civilizations in the Middle East and in Black Africa were not yet revolting for their independence from their European exploiter-colonizers, inventors of Capitalism. Capitalism was really doing great then…
Thanks for being someone with some sense!
Actually corporatism is a part and parcel of capitalism.
What is capitalism?
Socialism has never been tried despite what anyone says re the former ‘soviet’ countries (state capitalism)and ‘welfare’ capitalistic economies.(mixed state & market capitalism).
What is socialism?
Actually capitalism can’t be reformed.Any reform made to it mutates and is accommodated in more exploitative ways than previously.
Reform or revolution?
Revolutions don’t have to be violent affairs.They do need the assent of a ‘politically conscious’ majority.That is the hard part of social revolution.
Democracy is a powerful tool which can then be used to ensure the peaceful nature of the revolution.
There is a lot of useful info. at The World Socialist Movement website.
“However, the supposed right to a job, education, healthcare etc. must be shed in defference to the absolute right of people to keep what they earn. The theft the peoples earnings to provide for these supposed rights is immoral and inexcusable.”
As to the “supposed rights” you list, they may not be accepted law, but they are demands that can be forcefully imposed. If you accept anything as a right, understand that it is the result of demands.
As for what a person “earns”, it is seldom equal to what they receive. A simple example: You know a woodsman who cuts, packages and delivers firewood from a remote forest to a nearby store where he stacks it up on the sidewalk out front. The store owner pays $85/cord, then sells it by the bundle for $500. His expense is $85 + $25 for the space cost + ten minutes making the deal, and shrinkage (theft), sales tax, etc. is figured in. Being your friend, he drops an $85 cord at your place every year. If you would be willing, the store owner would be happy to deal with the woodsman for ten minutes at your house for $500 – $110 = $390, his usual profit. Sorry, he only earned maybe $50, what a process server would charge for roughly equivalent service.
Now, next time you buy a 24 pack of toilet paper for $15, realize you are paying a CEO two and a half times as much for his “labor” as you are paying his 100 man crew that turned logs into neatly packaged, delivered rolls. Is that really worth it? Yes. Is the CEO’s take really earned? No. Is capitalism in need of regulation to be equitable?
Economic justice is at the center of most of what #OWS is protesting.
I agree with Prolerat. So everything that we have is “provided by capitalism”, eh? Excuse me but capitalism is just a label for an economic system we live under. Capitalism doesnt “do” anything. It is human beings working on naturally given resources who produce all the wealth of the world. The question is – do they do it in their own interest or for the sake of a tiny class of economic parasites who monopolise the means of production?
People talk about “socialism” not being the answer but their conception of socialism is one in which the state takes control of everything. Actually this has got sod all to do with socialism as it was traditionally understood. The ex Soviet Union was an example merely of capitalism being run by the state – state capitalism. The same class divisions occured there as occurs in the West with a tiny group of economic parasites – the nomenklatura – assuming de facto ownership of the means of production via their control of the state.
I urge people to consider the real alternative to capitalism not the bogus ones. Perhaps follow up some of the links that Prolerat has provided. It could kickstart you on a journey of self dicovery and open up vistas – ways of looking at the world – that you might never have thought possible
You have a 40 hour week because of unions and socialist ideas. Your children are not working beside you in filthy conditions because of socialist ideals and striking workers.Social ideals forced the clean up of the work place and gave jobs to ‘minorities”. These were not gifts but hard fought for. Those wonderful things that capitalism “gave” us is at an enormous price… dirty water, dirty air,oiled oceans, poisoned dirt. The food we eat does not even contain the nutrient it once did.We have nearly lost the ingredients of life for a few years of plenty for a very few people. Commercials blaring in every space we go and a loss of open green space in the name of profit.
We have never been able to see if Socialism or Communism could work because our finest corporate minds have attacked those sovereigns that have tried it. Cuba is constantly under attack, El Salvador, Chile, what could be accomplished when one is NOT always defending itself?
I wish people would wake up and realize that the carrot of the”American Dream” small town boy makes good should not be swallowed. Success is feeding my family,a roof over our heads and an ability to enjoy a healthy life! That”dream” is there to instill competition with your neighbor NOT cooperation. THAT is the “American Way of Life”… NO MORE!
Trade will exist but it has to fair. The enormous profit of multinationals are disgusting. There should be no one hungry, food should not be a commodity.
Read without fear www,marxists.org , stop reading about Marx and read his words.
Socialism did not end discrimination. Civil rights law did and constitutional law did. Know your history!
Talking about capitalism like it is a singular being that somehow gives things to people is about as rational as talk of that virtue of that other divine giver of gifts, Santa Clause. Capitalism is a concept, and will never be anything more or less than this, that allows one to grasp particular features of a society, and as an ideal my serve to guide the direction a society takes. It is not and never will be society itself, just as it is not and never will be a singular being or entity that gives anything. Looking at the present status of the world and the value that people readily attribute to the concept of capitalism, I think it is safe to say that it is an ideal that has led us straight down the toilet. Other values, like real democracy, equality, and the possibility of an ethical society, need to replace the old valorisation of the capacity of money to make money into some sort of force of nature and moral good. Of course, an ethical society, one that has replaced totalitarian corporations with democratic institutions, would involve capital accumulation in some form, and so might be termed “capitalist” in some significant aspects.
Do you seriously think you can live without some form of barter or currency? Really? So you should just be able to walk up to a farmer who has worked his ass off to produce crops for people to eat and take what you want because it’s wrong for your ability to eat his food to be determined by whether or not you can pay him for his blood, sweat and tears?
OH MY GOD. Grow the hell up!!!!
i think the problem is that very few people who bash socialism even know a thing about it. socialism is not authoritarianism, it says nothing about how we distribute resources, it simply says that the resources (and this does not inherently mean labor and in my opinion it should not) belong to the state. This is where i think people have some difficulty imagining a society which functions like this (a libertarian form of socialism, rather than authoritarian) we are so used to these corporations which function as hierarchies and we may find ourselves unsure about democracy as a functional system.
what many here are arguing is that the people need more than representatives. people need direct control over themselves and the policies that affect them. in a word, we need our person-hood. for those who say libertarian socialism (and do some research before you say this, please) will not function, i and (from what i have read, the majority here) can see no other way in which it would be functional.
the very logic of capitalism is that we are not equals, that our net worth actually should determine whether we should have access to food and clothes and health insurance. this would certainly apply to the 1 in 5 children who are homeless as well.
it is my understanding that far too many injustices are brought about purely because of capitalism, many argue we need to regulate it better, but i would argue that once the ideas of libertarian socialism are accepted, it works right out of the box. to anyone who wants evidence, look at the way anarchy-syndicalism operated in Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain). you can also look at Freetown Christiania, a neighborhood in Denmark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania). the only problems either of these systems face are those related to an open system with nearly all the external forces being capitalistic. killing out of greed only makes sense in a capitalistic system, in other words.
I have to jump in on this one. You can’t reliably point to small societies as an analogy for global, or even national societies. These examples of functioning socialistic communities are made up of like-minded individuals with a vested interest in the success of their experiment. And while the fundamentals of socialism are ideal, they are not possible in reality on a national or global scale.
The website referred to by prolerat indicates that work would be voluntary, without pay, and that the needs of the individual would be met, for free, by society. Let me ask you, do you have any lazy friends? Freeloaders?
The capitalistic model meets two very important requirements of the real world, first it organizes labor to meet all of the needs of society, and second, it penalizes the lazy. If work were voluntary, people would pick the easy and/or fun jobs. Who in their right mind would volunteer to clean toilets when they could sit at their computers and test video games? I wouldn’t, would you? So, let’s say that the only job left to do this month was cleaning toilets, and I wasn’t in a very altruistic mood, I would just stay home that month, after all, I will still get my food, housing, and what ever else provided to me. By the end of the month, I have become extremely enthralled in a television series I missed while I tested video games the previous month, so I sit out the next month to check out the DVDs and catch up. After the next month, who’s to say I’ll ever want to return to work, I don’t have to, right? In a capitalistic society, if I don’t work, I don’t eat and can’t make the rent, I lose my home and the ability to sit and watch TV for months at a time. This is incentive to go find a job, and contribute to society once again.
Just a couple thoughts.
Nice straw man, Jenn. But no one is saying that you should take what you want from a farmer. Not sure where you’re getting that, you must have made it up in your own mind, because that is not what this is about. Please learn more, before shooting off your mouth with imaginary arguments.
BTW – there are no more farmers, contrary to what you might believe. There are only corporations producing our food now, and doing it poorly. You might want to look into that too.
Maryann, take off your blinders for a second. Contrary to what you’ve invented in your head, farmers do still exist. My uncle owns a farm, manages his own employees, and sells directly to local markets. Corporations aren’t the only source of goods and services, and pretending that they are makes any valid points you try and present sound childish. Let’s at least all have this discussion from the same reality.
If you look in the posts, the one I originally replied to was from someone who said she didn’t think she should have to use any form of currency to live.
With no form of currency (and barter is a form of currency, it’s just a different form), you are either having everything handed to you or you are stealing it. Take your pick.
I grew up on a farm and know exactly what a farmer goes through to produce the food we eat. Even the large farms are still prey to the whims of Mother Nature.
jen, i see no reason for barter and in fact no need for property. it’s been said since Proudhon and the argument has only gotten better, property is theft and we can do without it.
I am talking about Karl Popper’s Open Society.
i’m not talking about charity and theft is hardly realistic.
If you want an example, i already named it: the spanish civil war. hasn’t anyone read orwell or chomsky?
farms seem to be few and inbetween these days. a farm out on long island by me had to close down for BS reasons because i know the farm and the family who owned it were doing very well. i guess the food corps got a bit uneasy about them because food corporations run majority of farms, not farmer joe.
if we as a society can use barters- i believe we would be better off then where we are now.
It doesn’t matter much, when it comes to buying food at the supermarket or from the local farmers market because of the relative costs of living and producing within this economic structure. The prices are going up and up. I gasp when I hear people say its better to buy from the farmer’s market because of its locality and therefore cheaper to ship and “greener.” When I go to the farmer’s market, the prices are so high, I wonder if perhaps some farmers have been watching too many reruns of “who wants to be a millionaire.” The best way that I’ve found for buying food is to join the local food co-op. It’s much more economical all the way around. When I go to the farmer’s market at Union Square, thinking that it might be a good idea to shop for something there, it seems like all the vendors are price gouging. It’s unbelievable. Food for the rich. For the retired or disabled it’s even more expensive than the supermarket monopolies of Gristedes, Food Emporium, D’Agostinos, etc. which are the only food markets here.
To the long stream of suggestions and arguments about which “ism” we should follow, why not try a new one. Stop arguing over what type of system and start breeding common sense as a system. Within common sense is the realization that every being on this earth is here on this earth to BE here, together, and every action creates a reaction that we ALL have to live with. The more one has, the less another has, so live with what you need and cultivate connections with those around you. As for currency, it was developed out of necessity to ‘grease the wheels of society’ because some goods and services don’t translate well. For example, if I fix cars and you need your fixed but you make puppets, and I don’t need puppets, money that you gained from selling puppets to people who needed puppets can be used to pay me to fix your car. However, if you were a farmer and I needed food, we would trade a fixed car for food. But there again, how much food for how much work is fair. Here’s where common sense plays a role. If I allow myself to be greedy, I can hold the car hostage and say that an excessive amount of food, leaving the farmer without a car and without food enough to trade or use for other things (sounds a lot like corporations to me…). But if I understand that my greed will effect many that would have traded for your food or money AND that I will gain more business because I was fair in my price, whatever it may be, I will have food, you will have a fixed car, and everyone will have gotten what they needed without difficult contracts, fine print, or having to listen to a group of children that never grew up telling us how much my work is worth and why that amount is different from people who have shown us for decades that they care nothing for anyone but themselves. Just seems like a simple concept to me. I am the 99%.
Its a straw man argument – I sympathize with your anguish but you are missing the point – don’t demonize things or people – money is not the problem – the misuse of money or the misuse of power are the problem. The SCOTUS has legalized bribery for the wealthy in the Citizens United case. Its not that money or capitalism are bad its the misuse and imbalance that causes the problem. A good start would be strict campaign finance laws or public financing.
Yeah, I’d really trust someone with a symbol of anarchy as their picture..
It is not possible to eliminate money, so don’t let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
I agree that “taking money out of politics” should be our first priority. It won’t solve all of our problems immediately, but without it we are hopeless, as our politicians will continue to support the interests of the monied 1%.
I believe there are a fair number of us who think that “taking money out of politics” should be goal #1. I think we should form a working group, attempt to draft a resolution that would get broad support, and bring it to the GA.
If we, the 99%, even without people who are emotionally tied to the dominant paradigm, organize locally, at the state level, and nationally, and we use social media skillfully, we can fill the local level posts (volunteer and electoral) in the Democratic Party and elect each other, without paying for television ads. We simply take over the machine because we can operate it for far less cost, and there are more of us (count all minorities, most women, progressives, even traditional Republican moderates without a political home) than there are in the right wing. Then have clear-headed discussions with Independents and put them on the web too, and get most of their votes. End of political story. Meanwhile, organize all that we collectively know about sustainable economic development and technologies, and put it to work as quickly as we can find and form state banks and community development banks and tap the Federal Reserve for nine times deposits, which balloon because we take all our money out of all the bad mega-banks and put it in them instead. Also meanwhile, we stop buying garbage processed food and consumerist junk, and buy quality whole food, organically grown, and quality products that were made without harming the natural world or the people who live and work in it (that would be us). We divide up the jobs of making those good green products, so more people can have an income and fulfilling work and more time to be creative in Life, and establish dual currency systems to reward each other for being nice to each other in all the ways that are needed, and to give people with excess inventory a way to sell it at a hard currency discount, but with added secondary currency to make it worth selling. And we tell each other what stocks are for bad companies with bad products, and we divest ourselves of those stocks and invest in, and buy the products of, good companies with good products. Thus we also drive bad companies out of business by driving their sales below the break-even point, which in turn drives their stock prices down (so they no longer have access to the cheapest capital), and funding their good competitors (so they do have access to the cheapest capital). Voila! We have rendered big money (the 1%) politically AND economically impotent! The People + Knowledge + Communication + General Assemblies (for policy-making) + Concerted Implementation of Strategic Tactics > (is greater than) The 1% + Mega Corporations (of the World Domination persuasion) + Mega Media + Mega Banks + Mega Chemical + Mega-Star Wars-Military + Their Political Lapdogs (some of which will jump off their masters’ laps, bite their ankles, and run away). If we write as many songs to support parts of this process as we did in the sixties for the transformation then, we will also have a shared cultural experience (not to discount Assembly and Occupy and mass marches, which are great, lasting and meaningful experiences) that makes it a meme for all of us. If we see the light in each others’ eyes and hear them singing our songs with us, we know we are united once more. Then we can truly chant together, The People, United, Can Never Be Defeated!
I agree. Campaign donations, Insider trading by politicians, all forms of bribery should be eliminated.
First: I wrote a PETITION yesterday.
Secondly: TRANSITIONAL STRATEGY: a) Reform OR b) Revolution
What do people think of some of Peter Joseph’s ideas?
a) Form a World Occupy Global Conference at a set location for the media to digest, issues are established, forum created to solicit established governments
b) Parallel Government representative from various regions are brought to the table along with legal and technical teams associated.
b-1) Eventually creating a virtual global institution which begins to prepare the new social system as the old system continues its operation and inevitable failure.
Once the public model is defined, a mass public awareness campaign is commenced in which this new governing body is announced and the tipping point will come once the public begins to see the merit of the new social proposal and is recognizing the governing entity itself, eventually giving it priority over the prior political establishment.
There appears to be a typo in the first statement… or I’m reading it wrong. In all respect and seriousness, please tell me what I’m missing or fix the statement. I agree with the other statements and would sign the petition if I could correctly understand the first statement.
Vaughn, Denise is right, you seem to have a typo in your petition. In part 1, where it says “There will be funds derived from…”, don’t you mean “There will be no funds derived from…”?
You would probably get more people signing your petition if it were worded as intended.
The petition also seems overly broad to me. I wouldn’t want every candidate for my local school board to have to seek federal funding in order to run a campaign, which is what it literally would ask.
Further, it does little to reverse the problems of the Citizen’s United decision, because much of the corrupting influence by corporations does not go to candidates for office. That decision was to allow unlimited corporate expenditures on so-called “issue ads”, where the “issue” end up implicitly supporting one candidate or ballot measure, often in a deceptive way.
The best part seems to be line 4. To the extent that we can get national campaigns to be very inexpensive to run, politicians will not have such a need to seek deep pocket donors.
Nader is good, but voting for Nader WILL ONLY CAUSE A REPUBLICAN WIN IN THE WHITEHOUSE!!! For years and years, Nader votes have split our liberal/democratic votes enough to secure Republican wins. The stronger Nader is, the more delight the Republicans take watching their numbers rise.Yes, it sucks that we have to play this game, but we can do more good with Democrats in control than Republicans, not that Democrats are any angels either.
But please – look to the state of Maine where even though 61% (yes a majority 61%) of the population did NOT vote Republican, a right-wing conservative was elected as Governor. Why? A very strong Independent candidate ran a very strong campaign, thereby dividing liberal votes between democrats and independents. PLEASE DON’T LET THIS HAPPEN IN THE WHITEHOUSE IN 2012! It’s destructive to vote just make a statement. Vote Democrat or suffer a republican landslide yet again. Thank you for listening for a sec.
My name is Gregory Dean Lemke and I want to let you know I support your movement and protest. Please do take the time to review my post on Facebook.com under the name of Gregory Dean Lemke and learn what really happening to America. Please do follow my post to the end and review all the issues. This will give you a better understanding of what I am trying to do to help bring reform and to educate the public on the crisis we all face today and what may come from it, if we as a nation don’t act and act fast to bring real change and reform in policy affecting us all that is the 99% of us.
Please don’t be concerned about the fact I am a Republican because I have also supported Reform issues in the past.
Here is the advice I want to give you about what I believe you need to do to start to resolve the crisis in America regarding your concerns and issues.
1. Continue the protest in numbers and create a clear message among the people.
2. Start to support Candidates for elected office at all levels of elected office as soon as possible.
3. Look at what happened on Wall street and what create the crisis we have today. You can learn about the history regarding the issues and why we had a crisis in 2008 from my post on facebook.com under the name of Gregory Dean Lemke.
4. Your protest needs to create a P.A.C. to have any say with the elected and that mean you must elect officer and File as a P.A.C. to create a lobby, without this your movement will not have real input on policy issues in Washington or with your elected.
Gregory Dean Lemke
Republican Candidate Washington State 38th District ending returns 41% of the vote.
Reform advocate !
P.S. In review of your concerns on the issues look right on. What the plan to bring reform in the system is the question ?
Dear Mr. Lemke,
Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about the need for reform of the country’s financial system and improved regulation of financial markets. I appreciate hearing from you on this important matter, and I sincerely regret the delayed response.
The recent crisis in our housing and financial markets has shaken the confidence of the American people. I recognize the tremendous burden that Washington families and businesses have faced in recent months and I remained concerned about the lack of transparency and oversight in U.S. financial markets. Main Street continues to pay the price for Wall Street’s risky business. We cannot allow Wall Street’s shenanigans to take down our economy again.
Like you, I am concerned about the stability of our country’s financial markets and believe that regulatory reform is necessary to create a stable foundation for economic growth and prosperity. We are still suffering the negative effects of the financial crises that was brought on by risky behavior on Wall Street and abetted by lax regulation, particularly in the $600 trillion unregulated derivatives market. Washingtonians are still experiencing high unemployment, families are losing their homes to foreclosure, and small businesses cannot access all the credit they need to grow. In order to avoid a similar crisis in the future, we need strong regulatory reform.
That is why I was proud to support the final passage of the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010. With the passage of this historic financial regulatory reform legislation we will, for the first time, require oversight and transparency in the dark over-the-counter derivatives markets that did so much to damage the U.S. Economy. We will also have, for the first time, a single agency with responsibility for consumer protection in the financial sector: the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
I will continue to work for fiscally responsible policy – including a return to the Glass- Steagall separation of commercial and investment banking – to rein in Wall Street and put an end to the concept of “too-big-to-fail.” Bringing transparency to government and to the financial markets by fighting for smart, effective regulation and oversight would help avert a similar catastrophe like this from happening again.
Thank you again for contacting me to share your thoughts on this matter. You may also be interested in signing up for periodic updates for Washington State residents. If you are interested in subscribing to this update, please visit my website at http://cantwell.senate.gov. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of further assistance.
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How about, if in addition to the Declaration we start on a statement of OCW ethics. Something along the line of the following:
It is legitimate and good to people to use all just, legal, and healthy means to get, keep, and grow wealth for ourselves and others. To do so morally requires that:
It is our duty, individually and corporately, to tell the truth to one another in word and follow through by action; to be faithful and just in our contracts and commerce.
People should be paid what they’re worth.
All monies and goods illegally or immorally gotten should be returned to their rightful owners.
Individuals and institutions should give and lend freely (with reasonable assurance of repayment) according to their abilities, and the necessities of others.
People and corporations should exercise responsible, informed, and reasonable effort to get, keep, use, and dispose of the things they need to benefit themselves, their families, their communities and be able to generate a reasonable profit.
Individuals and corporations should engage in work for the common good as well as the good of the employees, stockholders, and management.
It is everyone’s responsibility to avoid unnecessary, and especially harassing, lawsuits as well as enslaving debt, individually, corporately, or nationally.
Punishment should be prescribed for:
Theft, including using, buying, selling, or keeping stolen money or goods.
Dishonest, fraudulent, or misleading communication, false or misleading advertising or labeling; dishonesty in contracts or in matters of trust; mistreating and misusing workers, people in the community, or harming the environment; extortion, usury, bribery; and manipulating commodities and markets to inflate profits.
It is the duty of individuals to reduce, in themselves, envy and greed as well as compulsive working, achieving, and obtaining at the expense of others, the common, and one’s own good. It is also incumbent on individuals to overcome laziness and not engage in over spending, compulsive gambling, and acquiring excessive debt.
STOP BELIEVING THAT MONEY EXISTS
Look at Herman Cain – no one thought he could contend with Romney and Perry and he is tearing up the polls! Like him or not he is the perfect example of what you are calling for – a politician who is not controlled by money.
FINALLY – I have been beating this drum for a year now and thank God you folks have got the discussion going. We need major political reform that takes the money out of politics. You have the momentum going with the OWS movement. I would like to propose we champion 3 major political reforms. These reforms are simple, widely agreed upon and if implicated would change our world by solving many of the issues we are protesting against. The biggest problem is THE MONEY IN POLITICS. We can and must TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS. The following is from my website. http://politicalperceptions.weebly.com/
TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS. WE CAN FIND A BETTER WAY TO CHOOSE OUR LEADERS.
1. CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. Campaign contributions “a blatant and legal form of bribery” It should be illegal to give money for influence and that is precisely what campaign contributions are. Does anyone really think corporations make donations to be good citizens. Yet they do it and we let them? This is a system designed to fail. We can do much better.
2. THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND ITS CONSEQUENCES: A system that creates complicated political strategies which waste time and distract, It allows some votes to be more important than others. The State by State winner takes all electoral votes makes no sense and should be stopped. We could end up with a President who did not get the most votes. How would that be?? We should count every vote equally. To still be using this system today is not logical and could only be happening because the people necessary to change this wont or cant because of their position. Then we the public get lost in the details of the polarizing politics having taken one side or the other in the game that has become politics. Its another system design to fail.
3.TERM LIMITS FOR EVERYONE IN CONGRESS. No more career Politicians. Career politicians in the current system must play the game to stay. There is no other way due to how our system is structured. We all know its about the money and to make a change against the hand that feeds you is impossible. If they had term limits they would be inspired to make a difference rather than a career in Washington
Check out our website, we would like our movement to become involved with yours as we have the same goals of delivering the government back to the people. Please use our blogs and get involved.
The government is only a superstructure, a machinery of the System. It is not surprising that it us under the control of the Power Elite. Thus the money in politics. We have to dismantle the System and all its machinery first before we can build a better one where we won’t need either money or politics.
I agree. This is why I believe the Occupy Movement should focus on political corruption. And it is why I wrote the Declaration of Desperation: http://thedeclarationofdesperation.wordpress.com/
The Declaration of Desperation
When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for a People to occupy the streets of wealth and to assemble on the lawn of power, a decent respect to the opinions of humankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the demonstration.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all People are equal, that they are endowed with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Peoples, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,–That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed will dictate that Governments long established should not change for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience has shown that people are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to sacrifice their Liberty, their Security, and their pursuit of Happiness for the benefit of a select few, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to set aside daily concerns and demonstrate their grievances, and to demand, and to ensure, the renewal of their Government, which only then may provide sufficient Guard for their Future. –Such has been the patient sufferance of the American People; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their System of Government. The history of the present Government and Social Order is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, constant deception, corruption, and cronyism, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Plutocracy over this Nation. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
The Supreme Court has consistently ruled against the Rights of Citizens in favor of the rights of corporations.
The Supreme Court has given so-called “citizenship” to corporations.
The Supreme Court has removed all restraints from the corrupting influence of private and corporate wealth in the Political Process, thus allowing a select group of persons and corporations to buy Politicians and hold near total control over the domestic and foreign policies of Government.
The Congress has consistently failed to act in the interest of the Nation.
The Congress now acts only in the interests of the wealthiest persons and corporations.
The Congress has enabled the consolidation of Mass Media.
The Congress has deregulated the financial sector, thus precipitating the Great Recession and putting the Nation in danger of a second Great Depression.
The Congress has failed to respond to the Great Recession with substantial financial regulation reform.
The Congress allows former Government Officials to find employment in the industries they once regulated.
The Congress gave billions of dollars to the very Financial Institutions which caused the Great Recession, without requiring any reform of those institutions.
The Congress has repeatedly and significantly lowered tax rates for the wealthiest persons and corporations.
The Congress has enabled the gross redistribution of wealth into the hands of the top 1%.
The Congress has failed to take the necessary measures to reinvigorate the national economy.
The Congress has failed to take any substantial measures to preserve the Middle Class, or to help the Lower Class.
The Congress has allowed the public education system to deteriorate and to fail to adequately prepare Students for employment and their Duties as Citizens.
The Congress has so neglected higher education that Students must endure usury and indenture themselves for education.
The President is either incapable or unwilling to lead:
He neglected to reform financial regulations when he first came into office and had sufficient political capital.
The Criminals of Wall Street have not been arrested, tried, and imprisoned for perpetrating the Fraud which so devastated the world economy and wreaked such havoc on the lives of Americans.
Corporations plunder Our seas, ravage Our coasts, burn Our towns, and destroy the lives of Our People, without fear of commensurate retribution.
The Press fails to address the real issues.
The Press neglects even the most basic investigative journalism.
The Press propagates trivial distractions which deflect attention from the real issues.
The Press is guilty of aiding and abetting Politicians in the deception and manipulation of the American People.
The Press is now little more than the propaganda network of the wealthiest persons and the largest corporations.
The top 1% possesses 40% of America’s wealth.
156 million Americans, half the Nation, posses 2.5% of America’s wealth.
3.5 million Americans are homeless.
14 million Americans do not have jobs.
49.1 million Americans endure lives of poverty.
52 million Americans go hungry.
A Government, whose character thus condemns millions of men, women, and children to lives of desperate poverty and unwarranted hunger, while ordaining a wealthy few to live lives of unprecedented opulence, is unfit to be government of any people.
In every stage of these Injustices We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury:
We have not been wanting in Our observation of Our Representatives. We have condemned them from time to time for their failures to represent Our Interests, but Our voice remains unheeded. The Politicians reserve no lie to garner Our votes. They shamelessly neglect their campaign promises, and only realize those favors promised for the highest bribe. They have proven themselves unworthy of Our confidence. Worthy candidates cannot be heard over the babbling voices of those Whores of Wall Street and their incestuous bride, the Press. The two-party political system is broken: We no longer enjoy the luxury of electing representatives who represent Our Common Interests and Values, and are now resigned to just vote against those Politicians We most fear. The Political Process is no longer responsive to Our Will. For the Politicians have formed to themselves an interest separate from the Interest of their Constituents. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity of nonviolent direct action, and hold them, as We held their royal forbearer, in contempt.
We, therefore, the People of the United States of America, Assembled, in General Outrage, appealing to the supreme judgement of the world for the rectitude of Our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of this Nation and its Founding Principles, solemnly publish and declare, That these United States must be, and of Right ought to be, Free and Independent of Corruption, of Greed, of gross Inequality, and that Government must cease to be a Plutocracy; and that We, as the Citizens of these United States, reaffirm Our Sovereign Right and Power to consent to Government, and to revoke Our consent; and We here resolve that this Nation will have a new birth of Democracy–and that government of the People, by the People, for the People, shall again prevail across the earth. — And for the support of this Declaration, We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor.
We are the 99%.
1) Which corporations are doing what you said? Name them specifically please, if you don’t mind.
2) How did the “1%” earn their wealth? Name specific individuals and their individual story please.
3) I agree that greed is bad and negative. But if those people you claim are in the “1%” earned their money fair, by working hard and diligently, why are you trying to take away their money? Or did I miss something? Is it because you say other people need that money?
If I take away all your money because I see three other people who need it more than you, doesn’t that make me envious of what you have? Doesn’t that make me greedy? I, who denounce you and your wealth because what you did is worked hard to make money to sustain yourself and support causes that you have a heart for, take away your right to give that money to people/organizations/charities because they differ from those places I want to give my money. Is that not greed? Is that not what you’re crying out against?
If I am mistaken please inform me and correct me.
How do you read all this in relation with Thoreau?
I agree, the first and probably only goal of OWS should be to get money out of politics, all other complaints will be solved by 99% elected Representatives. OWS must come to grips with the fact that they are only 5% of the 99%, we must appeal to the 94% to get their vote.
campaign finance reform.
it is the only way. everything else is a pipe dream.
- completely eliminate (that includes individual donations) campaign donations from the political system.
- campaign funding supported ONLY through a predetermined amount of taxed revenue.
- divided proportionally among candidates from respective parties using proportional representation from the previous voter turnout to determine percentages. you could even introduce some sort of system similar to the draft used by professional sports leagues to give less proportional parties a little bonus.
it’s a money-ectomy. you yank the influence money has on the campaigns and thusly election or reelection of politicians and over night money is not what gives a politician victory, now it is political platforms and job performance that give a politician his/her office.
support campaign finance reform. it is the real cancer that causes all the symptoms we are discussing.
So now you are against free speech also?
OWS needs to become a political movement FAST. A party needs to be formed ASAP. And, OWS representatives need to be on the electoral ballots across the nation. Its not impossible. I don’t think you have to have a lot of money to do it. Look what the internet did for Obama. Make it the internet political movement like no other. Support is there, you just have to get the word out that the party exists and start connecting. I think there are frustrated people everywhere. Connect with every University across the nation. Have them put up candidates locally and regionally. Main Platform? Get the influence of big money out of our government and our nations information Highway.
Until we place a 90% tax on all corporate donations to campaign funds, there will be no need for ethics to return to the election process. It is a voluntary tax, will reduce the money that is used to ‘buy’ election results, and help the deficit to which corporate America has contributed.
I can’t register, please help
Hi. I live in Memphis, and would like to help, but am not in a position to financially support anything other than my wife and children. It certainly doesn’t detract from my desire to be a part of the solution, not the problem. Which is why I’m writing you now. Where is the list of proposed solutions? How would I submit my own solutions?
One of the biggest criticisms I have heard about all of this, is that it’s a great show, but there is no end game. How do we propose to enforce these solutions? We know they won’t simply hand over the keys, so how do we force them to listen, or change years of destructive policy? It seems we would need to go through hundreds of congressional policy’s to root out the destructive and unfair loopholes. How do we actually remove them? Are we just going to send our congressmen and women angry emails, or do we have a more substantial plan?
The only option I have heard thus far is to vote in better politicians. That is a great long term plan, but I’m not sure this movement has the stamina to last the years that will take. We KNOW this isn’t a simple presidential election away from a solution, so how and what seem to be important dilemmas that MANY people need/want to know.
I look forward to any kind of response, and maybe some suggestions of what I can do locally to help this movement through these birth pangs. Thank you in advance.
I’m In Palm Beach, Florida. Haven’t worked in two years yet HIGHLY, HIGHLY skilled…..
Where do I go to “Occupy” and where do I find information about upcoming events since this has not only gotten national, but now GLOBAL?
p.s. THANK YOU FELLOW AMERICANS FOR FINALLY STANDING UP WITH ONE ANOTHER TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!!! A country I served, as well………..
I found information on currently active occupations at http://www.occupytogether.org/ In solidarity…We are the 99%!
WRONG WRONG WRONG!! We as Americans need to Reverse the way Big Companies get their revenue, (Answer)DIG INTO THEIR REVENUE
1) Drinking Water Sales revenues 100% to the People
2) Snack FOODS revenue 20% to the People
3) Car Fuel 70%
4) Power Companies revenues 80%
5) Video gaming Playing revenue 70%
We at ID&C have Programs to enter into all of her above major industries Join a SOLUTION
“Anonymous” The Cure 4 America
“OCCUPY SOCIETY”! WIN WIN!
“How to FIX the US Economy 101″
So, if you take all their profit, who is going to make the product? You expect the product to be produced and distributed for free? Let’s turn this around, and say you were producing something that people needed or wanted. Would you give it away for free, or would you try to make some profit? If you hate the companies who provide these products so much, just quit buying them and make them yourself!
Brian, There are more powerful motives than profit. Think Empathy, social responsibility. Jonas Salk ended polio by giving away, not patenting the Vaccine. The Cures for Disease War, Poverty, Homelessness exist but suppressed because the profit is too great in the prolonged treatments.(Think Health Insurance, high priced drugs,farm subsidies not to plant, arms sales,foreclosures ) . Think about it. Everyone does better when Every One does better. Profit before people is unsustainable.
Here’s the dealio, folks:
My family will not be shopping on Black Friday. Furthermore, we’ll be occupying Christmas with a moratorium on Christmas shopping.
There will be no presents for anyone except the grandchildren who are age six and under (because the little ones wouldn’t understand the lack of Christmas presents for a good cause). The rest of us, on the other hand, will be spending time together and donating the money we would normally spend on gifts to Occupy Denver instead. For Thanksgiving, we will be delivering boxes of Grabber MegaWarmers to our local Occupy groups to help keep them warm. Food will be delivered to the downtown camp.
Furthermore, the kids’ toys will be purchased at a local small business toy shop rather than at big box stores. Our payment will include a note that reads as follows:
“We are shopping at this establishment in support of the #OccupyWallStreet movement. We are the 99%.”
I’m with you!! We need a world wide strike (UNION)to not buy anything and not go anywhere, no work no truck drivers shut it down that is a true show of power!!! For the time it took God to make this world 7 days n 7 night. Lets Go
http://t.co/1h9K9DJ9 Hi Kenion you can help by spreading this message any shape or form. Good luck…
Looks like scamway to me. Can you type more info about this to explain it better? Not sure, but it looks more like a ponzi scheme to me.
Keep on keepin on brother. I am so proud of all the brave folks that are showwing up at rallies around the country. I have been screaming out for this kind of action for years. anow that it’s here I have to pinch myself to remind that it is real. The inconveniences that those of might have to endure to support this movement is minicule compared to the long drawn out pain that we will all suffer if we don’t turn things around now. You can bet you have my support now and forever.
OccupyPalmBeachCounty has begun in downtown West Palm Beach. Come to assemply meetings at 7 pm each evening at our camp at Banyan and Flaagler Dr. (one block north of Clematis)
Great news! Every time a new occupation begins!!!Way to go PALM BEACH! greetings from Canada!
yay! palm beach!
Good luck Palm Beach! You rock!!
Kenyon, did you connect with the actual Occupy group? I seem to have inadvertently signed into a “facebook” sponsored forum for miscellaneous meetup groups.
Hi, if you are in Florida there is an Occupy Ft. Myers.
The only way to change is to go back to the regulatory times to when banks didn’t have that kind of leverage and that can be done by Congress, however they will move slowly. The President must now step up and take control of the nation and he can now in case of emergency and it’s a fucking emergency.
AM not an Obama basher, but I don’t think we can count on him on this one. Methinks we’re on our own here.
Right — you can’t count on anyone in Washington, period. When the Movement is real big and effective, then Obama or someone will get on board, but not until. “STop the War” in the 60′s didn’t attract a single politician until virtually every other American was in the streets. Then came McCarthy and Kennedy etc.
I like Obama. But don’t for a second think we aren’t aware of the fact that he sponsored this movement from day one. OWS is an official response to the Tea Party.
“There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them.” –Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin, French politician (1807-1874).
The companies play by the rules set up by the politicians. The real problem is the politicians who set up doomed programs, and insist the businesses play by the new rules. That’s why the bankers stopped acting like bankers for 5 years. The govt forced them to!
My name is Marcelo, I am a Brazilian lawyer with little knowledge of the American laws and legislative system. Even so, I am aware that direct democracy is not unknown to Americans: in several states the citizens are allowed to propose laws (ie., California, South Dakota). Therefore, here comes a question and a suggestion: are the American citizens allowed to propose laws with national amplitude, directly to the United States Congress? If that is possible, proposing a law project pressing for market regulation might be an efficient tool for the American people that are unhappy with the present US situation.
Here in Brazil, our politicians are not so brave to disregard laws directly proposed by the population (of course we are talking of a percentage of the people, it doesn´t requires the entire population to sign it), for obvious political reasons; on the other hand, they are masters in ignoring mass protests. From experience we´ve learned that although protesting gives us a remarkable sense of unity, it has little or no effect on the disposition of our congressmen to legislate.
In conclusion, I would like to offer my most sincere sympathy for all Americans; I hope you guys find your way out of this crisis and back to the prosperity that made your country an example for most of the world. Good luck to you all.
Thanks Marcelo! Great idea. Change we can sink our teeth into!
The States can submit laws to Congress for consideration–individual states. Individual people can’t.
When you say the states can submit laws, do you mean a representative of the state? Do you know which representative or if there is more than one?
This link will take you to locate your US House of Representatives, specific to your district. You can call, mail, email, or go camp out at her or his office. I strongly suggest you do all of the above!
Sweet jesus….Thanks, I know how to use Google. What I was asking pertained to the information above. I HAVE contacted my congress person, with expected results. I was wondering if the person who said only states can submit new laws and bills for vote. A “state” is ambiguous when you add a verb. A state could mow my lawn? Just trying to get more info to what I do best, from where I am. Looks like I’ll just have to learn legal jargon and figure it out. Thanks for , well, ya, just thanks.
I wondered about this issue a long time ago and found out that Mike Gravel, a “passionate advocate of direct democracy and the National Initiative” (according to Wikipedia), has been promoting this idea for a very long while. I can’t say I’ve researched it further but if you’re interested, you can visit his website http://vote.org/ and check him and his proposal out for yourself. I also think, having lived in CA where this type of lawmaking is part of the political process, there has to be a kind of simplicity to the process which does not tax the voters’ ability to really understand where the law being proposed comes from, in other words, who funded the proposed initiative and what their purpose truly is. I guess that would be one of the first initiatives to be passed: complete transparency, simplicity of language, and limits to funding and who funds. That’s a lot to get started I think but well worth it.
Thanks Linda. That’s exactly what I was looking for!
While that is true, and you must get a congressman to sponsor a bill, you CAN petition the white house directly. Any proposal that has 25,000 signatures the president will see.
Lets get a few together, then. Will the allow digital signatures or do they have to be handwritten?
This is a good thing. I don’t know much about it but what I just read on the website, like, if anything will really come of a petition filed here but it can’t hurt anyway. I wanted to reply to Trey but there was no “reply” button after your post, but in any case, go to the website and see. There is an active petition that has about 800 or so signatures and needs 25,000 that would ask the president to propose an amendment stating that “persons” are natural, you know, flesh and blood, not corporations. It couldn’t hurt to support some petitions there or start new ones. The Occupy movement could certainly garner the support necessary if it were put forward with the input of the general assembly. My opinion. I’m just here at my house thinking. I’m not on the front lines.
Oh yes. You asked about electronic signatures. You can sign the petition right there on the site and I read somewhere that you can also circulate petitions. I didn’t get into all the details.
Please do sign the related petitions at the White House petition website. In particular, please support the petition for an amendment to overturn the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision. That decision, which ruled that corporations were “persons” with free speech protections, has greatly increased the ability of corporations to control our public life by financing campaigns in secret. Overturning that decision is KEY to getting the people back in charge. Please include this issue in your messaging.
Thanks for the help Linda! I am in Memphis, so I don’t have much voice either. I would like to see if we can get some solutions, and other things together so we can submit multiple petitions. One for term limits, another for criminalizing lobbyists, maybe even one to decriminalize Marijuana. We’ll have to see on the MJ, it clearly isn’t a top tier concern. We need to stop the exploitation of workers pensions, and well, each item on the list, really.
I’m going to push this(these) petition(‘s) as hard as I can. I suggest anyone else who cannot make it to the general assembly do the same. Just because we aren’t there, doesn’t mean we don’t have a voice. THANKS OWS!!!
In regard to Citizens United, I saw Representative Louise Slaughter on Keith Olbermann. She and 19 other congresspersons are seeking some type of oversight of Justice Clarence Thomas’ apparent conflict of interest in this case due to his wife’s position lobbying for this case. She also said that there is a law of retroactive recusal that could be utilized to nullify his vote in this case if the wrongdoing were confirmed. If that should happen, it would reverse the decision as it was a 5/4 vote. Maybe some sort of petition to pursue this line would be useful.
again, thanks for your input. At the present time, there is no dirrect measure for introducing legislation at a national level. As you’ve mentioned only a handful of states.
Its been brought up at the square, the proposal of a 27th amendment to US constitution calling for citizen ballot iniatives.
Great idea Marelo.
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See these 2 program that ID&C designed
OCCUPY SOCIETY!! WIN WIN !!
!! We as Americans need to Reverse the way Big Companies get their revenue
, (Answer)DIG INTO THEIR REVENUE
1) Drinking Water Sales revenues 100% to the People
2) Snack FOODS revenue 20% to the People
3) Car Fuel 70%
4) Power Companies revenues 80%
5) Video gaming Playing revenue 70%
We at ID&C have Programs to enter into all of her above major industries Join a SOLUTION
“Anonymous” The Cure 4 America
“OCCUPY SOCIETY”! WIN WIN!
“How to FIX the US Economy 101″ http://www.fatttrixx.com/revenue.html
1) Found Raising/Donations collection ($$$$)
2) Take that money to a Young group of manager who just finish one of those trade schools that the President Paid for .
3) Hand over the “Hydrogen Car Fender” design to them and direct them to a Plastic manufacture.
4) The plastic manufacture will accept the designs for the “Hydrogen Car Fender” and make the east mold to start Pressing them out.
5) Tool Shops will be given the Designs for the style of Hydrogen Stanless Stell configuration for the plastic manufactures to place in side the mold to incase insid the Fender.
6) Make and models will very so the Team of managers will produce and organize the install time for make and models.
The next stop. You should be showing the people that relief they been asking for .http://www.fatttrixx.com/revenue.html.
TIMING IS EVERYTHING> NO SECOND CHANCES
get this program and get at it ASAP..
1)Start asking the wealthy for money .
Raise the money to produce the Hydrogen CAR FENDERS .
2) Allow US Citizens to pre register their car on line to help raise capital before you go into
3) Use the Money raised on line to Pay manufactures and tool shop (Job Creator) for
producing and delivery of the Hydrogen car fenders.
4) Set up shops around the USA in every State to get more people involved in saving portion
of $6,000 a year. Shops will Installs these device when they are delivered.
5)When US Citizens Pre Order on line they can then ask for make and model of car , or they
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Sounds simple, that”s because it is.
Like Marcelo, I am fom another country (Netherlands, Utrecht). The problem I see here is that with winter coming, the Occupy Utrecht (and other) are confronted with homeless people, drunks, junkies and other people who are victims of the current society (or their own lack of possibilities and willingness of course).
This means people avoid the Occupy place, and councils have the right to stop the movement because of “public disturbance/drunkenness/drugs use/etc”.
I am willing to donate a virtual environment on the web where Occupy members and other are welcome to discuss subjects, share information and ideas, and even invite politicians and other live! For positive and especially constructive discussions, and preferably decisions!
My company can offer a 3D MMO world with free entry for around 5,000 people at the same time, in which we can start “Occupy via the Web”, or in other words, get together when needed or wanted, live! Normal 2D web content is useable in our 3D worlds.
I am willing to keep this running as long as Occupy is needed, or as long as the banks will give me credit ;p
I tried an email to ‘email@example.com’ but can understand they are swamped with e-mails like their reply says. So if someone from the org is willing to contact me, we are willing to offer a lot. Not tomorrow, but today.
Many, but mostly the fact that things are not divided like they should imho.
Full Employment Full Pay and Full Benefits assured by the federal treasury (legitimate precedent: Roosevelt 1941) is the first step in restoring the universal economy requisite to the existence of the natural viability of the society and its legitimate egalitarian representative democratic government with honor for all human rights that permit peace, goodwill and cooperation among the people, and the requisite universal economy.
Then we will all be exactly the same and life will be perfect. Sounds like you want to get paid, just for existing. What happens when everyone decides to take without giving. Eventually, there’s nothing left to take. Go produce something that people want, and you can decide how to spend your profits. Keep them or give them away—it’s your choice. But no one should force you to do either. Why do you insist on forcing others to make that choice instead of focusing on creating your own oppy?
Brian, or is it Scrooge? People like you seek to kill-off the world due to your evil selfishness. You take away jobs due to your greed for profits above humanity. Most people need and want jobs. The poor will always be among us and the rest of us need to help them not hate them. I am old, ill, and may not live to see it, but I know you will get what you deserve for your hatefullness.
First let me congratulate you for the great work everyone is doing. I’m so proud to be an American. Keep up the good work.
I’ve recently had several people purchase sleeping bags and some other cold weather gear from my Ebay store and have had me send it to an OWS address there in New York. Specifically:
Occupy Wall Street
118A Fulton St
I just heard on the news that there was a great need for back packs. I believe in the cause and would like to help. I have an army surplus business and have a large quantity of packs in a various sizes and would like to make those available to our friends “at ground zero”.
Now as much as I’d love to donate them, as a one man operation who just recently got his small business off the ground. I can offer pack systems at close to my cost.
I can offer back packs starting at $11 each. And going on up to $31 for Huge packs designed for extensive use by our troops and are virtually indestructible.
If you think I can help let me know. Or pass this onto the person responsible for supplying the folks who need help our there in N.Y. I can give more specifics if you think I can be of assistance.
might want to try posting in groups/comfort.
i will mention this when i head down to the square soon.
I sent 3 boxes on saturday . One tent, 1 with a Backpack full of socks and 1 box with Sweatshirts, Sweatpants, Hoodies etc and a Book by Charles Eisenstein “The Ascent of Humanity.” it’s also available free online at http://www.ascentofhumanity.com
He predicted this in 2008 and has some great ideas worth sharing on money and the evolution of humanity to a beter world. Thanks #OWS for creating the spark that will be the raging fire that will bring the meaningful change. Hang in there.
Thank you for donating the tent, etc. I think this is safer than donating $$$ but in this case I trust that no money will be “stolen”. I can’t send or donate anything at this time but I can give a little computer time. Wish I knew what I could do here. I think anyone who can squeeze in the time should help if there’s any way possible. As far as I know this is the largest protest in world history and if not yet, it should surely become so.
Don’t these people believe in paying for anything by themselves, or is life just one big handout?
Dude, This is not the place for these gripes.. If you can’t help. Get out of the way. You are not discouraging anybody here.. just raising your blood pressure. I feel sorry for you.
This is my first time here…and I am very thankful for the Occupy Movement! I am extremely proud of the sacrifice so many people are making on my behalf. I am part of the 99%. Now, I will be looking for ways to help contribute to this movement, in my community and beyond. As to your comment – Perhaps you could post it on politicians’, corporation lobbyists’, or billionaire bankers’ websites!!! I don’t see any of them being too shy about asking for “handouts”!
I think you have very valid concerns, Trey, and that the movement is already doing a lot to respond to them. One major point I see coming from this movement is that for change to happen it need not start with (or even involve) politicians. Yes, we can do a lot to get better politicians elected and make the system less corrupt. But that need not be the main focus. We can create grassroots programs to help people who are under finiancial stress, and to meet people’s basic needs for free. For example, OWS is feeding thousands of people on the street every, from all walks of life. OWS is providing an education that I think is more necessary than what colleges provide, and isn’t charging money for it. There is so, so much being thrown away in this country every day, and it is largely because the 1% have more money than they could ever spend on things they actually need. We can change that, and politics isn’t the only way. In terms of what messages to help spread and how to go about it, start by clicking on the “groups” tab at the top of the page.
Thanks Irena, I might be slow,IDK. Thank you for being gentle.
I’m not part of the 1% but I’m busting my ass to get there.
How many people are you willing to run over on your way there? The culture of competition is unsustainable. The culture of empathy and cooperation is. Are you sure this is a good forum for you to share these views? Do you expect to convert anyone else here to your backward primitive thinking? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLLFpNn4lM
Exactly right, George. Brian should come stay in the park and wait for some backward-thinking corporate big wig to see the light and sign over his pay check to help support Brian.
That’s how I’m planning on making a differnce: I’ve called in sick for the next three weeks, so I can participate in the protests. That should be long enough for somebody to notice my plight, empathize with my need for support, and work out the direct deposit detals out with my cedit union.
What time does the delivery van from Liberatos pizza come? I hope somebody paid for a soda: I’m parched!
Hope you don’t get laid off by some asshole in your chain of command trying to make a few extra bucks at your expense. It happens alot!
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First, make sure you money is in a small, local bank or credit union. Get the money out of the system.
Second, make sure you have no credit card debt or other debt. I know you may owe on a car or house, but keeping your money out of a big corporation’s hands really helps.
Think before you buy. Shop at the local stores. I try and buy local and pay a little more. Especially when it comes to food.
Ask a local theater or cinema to host a movie night where you show something like Inside Job, King Corn, Food Fight or a number of different documentaries pointing up the financial industry’s take over.
I know these may seem like things that aren’t as important as a petition, but believe me I have been in the vegetarian movement for over 30 years. It has gone from having to buy tofu from Chinese restaurants, the only provider, to multi-million dollar businesses.
Voting with your dollars, going to local commissioner meetings does more than you think.
It may seem like the democratic solution will take a long time, but look how quickly the Tea Party movement did so much damage! It is a mistake to say the Democrats are the same as the Republicans. Write your Democratic representative, or support any Democrat up for election or re-election. They will get the message FAST. It takes only the threat of replacing them with a progressive to make them move in that direction, as the republicans did at the threat of being replaced by a Tea Party candidate. All the Democrats need is visible support for progressive actions. Make more noise than the Tea Party and you will get results.
Tea Partiers are very hard workers, and their demands make sense. OWS’ demands involve getting something for nothing. Tea Partiers had fantastic success because they make good sense. Actually, the Tea Partiers have some of the same complaints as OWS, but the solutions are way different. Open your mind to Conservative/Libertarian ideas, and come see the light.
You have been drinking from the conservative well too long. How do you know all of them are hard working, and none of the OWSP’s ARE hard working? Sounds like unfettered bias to me. For you to say they made sense is not only an opinion, but again, a heavily biased one. For you to be unable to make sense of what OWS wants, while perpetuating the myth of tea party sanity invalidates your opinion, IMHO. OWS DOES NOT WANT HANDOUTS. We want jobs, and justice. The tea party took our country hostage to achieve their goals. You mean that’s how it is supposed to be done?
“OWS DOES NOT WANT HANDOUTS. We want jobs, and justice.”
Dude, you do realize this page is for people to donate:
■Order Panini Panini & Co 115 Broadway: Please try to focus on vegan and vegetarian options with some meat options.
■Order Lemongrass Grill Lemongrass Grill: Please try to focus on vegan and vegetarian options with some meat options.
■Order Tolache Tolache Taqueria: Please try to focus on vegan and vegetarian options with some meat options.
■Liberatos pizza – order online – order the “Occu-pie“
■Please order vegan or non-meat pizzas
■Other local business that deliver
But, go ahead with the whole, “not asking for a handout” thing if you think it best.
Talking about the “Endgame” i saw this little printed clip. Sounds like a pretty good idea for a start?
Warren Buffett, in a recent interview with CNBC, offers one of the best
quotes about the debt ceiling:
“I could end the deficit in 5 minutes,” he told CNBC. “You just pass a law
that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all
sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election. The 26th
amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months
& 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in
1971…before computers, e-mail, cell phones, etc. Of the 27 amendments to
the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the
land..all because of public pressure.
Warren Buffet is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of
twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do
In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the
message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.
*Congressional Reform Act of 2011*
1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office
and receives no pay when they are out of office.
2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All
funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security
system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system,
and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for
any other purpose.
3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans
4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay
will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the
same health care system as the American people.
6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American
7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective
The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen
made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor,
not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours
should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take
three days for most people (in the U.S.) to receive the message. Maybe it is
THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!!! If you agree with the above, pass it on.
If not, just delete. You are one of my 20. Please keep it going.
After we send it to our friendsters, how do we get it to Congress or the people who matter and can make change.
I can send it but then what?
Terry – Check out the working group, “Politics & Electoral Reform.” http://www.nycga.net/groups/political-and-electoral-reform/
I agree with Trey. I am donating sending money and goods, but the OWS have to come to some goal, some action after a while or people like me will give up and stop giving.
!! We as Americans need to Reverse the way Big Companies get their revenue
, (Answer)DIG INTO THEIR REVENUE
1) Drinking Water Sales revenues 100% to the People
2) Snack FOODS revenue 20% to the People
3) Car Fuel 70%
4) Power Companies revenues 80%
5) Video gaming Playing revenue 70%
We at ID&C have Programs to enter into all of her above major industries Join a SOLUTION
“Anonymous” The Cure 4 America
“OCCUPY SOCIETY”! WIN WIN!
“How to FIX the US Economy 101″ http://www.fatttrixx.com/revenue.html
1) Found Raising/Donations collection ($$$$)
2) Take that money to a Young group of manager who just finish one of those trade schools that the President Paid for .
3) Hand over the “Hydrogen Car Fender” design to them and direct them to a Plastic manufacture.
4) The plastic manufacture will accept the designs for the “Hydrogen Car Fender” and make the east mold to start Pressing them out.
5) Tool Shops will be given the Designs for the style of Hydrogen Stanless Stell configuration for the plastic manufactures to place in side the mold to incase insid the Fender.
6) Make and models will very so the Team of managers will produce and organize the install time for make and models.
The next stop. You should be showing the people that relief they been asking for .http://www.fatttrixx.com/revenue.html.
4 MORE YEARS.
I hope you will support locally! NY is just one part of this international movement and we need support everywhere. Our strength is in the people and families standing up together makes an even stronger statement then you alone so do bring the kids. You can find out what is happening in Memphis by visiting occupymemphis.org or on Occupy Memphis on facebook as well. Please come back and share what is happening at Occupy Memphis – Solidarity!
who is managing the bitcoin account?
There is no point trying to focus on everything, but if we can focus on the things that:
1) Favours DECENT employment
2) Reduce inequities by spreading profit from top to bottom
3) Doesn’t ruin the US economy
Then we can maybe transform the economy. I like to call these measures wellbeingism measures, or the art of building a “meeting human needs” economy.
Step 1: Attack basic accounting principles so that employees are no longer considered mere expenses in companies. We want employees to become assets, so that they will be financially valued. It all starts there!
Hi Trey, I am wondering the same thing. One thing I try to do os purchase as many products I can from local growers, at farmers markets on Etsy, and other small businesses and farms as I can. My motivation has been to support stay at home moms, local farmers, small businesses, etc. I also try to incourage as mamy people as possible to do the same. I know its not much, but if a large enough amount of people do it, it may make a small difference.
Herewith some of my ideas ideas to counter the “establishment” argument that the occupy movements do not have any clear aims or methods.
The ideas reject the greed of the 1%, and make positve proposals for lobbying, and action.
Accepting some fair variation in remuneration and reward gets rid of the “commie” label, but limiting the range meets the aims of the vast majority who are appalled by the obscene rewards of the few.
Hope it is helpful. The HOW section, is a starting point which after Negating Excess, develops further .
Kind Regards from Dr Robert A Wells. UK.
“HUMANE WORLD” and “THE 10 : 1 PRINCIPLE”
FAIR AND ACHIEVABLE PRINCIPLES AND METHODS TO CHALLENGE
THE ESTABLISMENT CLAIMS THAT
“THE MASSES HAVE NO AIMS OR PROPOSALS”
HUMANE – Help Underprivileged, Motivate Achievement, Negate Excess
The First Principal of our Humane World, is a universal quest to assist those with poor health, education, nutrition, shelter and resources, globally, in communities, and within the family.
However fraudulent beneficiaries must be exposed, and shamed.
Accepting that without the highest achievers, in health, education, science, agriculture, entertainment, public service and business, there is no future, and that they should be motivated and rewarded, not only by higher remuneration, but even greater recognition,
Accepting, that through greed and/or fraud, a tiny minority of the global population, claims an obscene excess of reward, resources and privileges, is not only grossly unfair, but increasingly de-motivates, alienates and angers the remainder of society, towards the demise of us all.
WORLD = Within Our Resources, Life Develops
Within Our Resources,
which are finite, we have a duty to nurture, protect, and preserve our environment, more fairly sharing the benefits amongst all members, within a sustainable population.
– towards our ultimate aim of a fairer standard of living for us all. More spending power for the masses = more growth and more tax collection.
10 : 1 Principle
Achieving “a HUMANE WORLD within a generation”.
Communism, Marxism (theoretically no variation), and Unrestrained Capitalism ( in practice – unlimited variation) have ALL failed, and must be discarded.
Communism fails to reward achievement, whilst the Mega rich of Unrestrained Capitalism, hoard wealth and avoid tax, by misuse of favourable regimes.
Humane World accepts, but sets reasonable, global limits in range of payment.
The ultimate spread is debateable, but if we consider an ideal of 10 : 1, then those who achieve through, endeavour, hard work, study, skill, and creativeness, will still progress, be motivated, whilst also earning true recognition and respect.
Why does anyone deserve or need to eat more than 10 times more food, live in 10 times more homes, or waste over 10 times the resources than any another. ?
10:1 is ambitious, and although ultimately fair, cannot be achieved rapidly.
By starting with say 100 : 1 variation, whilst is still excessive, we begin to reduce from 500 – 2000:1 remuneration range (as much as 5 – 20 million USD p.a), of CEOs, bankers, financiers, mega stars etc to a maximum of 1 million USD p.a.
(Based on the most basic salary of 10.000 USD pa. x 100 = 1 million.)
The majority must Lobby/Force G20, UN, IMF and governments to agree to global pay limits, and tax levels, this is the only way to remove at a stroke the greedy argument “well, we will move from this country to that country”.
Then we only vote for parties which support global agreements to progress through 90:1, 70 :1 , 50,:1 & so on, as far as the majority consider fair.
Maintaining such agreed limits in times of austerity or prosperity, will promote a global willingness to cooperate in sharing the pains or the gains, as we would then truly ——- “ALL be in it together”.
Later replacement of Income Tax, by GLOBAL taxes in consumption, property/financial transactions, and death, will increase efficiency of collection.
Efficient collection of tax is more help for underprivileged and less tax for all.
Higher Achievers, (whilst still earning more), should also enjoy even greater recognition by status, and awards,( at no cost to society), and by less greed and more philanthropic practice, they will earn the highest respect of all.
By – Dr Robert A Wells. 5th November 2011. firstname.lastname@example.org
You are not alone. Many people do not have extra funds or time to donate but there is something we can all do to show our support. Print off a sign from your computer or for those of you who don’t have one, hand write it and say:
ATTENTION UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
WE STAND UNITED WITH THE OCCUPY WALL STREET PROTESTERS
YOUR LUXURIOUS LIFESTYLE AT THE EXPENSE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS IS OVER
When the Officials, The Bankers, and everyone else that is benefiting from the destruction of the American People sees this sign in every house and every car window, they’ll realize it’s not long, before it is going to be their turn to be thrown out on the street. So far, this has been a peaceful demonstration…except for the police brutality at the bequest of the soon to be cowering Officials. The unfortunate part is, the Officials History. They never act in a positive manner until someone gets hurt. When you unfairly take away hard working peoples livelihoods, homes, food, money, etc, they have nothing left to loose…and that makes for a dangerous situation the Officials won’t be able to insulate themselves from. E-mail, facebook and twitter the sign idea to support the Occupy Wall Street Protesters.
pleasethink.net site handles some of the questions you may have regarding “What to do about the Citizens United vs the FEC crazy democracy ending decision.” Try it. And come back again in ten days for the new expanded plan!
WE CAN PRESERVE DEMOCRACY IF WE WORK TOGETHER AND EMPLOY THE SPIRIT OF THE 99%
I have been observing and participating in Hartford CT events for the last several weeks. I’m disappointed with the apparent lack of organization and direction although I strongly suspect there are both of these in great depth; they are just not being widely and simply communicated. I applaud those who want to avoid making demands because by their very nature, making demands admits limitations and this protest should not admit limitations, yet. There will be time for those but the burgeoning list of changes is not complete yet. So let the volcano continue to erupt but with structure.
To those who insist on an end game think about this: the current end game of our economy is very clear, n’est pas? So to begin to form an end game statement of this protest, consider the attributes of the current economy which we’d like to change, reverse, correct, make more equitable, generate more direct representation etc, etc. Then let this thinking generate the desired end game for the protest.
Finally, the protest has not really considered the power it has: I suggest we spend some time acknowledging the dimensions of this power and then allow that analysis to form an Economic Change Team to collect suggestions. The greatest power we have is that the government, the banks, the WalMarts, etc, etc, won’t be able to continue operating without our financial contributions. Why not start by refusing to pay any income tax? On a mass scale, there aren’t enough legal prosecutors to sue everyone and we’d get Washington’s attention.
The first move politically would be to END CORPORATE PERSONHOOD. It’s the way corps own the political powers and get away w/what they do. Next, not only audit the fed, audit congress and all public offices. Waste and corruption amount to more than we can even imagine or admit we allow.
I agree! In other words, instead of treating corporations like Kings, begin treating them as equals.
I agree and more is needed:
I support the movement and believe the significant occupation was a need to get noticed at the start. However, I believe that now is the time to be more strategic by occupying only certain places at certain times, similar to flash gatherings. To help define one voice, (1) I believe that a few point people be identified for each current occupied location to place people on a contact list to receive notification as to where the next occupy area will need their participation. This contact list should contain email and phone numbers because not all occupiers have money to afford computers. (2) Information should be provided to each person regarding where to find the next scheduled occupy meet up. (3) Each person should be asked to register to vote – not for a particular candidate; but just sign up and be committed to vote (4) Each person should list the change that they are voicing in an online location (5) Someone should be assigned to place the list of demands in an orderly fashion online to begin defining OWS Voice. One movement strategically engaged for particular activity at a specific place and time with a coherent message.
I would love to donate but I only have a Bank of America card. I know it would be hypocritical of you to except a donation made on this card.
There is nothing hypocritical about using your OWN money.
But to relieve your guilt, do this: Create a group of 1000 people who do business with this bank, tell this bank you will continue to do business with them if they agree to give you a group discount for staying with them…and promise them that if they can’t give you this new group rate, you and your 999 friends will withdraw all your funds together at a set time and reward the bank that does agree to a group discount with 1000 satisfied customers!
Power to the people! Occupy style with as bark AND BITE. Let’s put a ring in the bulls nose!!
The most powerful way this movement can effect change is to coordinate where money is spent and invested. By this I mean…for example: Straight Talk wireless charges a month 45 dollars. But they ask you to buy their year plan for 540 dollars. In other words…the same rate. If you buy the year plan…you are giving them the same amount ahead of time, for a service you won’t benefit from till eleven months into the future. For 12 months, they will earn interest on your purchase! If enough people who use this corporations service got together, and told Straight Talk, here is our deal: give us a lower cost for buying a year ahead! And we will reward you. $540 times 100 people is over half a million dollars of business. But it only works if people work in tandem! Unless Occupy uses this strategy, this movement will fizzle eventually. Wall Street is banking on this.
What do you think?
$540 times 1000 people… hey, I’m only human!
This might be a little more effective….just have every human being not work for 2 hours……watch the planet stop no feeding the beast of greed, gotta have man to run the machine….just a thought.
This is in reply to Trey Melton’s response on “How to Help”.
I agree that the way to help is to elect better people. We should elect those, whose primary interest is in helping those in need, the unemployed, the poor, and the middle class, who are struggling because much of their potential income has been transferred to the 1%. To accomplish this, this group needs to become aware of the need to vote for candidates whose purpose is to help them. Too many of this group are mistakenly voting for Republicans against their interests. An educational program is sorely needed.
One way to ferret out the candidates whose interest is to make life better for this group rather than do the bidding of the 1%, is to recommend to voters that they only vote for those who have pledged not to accept campaign contributions from corporations. Such candidates would then have to depend on the support of this group in order to be elected and would not be beholden to the corporations, as is the situation in the present Congress. Their campaign contributions would be obtained from individuals belonging to the 99%, instead.
If this promotion was instituted in time for the next election, perhaps some immediate progress would result.
Hello, found a simple modern way to get us a true democracy, not this lie. When our constitution was written, there were no paid by the rich, treason lobbyists. This solution should be Occupy Wall Streets main demand. We cannot change anything unless the people are in control??
Go to below and ignore radio information (unless into that) and read all
the facts. You must read entire page to not miss any of the joys. This is not a advertisement.
It is a simple idea, that would again give America, to the people, like Greece 3,000 years ago, the last true democracy.
Can you imagine, how nice this country would be, with the people in control?
PASS IT ON………….
If we all wake up, it is now possible to get true democracy and stop this rip-off,
before they get control of the internet, like everything else.
Is it possible to go after the powers through the patent control, I mean most of the super money was derived through government grants or dod contracts that brought about the intelectual rights that they use to make trillions off of pharmacuticals to electronics, these were paid for by Taxes, do we not realy hold the rights to those patents, the people of the country? I am not well learned but I feel that most patent rights belong to the ones who employed the research in the first place… And all the research done after the fact that was done with the proffits they wrongly witheld from the people… just my feel on the issue,,,I wonder if this would be worth getting in front of the Supreme courts and firing back from this angle?
Its our patriotic duty as Americans to uphold the pillars of Democracy and Liberty. In attempting to achieve this, we must not select and elect leadership from among the plutocracy. In a democracy the majority must rule with considerations for others, for success to be gained. The wealthy should be allowed to live and conduct business in a free society but with rules and regulations. This is necessary so that while they create fortune for themselves, we are not hurt in the process. We the people must select leaders from among us that are not corrupted by wealth and power. Leaders who have a first hand knowledge of the pain and suffering of the poor and working class. #OWS
Spot on. I can see OWS as an information resource that could be valuable to the electorate. For Example OWS could disseminate documented data on all candidates for any office as to their voting history and supporter donations records and affiliations. Transperancy can be a powerful means of separating the “We represent corporate interests” and the “We represent the common populace interests” candidates. Candidates who will not share this type of information would of course be flagged as likely being corporate allied. As a nerve center of information OWS could be a trusted tool for the voting populace to use in their decision making process. My family is transferring our checking & savings accounts to a Community Credit Union prior to the 5th of November along with already almost 60,0000 others, as a protest that grew online from just the idea that OWS presented by it’s solidarity with the 99%, Bank Transfer Day, which can now be found online. Check it out! Peace
Tried to get to the sign-up sheet for Laundry and Showers but got a “Page can’t be found” message.
In Europe, judges are civil servants; they are basically academicians who are selected by merit without political interference. In the United States a judgeship is a political award; and the higher the court, the greater the award’s value and political control. Politics have corrupted our judiciary; and the courts have returned the favor by corrupting politics. Every authentic judicial scholar knows what a travesty Bush v. Gore was (The Court said that counting all the Florida votes would constitute an irrevocable injury to Bush; but not counting the votes would not be a similar injury to Gore). Subsequent to that decision, the “non-activist” Court has been on an orgy of overturning accepted precedent and law, particularly those restricting corporate funding of elections. As a result, virtually unlimited corporate money has been let loose into our elections. To most politicians, the power which comes with being elected is their most valued possession. This is especially true of those who support the interests of the 1%. And, those in high office who do support the interests of the 1%, can now count on virtually unlimited funds to help them obtain/retain that most valued possession. This reciprocal corruption between the courts and politics is essentially what has brought us to where we are today.
Having an audio link on this page to the Declaration in standard American English would serve to enhance its access to many people. Ditto in Spanish as it is the most widely spoken second language in the US. As a person who is legally recognized as being “disabled”, I urge that this be implemented.
I am also legally disabled. This site works alright with a screen reader. A text only option would make that even easier.
WE NEED TO DIFUSE TEH MESSAGE THROUGH ALL THE POSSIBLE PUBLIC MASS COMUNICATTION MEDIA SO WE CAN EDUCATE THE PEOPLE AND LET THEM KNOW WHATS GOING ON! IF PEOPLE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE CAHNGE CHANGES WILL NOT BE DONE, TODYA THANKS TO TECHNOLOGY THE INTERNET IS NOT A TOOL BUT AN ACTOR OF THE MOVEMENTS WE ARE OBSERVING THROUGH OUT THE WORLD. THE DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM WE ARE FACING IS ELEGIBLE TO BE OVERWHELM BY CORRUPTION, THE MEASUREMNETS TAKEN BY THE BIG ENTERPRISES ARE TEH MEASUREMENTS THAT THE GOVERMENT WILL FOLLOW, WE NEED TO MAKE THE FIND OUT WHATS WRONG SO WE CAN START GETTING A BIGGER AND STRONGER FORCE SO WE CAN KNOCK DOWN THE MULTINATIONALS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THEIR OWN BENEFITS.
I love how they make a list of all the wrongdoings with no references.
It is a manifesto— not a research paper.
People who occupy my ship:
Samuel L Jackson,
And My Dog Rockefeller.
It may not be true…but it is a manifesto.
I once wrote a Manifesto once. It led to millions upon millions of deaths. #winning
how many millions of deaths did jesus’s legacy produce? Of course all those heathens slaughtered during the crusades, the invasion of the western hemisphere and the colonization and enslavement cause? Of course they all went to heaven?
My dog Rockefeller is pretty funny… I think they mean to say the list with a bibliography is….. actually that works for me. The list is not just one persons point though its consensus. I guess a well documented list is as good as one that’s not. Perhaps with time the list will evolve, each grievance becoming a link on the severity of the problem and plausible solutions and at some point actions.
Google is amazing.
you need references?
Is this the official (or as official as anything in the 99% movement can be) list of demands? I’ve seen lots of lists of proposed demands floating around, and an open Google doc constantly being revised. Just want to make sure that this is the list the movement has generally settled upon.
This is NOT official. This is the ideas of one thematic group. The only official documents are those located in the RESOURCES section of this website. Anything else you see is just individuals or groups of individuals expressing themselves freely. We love free expression, but it does not imply that these demands are based on a consensus in the movement.
Idea for increased/improved visibility
I have an idea that might increase the visibility of the movement: Get the message out that sympathizers unable or unwilling to join the urban protests should erect tents in front of their residences to signify solidarity with the movement’s basic message: corporate greed (and government collusion) is noticed, not appreciated, and must change. This, if you can get it to happen, would at least produce new images for the press, who will likely soon grow tired (along with their readerships and audiences) of photos and video of tent cities and the usual likely suspects holding signs, however clever they may be.
Imagine news crews driving down a suburban street in Anytown, USA, filming and photographing lawn after lawn, street after street, neighborhood after neighborhood dotted with illuminated tents. I think that would be a compelling image, one that a broader and larger base of people could identify with and one, possibly, that less-confrontational people would be willing to be part of. It would be quiet (powerful in its contrast to the noisy urban protests), dignified (like most Americans), and unmistakable. The message would be a loud one to the ones we’re trying to reach and possibly resonate more because the messengers would ideally be greater in number, be spread over a larger area, and appear less radical (i.e., more sympathetic) than chanting marchers on police-lined city streets.
And people wouldn’t even have to sleep in the tents if it was too cold or wet or if they just didn’t want to; they could just leave them illuminated at night so they are visible to neighbors, the press, business owners, officeholders, and the nation. People without camping gear could make and fly some kind of flag with a tent on it (with maybe a slogan on it, like “Occupiers: We’re in Tents” or something cleverer) or draw a sign and put it in a lit window (which could work also for non-homeowners).
I think this would need to happen very soon, too, before something happens with some fringy occupier at one of the encampments that brings disrepute or even shame on the whole movement.
Anyway, that’s the basic idea. I’ve thought a bit about how best to execute this plan (risks, benefits, etc.). If you’re interested, you can e-mail me back and I’ll share my ideas with you. In any event, good luck with the movement. I hope it brings about some positive change.
Hi–I want to put forward, again, an idea I (and apparently others before me) have/had. I would like to see each city’s occupiers pull about 6 people aside and load them down with multiple copies of “We are the 99%” signs–then take them through neighborhoods, ringing bells, giving short shpiel and asking them to put a sign in their window–as a show of solidarity—would love to see neighborhoods papered–apartment buildings, all floors etc. Pics speak even louder than words–like a “mad as hell” window scene!!!
i like this idea too. i am french and we can do this in France too -99%
LOVE this idea. It is non confrontational, makes a nice statement that would get noticed in my quiet conservative neighborhood –and it puts my tent to good use.
Beware the neighborhood dogs and raccoons or what else, if you really like your tent. Or suspend it from a tree and leave it for the squirrels.
Josh, I think you have an excellent idea. By giving a simple yet very symbolic way for the millions who so badly want to participate but for many reasons cannot (lucky enough to have a job, family to support, live away from urban centers, etc). How do we get the GA to consider this and get the word out? Hell if not we may have to start it on our own.
I love this idea and am putting my tent up now. For the first time I am sad I live on a dead end street. I am sending in supplies. I am limiting my money in an account and I am buying local. Time for survival mode. Let’s make a change. And if we all loose our jobs because we don’t need tellers, big store clerks and baggers, than we will know we are creating a change and what comes next must be better than this. Buy local and with a survival mode mentality.
Me, too. I just don’t have a tent. So, I will make the flag (cardboard) and fly it in front of the house. The flag will have a tent on it, a sunrise behind and the words “Occupy America!”
This is an excellent idea!!
Great idea – please get more exposure of it – may i copy and place on my FB page?
Passing this along to my sister who lives in small town Nebraska. Occupy Everywhere!
I have no website. It looks to me like the best way for us to support is to find a local MoveOn group, or Occupy group, or environmental group, or any group that is looking for a way to end the Washington DC mess (which could take years) and then when a National Day of Demonstrations is planned get out there with everyone you can find to attend. Occupy is a wonderful movement. There is so MUCH wrong that eventually some brave elected official will have to realize that we want the corporations out of our government. The idea that a corporation is a living feeling breathing human being is a travesty. Laws written by lobbyists give big pharma, big oil, big agri-business etc. etc. everything they want and must be rewritten.
Sure we want capitalism and personal responsibility is what we are all about — HOWEVER we don’t deserve the predatory immoral mind set we have now.
Okay so tomorrow I will be pitching my tent complete with light in the front yard. My neighbors who are not plugged into the movement will wonder what that nut down the street it doing now but will eventually figure it out. Everyone should post the tent idea on their Facebook, Twitter, and any other personal media site. I will communicate it to the occupy groups in Columbus, Ohio and share at OccupyOSU on
A sign in the yard reading: 99%
My sign: “Not part of the 1%, but busting my ass to get there.”
Uhmm… wasting electricity would only add to the profits of the electric company. Maybe we should use homemade candles instead? No, wait: that would generate excess heat/emissions. How about a circut powered by a generator hooked up to a treadmill or exercise bike? Wouldn’t that be more Green??
beautiful idea — I love both the tents in front yards and signs at homes.
If you do it, take some nice pix and post them here there and everywhere – I bet that the idea will take off as people share your photos. And it will warm the hearts of city folk to see that support from the Front Yards of America!
The illuminated tent is a great idea for a meaningful silent revolution both visible and inexpensive. Is this on facebook, etc. I will start in my neighborhood by erecting one. Let me know when.
We should gets lots involved and synchronize the action! What color tent, white?
Also, can you tell me how to get my valid gripes listed and noticed by the most people? They are: student loans that are crippling young peoples futures, the most assinine oppression in a “free society.” Young people borrow, work, study, improve, train and plan and come out of the colleges with huge debts and loans to repay soon with not many chances at jobs that can use and pay for their skills and training. You must pay!!!!!
The other oppressive issue we should deal with right a way is the “fire at will” deal that companies can use to get rid of even their best workers if and when they wish. We have got to do something about these atrocities!!
That’s a freaking AWESOME idea! I’d also suggest getting a lit tent graphic up for all supporters of the #Occupy movement for their avatars over Facebook, Twitter, etc. Heck, I may just go do that right now… it’ll be the new ribbon:D
Josh, Thanks for this inspiring idea about putting up a tent to show solidarity!! Or a Cardboard Sign – either one or both will get attention. Well DONE!
This is a wonderful idea – way to show support all over the country. I would also like to see signs (like the political signs that show up everywhere this time of year) that simply say “Occupy” in amongst all the other names of people running for office.
So i have read, and glanced at many of the OWS stuff– i get it its information- but where are the actions?? so people around the US stand on streets holding signs and protesting- for what? what are the changes you are tying to accomplish- and please no one tell me to read the list above because those are just statements- not solutions
and what about those thousands of people in the streets? Don’t you have jobs to tend to? Do you think that the “1%” (non talking about gov. employees- im talking about the Bill Gates, the Steve Jobs the Oprah’s of the US) the ones who EARNED their titles at million or billionaires– do you really think they earned that money by bailing on work to hold some cardboard sign in the middle of some herd? and for those of you who are unemployed- why are you not out looking for work? I have been between jobs and its a full time job looking for a job, so why are you playing art at home making signs to just prove to everyone you are willing to fallow a crowd instated of speak /work for yourself.
So please if i have missed something, INFORM ME- that seems to be what the OWS is about at this point so inform me!
The changes are in the greed of the government; the taxes, the government spending, bailouts. Small, honest working businesses are being taxed uncontrollably to support the government. Large businesses afford to weasle their way out of such taxes, and out of rules the government has set (ie illegal loans and foreclosures). In turn, the middle class is suffering and working itself to the bone to get by.
You have some good points, like how Bill Gates and Oprah have EARNED their money, and how they only state the problems not sollutions.
As far as Bill Gates and Oprah and etc., the difference is the earned it. It is not the earners OWS is after, it’s the cheaters and scammers of the government who spend what they want because our taxes are paying for it.
Regarding the issues vs. solutions, this website is about shedding the light. You make your own solutions and opinions, they are merely trying to show people the inequalities.
You mentioned you glanced at the OWS website, maybe that’s the issue. You should do more than glance; actually read, and whether or not you agree with everything or anything, at least make informed opinions. Maybe this isn’t your forte, but you can’t see the whole story, or anything by “glancing.”
To AL -
I have seen and heard this or similar comments being made from a variety of folks and can understand the sentiment. This is my understanding of the situation -
From a distance it can seem that rhetoric is the only thing being generated. However, progress toward action is being made and is most obviously seen when participating in the General Assembly process directly. I would suggest trying to find one or more of the livestream video links to watch an assembly, or better yet, find the information for your local assembly and go attend in person!
I believe the other main factor in the “deliberate” pace of the assemblies deciding upon action is the process of direct democracy itself. I think people are somewhat new to this process, and both discussing and then coming to a consensus with such a large number of people can take time and considerable debate and dialectic. I believe over time people will become more comfortable with the process, however as more people join and participate, coming to consensus will still take a reasonable amount of time.
This is my understanding of the situation. There are probably many other factors at play, and you may very well get different answers from different folks. But I hope that my little blurb may have helped you. I think some patience is needed as things come together. It probably helps to remember that these are just regular folks, not a seasoned political machine, and that consensus takes longer than just doing what a lobbyist tells you to do ^_^
your time will come
Al, did you hear yourself? you are between jobs…. and its a full time job looking for one!! THATS BECAUSE THERE AREN”T ENOUGH!! don’t make dumb comments if your not interested than keep on hunting that job buddy! I currently have a job.. I am blessed I got hired w/ 300 others… out of thousands of applications!! we are 2 mo. in and they have let several go and hours are being cut for everyone… face it… times are really hard for everyone.. I too lost a house to foreclosure.. while I was working!!! the prices of everything has gone up sooo much its crazy… and I am currently making 20k less year than 2 yrs ago.. I have kids and its hard to just keep food on the table and I work full time!! I am the 99…. and so are you buddy!!!
I do not start this comparison of the Declaration of Independence and our current form of government light heartily. Nor do I do this to attack, insight revolt or cause a civil war. We as Americans have had our head in the sand for too long when it comes to Washington D.C… We no longer exercise or right to vote. We no longer have much if any participation in our government. We have career politicians. We no longer have Statesmen. We have the Electoral College decide who our president will be. Why? I’m not sure. Have we becomes sheepepole?
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Unfortunately the “great political experiment” in America is failing! In the course of our human events we are moving to dissolve the political bands that connect us with our current Federal Government. Our government is bloated and filled with self-centered self-seeking people who no longer represent “WE THE PEOPLE” but represent “We the Corporations and wealthy few”.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
We, meaning the people Hold these truths to be self-evident Meaning “It is only obvious to everyone but the elite few” That all men are created equal. And that a power great then mankind has granted us all Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
In order to protect these “god given rights” governments are formed by mankind and these governments get their justifiable powers from the consent of the masses not the elite few.
NOW HOLD ON BECAUSE HERE IS THE PART THAT IS HARD FOR EVERYONE TO SWALLOW
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness.
When politicians abuse their power or make such laws that affect our “Life, Liberty or the Pursuit of our Happiness” It is our right as being the consent of the governed to alter or abolish and to install a new government! Our government has failed us. Our government has abused us for the last 1oo years as best as I can figure.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;
This means that no government should be changed just “because”. That we should only change our government when it can no longer do what it was set out to do. As we have seen with our own government.
and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
We as people are comfortable with not changing. We become complacent with the way things are done. Even if it means that our government slowly takes away our rights 1 at a time. And justifies it by telling us we are protecting you.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Under our own Declaration of Independence we have the right to throw off our own government and start a new government to secure our future. The question is how much further do we need to go down the despotism hole until we stop it? Do we need to wait for American blood to be spilled?
Here is your reasons for thier manifesto. “They” violate the most important document this country has. And the problem is that a corporation is not a person therefore they feel the constitution does not apply to them.
The SCOTUSA declared corporations have human rights. They also ruled that the Rights of Americans are now a PRIVILEGE.
THANK YOU, BEN.
I read for half an hour and only a few people seem to understand. the system is broke, we need a new one. The issue that arises however is how do we accomplish this?
Our forefathers did it by leaving and starting new in a new land and doing it from scratch (basically), this is not an option for us, as we as a people are living in an existing land with existing situations. My belief is that no matter what the reform that we impose on the governement it will leave us with the same results as we have now and that we always have had. There can only be true growth if we form an new institution from the ashes of the old one.
However like stated this is not an option, the collapse of the government would force millions more out of jobs out of shelter and out of basic needs such as food and water. Within good conscience how could we force that upon a populace that may not even be in favor of such change?
People would die, and we as a nation would be forced to regress hundreds of years economically and most proposed systems of commerce and trade would fail due to the existing market and global trade system. We would become a third world country even more so at the mercy of privatized infrastructure. Its happened time and time again in any number of countries.
There simply is no way to demolish the government without increasing the effect of the conditions we wish to resolve. How much do you (or general population) pay for water? electricity? food? housing? The absence of government regulation would let these companies and other countries privatized infrastructure charge whatever they wanted untill it becomes unaffordable (moreso than now). And that is only one example of a number of issues that would arise from the abolishment of government.
But hey for what its worth, I’m in favor, lets burn it all and let the strong survive.
Gates and the others earned their “kingship” off the backs of others and our resources.
If they were so wonderful why does Gates want to pay less taxes.
gates wants to privatize and give his customers the shit end of the stick while he and his family live the high life.
His money is not his, mine is not mine(though I have none) it is gained in the raping of the earth with little regard to the future. Is it hard to take the idea that we all could have something rather than the current situation: 1 in 6 kids are hungry, hard hit cities have a 1 in 16 foreclosure rate, at least 23% of homeless are families with children.
If you are so afraid that the wealth will be redistributed then you should look again at where ‘your’ wealth comes from. I will gladly do with less so my brothers,sisters and the children of the world can live without fear of poverty.
Steve Jobs’ factory in China had to bar the windows to prevent suicidal leaping.
It is not that you earn money, it’s how. How much humanity do you give up at what price?
Right now our society is so rotted that the “All’s fair in _____, _______ &________ .” is more or less accepted. Can we just start by rethinking some of the old rules?
I cannot Join any groups and I wished to Join the 99% declaration group which I am part of on the forum and on Yahoo, in addition I would like to join the information and media groups – we need to respond back to having a legitimacy clearing house so that all those wishing to join are given a clearing house for their information and that noone is slienced because they cannot make it to the NY GA
America is pissed, and with good reason. Corruption, greed, and control is getting old. But while I agree with SOME of these grievances, I’m afraid of the solution that may come when/if this movement is answered. The answer will be in the form of redistribution of wealth (meaning the people that earned their money honestly will have worked hard and saved all their life just to have it stolen from them and handed to someone else), too much government regulation in the private sector, and generally the Socialization of America. Then do you not think there will be corruption?
There are answers to this, but they aren’t very easy or comfortable, so no one likes them:
Grow your own food. It’s healthier anyway.
If they charge you to use a debit card, don’t have one.
If Nike outsources, don’t buy Nike.
Don’t have a job? Acquire a skill and go out and get one. Start your own business.
We complain because credit companies conspired to all raise ATM fees, but we use the ATM anyway instead of planning ahead and making a withdrawal at the bank. Do you see where I’m going with this?
Granted, there are more problems that can’t be fixed like this, but if the National Global Warming Conference wasn’t held in Indonesia, where everyone attending flew their fuel-burning, carbon-emitting private jet to be, several of the things on this list could be fixed.
Umm, everyone around the world (the full 99%) is ticked. America’s set is just now waking up. We are actually late to the game.
Not everyone can grow their own food because of where they live. So that’s a tough one to realize. I agree with you about debit/credit cards. I’ve never fallen into that mainly because of the way I was brought up. Accepting credit was frowned on. Save your money and then buy what you want rather than pay someone so you can pay someone else. I always wonder why would anyone do that. Its like, you go to buy something that you need to live and someone runs up to you and says, hey wait, before you pay him you have to pay me so you can pay him. The convolution is over the top for me. It’s like dealing with the mafioso.
I worked for a shoe factory once when I was a teenager in Pa. for Keds. Not a great job, repetitive, mind numbing work at a punching maching 6 days a week with a half hour for lunch. If the profiteers of a company like this were to have some sort of profit sharing collective and all the profit wasn’t going to straight to the top, it might be feasible to work at a job like this for some people. When I hear someone like Richard Simmons saying he couldn’t keep his clothing line in business if he didn’t outsource the labor for his products because the price of doing business in the U.S. is too high, I have to question that whole mind set. And then I have to ask, how rich does anyone have to be and at what expense to the lives of the people and the environment being exploited for that economic power. Seems rather unethical to me, which probably explains why I live in relative poverty. I said to myself once that I wouldn’t buy anything from cheap outsourced labor but its almost impossible. Nothing is made here anymore. Even if you don’t buy Nikes, whatever brand you do buy, it’s the same story. I would like to see the end of that type of accumulative wealth in the hands of those “entrepeneurs” and the wealth of the labor spread out on a more egalitarian basis. The creation and fight for unions that were fought by my antecedents was what allowed them to enjoy a middle class life, have kids, and a pension to retire on. Old age is not a segue to the “golden years.” Its a time of physical deterioration, illness and ultimately death. All those ads with the couple in the retirement park playing golf and enjoying martinis is the same old spiel as smoking Lucky Strikes because they taste good and 9 out of ten doctors recommend them.
I have worked at my place of employment since i got out of high scholl no i was not interested in going to college nor am I now. We are presently being downsized going to work is so depressing now everyone waiting on pins and needles for the doors to be shut just so our CEO can make another million and million in stock options.while our jobs are being sent to El Salvador. All I want is the right to have a job and make a living for me and my family but our goverment was bought by NAFTA and decided that greed was more important than the working people in America. I am all for small business but we need jobs that will hire workers with insurance and some benefits and not just work us 20 hrs a week. I am glade that someone is finally standing up and saying enough is enough..Go OCCUPANCY someone needs to fight for us because its not the ones in Washington.
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Somehow this hasn’t been updated here. Please post this updated version. This is what was presented on Friday: http://bit.ly/qPvcBB – this is the official document coming out of Structure WG.
Wouldn’t it be useful to date the revisions as well?
And I second his request, please update this page with the most recent version of the document.
Good point on the date. I’ve uploaded a revision available at the same link.
Thank you all for your comments =)
We will be posting an updated version on Wed.
(Structure Working Group)
Thank you for filling us in on some of the structure working group’s ideas. If any of the members could fill in more detail it would be helpful.
So what exactly is it that qualifies you to re-engineer society?
You and your group, by all appearances, are seriously unqualified: (Unemployed, or uninspired work history, virtually no experience in economics, unable to enunciate clear and attainable goals, unfortunate tendency to jingoism at the expense of rational thought).
Now, read up on Trotsky.
Take this survey to share your views of how you want to accomplish this declaration.
Well, it seems the message is out. Now comes the action part. What is the next step? How do we accumulate ideas to fix these issues, then implement them?
http://t.co/1h9K9DJ9 simple answer to complex problem spread the news please…
Is that an advertisement? I don’t tweet, as I am not 13. While I am glad you guys are not living in squalor, this board seems to have the feel of a dorm room orientation, moreso than a political movement. Hope that doesn’t come out wrong. I want to help, but do not have money to offer, live on a dead end street, and can only hope your laundry issues are resolved, but These are not solutions to the problem you are representing.
There seems to be less communication about the issues than I expected. This is not burning man, it’s a movement, why does it feel like someone is going to post that someones mom brought brownies and they are in the “community” room sooner than anyone is going to take this seriously and start working out the details of affecting actual change to the system that has paralyzed us for so long.
I promise I’m not a conservative in sheep’s clothing, but where is the group hammering out the issues with volunteer tax advisers and economists? Who has the history majors in a closet? We are about to be laughed out of our freedoms if nothing comes of this. It will be the 60′s all over again, and the detractors will have more ammunition to dissuade the sheeple from changing themselves, or the self serving habits which have allowed the powers to be to reign for so long unattested. The window is closing, time is short.
At first everyone was interested in what would come of this. Many were willing to offer a free pass to the disorganization. While this is certainly more organized, it seems the agenda has tapered to simply surviving. While a good strategy in life, a movement that does not make.
The attention is there. No need to hang signs, or tents. Everyone is already watching. Not that they are bad ideas to show symbolic support, but you already have a VERY strong support base hidden, quietly waiting for debate on new policy, or possibly ways to oust an entire congress based on known deception of the people. An amendment to the constitution to allow congressmen and women to be accountable and punishable by law might need to be kicked around. Where is that conversation being held?
We aren’t going to make much headway by trying to vote them out. They changed the voting game so much no one has a chance to get an honorable candidate to the plate, much less into an office. You only have to repeat that daunting task 535 more times (ending with a new president). This level of corruption does not simply go away, and the changes we need are incredibly complicated.
Please someone help me keep my hope, and maybe point me towards a group that is more involved with strategy to move the country forward, not just the movement its self. Hope no one takes that the wrong way. Thanks in advance!
Have you checked out the daily calendar of events on OWS’ website?! I’m sorry, but you don’t really know what you are talking about. There are strategy sessions all day every day down at Zucotti Park. If you are in NYC, go down there, if not, start holding strategy sessions in your community. Stop waiting for someone else to lead. The time is for all of us to step up now. There are daily seminars at OWS that address how we can take our government back so it is an actual democracy again. Tonight there is a teach-in at Washington Square Park. It is your responsibility to become informed.
Thanks Nicole, but that’s what I’m talking about. It’s IN NY. While that’s great for those who are there and able to participate, what about the rest of us, who want to do more than simply put up a tent. Or go buy a tent to put it up to signify I am part of a movement I have not had one ounce of say in as of yet. I don’t need people in NY making decisions for me ant more than I need people in Washington. It isn’t really about the people, if only the people in New York have a say.
Your dismissive tone of my concerns suggests to me that you think everything is going fine. That’s great, now tell me where we are on the list of solutions, or is this just some big outside slumber party for you, and you can’t be bothered with such nuances as the future of our country.
And for your final comment, yes it IS my responsibility to be informed. Where would I go to do that genius? I have to drive to New York to get in on the discussion. It’s your responsibility to not be a douche, can you manage?
people are working around the clock. you should watch the general assemblies or read the minutes each day or as much as possible. that is the best way to be informed of what is happening as we speak. horizontal democracy takes a lot of time! get involved however you can!
I would very much like to follow the general assembly meetings, but where do I go online to find access to the minutes and the videos? Livestream does not seem to be the place to watch the general assembly after all. I just go round and round the website until I get frustrated. I appreciate any hints from the media savvy.
Never mind I found it!
Please cease talking like a politician and DO something. Do you not realize we have to get their attention first? It is a brilliant idea, silent and powerful, to put up tents, FIRST, to get us synchroized and ready for action. Let’s get together with our many ideas for change. The fact that we can is democracy, plain and simple.
To whom are you speaking Deeda? Just want to make sure your message reaches it’s intended recipient.
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The link for the laundry & shower donation form goes nowhere. Please fix as there are people trying to sign up.
Yes, I was trying to sign up to donate my place for showers. Thanks web team for fixing this as soon as you’re able.
What do you guys think of Ron Paul’s message. He says that he endorses those in the movement who are there for the right reasons. I would hope everybody in the movement at least educates themselves on his views and makes there own opinions. The more you know, the more amo you have to fire against anybody from the media asking questions.
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In 2000 the U.S. Supreme Court usurped the right of the people to elect their national President and Vice-President. The Court’s action was an act of treason. Nothing short of a coup d’etat was carried out by the High Court. As a direct consequent of that Court’s action, the national government was immediately rendered illegitimate and continues to remain so.
The response of Congress to Bush v. Gore, was to replace the will of the people with its own corporate spousers. The Republican Congress pushed through the Help America Voting Act (HAVA) which was signed into law by Mr. George W. Bush in Oct. 2002. That law facilitated the implementation of electronic voting systems in any state that wished to use them (the federal government heavily subsidized the introduction of these machines in voting precincts across the U.S.).
Using the rationale of the Court (hanging chads and helping handicapped people vote) to justify the transition to electronic voting, the Congress proved to be silent on the issue of electronic voter system certification. Since the software used for these voting systems is proprietary (privately owned), certification of the votes was left to private corporations to count and tabulate the vote. This remains the case today.
Thus the potential for manipulating the votes is ever present and self-evident. By making the election races appear close, it becomes strategically possible if not probable to engineer outcomes. In tight elections, using electronic voting machines in just 1 or 2 states, the outcome can easily be left with a 2-3% margin of error. Such a margin is within the statistical range of acceptable error and therefore is not likely to be subject to scrutiny nor will it be reviewed by state voting commissions dominated by flavored interests. It is thus impossible to audit. Many voting jurisdictions do not use paper audits and, where and when they exist, their reliable is unknown due to a complete lack of a system of public certification.
When one reflects on the amount of money involved in national elections with no limit on the amount private corporations can spend (Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission) , the potential for fixed elections is clear. In is, of course, instructive to consider that the Outlaw Court is once again replacing the prerogative of the People to a government of their choice for one selected by corporatist constituents.
Removing any possible doubt about the legitimacy of our elections is crucial to restoring faith in our system of government and for any semblance of a faith that the U.S. economy is not rigged by a corrupt government.
Take back the vote now!
Well spoken ! Yes..it is imperative to get control of the voting process, and to remove the big money influence involved in elections. I notice several posts above…several possible trolls, or some of little faith in OWS.
If Jack is correct his point deserves very serious consideration as perhaps a top priority of this movement or color it gone and turn to violence. I’d prefer a working democratic process though.
If you have ever stated “The Constitution is whatever the Supreme Court says it is,” then you are being hypocritical. Or you could have had an honest change of heart. The Supreme Court decided that the 14th amendment was being violated by the Florida counting process. Me? I’ve never made the claim.
Very well stated. Any system that is used for voting should be completely open and transparent and free to replicate and use as needed by anyone. There should be no proprietary component of the system permitted. Any hardware, software, or process, should be completely transparent. No patents no limitations. Building and providing the system would be a paid-for service, with the result being public ownership of the system with the ability of hiring anyone they want to service the system.
We must amend the US Constitution to affirm that:
1. a corporation is NOT a “person” and does NOT have constitutional rights that were intended for human beings and
2. money is NOT “free speech” and therefore is CAN be regulated in the political process.
Learn about Move To Amend, a nonprofit coalition of organizations that came together in response to the Citizens United v. FEC. That’s the US Supreme Court decision that freed corporations to spend unlimited money campaigning for or against candidate in elections. http://www.MoveToAmend.org
Getting money out of politics is the most important, after that anything is possible
You are so correct.
consider signing the petition to create an amendment to the constitution to get money out of campaigns: http://www.getmoneyout.com/
Ok, corporations are not people. Last I checked, you can only sue people.
Ergo, you will no longer be able to sue a corporation. Don’t even try to say “oh, we’ll make them people in terms of being able to punish them, but not give them rights.”
But do remember that corporations are made up of people assembling together for a common goal. The 1st Amendment protects both the right of people to assemble as to speak as an assembled group. Ergo, even if you take corporate person hood away, they may still issue political statements.
Check again. Corporations can sue and be sued by humans,by governments, and by corporations.
I don’t see why a Constitutional amendment is needed to state what is a matte of dictionary definition. Are we going to add a definition for every word in the Constitution?
OK why don’t we add a glossary to the Constitution.
Amendment XXVIII: Glossary of Terms for this Constitution:
Person: [plural people] A human being, homo sapiens, of the animal group, called mammals..
Speech: A form of communication between humans, talking. Money is not included in the definition of speech. Speech includes writing on paper or writing messages on a computer or handheld device.. etc
Corporation: An organization assembled for conducting business that employs people to make profit or return on investment or for other purposes.. A corporation may sue or be sued in court but does not have the protections of the U S Constitution such as freedom of speech, equal protection under law, and right of privacy, that are only given to humans., .
“Ergo, you will no longer be able to sue a corporation.”
Yes, and that may be a very good outcome, because NOW you will be able to sue the actual people (owners, employees, etc.) of the corporation when you are wronged by them. In current law, you sue the corporation, but the people who actually caused harm are protected using the shell of the corporation. You can not get to them.
If you remove the shell, you can bet the owners and operators of the corporation would be far more careful about how they operate because they would be personally liable. Just imagine what a difference that would make–they would be personally liable just like you and me are for any harm we might cause to others.
I think there is greed and corruption in the government. I also believe Americans have gotten lazy, and the corruption is not limited to the government. There must be personal choices made as well to prove we are better than the government. We are a consumer society: we need food, we go to the store, we need fuel, we go to the gas station, we need clothes, we go to the mall. We have become obese with our list of desires; we are controlled by our wants and needs and the companies providing them.
There not only needs to be a change in the government, but in the lives of all Americans.
Change isn’t easy; we all need to work harder to represent the change we need the government to make.
I agree. It is a two way street: we were led astray, but we allowed ourselves to be led astray. For better or worse, since coming to grips with reality hasn’t happened until now, now is as good a time as any to change.
I can’t register????
Are you successfully receiving packages at the address listed above? I know several people here in North Carolina that would be willing to send items. I just want to be sure it reaches you. Thanks.
First off, I want to applaud everybody participating in peaceful revolution. Its about time people start standing up and demand to get heard. I live in Norway where Im proud to say we have a quite open and transparent society. Elected officials actually represent the people, contrary to American (my social-democratic Nordic view).
Call me a communist/socialist or whatever you like. I on the other hand view myself as a humanitarian. It`s something fundamentally wrong with a system that makes the rich, richer and the poor, poorer.
To further promote your cause you have to use as many means as possible (peaceful that is). Be creative.
One idea could be to go around in apartmentbuildings and get people to hang up post-its in their windows. “occupywallstreet”, on windows on a couple of thousand households across the country would catch the eye of many, and it`s a fun way to get the message out there.
While I love the idea of trying to organize some kind of national organizing effort and a broad based national assembly, I think that this proposal has not been thought through very carefully and does not make a lot of strategic sense. The idea of holding a national gathering on July 4th in Philadelphia and beginning to plan for this now is very appealing however. But why limit this assembly to 870 delegates and what if some districts do not want to select/elect a delegate. And why wait until next July to hold the first National Assembly and to decide on or approve a platform when with modern communication tools we can do these things virtually much quicker than this and in a much more participatory manner.
Instead of committing ourselves to such a rigid plan, without even consulting with most of the Occupy US groups, I would suggest that the occupy movement should begin to discuss how we can build a platform and action campaign in a much more open and participatory manner right now and then start it within the next couple of weeks; and then how we can begin to set up a representative process and body that includes all of the occupy organizations as soon as we can.
There are a lot of us with experience in how such things can be done, from the peace and anti-nuclear movements, anti-globalization movement, groups that are active at the UN, etc.
In addition, we should not be targeting the 2014 election in 2012. We should be targeting the 2012 election. And we should not be throwing out the baby with the bath water by opposing all sitting congress people. Why would we want to get rid of Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, Barbara Boxer, etc to name just a few? By opposing all of our political representatives we would just be shooting ourselves in the foot. No matter how frustrated and angry we are with the Democrat and Republican parties – blindly opposing all Democrats and Republicans is just crazy.
We would lose all of the mainstream support that the Occupy movement is now getting.
I hope my response will be shared with all of those that have come up with and supported these ideas. Again I really like the idea of holding a national General Assembly in Philadelphia on July 4th and of developing and supporting a national agenda and action campaign. I just think that a lot more thought needs to go into how to organize and develop these things.
long time political organizer and activist
robwheeler22 @ gmail.com
google calendar was better. more flexible, and broad reaching. ever since this new nycga site is up whatever events that were on the calendar are now lost. I only found out about the granny peace brigade action at lincoln center from the google calendar, if this nycga site was active earlier, i would not have found out about it.
There’s also no way people outside the system (now that nycga has become the system/authority) to add stuff to the calendar.
and it also makes sense to create a more flexible events page now that national and local attention is focused on OWS, people are always looking for info on events, speakers, actions, etc. and not finding it. whatever info found on facebook or twitter is spotty at best.
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desperately need a wiki and 1001 sub forums in order to create reasonable and transparent organization. without it the movement is going to fade like 2003 protests for lack of being able to manage to addres the complexity of the issues.
Agreed 100% Is there any plan for any of these things in the near future? Sounds like were getting somewhere. I like it!
If you go to http://www.occupytogether.org/ you should be able to find a protest in your area. Thank you for your service <3
“anarchist” er. ? forgive me while i take 5 steps back. I could go for “democracy” college. I do not agree with anarchism and find it to be an infantile, impossible ideology detached from science.
Don’t alienate 98 percent. only one percent thinks anarchism is kewl the rest of us think the system is broken and corrupt but are hardly interested in supporting anarchism as it is NOT an alternative.
The failure to create meaningful; organization is a direct consequence of that bent and anarchy is certainly what is going on.
Please don’t make me fight OWS the same way i ended up having to fight the venus project over fatal errors like these.
John, I wish to address you with respect, but throughout your note you left little respect for myself and other anarchists. I hope you and others who will read this will understand that my unwillingness to accept your rude opinions with polite kindness. To begin, I can understand your fear, but I’ll not forgive you as you “take 5 steps back. I don’t encourage others to forgive you for lack of courage, either. Why would you prefer a “democracy” college? Because it already sits well with your preconceptions of what is morally acceptable? I encourage you to question your upbringing. The experience of this occupation is already outside of the bounds of “democracy” as understood in political science. The consensus decision making process being exercised at Occupy Wall Street, and now at occupied sites throughout the country, is an extension of anarchist philosophy. If you prefer democracy, you are invited to vote on your preferences and accept a majority held vote — but do not expect consensus.
If this anarchist college would help rehabilitate the soured reputation of anarchist philosophy, a body of thought that goes back to the early 1800s. It is true that a slim minority respects anarchism now, but that will hardly change without effort on our part. The horizontalist composition of Occupy Wall Street already presents a solid argument for the practical aspects of anarchist theory and practice. Can we not take this opportunity to encourage society to reassess its prejudices?
That you do not agree with anarchism is fine, but your prejudices that it is “infantile, impossible ideology detached from science” are put down immediately by an understanding of anarchist philosophy. No philosophy is inherently infantile, except to minds already too small to consider them in good faith. And of science? All political philosophy is detached from the hard calculations of “science.” Science gives answers, while philosophy asks questions. Your appeal to rationalism falls flat when you consider that Liberalism and its system of Democracy is also detached from science. However, anarchism is not detached from scientists. Many notable anarchists of the 1800s were attracted to anarchism precisely because they saw it as the most scientific of the socialist projects. Peter Kropotkin, a Russian botanist and evolutionary biologist, was attracted to anarchism due to its association with his studies in the field and crated the school of “anarchist communism” as a result. Elle Recluse, a French geologist, was a well respected anarchist who contributed to early studies in environmentalism, decades ahead of his time.
The contributions of anarchism and anarchists to Occupy Wall Street’s success thus far should be appreciated by everyone; not derided as causing “failure to create meaningful; organization” (sic). Anarchists are not inherently against organization, but merely hierarchical organizations that strip participants of power. Your problems with other organizations and movements is none of our concern, unless you can justifbly link your problems with a similar source. Take your “Venus Project” fears back to your therapist if your feeling paranoid. The rest of us are too busy trying to fix our own problems to have to fix yours — your fears, prejudices, ignorance, and paranoia — as well.
Pat on the back, Cast. Well done.
Very measured, respectful and thoughtful response, Cast. Thank you for sharing this and for not perpetuating the cycle of negativity and single-mindedness this commenter, John, was beginning.
Also, John, you say you have had to “fight” the Venus Project and feel threatened by a certain aspect of the Occupy movement (e.g the concept of anarchy), but what might happen if you and I, instead of fighting a group or movement we may generally agree on, were to speak up and dialectically approach the snag? If I have learned anything from OWS in the two short months it has been developing, it is that humanity is far more powerful to create productive syntheses and find solutions in the face of true obstacles than we have ever given ourselves credit!
Sent food & will send more, sending money, have some clean warm coats, gloves and scarves to donate. Can you use them? What are your needs? Please list so supporters can send them. Thanks
I was asking this q last night at the Comfort Station and they said SOCKS and SHOES. Also Underwear. I would also assume towels after today’s rain. Thank you!!! Tara
Thanks. Makes sense. I’m trying to locate someone in my area who’s going to NYoccupy to give them supplies. I saw a link to a local occupy a few days ago, but can’t find it now.
Found the link: http://www.occupytogether.org/
Then found my local group. No word about supply transport to NY, yet.
go here to post in comfort: http://www.nycga.net/groups/comfort/
if you want to know what people need you can always try twitter @needsoftheoccupiers
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How about going out and buying your own socks and shoes—–or making them yourselves if you hate the companies that produce these products.
I would like to lead an Occupy in my living room. In the next few days, I’ll have a website where ppl can send me food, money, clothes, furnature, appliances, cars, dog/cat food, and rolling papers. Let’s RESTORE THE POWER TO THE PEOPLE, people!!
How should money orders be made out? Who to? Occupy Wall Street?
I’ve tried registering twice, but never received the confirmation email that enables me to log into the site.
I send my support and gratitude to ALL OWS protestors in the world!!!!!!
Sorry to bother you, but I keep trying to register for the nycga site, but I never get sent the confirmation email to finish the registration. Please help, so I can help.
Take the money out of politics
any other ideas from anyone to spread this Action Plan! Simplistic visual representation of a real solution…http://t.co/1h9K9DJ9
Rape of the earth’s resources and carbon pollution are the crimes of corporate greed
Make ecocide and carbon pollution crimes against humanity see http://www.eradicatingecocide.com/
For the extent of the problem see Joe Romm’s synopsis on climate change http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/28/330109/science-of-global-warming-impacts/
For a leader and a hero listen to Sen Whitehouse’s speech http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6VQ0vYfrAw&feature=player_embedded
Howdy, Include me in the number who had a difficult time registering. I registered (twice) with a yahoo account, and never received the confirmation email. It wasn’t in my spam folder. But when I tried with a gmail account, all was well.
In reference to bullet point #6 (preventing workers from negotiating salary, benefits and workplace safety): though the statement is true, I believe that collective bargaining is the primary target. It may be worth considering re-wording the statement to be more specific to collective bargaining, though definitely not necessary, as the current form works well as a general grievance.
Thank you for getting this started!
Is anyone working on a more systematic matching of needs with donations? It looks like there’s no way for someone donating to know if a given need as been met or not. If so, I would imagine there must be a lot of redundant donations–both for a given location and between locations. I think people would also be more likely to make a donation if they had more information–like, say, “as of [date] there is a need for xx meals, or for xx sleeping bags, in location Y.” I am not at all a techy but would imagine it wouldn’t be too hard to set up something pretty useful on the web that would help match donors from all over with all the various occupy sites. If there’s anyone out there either familiar with the needs and current system, or with the techy side of how to do this, please say hi. Thanks!
Gimme Gimme Gimme! Why not put the effort for free stuff into something productive. Create your own product and sell it. I bet you wouldn’t be inclined to give it away for free after pouring your hard work, ideas, money, and time into the product
You make a very good puppet. You make a very poor investigator.
Perhaps each protestor could see to their own needs? Radical.
There is a big difference between “corporations” and “The Corporate Oligarchy”.
The mainstream media (owned by The Corporate Oligarchy) keeps the Right fired up against the Left by calling an attack on corporations.
OWS should consider abandoning the use of the word “corporation” and replace it with “The Corporate Oligarchy”,
The executive, judicial, and legislative branches of our government are overseen by a sovereign power. It needs a catchy name. Oligarchy is a scary word and sounds fictionalto most people. Any suggestions?
“Mob” worked pretty good in the 1920′s and 30′s, but that may be too “harsh”.=_P
I just found this interesting point made at Wikipedia about oligarchies:
Especially during the Fourth Century BC, after the restoration of democracy from oligarchical coups, the Athenians used the drawing of lots for selecting government officers in order to counteract what the Athenians acutely saw as a tendency toward oligarchy in government if a professional governing class were allowed to use their skills for their own benefit. They drew lots from large groups of adult volunteers as a selection technique for civil servants performing judicial, executive, and administrative functions (archai, boulē, and hēliastai). They even used lots for very important posts, such as judges and jurors in the political courts (nomothetai), which had the power to overrule the Assembly.
From: Bernard Manin, Principles of Representative Government 19-23 (1997).
We could always go with Kleptocracy.
Registration doesn’t seem to be working with @yahoo.com email addresses – tried another address and it worked. Sounds like several folks are having similar issue
Twinkles – hilarious!!
Like others I can’t register.
I enter information, get message that I will receive activation email and it never arrives.
I’ve tried from two browsers and two different email accounts from different service providers, yahoo, optimum.
I’ve confirmed nothing is going into any junk mail filters as well.
Please fix this otherwise participation is being inadvertently limited.
I tried registering several times yesterday and today.
I used three different e-mail addresses and two browsers.
But never received confirmation e-mail message.
Thanks to CJ Holm, who noted in this thread the IMPORTANT FACT that registration WORKS IF (and apparently only if) one has a GMAIL account.
I twinkle that!
I’m a little confused that some of the Groups don’t have a Forum menu item, so there doesn’t seem to be space to create or discuss topics in the group. Meanwhile, I have found one group that has a Blog option in its Menu. Would it be possible to have the inclusion of Forum and Blog as a default in all groups, and to create them for existing groups.
We need to activate groups forms. There are still some things that need to be brought fully up-to-speed on the site yet.
I’ll be going down to the park today and running tutorials near the info desk.
There are many misguided efforts, and it seems that the OWS movement has become a platform for just about any concern. A movement needs to focus and be very clear on what it seeks to accomplish.
First let me say that this problem is not liberal or conservative, democrat or republican but it is a common problem we all share. One key point must be stressed we are all affected by the issue at hand.
The basis of the problem is the laws that have enabled and perpetuated the problem. If you look at the fall of the exchange in 1929, its cause and the reaction by the government you will find most of the problem. In 1929 only ~10% of all businesses were public and the remainder was private. ~2% of the population were involved in trading stocks and most of the individuals we very heavily leveraged (They bought on credit).
Next the market dropped, individuals lost their ability to pay off their margin accounts and wiped out the capital overnight in the banking system, Couple that with the hysteria of the people running on the banks to get there gold out and you have a recipe for disaster.
For most they were not initially affected by the falls of the exchange in 1929 but when banks failed they felt it. Businesses lost credit to operate, accounts were wiped out and small private business failed. No fault of their own but the fault of the overzealous banks. Individuals found there savings wiped out alongside the private businesses and the world plunged into the abyss.
The reaction to this was FDR and the 1933 securities act and the 1934 securities and exchange act. What these two pieces of legislation did was strip the ability of the small private business (who did not cause the market collapse) to raise capital in a traditional form, Bonds. Direct investment was for many years the mainstay of the entrepreneur. It put the restrictions on who could invest (Qualified institutional investor) and how the investments could be sold. It stripped the ability of the individual to invest and make the high returns they became accustomed to and placed all of it into the hands of the very few 1%.
Today if you are a business owner there is a glass ceiling of about $3 million dollars where a business could potentially get debt to expand, retool, or modernize. The Wall Street and Banks prefer an Equity offering. How often do small business owners sell the majority share of the company they own under a public offering or private sale (sale to high net worth’s) to raise the capital they need. The horror stories of this arrangement are very clear. They give up control, get voted out of the company and the new share holders shut them down move the product manufacture to China to maximize the return to the High Net Worth investor (new owner).
The laws perpetuate the problem. Now remove the Glass-Steagall Act and it becomes a high net worth orgy.
Focus, access the laws, and fix the system that perpetuates the behavior.
Great info. So if we can combine Marcelo’s idea to get enough people to start a petition to submit a movement to congress for vote, we can put (among other things) the re-institution of the Glass-Steagall Act. Now we’re getting somewhere.
Does anyone have a lawyer handy to investigate Marcelo’s claim? We need to know ALL of the ins and out of the law on this. If it passes, lets get a few petitions started to get some of these ideas into law by circumventing congress all together. We may find we do not need congress.
This is all predicated on the notion we get some solid ideas together and work the kinks out of them.
We’re getting there!
I agree. I think over time the general public who support OWS will grow weary unless there is some direction and focus.
This is a positive development.
Very interesting article!!
I as of now am still unemployed because my job was outsourced to china , because of this I can not donate any money : ( but I am VERY good at Photoshop and anything graphic related. I would like to offer you this any any other related skills you need to help take back our country from the kidnappers of democracy . I live in LA California and I am the 99%
try posting in media http://www.nycga.net/groups/media/
I will begin to occupy the space outside the Simi Valley CA PD/City Offices starting this weekend.
Not one word about war. Isn’t war at the bottom of most of our problems with jobs and the economy right now?
Look, I think this OWS has begun to reek of socialism or communism — I dont know my -isms too well.
But my point is, I’m a firm supporter of Capitalism… isn’t capitalism what helped the US become the greatest economic power in the world? I don’t think OWS should be against capitalism. If you have the ambition to build a massive company from the ground up, more power to you, you deserve lots of money!
Shouldn’t the point of the OWS movement be to stop CORRUPTION in corporations? Shouldn’t the point be to separate money from politics and government?
I’m definitely not one for anarchy or communism or socialism… capitalism is what makes America great, right?!
Honestly, we have a very narrow viewpoint about capitalism and what it’s done to the world. After reading books like “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” and studying effects of our self-centric stance in the US, I am disgusted with capitalism. It’s one thing to be the greatest, it’s another to show others how to be great themselves: we’ve become great at the expense of almost everyone else and it is a crying shame.
We have an insatiable, unsustainable economic model started by the robber-barons of the late 19th, early 20th century. We’ve plugged into their human labor machines and think that we are living. Is it truly living just because our kids can go to the store and buy one of a gazillion barbie dolls? Have our children learned to cultivate the earth, their minds, and action in their communities? If they don’t have it on hand, can they invent something on their own? Are we actually self-sufficient if we were to find ourselves without power tomorrow? Can we bring health to the sick if we don’t have access to medicine? Do we have truly living knowledge or are we eluded into thinking that our great society is really that great just because we can charge it on the plastic “wonder card” and “have it”?
Veedgo whoever you are…what you’ve contributed to this discussion makes a lot of sense to me. This movement as whole, I hope, will generate some change in the practices of both government and big biz. I think we the people have been a bit absent in our constitutional role, turns out it takes more than voting, who’d a thunk it:) This last comment you make about what essentially comes down to our value system seems painfully true. If we look at how Americans spend money, their’s or someone else’s it seems we don’t mind giving companies, well known for screwing us, our money. Watch a BP station, no shortage of customers there. News about their reduced share price isn’t related to our refusal to buy from them. I guess we don’t care, money talks! We’re rightfully scared by the unemployment situation, but oh don’t Chinese made goods fly off the shelves at Walmart. I was in Saudi working when the people of Egypt and then Bahrain decided enough was enough, listening to the people around me, Arabs of every stripe, genuinely at their wits end made me post about how I thought I could see the same winds blowing on this side of the pond. The process here in the US may look different, but how high would the unemployment rate have to go before the shit hits the fan…We’re not far off brother. I’d hate to see it but we don’t need to be history majors to realize the truly powerful, don’t give it up without a fight. So lets hope this movement grows to become a national distraction of the first order and out of it comes a cleansing first of government and then Biz. As far as big biz goes, no body is fixing that without a very big stick. Effective government and or where you spend your money are the only power greed understands. I have no problem with good companies. To be clear, fear of the law, of getting caught, is what I mean by good companies not the quality of their products. The ones that got “too big to fail.” Yeah. that’s too damn big. Big wasn’t the problem though corruption was. It’s at least partially true that big in this country means rich enough to buy elected officials? We can all see that kind of problem! Is it too much to hope for to think we can find a way to pay down 14+ Trillion dollars in dept. Create jobs. Find the political will to tell everyone that medicare, medicaid, and social security as currently written are unsustainable. Put (I use the word “put” here instead of “vote” thinking force may be necessary option) into office enough openly like minded individuals to get their house in order then identify and breakup every company that has broken so many rules letting them continue to exist would be a crime in itself…
Well, If you’re seeking Communism then maybe you should look at the history of China, Cuba, and Russia. Communism is CORRUPT. May i suggest reading George Orwell’s book Animal Farm? Also, are you aware of the human rights violations in Communist countries? Socialism requires a government to pay for the needs of it’s citizens, usually through taxation, so help me to understand …. If you’re unemployed and against the greed of the rich then who’s going to pay the taxes that would fund socialism here? I’m FAR from being rich, i’m just a working stiff like everyone else lucky to have a job nowadays. I live paycheck to paycheck, but i don’t understand the end game of this movement.
And one more thing:
Drug companies block generic forms of drugs because a generic producer doesnt need to go through the years and years and BILLIONS of dollars of research, development, and testing spent to bring just one new drug to the market.
Asking them to allow generics right away would be like doing away with copyright or patent laws.
I do support a discounted drug program for those in need, but a flat out “allow generics immediately” policy would destroy the funding and financial motivation to develop MORE life-saving drugs.
Read the statement again:
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments THAT HAVE ALREADY TURNED A SUBSTANTIAL PROFIT.
I think that last part says it all.
They don’t charge $7.00 a pill for some thing that cost thirty cents to make because they enjoy people being sick. They charge $7.00 a pill for a pill that costs thirty cents because the second pill cost thirty cents to make…the first one cost four million. If they can not recoup their research and developement costs and make a profit then they won’t develope the next drug, and that may be the one that you or I need. That’s why they get exclusive rights to market their own product for seven years, then anyone can use their work and market the same drug generically and pay no royalties whatsoever. I hope one day you invent a better light bulb or build a better mouse trap. How would you feel if the government came in and told you that you had to give away your idea to anyone that wanted it, for free I’m sure the first thing you were gonna do was to start a non-profit to help give your product away anyhow, right?
It is simply not true. The pharma companies like to go on about how much was spent in r&d on some drug. But in virtually every case, they did NOT spend that money. WE DID!
Much of this r&d is done in university labs, on research grants, from the government, and from science foundations, and from charitable foundations, using equipment paid for by the academy. Even r&d done in house by the pharma co themselves, funding for clinical trials, funding for production, etc., even the bulk of these costs can usually be traced back to our tax dollars, through government subsidies and generous federal grants, if you actually take the time to follow the money trails.
Big pharma is very good at twisting the truth into a lie. They don’t pay to develop these drugs. We pay for the development with our tax dollars. Sick people who need the drugs pay for the development ahead of time. Families of sick people often contribute a lot to these development costs. Scientific foundations pay for the development. And big-pharma rakes in the profits after the fact. Their initial investment costs may also be fairly high in some cases, but their investment is mostly spent on securing and protecting exclusive production rights.
Do you honestly beleive that our world’s sientists and governments and academies would not be working to cure diseases and develop drugs if it weren’t for big-pharma monopolization? That is a patently absurd proposition. Monopolies do not encourage inovation, they restrict it.
I am afraid that your argument is misinformed. Although health related research is conducted many places and enjoys considerable support from the US government (i.e. tax payers), the most relevant research is almost exclusively the domain of industry. Industry aims to make a drug – and a profit of course – whereas researchers focus primarily on understanding disease. These areas are linked, but if you take either away no new medicines will be produced. If your notions were correct, new drugs would frequently come from universities and research institutes, but they don’t. If the problem were industrial monopolization preventing such actions, the would-be university inventors would be in complete accord with your claim, but they are not. The success stories where new medicines come from universities, and they are very rare, are facilitated by industry. It is expensive to develop a new medicine. Ignoring the cost of basic research, it often costs hundreds of millions of dollars to run the required advanced clinical trials. Keep in mind, though, that only about 10% of the potential medicines entering such clinical evaluation make it to your local pharmacy. So the cumulative cost of running advanced clinical trials (ignoring everything else, remember) is billions. At current costs of medicines, most drugs do not ‘break even’ until after 5 or so years on the market. Big Pharma is not perfect, but on this point the reality of the situation is somewhat different from what you presented.
Has anyone ever noticed that no drugs out there “cure” anyone? Like… there aren’t any “cures”. All the pharmaceuticals they’ve developed just treat people, and they just treat the side effects. Then a new pill comes out that treats another pills side effects. I’m sorry, but I’m not impressed with the prescription drug field. It is one big money-making scheme. More people need to do research on eating a whole food plant based diet. Read up on Dr Max Gerson and his cure for cancer and other disorders. <It is ILLEGAL for a doctor to tell you about his method in the US. Why? Because they can't make any prescription money on it. You tell someone they can heal themself and live longer by eating organic vegetables and juicing, and they look at you like you're crazy. Yet, they scarf down their mcdonalds and their candybars and high fructose corn syrup and wonder why they and their children have diabetes. Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe we're not supposed to be eating this way? Or maybe this overprocessed GMO food makes us sick- which in turn forces us to buy more expensive pharmaceuticals?
Savannah – You are so on the right track. Of course, living in America, anything other than a prescription or an operation to fix everything is blasphemy. And any thing other than allopathy is voodoo medicine. It’s strange how the rest of the world knows about good medicine that actually heals people and the ‘greatest country on earth’ only gets to buy cold medicine for our symptoms. Change is very slow when someone is making huge profits from things staying just the way they are! But I keep hoping.
Before the change-over to the new site I had bookmarked a link to a “Consensus meeting template”:
The page doesn’t exist on the new site. FYI.
My name is Eric Lee and I am a recent NYU graduate. Like many folks in my age, I wasn’t able to land a full-time job. Frustrated with the economy and the indecision of our leaders, I decided to strike out on my own and create a social media platform that will educate the youth, encourage them to speak up, and demand changes so that people at Washington stop screwing up our future.
The name of our website is Weforpresident and is still being made. In the meantime, we have our coming soon page Weforpresident.com, and twitter.com/weforpresident up already (We will have our facebook.com/weforpresident up shortly)
I’m writing to you because I like to donate a podium, where protesters at Liberty Park can make speeches and rally up their causes.We like to document these speeches and interview protesters spread them online so that more young people in my age join the movement.
We are planning a trip to Liberty Park this weekend and the following week. I just wanted to give you guys a heads up before we go there. Also, can anyone direct me to the person I should speak to when we are there?
Learn and teach how Wall St steals,,,
I think i layout Naked short selling Fraud nice and easy,, Clips a must watch again its CRIME without a GUN so you need to understand it. any questions please fire away
THE GREATEST CRIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY: THE COUNTERFEITING OF THE STOCK MARKET OR NAKED SHORTING FRAUD, THE CRIME THAT GOES UNPUNISHED
I would like to help explain this crime vs. all Americans by the banks and hedge funds in the easiest way, so please take the time and watch
this short clip on how it works. Educate yourself on how your money was looted, with crooks fully protected by the people who were supposed to be regulating them. Imagine an armed robbery conducted in connivance with the police, and you will get the idea.
Please watch this 3 part series as it will walk you thru this CRIME that has destroyed our COUNTRY
Now that you have some idea to how this Crime is carried out you can see that EVERYONE knows about it but still not one person has gone to jail. Someone needs to put a FACE on these criminals If its not a Hedge Fund then who is doing it? Naked Short sellers called terrorists on CNBC,, Could it be?
Many companies have been destroyed, JOBS LOST BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS. Everyone in DC knows this is going on and YET have done nothing to PROTECT the people…instead we just get more blah blah blah. This has been going on since 2001, as far as I go back in this fight,, Hundreds of investors have stood up and fought to protect this country. We all knew we had to do something. The greatest thing to happen was the INTERNET. It helped us connect and to contact with each other at light speed. So now it’s the MASSES who need to finish this fight. It is you who need to protect yourself and your family. Stand up and save this country from these THUGS.
Please continue to go thru some of the basic information on this subject. You will see that the head of the SEC said that this was a serious crime that crippled many small and medium-sized companies. He promised to protect us from this fraud in 2008. Soon after, the SEC said that the fraud was contributing to the collapse of the financial system. Words aside, though, it did NOTHING to stop it. Three years later, in 2011, NOT ONE person has been prosecuted, and the destructive fraud continues as usual.
Video of Chairman Christopher Cox from the SEC Open
Meeting on March 4, 2008
This story below is From the Economist Magazine Dated Jun 2nd 2011.
It tells the story on HOW HUGE this CRIME IS TODAY
America’s dodgy financial plumbing
Too big a fail count
The sheer number of unsettled trades is rattling regulators
Jun 2nd 2011 | NEW YORK | from the print edition
CLEARING and settlement are supposed to ensure that share, bond and derivative deals are completed safely and on time. These back-office processes are arcane, unglamorous and too often taken for granted—until things go wrong, when their importance becomes painfully apparent. The financial crisis of 2007-09 and the “flash crash” of American stock markets in May 2010 revealed numerous faults in the plumbing. Efforts are under way to mend these, but regulators have been slow to attend to some worrying new blockages arising from today’s high-frequency and tightly coupled markets.
A report on economic warfare that it commissioned in 2009 gave warning that settlement flaws could be used by terrorists to destabilise financial systems.
A Very nice story in Rolling Stone magazine. Yes, that’s right Rolling Stone.
The Wall Street Journal just can’t seem to speak about it.
Wall Street’s Naked Swindle
A scheme to flood the market with counterfeit stocks helped kill Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers — and the feds have yet to bust the culprits http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wall-streets-naked-swindle-20100405
Watch Matt Taibbi, who wrote the story, explain the fraud:
I know this is a lot to cover for the average person, but THIS is the
crime that has destroyed everything you have worked for, and the
CROOKS continue to do it and the people in DC do nothing.
Its time to end it once and for all
The Real ending of this fraud and the BEST way to punish these thugs is for the DOJ to follow the SELL tickets right to OUR MONEY. The Paper Trail is plain and simple. When they sold these FAKE shares they had to write a sell ticket and the MONEY had to go somewhere.. FOLLOW THE SELL TICKETS to the MONEY , Force them to BUY BACK all the FAKE SHARES they sold us as the market crashed. Watch the price of all the companies that have Counterfeit shares rise and go thru the roof as they try and by them back. Please read about how short sellers lost BILLIONS when it went against them in
the price of Volkswagen. That is their greatest FEAR Enforce the laws and our stock market as a whole will skyrocket, wiping out the criminals who have deliberately impoverished America. And then let’s not forget to THROW THEIR ASS IN JAIL FOR LIFE
As you see below EVERYONE knows about it,,, I can go on forever
with more evidence. Dick Grasso former head of NYSE at 8 min
and 30 sec end naked shorting
- Roel Campos, former commissioner at the U.S. Securities &
Exchange Commission on Naked Short selling. At 1:15 he makes the
point, naked short selling is the real problem. How long does it take them to
know the problem before they do anything about it??!!!
EVEN GOLDMAN SACHS ON Thursday Jun 10, 2010
TORONTO (Reuters) – Goldman Sachs Group Inc President Gary Cohn said on Thursday industry agrees that naked short selling should be banned.
“I don’t think anyone in the industry has any problems with banning naked short (sales),” said Cohn, who is addressing a securities regulation conference here.
“The concept of naked short sale is not a great concept. In fact, from a regulatory standpoint the more regulatory certainty we get on naked short sales the easier it is for us to force these down on our clients.”
On a side note the headquarters of the Settlement system (DTCC 55 Water ST) is just blocks away from the Occupy Wall St protest and Likes their name kept out of the picture at all cost.. Read what they had to say in 2005 and where we are today In English they said Public companies are all crying because our stocks went down,, Iam sure some companies were bad,, But the Data shows FRAUD and a lot of it and the DTCC helped cover it up. They should be held responsible and let the investing public know YEARS ago about the FAILS in the system and how BIG IT IS. Instead of hiding the truth.
AN INTERVIEW WITH Mr THOMPSON DTCC
@dtcc: If the volume in the Stock Borrow program is so small, why are these companies suggesting it is a major issue?
Thompson: Frankly, we believe that the allegations are attempting to purposely mislead those who are not familiar with this program. A number of small OTCBB and so-called “pink sheet” companies have contended that this practice is driving down the price of their shares and driving them out of business.
According to their own 10K and 10Q reports financial auditor’s disclosure statements, many of these firms have admitted that “factors raise substantial doubt about the company’s ability to continue as a going concern.” They have had little or no revenue, according to their financial reports, and substantial losses, for periods of seven or eight years. One of these companies has been cited for failing to file financial statements since 2001. Another has been cited by the SEC for press releases that misled investors on expanding business contracts that didn’t exist. They will do anything they can do that takes people’s attention off that kind of record, especially if they can convince a law firm to take the case on a contingency basis, which is what has happened.
Now that you know this is a MESS and still goes on This JUST was released on 10/26/2011 Funny the Head of SEC said dont worry we are on it,,
UBS fined for CRIMES a real joke,, paid $12M how much did they steal? how much damage? and the Finally question WHO DID THEY DO IT FOR? Must be some BIG Client to take a hit for that, HOWBOUT SOME JAIL TIME for someone
But here is one of the many outcomes of Naked Short selling,, In REAL TIME like Yesterday
General Dynamics to buy Force Protection
Mon Nov 7, 2011 1:57pm EST
FRPT.O) for $360
Now the fun Part,,, in 2008 stock was $30, then someone started Naked short selling stock all the way down to below $3, All Fraud by the way..
Now in 2011 this company was the target of a takeover by (GD) for $5.60 cents a share.. A far cry from the mid $20′s on a company that PROTECTS our troops. The only question is who NAKED SHORTED this stock
could it have ties to (GD) so they would have to pay a lower price? Or was it a group of OFFSHORE HEDGE FUNDS trying to stop this company from building more trucks so more of our troops get killed?
I get it by the lack of response i get from all Media, and Its a disgrace that this goes on and still does, Hey My kids are alive, go tell the parents of a soldier they were killed because this company could not build a truck to protect them because their stock went down and could not raise money. Oh well I feel better I DID my part.
Think about the cost to buy this company if the stock was $20 it would be at least a $1.4 BILLION DEAL,, not $360 Million,, Iam sure long term shareholders and insiders are thrilled they worked for zero
IF THE 99% ONLY KNEW,
I can show you more,, but 1st learn this one . How about a list of quick questions
1) Who can Naked Short? Can anyone do it? And since it is illegal who is doing it? Maybe Aliens
2) If it is illegal why hasn’t anyone gone to JAIL
3) Wall St has the most powerful Banks and Brokers in the World and yet we cant settle a trade on time? WHY? My guess they don’t want to
4) Why does a public company have to be at the mercy of the Stock settlement system? Does the DTC(name of stock settlement system) help a public company in anyway? (NO) They are there to settle trades and get a fee for it. Yet when they don’t settle trades on time they still get paid and the stock of these companies get destroyed for NO reason at all. Stock settlement is T+3 for all US investors who has the free pass?
5) My favorite question is for the Brokerage firms, When we do a trade we pay a commission for the trade. Part of that commission is make sure the trade is settled. If the trade is not settled does the Brokerage firm count that commission as earned? The never really earned it yet. So my take on it is that all the Financials of these Firms are wrong and should be adjusted to remove that income they did not earn. Remember everyone gets paid a Bonus at these firms they never really earned since the numbers are WRONG. What accounting firm do they use and who there signs off on that?
6) My Final question is does anyone have any idea who owns the DTC? Take a look and see. A quick Hint,,, Not the Govt BUT all the WALL ST PLAYERS own it.. Wonder why its in their favor.
SO IN CONCLUSION EVERYONE KNOWS, BUT NOTHING GETS DONE. MR PRESIDENT STOP THE FRAUD AND PROTECT THE PEOPLE NOW. SETTLE THE TRADES
The 99% want JUSTICE NOW
I registered twice following all of the instructions. I am still unable to log in.
There must be a bug.
Hi NYC General Assembly. Have been in contact with a few local representatives of OWS in Binghamton, NY. Trying to get in touch with someone in charge of financing and/or donations. Our firm is among the 99% that want to see real change in this country, particularly with concern to providing honest products/services and offering real opportunities to hard-working Americans. Our small business would like to work together with OWS/General-Assembly on fundraising. Please let us know who we can contact directly about this! The group in Binghamton wasn’t sure who the contact person would be. Thanks! Hopefully we can help do our part in this fight!
If anyone expects to change anything, a necessity is the public funding of political campaigns. Without the elimination of corporate, union, and PAC contributions, we will never have a true democracy.
Somehow I suspect that two parties in particular will get most of the public’s money.
Peace Action Manhattan needs speakers to present occupation to assembly forum on 88th & Columbus on November 14 at 7:30. Does OWS have speakers for such presentations? send me a message here or @Public_Takeover
Hey there! Was wondering when the Part Time Caucus Working Group Would be added? We’ve begun to meet & would like to start making the most of the platform! Much Mahalo!
This is not to disagree with the POC only decision. It is just a caution to apply that policy gently. I was at a meeting of a Latino student group when a blonde haired, blue-eyed “white boy” came walking in. As I was in a strong nationalist phase at that point, I immediately and loudly interrupted the meeting to demand that the “white boy” leave. To my chagrin, he turned out to be a Puerto Rican brother, as Hispanic as I was, whatever the apparent color of his skin.
Hi. I am member of the Demands group and want to list the date time and place of our next meeting. I spoke with somone from media, I believe it was, tonight and he said that margurite from media is currently an admin. Could you pl,ease make me an admin and I will make others from the group an admin as well. – C. WOODS. if you have questions, my email is email@example.com
Among those who can’t register from a yahoo account. Please address this issue! Thank you
Where is the financial (transparency) web page?
I just went through the logon process and now cannot login. When I try to login the system says invalid username or password. Then when I selected lost password the system returned an error that no one with that email address is registered. I know I am typing in all of the correct information.
Also, why no capital letters in the user name? That is silly. Can you please help me with this? My username is truth247 and my email is firstname.lastname@example.org I just registered at around 7:05am on Friday Oct. 21.
Did I miss it or is CLIMATE CHANGE missing from the points?
I would think something like:”They have continued to pursue profit through practices that increase climate change while aware of irrefutable evidence of the consequences of their actions on the environment.”
there are some points that touch on this (this is my passion as it sounds like may be yours):
■They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
■They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit
it’s a start, I suppose. this movement is subject to change and addition and growth and I pray to God it is kept alive and well and produces results! we are the 99%, we stand together, we can fight corporate influence and corporate take over of our government. we have to find leaders at a local level who will join on a political level and begin changing the polical scenery with people who will take a stand for the democracy of the 99%, for the earth and the wildlife, too.
And don’t forget Nuclear. They are reinventing their Nuclear rhetoric, stating that Nukes do not contribute to global warming. They are also stating that Nukes are an alternative energy. Nukes are the most dangerous long term detriment to the global environment, that a few multi-national corporations have spread throughout our world. Another statement should read ”They have continued to pursue profit through practices that increase Nuclear proliferation in all it’s deadly manifestations, worldwide.”
You’re right Rick. Nuclear is very, very bad option. Just ask the Japanese.
Great document; brilliant, simple, covers almost everything. Well done statement of applying democratic and egalitarian ideals. I would only add something about how #OWS is not about a physical space, per se, but a new way of empowering people (and engaging them) as part of the 99% ethos.
Obviously visibility is key, but how to tap into resources that can’t be there in “meatspace”? The potential well of support will be bottomless if the movement is not only associated with a physical place, per se, but also a comprehensive, complementary digital social action/collective as well (Occupy the Cloud?). This huge virtual core of people and resources is available and can provide support from our more “mainstream lives” to offer financial assistance, basic physical need support, and can be integrated into the model the GA process). So, ultimately, the “boots on the ground” can be supported and work with the many more “butts in the office chairs.”
Keep up the heroic struggle. If you aren’t legion now, but soon you will be.
(I still think that “Sell shit you don’t need and give the proceeds to #OWS!” would be a great initiative to raise funds. But I’ll bring that up in the proper group! Cheers,)
My parents go to a conference every year for a mutual fund company (Baron Funds) that they invest with. This guy that founded this firm, Ron Baron, is a billionaire who bought a $100 million property in the Hamptons a few years ago. He has this conference every year at Lincoln Center and my mom tells me that every year the entertainment gets more elaborate. One years he will have Seinfeld perform and the next he will have Elton John. And that is just the headliners,,,,there are lesser known perfromers (who are still well known names) that perform at lunch! She think that he spends $5 million on this conference. This year it is on 11/4 at Lincoln Center and CNBC always broadcasts live from there…..seems like a good place to protest to me.
When is it?
I just found this story about how he tried to close a gay beach near his house in the Hamptons… Great guy
Go out and try to punish the person that lavishes a great experience on those who were wise enough to invest their money in his company? Makes no sense. Why do you begrudge those who are successful and want to enjoy their success with others? Who are you to decide how anyone else spends their money? What if you wanted to throw a big party for your friends, and protestors came and said it wasn’t fair that you got to have such a great party when they don’t have any food. How does shutting down the party help a homeless and hungry person? It doesn’t!
What money should they invest? The money they have to work two minimum wage jobs to pour into their family? Surely there’s plenty left at the end of the month to drop the rest into their 401k and investment portfolio. You elitists are so clueless. You probably had a job that paid well before the crash, right?
You probably didn’t see your wages cut, I’m guessing. Any of your benefits decreased? That’s where it starts. They trim a little off the top with paid vacation becoming just vacation, no pay. Sick days start shrinking, then they are just unpaid days off. Stock options and investments back into the company stay around, since that helps increase the company’s worth.
We used to have one income homes. Don’t you find it odd that there are so many two income homes, yet 47% of the population doesn’t make enough to be taxed? What money are they supposed to “invest”? How is it begrudging those who are extremely “well off”, by wanting a chance to be “well off” yourself? People just want to be able to pay their bills without working themselves to death, is that too much to ask?
Not sure how you are unable to see the gap between 300% pay increase over 40 years to 40% increase as wrong or unfair. Perhaps you should pull your head out of the sand and look around you. This isn’t happening on your tv, or monitor. Open your door, it’s happening out there. Look for yourself.
Good explanation, Trey. I keep wondering why people are so quick to lay off their ‘team members’ instead of cutting back on executive pay. The boom/bust cycle of our current economic system cannot go on. There has to be a way to spread the wealth so that everyone can make a living.
Hi. I want to order for you some camping tea kettles because you said a while ago that you need some. where to send them to and to whom? Fulton street? any name required? I have found a store nearby so it should be quick. I can’t bring them to you by myself, I’m in Paris right now
I tried registering too but did not receive the confirmation email.
Please help! The schedule is such a RESOURCE FOR CHANGE!
If they are going to close down the protest you might as well make plans now to go underground. You are dealing with a corrupt lawyer run government and the protest should be moved to Washington, D.C. where the real enemy is–a lawyer run and lawyer dominated government bankrupting the nation not only with corp. bailouts but military engagements around the world with no end to sight to the excessive military spending only making more enemies for the United States. Lets hold AmeriKas’ lawyer leaders accountable for defeated foreign policies in Vietnam and murder of over 58,000 American boys? Wouldn’t that be a great place to start. Notice how U.S. rushed in to support revolution in Libya but has ignored murders of civilian protesters in Syria? This is typical of the double standards of the lawyer run and lawyer dominated U.S. government!!!
Please please, can someone here make one of the actual members of the demands group an administrator so we can list our meeting place and time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Iw as in teh park last night and was to to send an email here, but I don;t know where else to send this. Admins can be myself. eric lerner, or cecily… or all of he above.
you can contact be @ email@example.com
can’t be there with you on Wall Street in body, but man, oh, man, am i there in spirit
I don’t see why working groups can’t all be represented. Why must they be subordinated to a cluster which does not have the same purposes or experiences?
The Home Depot (Manhattan West 23Rd St, store #6175) has 300 of the following container:
20-Gallon Key Lime Green Storage Tote
Store SKU 333342
Cost is $5.88 each.
See it on the web: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053&productId=202816539&R=202816539
If you want more than 300, they have additional containers in other colors.
Created an account but never received a confirmation e-mail. Please advise.
I commend you on your efforts to be good neighbors. Are the media telling the truth about the drumming and sanitary conditions? Or is OWS having difficulties self-policing activities that may derail its Good Neighbor Policy?
What do you think of starting a catch all document for our ideas? Seems like so much is floating around, might be a good idea to have a central location to store the basics. Maybe this can be somehow converted such that we can start to vote on them, and feel out what really has consensus, at least internally.
As a resident of Liberty Square and a fan of effective actions by our occupation, I have to register my concerns with “zero tolerance” policies of any kind, especially when there is no clarity about what that means. I do not consent to the above policy.
We can all contribute by letting our so called leaders know the party is over. the gig is up. In a polite and professional way. pressure baby, pressure. Stay informed, do not support a broken imperialist system. The more you find out what is going on the madder you will be.
This is the Redmine Project Management Website: http://projects.occupytechnology.org/
I’m behind this movement 100%. 2 things: 1. Always Denounce violence. Don’t ever accept a violent method. The violence in Rome is counterproductive. 2. Don’t try to destroy Obama. He’s not as Progressive as we would like. Hell if anyone is. But if he is destroyed and we wind up with one of those damned Republicans, we are all screwed. This Country will not survive it.
You took the words right out of my mouth, Douglas. Thank you for the post.
I am very disturbed by this comment.I thought the idea of this movement was that neither party (actually it is only one party) is acceptable. – that our form of government as it operates must go and be replaced by a real democracy. Was planning to come to NYC this weekend but if this is the attitude I find there I will have to rethink my support. A crime is a crime no matter who commits it or whether there is an “R” or a “D” next to your name. Obama should be in jail for mass murder, torture, rendition, assassination…just to name a few. He is no different than his predecessors, maybe worse because he pretends to be something else. He is a neocon not a progressive and anyone who supports him is devoid of principles and humanity. And I saw moveon mentioned above…they are just trying to co-opt the movement as some other pretend “liberal” groups are – they are total Democratic insiders – making people think they are raising funds for the Occupy Movement while using them to fund Obama’s campaign. During the Bush years it became obvious that moveon was not a liberal group when they outright refused to help in the impeache Bush movement. Pay attention to people like Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, Col. Ann Wright. Things are so bad that little tweaks aren’t going to fix things…we need massive change and that is not going to come by propping up the corrupt bastards that got us into this mess.
Hi, I see that someone took my minutes from Wednesday and put them in this format, which is cool. I do think all the minutes should all be uniform. I am a little bit confused about how exactly to follow this format, though. I wonder if the people taking GA minutes could meet up and have a discussion about how we’re all supposed to be doing it?
Hi there – I tried to go to the shower donation form, but the link was broken. Do you still need them? I am in Midtown for work next week and would love to offer up my hotel room’s shower
I’m sure your hotel will love you giving away their amenities for free, and having a parade of smelly people traipsing through the lobby. How would you like it if you ran a hotel, and your guests invited the public to come in and use the facilities? I don’t think you’d appreciate that at all.
Wow, I’m very impressed with the minutes of the GA in the form they’re being transcribed now. This is a light years improvement from the primitive minutes of a couple of weeks ago with were rough notes with lots of typos and misspellings. I especially like the sequential agenda item/discussion numbering and the indication of whether the speaker is a facilitator or audience member. Good job!
I just saw the 99% Declaration and the call for a National General Assembly next year.
What I’m concerned about is that it may be getting too late. It may already be too late. Although I know organizing may take some time, waiting until July of next year, tnen waiting until possibly 2014 to field independent candidates may just come after too much damage has been done. ]
Not that I have all the answers, but I humbly think the time frame needs moving up.
God Bless and keep up the good work.
we do not need a leader. we are a leaderless movement. what we need to do is grow our numbers to the point that we can demand our leaders to do what they are supposed to be doing.
But what are they supposed to be doing? I know. Not robbing us. But I have been researching this for a hour and still haven’t found any demands from ows?
Could you put me in touch (email is fine or phone) with someone who could personally be responsible to pick up a package at the UPS location from Primal Foods? I wrote to them to ask for a donation of some of their vegan “meatless” jerky strips to pass out to the pubic (or “occupiers” as it were.) They called me back and said they would be happy to send a donation of some of their product but would like to know if there is a vegan or vegetarian person who would like to be responsible to pass them out.. because such person would likely have product knowledge and be able to answer questions about the product or the meatless diet in general.
I wrote to Primal Foods after reading that part of OWS’ manifesto is to shed light on the deceptive food supply system that enslaves animals and keeps the public in the dark about the environmental and health degradation inherent in meat agribusiness (the consumption of who’s products is also the primary cause of most epidemic disease in our country, causing the healthcare and exacerbating the housing crisis by medical/financial crippling) . I was happy to receive a personal call from the company saying that they would be glad to support the occupation if I could supply a contact for them.
Thanks for forwarding this to an interested vegan or vegetarian! I can be contacted at my name above, no spaces (at) gmail (will not type for spam fishers.) .com
Also a HUGE Thanks to everyone involved with OWS for your sacrifice of time, comfort, safety, etc in efforts to liberate the rest of us, the environment and therefore the entire planet and all living beings on it from the long held oppression of corporate greed and deception.
I’ve ordered my “We are the 99%” lawn sign from http://www.actblue.com. It should arrive one of these days, and it will be the first one in the neighborhood.
I ordered my first lawn sign—-”I’m not part of the 1%, but I’m busting my ass to get there.”
We Are The 99%:
1. Recognize that we do not live in a full-fledged democracy, not in an ideal sense, but an achievable form of government truly accountable to the people. We are no more idealistic than our founding fathers, nor more so than our contemporary Tunisian, Egyptian, Libyan, Bahraini, Syrian, Arab, Iranian, and European dissenters. Far from any conceivable notion of a free market, we must recognize that the current political and economic establishments actively supports and maintains monopolies, rampant inequality, fraud, and corruption. Such conditions abolish economic justice, equal and fair opportunity, and prosperity for all.
2. Aspire to genuine democracy as the best solution: Our goals are rooted in American values. We are neither communists nor fascists. We believe that democracy holds the solution. Inspired by the Arab spring, the Iranian Green Movement, and other non-violent protests around the world advocating democracy to alleviate their problems, we the 99% reaffirm our commitment towards democracy as the best means to address our dire circumstances. Genuine democracy with economic justice can best foster prosperity for all.
3. Safeguard our liberties from corporations, lobby groups, and government through enforceable regulations: Corporations and lobby groups have hijacked our democracy, manipulated our government, and distorted legislation to greedily seize tax payer money, abuse our liberties, and destroy the social fabric and environment of our country. We the people must determine our future; Repeal Corporate Personhood! Get money and lobbies out of American politics!
Money and corporations run our politics, not the people. Our votes don’t count! Politicians serve the 1% and ignore the well being of the 99% to the detriment of all Americans. We should refuse claims that support the wealthy at the expense of a poorer, less fortunate, less educated, jobless, and unhealthy American society. Occupy Wall Street advocates the aspirations of all Americans who seek a flourishing, clean, safe, and truly democratic America with an active, motivated, educated, healthy, and prosperous citizenry.
When corporations and lobbies shamefully and systematically exploit our freedoms and profoundly influence our politics, through corruption and deception they distort our democracy, control our government, and abuse our liberties. Corporations are not people! In this plutocracy, where money and wealth determine politics, corporations and lobbies exert disproportionate influence, thus, making an American citizen’s vote worthless.
Fellow Americans, we must rid ourselves of illusion; we must deepen and expand democracy in our great country, the United States of America! Understanding and exposing our current undemocratic political and economic system guides our agenda towards greater democracy and away from the pitfalls of failed ideologies. Whatever issues we face (job creation, healthcare, education, welfare, security, the environment, etc.), we, the American people, must determine our future; Not corporations or lobbies! In some countries, unelected ruling elites rob their citizens of equal participation; in America the financial and economic system reprehensibly perpetrate this role.
We the 99% are nothing short of a peaceful revolution! Transforming the cruel and greedy power structure subverting American politics to corporal and lobby interest. 2007 exposed the dangers and failures of this corporal and lobbyist system, which should not be dismissed as a one-time mistake. Yet, nothing changed! So it falls on us, the American people, to seize the moment and shape a better future for all Americans, for our country and the world. Through genuine democracy and economic justice, safeguarded by enforceable policies and regulations, we can more powerfully than ever rise up to meet the challenges of our time.
Sorry but #3 you need lobby groups for common access to government, this give such things as NGO’s and community action committees and non profits access to governance.
Doug each and every member of any group or corp already have access by virtue of them being a citizen. The group doesn’t need special access can’t you see what that’s led to?
Democracy is the goal and the means. It was the ideal of our nation at its founding. It has fallen short. But we do not want the American experiment to fail. We will do what we must as those who love liberty – as idealists – as pragmatists – as citizens – as humble, proud human beings – to ensure that America as a nation, as an ideal survives – and all in it live in dignity.
We need to re-imagine ourselves as the Founders, as we are, of a new democracy. We are the new Founders – knowing what the first Founders did not imagine – economic power as the Leviathan to be guarded against. We must imagine a republic – a representative democracy – as it must be. One person – one VOICE.
We must remember that corporations are human inventions – that can be redesigned. They can be brought into a democracy – if we all work together – in deciding how to do that. Those within the upper reaches of corporations have become an aristocracy – with no connection to the world the rest of us live in. They are unelected and yet they exert power even beyond that of government. This cannot be allowed in a democracy.
We must set as our goal that we design a new democracy – by means of democracy. It is a goal NOT a demand. A demand means we want someone to give us something – that is not the case – we will do it ourselves – among ourselves – until we achieve it.
Explain that to the media – in simple terms: We don’t have a demand – we have a goal – Democracy and we will achieve it!
looks like you can post it as this one was posted
let me know if you want me to get any more info for you – thanks for doing an arabic one!!!!!!! very important
oh dear, that was done from the phone many typos. Sorry to be so adamant, but with the exclamation points. I just can’t figure out how to post events.
Bully for the protesters!
Here’s an idea—-distribute bumper stickers that read: “WE ARE THE 99%!” Perhaps some good samaritan will anti up the cost of printing and distributing them. Politicians all travel by car and won’t miss seeing them time and time again.
The idea of pitching a tent in the yard is good if you have a tent or yard and can afford a tent.
I just ordered bumper stickers: “Not part of the 1%, but I’m busting my ass to get there.”
And I didn’t ask someone to give them to me for free. I made them myself, and now get to sell them! What a fantastic country we live in! Now, go get a job
My wife and I made a donation online. My wife also wants to order pizza for them. But the person in Papa John’S Pizza was not sure where to deliver ….. anywhere or just give it to anyone on the street?? Do they deliver for real???
look for “order us food” under this link http://www.nycga.net/how-to-help/
they deliver to the protesters every day
Tried thirty or so times to register. There is obviously a problem
Here is poem I wrote after watching live stream OWS on 9/19 Please share with all the groups as I have never been able to post this
Rift or Shift
Fire burn and cauldron bubble
Hey!…Wall St. you’re in trouble
With the truth we’ll resonate
And smash your flimsy paltry gates
The meditation of our hearts
Will rip your lies from part to part
We all did this long ago
At the walls of Jericho
We will circle all around
And blow our horns till you fall down
It is we who are this land
And you will meet the earth’s demand
We will know and understand
Realization of this command
A world of haves and have nots
A world of slaves and robots
Where our souls are sold and bought
Is a world that happens…not
We intend to burn your ears
And pierce your soul until you hear
No more psycho warring tyrants
And their bankster lying pirates
No more making dollar bills
From the numbers that you kill
You grey suits that slither by
Don’t you think you catch our eye
You look askance at ground or sky
Your furrowed brows betray your lies
Don’t you know the truth slips in
Illuminates your hidden sins
And your crimes against the people
From sanctimonious perverted steeples
We’ll track you down to where you live
And pound our drums till you give in
And in day… or by stealth
We’ll place – roadblocks – to your wealth
We shall never let it be
That you steal and you walk free
We will change your attitude
Or chomp you up like you were food
We would rather mend the rift
And have you join us in the shift
All the money that you make
You will not accumulate
The only law is circulate
Stars and planets all rotate
Oceans rain and rivers mate
The dance of life oscillates
One for all and all for one
The only way that Heaven’s won
HOW YOU ARE IS MORE IMPORTANT
THAN ALL THE GOLD THAT YOU’VE EXTORTED
My main suggestion about the drummers. When you have a specific project or goal it can be a great opportunity to raise money. It may not be necessary to get the full amount from the general fund. If you call on the public to support a specific project you will probably get a great response. I coordinate a volunteer group in Buffalo and we look at every project as a new opportunity to get financial support, the general fund can be used to fill in the gaps.
I also understand that you guys have been raising money, and I know you feel like the community is not willing to help with your funding. But the biggest stumbling block is that they don’t understand what could cost so much money. It would be better to research actual prices and bring that to the group. Try to find a good price, these instruments will be living outside. I don’t know what to say about the restricted hours. I have a feeling that the community will support you in the end.
Corporations, banks, multi-nationals, money lenders are terrified that you’ll stop buying their crap. So, stop buying their crap! Whether stuff or PR-speak, just because you’re fed it doesn’t mean you have to swallow it. yes, you CAN think for yourself.
No one here wants to buy anything. They want it all given to them for free. Corporations aren’t worried about these freeloaders.
That’s where you’re wrong again, Brian. There are millions of people who are not at OWS who agree with the protest and will buy or not, accordingly. Freeloaders? You must be referring to the billionaires, millionaires and corporations that pay no taxes, right?
sent you an email. just doubling it here. How can i get more involved in an exchange of ideas with people who get it about anarchist philosophy and the role it’s played in all this?
Sorry for the spam but this is important
Hi, I’m Matt from Open Source, Internet, Global Revolution-Livestream, I’m one of the technical people here and I really need you to ignore the length of this letter and still read it and even click on the link to the product I am discussing here.
In Open-Source we have readily available tools that can be factored into the problem of our growing GA, to facilitate further brainstorming about the SC model solution.
These tools are a system of quick-voting and polling tools both physical (paper) and electronic. We envision the solution to direct democracy is providing tools that will give every attending participant a voice on important issues.
A number of ideas have been tossed around including
a) handing a printed ticket with unique serial code to each attendant to identify their unique votes for the session so that the system can not be manipulated by people not in attendance. That ticket could be turned in physically for voting or for a time period could be redeemed electronically via one of the below electronic mediums
b) a phone system that users can dial into to vote using touch-tone and voice response
c) a smartphone / iphone / android application for quick voting
d) a web-site for voting e) text messaging for voting
f) professional audience response polling electronic equipment for focus groups. My personal assessment for our needs is the last as it is the most efficient and most “disposable” system we can achieve (it isn’t reasonable to give everyone cell-phones or androids).
e) all of the above
Before you call me crazy for the next proposal please consider that what we seek to create here is a model that will inspire the world, and continue to give us media publicity and traction. Adapting Spanish ideas are wonderful, but lets consider the advantages technology offers us and open our minds to the possibilities of this direct-democracy we dream of. We have received nearly 300k in donations and can purchase the following system for nearly $5,000 – $10,000.00. (which sill support 1,000 people). We can also rent the system on a trial basis for $500-$2500 a day depending on the number of participants.
Here is a link to a manufacturer of one such product (least expensive legacy product): http://www.replysystems.com/reply-products/replymini-worldwide.shtml http://www.replysystems.com/how-reply-devices-work.shtml
We give each participant in the GA a handheld wireless remote control to vote. All answers and instantly recorded and presented on a projection screen for all to see.
Yes, theft will be an issue that we can come up with another solution for (perhaps user registration). However, they aren’t that expensive to replace as we are using outdated technology which is readily available at under $7 per remote voting device.
My summary of the proposal-as-is:
1) consider introducing this as a trial-charter, ensure it can be dissolved by the GA
2) make a list of the issues/transactions that must go to the GA for approval
3) ensure that important GA decisions are made by the dedicated people of our movement by not scheduling big decisions for days that Unions are joining us or we are anticipating a extra-large attendance
4) however at the same time we must clearly announce all upcoming discussions and decisions /votes as soon as possible on the web-site, and establish a minimum notification time for a issue to come to vote for a defined list of issues/transactions
5) limit the scope of what the spokes council can do without the GA’s consent and revisit this conservative list at a later date.
6) Ensure that the SC is elastic in nature of its relationship to the GA, has an active role in determining what transactions/issues are necessary to be brought to the GA.
7) Consider that if a unanimous consensus is not reached in the SC then the issue/transaction will be brought to the GA.
All of these techno solutions worry me for the same reason that electronic voting in US elections worry me. It is to easy to hack into these things and fix the results.
These are intriguing ideas and wonderful reforms of the GA.
I’m thinking that that wireless voting system could be modeled
off of a dotmacracy system in which people are able to mark
a spectrum of concern rather than a reg vote.
We can institute a spokes council and reform the GA.
They are not mutually exclusive.
3. What role have the arts played in the development of the OWS movement and its message thus far? And in what ways can they contribute to sustaining this movement?
The Arts have constructed a platform for individual and communal expression igniting critical thinking of the social, legal, institutional and environmental challenges that plague society. The ARTS, especially performance based arts, can serve to strengthen the bond between voices, bodies, and minds through creative activities and training that focuses on collaboration.
The date in the body of the minutes is wrong. Should be 10/20 not 10/21.
yeah confused me too
The folks doing the minutes are doing a phenomenal job. I hope that at least audio is made of every ga, and ideally we’d all like to see them on livestream nightly. This is historic important stuff, and a lot gets lost (mood, nuance, tone), if we can’t at least hear the audio.
Please try to make sure that the NYC ga’s are always streamed? It’s incredibly frustrating to have people just chatting to the livestream in the evening when this incredible stuff is happening a stone’s throw away.
Further, the meeting chronicled here was more or less all on livestream. The next night (last night), however, it wasn’t. How can we follow how these things are worked out; the process… without it being livestreamed….
To Drum or not to Drum? WordPress or Drupal? How do we enable everyone to have a voice on our web site? All our groups are facing group dynamics issues. The Internet Working Group is starting a series of workshops that will range from very technical hands on to group process issues for how teams can work together. There is limited seating, Sunday, October 23rd, 9 pm for: Surviving Poisonous People in Decentralized Groups We are reserving a number of seats for the web administrators of other groups. And we need volunteers to help with the door and cleanup. We plan to stream it so everyone can participate, including online chat.
I like the idea, but just like the GA this seems like a misimplementation of established practice. Stop trying to use “modified consensus”- no one seems to understand that proper consensus already addresses the problems that the “modifications” try to patch over. The other problem is that Consensus (and especially Spokescouncils) is designed to bring together existing affinity groups and organizations using a delegate system, but OWS is a ‘mass’ movement in which every participant is an atomized individual. Still, it should be able to be made to work without having to resort to any kind of voting schemes. And the idea of working groups voting on each others’ proposals is just silly.
How does ‘proper consensus’ work? And how does it address the problems that modified consus paper over?
Consensus is a way of addressing the feelings of a particular group. Its a holistic and humanized way of seeing where people are in relationship to a decision being reached. It also allows people more autonomy than voting, because one can register concerns and stand asides on a particular proposal without blocking the proposal. In a voting system, as an individual, you can only say up or down. There’s no room to register concerns. I’d love to try full consensus. The GA decided to use modified consensus (in which we drop to 9/10 majority) early on, so we’ve continued to use it.
We do an art program that is called the Phun Phactory. Our mission is to assist graffiti writers in any and all aspects of the art form. We have been around since 1993 and we are very interested in becoming very involved in this OWS movement. Our board of directors has pledged full support in any way that we can. If you need art supplies, u got it.
We have many connections in the graffiti world and we will use any and all of those connections to assist OWS. We have also opened a site called OCCUPYTHEWALLS.ORG however we, rather I lack the expertise to make that happen digitally. Hence my age. With that said we are ready to jump in to this full force, however we do need that digital assistance for this to occur.
Thus far we have placed two OWS individuals on our Materials for the Arts membership roll however from what I can see they have never gone to pick up materials. With graffiti being a rebellious art form this falls right into the terms of our mission statement which is “to empower and advocate for graffiti writers(artists) everywhere or “a safe haven and advocacy services for the aerosol artist”. Our url is http://www.thephunphactory.org
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The avenue to change is slow in coming. What you are doing, however, is shaking the tree upon which far too many have resided to their exclusive benefit. The process of involving all ranks of society in addressing common needs, common interests and common problems ultimately depends upon whom they pick to represent themselves in the legal institutions (Congress, Legislatures, Courts, and local community organizations) created to address these same issues. The problem has been and still is, we have allowed political campaigns to be too long, too costly, and too much beholden to the source of money needed by candidates to attempt to interest the voting public in who they are, where they stand on the issues, and whether or not they are simply serving the interests of those who have given the most to wage their political effort to win an election!
Until we convince our lawmakers(both sides) to quit taking bribes from big money, the middle class will suffer.
You can see who and how much at maplight.org
There has never been a time when those in government won’t take a bribe. Reduce the power of the government is the only real option, make it a prize not worth buying.
I couldn’t make the 10/20/11 GA. Can you please post the spokescouncil proposal that was distributed — perhaps adding it to the minutes. It is extremely important. Thanks to the facilitators for this very difficult meeting.
A suggestion about your question and the use of “Can you please post?” For this and other communications, try finding the relevant group and send a public message to one of the group admins. Then everybody sees it, but one person will hopefully feel responsible about answering your question.
I wish I had been at the 10/20/11 GA — BLOCK!
We don’t need a council of Soviets and a new set of pseudo-representative politicians. We need patience, longer meetings, a friendly venue, and more experience. I have seen Quaker meetings (which operate by full and very formal consensus) take on everything from emergency budget proposals to gay marriage without resorting to a representative structure.
If a non-representative structure ever came to a vote at the GA I would block it.
Funny how the powers that be probably won’t allow such a vote to take place! The anarcho-conspirators have done a good job….
I don’t think that a Councilist reform has anything to do with a Soviet. Social movements have been using councils all over the world for every kind of mobilization. This is a reform proposal that places the emphasis on collective work and disables the power of individuals who may have never participated in single meeting to trash the work of activists who are more heavily involved by simply crossing their forearms.
It is important, however, to make sure that the Spokes Council is open to ideas that come from outside the Working Groups as sometimes the best ideas come from those who not being heavily involved can approach an issue (or a set of issues) with a fresh mind. In companies they call them consultants…
I understand your concern about people dropping by just to screw up the process, but it may be better to just make it easier to overcome a block. I think it used to be a 2/3 majority before it was changed to 9/10, which I always thought was too extreme. I think part of why this movement grew so big so fast is that it is very inviting to regular people. You can show up and get right into the governing body. If we are not careful, we could mess that up very quickly.
I think some people forget that just because you don’t recognize someone doesn’t mean that they are not intimately involved in the movement.
Also I think your right about outsiders having fresh ideas (although I just spent three hours having some idiot getting paid $250,hr to waste my time telling me how to do my job, so please don’t use the ‘c’ word.)
I agree with Etan. The spokescouncil is just a way of taking power away from the general assembly aqnd giving it to a self selected elite. The real solution would have been to do away with all the phoney democratic consensus models and get back to simple majority rule after full and fair diswcussion. The Quakers are certainly no group to look to for direction. In spite of there so called pacifism, they refused to call for immediate withdrawal from Vietnam. I remember a meeting addresswed by a Quaker. he was very arrogant and defended the johnson administration. And remember Nixon was a Quaker.. Consensus may work in a small group of like experienced people but mostly it is used as a manipulation tool by behind the scenes activists.. Spokescouncils is the wrong direction. let the GA actually rule.
“In matters of conscience the laws of majority has no place” – gandhi
Ya’ll seem to be becoming everything you oppose?
We are the 99% but animals aren’t counted for anything, anywhere, in any way. The current laws say that animals are no different than inanimate objects or things. They are legally, “property.” OCCUPY WALL STREET needs to OCCUPY the USDA which is on an unrelenting mission to destroy, torture and kill animals of every kind (farmed, wild, flying, swimming) on behalf of big-agriculture. Animals need to be re-categorized and deserve to be “persons” in legal terms. If a corporation can be a “person” (which the Supreme court has ruled is now the law, Corporations are “persons”) then animals should be “persons.” WE NEED TO INCLUDE THEIR VOICE IN OURS. see: Http://www.humanerevolution.org
I like how you are including animals but not foreigners. If you include the latter, you almost automatically become the 1% because of your access to the Internet. Down with 1 percenters like Johanna and her greed!
It does not matter who holds the positions of President, Senator, Congressman, etc., as long as they do what is right. Full Employment Full Pay and Full Benefits assured by the national treasury (ref: legitimate precedent Roosevelt 1941 – ending “The Great Depression”) is the first step to resortation of the natural viability of the society, its requisite universal economy, peace, goodwill and cooperation among the people, legitimate egalitarian universally representative democratic government and all human rights.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY3T5u81ytg
Is the middle class really “suffering”? Maybe anyone who thinks so should live in the shoes of the truly poor sometime. If you really want to bring down wall street, stop buying things. Stop being the mass consumer that this country has taught you to be. Be responsible. Don’t take loans from them and pay them interest. Choose to live a harder life for the sake of the future. Standing in the streets is not going to solve the problem. We feed Wall Street everyday when we eat out, buy new things we don’t need, go to concerts and buy sports paraphanalia (yes, part of the 1% are the entertainment sector/sports sector). If you don’t like it, don’t support big business with your money. Make hard choices. But don’t blame others. We all created Wall Street, everyday, with every decision we make to feed it. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and do something real about it.
Instead of bringing the poor up, the current system is pushing the middle class down, so that we can give more of the nation’s wealth to global banks and billionaires. Boycotting the worst corporations is important, but it will not stop the looting of the world. That will take 10s of millions “standing in the streets” and making a world where hard work pays more than using massive wealth to steal more wealth.