Tweets for Tue, 20 Mar 2012

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So, we’re at 60 Wall, where we’ve been scheduled to have General Assembly tonight. Interesting situation: everyone’s at #OccupyUnionSq. #OWS

We’re having a facilitated conversation. Lauren: “Union Sq needs a GA; if everyone’s there, we need to move it there. There are things…”

Cont’d: “…that need to be consensed on there.” “The animal of Union Sq is very different than Zuccotti.” Last night they had a roundtable…

Cont’d: They talked about what the Union Sq occupation would look like. “I think GA’s the platform” to have discussions about it. #NYCGA

Libor’s POI: in Brussels, they agreed to have “certain levels of assembly from neighborhood assemblies to people’s assemblies.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…I think the minutes are on http://t.co/LfKLmZPd . I want to make a proposal to declare Union Sq to be a people’s assembly..”

Cont’d: “…to sort of give it the option of having a GA,” they can figure it out. #NYCGA #OWS

Zack feels like we should be having this conversation in Union Sq. Dicey asks if we’re going to split our community into two places. #NYCGA

Justin: “We need to remember that key line: don’t talk for us, speak with us.” The Union Square occupation is different from this. #NYCGA

Justin informs us they want to call WGs “unions” and have a different structure at Union Square. #NYCGA #OWS

Joanna: “If there’re going to be rules at Union Sq, I hope people follow them.” Notes that some folks didn’t follow agreements in other…

Next: “I’m actually trying to get a new working group for #NYCGA.” Does that happen here or in Union Square? #NYCGA #OWS

Lauren agrees with something Zack said about getting bogged down in practice. “Union Square is a cohesion of Union Sq kids, homeless ppl..”

Cont’d: “…that live there, and us.” “If we want to be successful, Union Square needs to have its own GA.” #NYCGA #OWS

Lauren assumes we’ll be in both places, wants to have this be a step towards “occupying everywhere,” suggests alternate dates for GAs…

Cont’d: …in each places, have marches to connect the two. “Marching from Union Square to Wall Street is really powerful.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “If we’re not going to be able to agree that this GA moves to Union Square, let’s just let Union Sq have its own GA.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “We nd to be respectful to what’s already formed here.” Libor asks to clarify: keep this GA & acknowledge we have another assembly.

Zack: “Having spoken to a lot of ppl in Union Square, they still consider themselves part of #OWS.” Ppl were beaten, park barricaded.

Cont’d: “It’s not like we planned to have another occupation in NYC. Having this GA” without folks is a problem. #NYCGA #OWS

Justin: “People knew where GA would be, it’s on the website.” People are voting with their feet tonight. #NYCGA #OWS

Next: “Your point about having different assemblies in different locations: it’s a good idea, but bad at the same time.” Could stretch thin.

Cont’d: Feels we need to have a major location. “Can’t spread too thin.” #NYCGA #OWS

Nick: “Most of the stuff that we’re talking about right now needs to take place with the people at Union Square.” Look at numbers. #NYCGA

Nick’s emergency proposal is to keep listing this GA, and to add whatever Union Square wants to do to the list. “If there’s zero ppl…”

Cont’d: “…here, it’s still listed, but doesn’t happen.” “This discussion should only be about moving this to union square right now.”

Carrie: “A bunch of us were in Union Square and came down here, I thought, with the intent that we’re going to consense that the #NYCGA…”

Cont’d: “…move to Union Square. Now i’m hearing folks in Union Square don’t want that or the general fund, which is interesting.”

Cont’d: “I’ve been occupying there all day,” finds whether or not you’re sleeping there not so much material to the thing. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d “I’m feeling that justin and lauren are right that we need to see what that group wants to do, and we can’t do anything…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…without that.” Suggests proposal be that we have a discussion at Union Square about what to do. #NYCGA #OWS

Trish: “Union Square is a very political site- anyone who’s NYC-based, you know that it’s long-term – the mayor, police claim that…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…the artist community were the last community forced out of that point because of merchants. So you’re constantly going to be…”

Cont’d: “…confronted by police, provocateurs,” established drug community. Says it’s more dangerous than Liberty “times 10.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “It’s in our best interest to stay as close to Wall Street as we can, because that gives us a validity that we’ve fought hard for.”

Dicey: “We need to acknowledge this conversation is complicated and we need to be patient with each other.” Likes Carrie’s proposal. #NYCGA

Lauren: “It doesn’t matter where you occupy; I could go occupy harlem, or green point, but I still think we’re considered #OWS.” #NYCGA

Freddie: “I just had a question, if we move GA to Union Square, it’s almost like we’re abandoning everything down here.” Ppl come here. #OWS

Cont’d: “If I find out I have to go all the way to Union Square, I might go home.” Not him, but others might. #NYCGA #OWS

Freddie notes the Union Square occupation makes us visible. Libor: “On Tuesday, there is supposed to be #NYCSC,” big march Saturday…

Cont’d: “…what’s the logistics? Are we marching down here?” Lauren’s not sure but has heard starting place might be Union Sq. #NYCGA #OWS

Justin: “One pressing issue #NYCGA needs to deal with: all budgets are now locked and we need to decide what to do w/ last 10k.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “Hopefully, everyone will go to Spokes tomorrow so we can have this conversation.” Ravi notes Accounting will want to ask GA. #NYCGA

Trish’s POI: “Union Sq Park has a calendar posted on http://t.co/rOAmHNDm – every day, things are posted.” Events, markets, la la la. #OWS

Cont’d: “Those things will have priority in that park.” Suggests we look at calendar. #NYCGA #OWS

Joanna asks that people resist urge to differentiate based on whether you sleep overnight, have been arrested, or how long you’ve been here.

Libor notes we didn’t care about what was going on in this neighborhood; let’s protest, “shut it down and disrupt little bit of flow.”#NYCGA

Caitie: “I get the sense that we can’t really continue this conversation until we go to Union Sq, so can we table until we get to Union Sq.”

Stan notes we can move this GA right now to Union Square if we want to. #NYCGA #OWS

Stack’s closed: Zack, Lauren, Nick, Dicey, Carrie. Stan: after this stack is closed we’ll review proposals we’ve heard. #NYCGA #OWS

Zack responds to Dicey: “A lot of ppl at Union Square consider themselves #OWS – we’re all the same ppl, nothing changed when we set foot..”

Cont’d: “…to that space. So it wouldn’t be considered an invasion; nothing has changed. The other thing is that honestly, people have…”

Cont’d: “…made their own decisions. If they wanted to attend GA, they would. A very large majority aren’t here and didn’t know it was…”

Cont’d: “…happening.” Just by moving it there, “we can make the announcement, if ppl aren’t happy, they don’t have to attend, but…”

Cont’d: “…moving to Union Square for tonight — just tonight — to decide what to do, get a real consensus from the community.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “I think it’s a necessary move to include the whole community.” Someone asks what’s going on at Union Sq. #NYCGA #OWS

Lauren: “There’s been no establishment of structure or a GA at Union Square.” People are doing lots of rad things there tho. #NYCGA #OWS

Lauren; “I think it’s important as an occupation to be flexible, and to not become” paralyzed by process. DA on #M17 was planning… #OWS

Cont’d: “…on occupying a space, but it wasn’t going to be #LibertySquare necessarily.” Even tho yes we’re #OWS, “if we have…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…an opportunity to have an occupation again, which I think is what everyone wants… not so much to get caught up in the utopian..”

Cont’d: “…feeling of it, but the visibility.” Notes current press attention and visibility is great. “Today is the first day of…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…American Spring.” Occupation sprung up organically in Union Square. “Even tho it’s a really delicate situation…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…we’ve had our training, we’ve had a crash course, let’s come together.” Also doesn’t feel like it’s going to feel like an…

Cont’d: …invasion; what felt like an invasion was when “people showed up last night and just tried to take over,” instead of letting folks..

Cont’d: …figure out what to do. Dicey thanks her for the clarification and likes the idea of talking about what to do up there. #NYCGA #OWS

Dicey notes that it’s not so much that we’re all invading, but there are a bunch of new stakeholders in that park. #NYCGA #OWS

Libor likes what he’s hearing but wants to make a proposal that we’re visiting the GA there tonight to see how it feels. #NYCGA #OWS

Carrie thinks “we’re all talking in the same lines.” Loves the Union Sq occupation, but a little worried about ppl’s reactions to having…

Cont’d: …GA just move there. “My proposal would be that we decide we are open to #NYCGA moving to Union Sq,but first we want to have…”#NYCGA

Cont’d: “…a discussion about whether folks there want this GA to move there, or be a satellite, or what they want.” #NYCGA #OWS

Catie wants to know if we are going to talk about anything else at this GA tonight. “Probably not,” someone notes. #NYCGA #OWS

OK, so Carrie clarifies her proposal: “Let’s agree to discuss moving the GA there,” but not just move the GA there, ‘thinks that would…”

Cont’d: “…get messy.” Stan tries to clarify Libor’s proposal — it’s to move it anytime, but temporarily, and then once meeting there…#NYCGA

Cont’d: “…decide whether we’re moving there for good, or what.” Zack’s is that “we end GA here, continue it at Union Square, make an…”#NYCGA

Cont’d: “…announcement to everyone — which is us, there is no us and them, that’s part of my proposal – we explain what happened here…”

Cont’d: “…and that we want an inclusive discussion, in a GA format, about what to do with the GA.” Get folks there to continue the GA.#NYCGA

Nick notes that if we’re one group, the GA is naturally there. If not, there are different things. Zack says he’s here from Union Sq and…

Cont’d: …is proposing it. We’re going to straw poll these ideas. Libor proposes we set a date to move the #NYCGA to Union square. #OWS

Carrie’s proposal is to end this GA “here and now for tonight, but w/ decision we’re going to Union Sq to figure out what they want to do.”

Cont’d: “…but that this GA does not continue there tonight.” Zack’s proposal is similar but we wouldn’t end GA, just continue it there to…

Cont’d: …talk about that. “I know there’s no quorum needed for a GA, but I think it would be good to move where our occupiers are to find..”

Cont’d: “…consensus?” Libor asks what we do if Union Square doesn’t want to move GA there; consensus is it’d automatically be here Thurs.

So, we temp checked and it’s between Carrie’s and Zack’s. Straw poll next: Carrie is 6, Zack is 8 votes… Sean suggests we merge them…

Lauren: “Technically we’d be doing both, because we’d have to end the GA to do what Zack is proposing,” even if it restarts later. #NYCGA

Carrie: “To clarify, what would happen there wouldn’t affect #NYCGA,” would be a discussion to see what they want. #OWS

Lauren notes that since they seemed to not want the finances of the #NYCGA up in #UnionSq, maybe Carrie’s idea, to have discussion is…

Cont’d: …more appropriate. Zack’s POI: “There has not been a GA at Union Sq where consensus has been reached” on proposals. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “So, you have people that may be leaning one way, and people that may be leaning the other day.” #NYCGA #OWS

(FTR, we temp checked whether to make this process an “emergency proposal”, and we did.. just to satisfy the 24-hour-notice rule.) #NYCGA

Tess notes that we all agree on going to Union Square. “Why don’t we get on the train and decide?” Folks note that we need to decide if…

Cont’d: …the GA closes though. Libor notes we can’t impose our decision on them. Tess: “We left there to came here since supposedly…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…this is where valid decisions are made.” Sean notes we’d have to ask consent of folks there to establish facilitators, could be…

Cont’d: ..a way to do it. Dicey makes a friendly amendment to join the 2 proposals: we pause GA, discuss at #UnionSq what to do, if there..

Cont’d: …is consensus at Union Square, we continue GA. If not, we continue GA Thursday at 60 Wall. #NYCGA #OWS

Cheers! We just did awesome things. I’ll livetweet the facilitated discussion at Union Square and then the GA if it continues there. #NYCGA

The discussion is happening, via people’s mic. Sean proposed we discuss having a GA across the park; ppl not huge on that b/c…

…right now everyone is just enjoying the occupation. Lauren’s POI: she spoke w/ some members of the #UnionSq community; they suggested…

Cont’d: …a morning community meeting to discuss this Occupation and what we’re doing here. Sage proposes we share info first…

Cont’d: …and take baby steps towards working together and using directly democratic processes. Lauren explains the GA discussion…

Cont’d: …from earlier at 60 Wall, notes we have a new situation here and we need to discuss what to do with it, reproposes community mtg..

Cont’d: …and tempchecks what to do. Lopi suggests we need to build community here and maybe bringing GA model isn’t necessarily the best..

Cont’d: …idea right now. Suggests we share ideas and why we’re here (soapbox-style, sounds like) before we make this decision.

Someone POIs: talked to #NLG; someone is supposed to come here to protect us, not seen yet. #OWS

Next: “I’m a Union Square kid. People have been here for years. All they want is to coexist with us.” Zack notes Lopi’s proposal had a lot..

Cont’d: …of twinkles, to put GA on hold at 60 Wall “until we’re through the healing process”. Many Uptwinkles still. #OWS #NYCGA

Lauren and Sage both propose we have breakout groups. Lauren notes we have a proposal, but there’s no agreement this is a decision-making..

Cont’d: …body. @blogdiva: I’m here to present an emergency proposal that has to do w/ a statement of solidarity with the family of…

Cont’d: …Treyvan Martin, a child who was “murdered by a vigilante in his town in Florida who has not been charged with anything.”

Cont’d: “Treyvan was murdered for wearing a hoodie and being black.” tomorrow a “million hoodie march” will go from here to the #UN. #nycga

Cont’d: “This is not a march organized by #OWS, but I propose we show solidarity” and make a statement we oppose racism, genocide…

Lauren’s POI: “I’ve had 2 discussions here about element of other rallies and meetings that happen here.” Says we are obligated to respect..

Cont’d: …that, don’t “need any kind of consensus to show solidarity with what this place was intended for.” #NYCGA #OWS

Liza thanks us for our Uptwinkles (unanimous) on her proposal, will tweet out that we’re in solidarity. #NYCGA #OWS

Lopi notes we just showed strong consensus for the proposal. “we don’t need to be so officious about this situation,” suggests we…

Cont’d: …temp check showing solidarity with the million hoodie march. #OwS #NYCGA

Evan asks: “Are we occupiers?” looks like we are. “Are we assembled?” same. “Then it doesn’t matter whether we’re the GA.” #NYCGa #OwS

Ritchie: “There’s no such thing as “the GA”, that shit has gotten way out of hand.” sage notes we need to listen to folks who…

Cont’d: ..might not agree with us. Example: whether we march, leave things here, might lose park. Need to discuss. #NYCGA #OWS

Lauren says that we should feel free to do anything we want. Someone says it might divide us if we suspend the #NYCGA. #OWS

Ok, we’re going to unofficially break out and discuss stuff– no decision on what to do with the GA tonight. According to earlier GA…

Cont’d: …consensus, we’ll reconvene at 60 Wall to discuss what to do with the GA. Hopefully folks will come down from Union Square. #NYCGA

& the Illuminator arrives!! Cheers! OK fam– here’s yr moment of Zen. Come #OccupyUnionSq w/ us! Spokes tmrw. #OWS http://t.co/x0oPW9Wj

@drgoddess sorry fam! Didn’t have a chance to look it up in the heat of the moment. Much love. #solidarity

RT @drgoddess: .@LibertySqGA Hey, you guys, the proper hashtag is #TrayvonMartin Still, we appreciate #Trayvon being discussed at Gener …

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