Tweets for Tue, 06 Mar 2012

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Hey fam! We’re about to start the #OWS General Assembly here at 60 Wall St. Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, @LibertySqGA4. #NYCGA

Mark and Leah are our facilitators tonight — we affectionately call them Stairs even tho we’re not in Liberty Square. #NYCGA #OWS

Mark reads the “Statement of Intention on entering the space,” from the Community Agreements passed by Spokescouncil. #NYCGA #OWS

Here’s the text of the Community Agreement: http://t.co/sXzjTHrt #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs will review hand signals. “If you like what’s being said, up twinkle! If you’re not sure, somewhere in the middle.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “When you don’t like it, down twinkle.” Be sure to use this respectfully instead of non-verbally “sneering at people.” #NYCGA #OWS

Put one finger up to give a factual “point of information” that corrects a misstatement or adds info relevant to the proposal. #NYCGA #OWS

Leah: “If things seem to be getting out of hand, [putting two hands over your head] means ‘bring it back to the house’,” look to Stairs.

Mark: “There was a request to do reportbacks and announcements together, b/c more ppl are here at start than end.” #NYCGA #OWS

Mark temperature checks doing that — we’re a go! Now opening stack for announcements and working group reportbacks. #NYCGA #OWS

CT Butler will do consensus workshops Saturday and Sunday at WBAI (120 Wall). Need to register to attend. #NYCGA #OWS

Chris: “Dane Rossman, an activist in Tucson AZ, was arrested in November 2010 in an action against a Nazi rally in Tucson.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “He was arrested and is looking at over 20 years in prison.” Good friend of Chris’. “If you think you can help or are interested…”

Cont’d: “…in fundraising, supporting this individual, please see me later.” Arrest was during blocking of Nazi rally marching to courthouse.

Cont’d: “Also, the police responded with pepper spray, teargas, and pepper spray-filled paintballs.” There’s video online. #NYCGA #OWS

Next, Shawn! “Today, Direct Action Working Group consensed on a call for weekly marches on Wall Street!” Starts Friday, March 18th. #NYCGA

Shawn says there’ll be weekly marches every Friday leading up to MayDay. #NYCGA #OWS #M1

Jen: “This coming Friday, an event called Repression and Resistance: the Panthers to #OWS.” Starts with anti-repression training. #NYCGA

Cont’d: “Then, we’ll have dinner and Cointelpro 101, documentary about repression in ’60s, then panel discussion.” Judson Memorial, 5pm Fri.

Phoebe: “I’m here to tell you guys that ComHub is taking a break, but we’re not going away forever.” Want feedback about “whether…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…you guys find ComHub useful?” Seems like people here do! She asks about events and GA/Spokes coverage. Seems surprised at response

Cont’d: “We’re trying to build our team and will be back in April. But since I can report back all the loving twinkles, it may be sooner.”

Cont’d: “We’ll draft letters and send them out, but I’m really happy I can tell folks that ppl love ComHub and find it useful.” #NYCGA #OWS

Sage reminds us to expect safe spaces from each other, and to be understanding and respectful of facilitators. #NYCGA #OWS

@wookietv heyo hit me with that announcement again?

This guy Corey who usually disrupts gets up and says he had a meeting with Dick Cheney today and says ppl like us in Syria are being killed.

Mark: “Tomorrow, there’s an action by OccupyFaith community leaders,” at NW Corner of 30th and 3rd, near Cuomo’s office. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “Cuomo is cutting 20 million dollars from services,” but we have the money if only corporations paid taxes. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “OccupyFaith is asking Cuomo to close those loopholes rather than cut social services.” OccupyFaith will set up beds and pray.#NYCGA

Next, Occupalooza! “The Kitchen group came up with this idea for an informational festival” while chopping veggies. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “We really think it’s important to do outreach outside the movement” to get folks who can’t always participate. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “People out there, they want to join us, but they don’t know how. It feels inaccessible to a lot of people.” #NYCGA #OWS

Apparently the city wants $1.4Million in fees to hold the event, but we’re still allowed to picnic.” #NYCGA #OWS

They want to have a 1% dunk tank, and many other fun and informative events. This, the first proposal, is to create a working group to plan.

CQ asks if it’s so costly just because of the location; answer is yes, but other locations are booked. #NYCGA #OWS

Jack asks if they can have a Woodstock themed component. “It’s the Yes Festival, so yes, it’s going on the list,” is the answer. #NYCGA #OWS

Proposer notes that it’s important that folks who come and participate understand this is an #OWS event, regardless of orgs involved. #NYCGA

CQ: “How is this related to or in parallel with the pop-up occupations?” A: She doesn’t know about them, invites to dialogue. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “If you believe in our vision and goals, and our declaration of solidarity, then come to our party.” Will be “a love festival.”

“I’m hoping we can have a day of Occupy where we all just try our hardest to come from good, from light, from peace.” #NYCGA #OWS

Mark: “We’re going to move on and open stack for concerns.” Will combine concerns and friendly amendments into one stack. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Why don’t we put info and lit at our food table?” A: “Yes, that’s a very good idea,” invites him to contribute some lit to it. #NYCGA

OK, that’s it — no concerns, no amendments — Stairs now asking for Standasides and Blocks.

Stairs: “Looks like there are no standasides! Are there any blocks?” No blocks! Consensus! #NYCGA #OWS

The proposer cheers. “Wooo, Occupalooza! All day, after dark, Occupy Central Park!” We chant for a minute, because fuck yeah. #NYCGA #OWS

Next proposal comes from Shazz. “I’ve done a few things, started Occupy Farms,” other things, collected notes and stories. #NYCGA #OWS

Shazz wants to write about #OWS. “I want to ask for solidarity in writing that book; it’s a little odd, uncharted territory.” #NYCGA #OWS

Sounds like Shazz wants folks w/ Twitter and Facebook platforms to link to his Kickstarter for writing the book. #NYCGA #OWS

Shazz notes he hasn’t written it yet, so our support would be good faith. Tells about something he did today, documenting someone. #NYCGA

Shazz also nods at ideological discussions about political theory, principles and tactics, privilege and sustainability. #NYCGA #OWS

“I also wanted to do outreach so it’s not just my opinion, b/c sometimes when I state my opinion I put my foot in my mouth.” #NYCGA #OWS

So Shazz asks us for some idea of how it looks to us, “for someone in the community to write a book.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “From little I know you, you proposed that we divide all the donated $ among occupiers, and then asked for help going to Geneva.” #NYCGA

The questioner suggests that it’s a volunteer movement, and folks need to do things to prove their value rather than ask for money again.

Cont’d: “What’s your qualifications in representing us via a book?” A: “A point of clarification, that’s not all I’ve done here, but I…”

Cont’d: “…have done those things;” notes the Davos (sorry, not Geneva) thing was for support to raise independent funds, not $ from #OWS.

Cont’d; “RE: dividing the money among all occupiers, I did think that was the thing to do at the time.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “RE: my qualifications, I’ve been here since before the raid, and I have a lot to share. Been collecting notes and stories.” #NYCGA

CQ: “In a movement this big, why are you opting to write this book yourself and not more of a collaborative effort w/ ppl in the movement?”

A: “I hope this isn’t the end, but a good example of a model others should follow – there should be more writing on #Occupy from occupiers.”

Cont’d: “Hopefully mine is the first of many, but I have a personal story and all these notes from ppl I’ve talked to.” #NYCGA #OWS

Shazz wants to tell the stories from the squats and the churches. “I like the work of Studs Terkel”. Next on stack: Evan. #NYCGA #OWS

Evan: “So, just to be clear, you want to do a Kickstarter campaign, and you want to have GA’s blessing, as it were.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “And I imagine you’ll say that on the Kickstarter?” A: “Yeah, I’m gonna go through with it w or w/o the blessing of the community…”

Cont’d: “…but in the interests of transparency,” wanted to bring a discussion to the community about how we deal with this sort of thing.

CQ: “What is the point of the book, and do you have a skeleton or an outline of things you’d like to achieve with the book?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “It’s called Occupy KISS: Anarchist Blog W/in #OWS.” Nods to anarchist identity of many organizers and “keep it simple stupid,” basics.

Cont’d: “What I hope is that the layman can sort of see where #Occupy came from, and then in my experience, how it developed, and then..”

Cont’d: “…where I think it’s going.” He’ll try to be as far as possible but “definitely it’s going to be from a personal point of view.”

OK, we’re going to move to concerns and friendly amendments, but in 5-minute breakout groups instead of stacks. #NYCGA #OWS

Leah: “The idea would be that everyone gets to talk to each other and maybe resolve each others’ concerns,” might streamline stacks. #NYCGA

GA didn’t like it, so we’re going to move to stacks. First concern: “It looks like you’re looking for an endorsement on your book, and…”

Cont’d: “… it may be the greatest work of art ever, or it may be crap.” Notes we can’t endorse something w/o knowing what it is. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “But I propose that once you have written it, or written some chapters, and we can look it over, you could come back.” #NYCGA #OWS

Shazz interprets as editorial power for #OWS. “As an artist, i can’t accept the FA; I sort of have to have liberty to write as I see fit.”

Shawn’s POI: “There are new websites coming out that you can plug into if you’d like to write content as an occupier and with #OWS.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “They’re http://t.co/uWdZ6Sz9 and The Daily Occupier (@DailyOcc)!” But notes we have a statement of autonomy that… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…says, speak with us, not for us.” Says he has blocking concerns based on his past behavior and the topics he mentioned. #NYCGA

Cont’d; Shawn also has issues w/ the dichotomy between “violence and non-violence,” which he says is false and dangerous, & w/ endorsements.

C: “I’ve seen some of your writing re: Accounting; I’ve seen you make facts up and run with them. Concerned you’ll do same w/ this book.”

C: “Through a statement of solidarity, you’d be getting somewhat of an endorsement, and could capitalize on our movement.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d; “I’m not cool with that, so I amend that 50% of the revenue go to the General Fund.” #NYCGA #OWS

Shazz “was thinking about that; I think the living costs of writing the book are about $3000, so if you are giving me $1500, I’d give you..”

Cont’d: “…half of the proceeds of the book.” Shawn: “And he says he’s an anarchist.” #NYCGA #OWS

Nick’s friendly amendment is that rather than endorsing his book, we could endorse writing books in general. #NYCGA #OWS

A: “If this doesn’t pass, I’d accept that as a last resort,” but otherwise no. #NYCGA #OWS

C: “I want to hear your opinion first before you start writing anything” re: the NDAA and the global war coming. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “In these two regards, let’s hear your opinions.” A: “I think they are both bad.” Hahah. #NYCGA #OWS

We ran out of time on the proposal, so we have to temp-check whether to give it more. Nope! Moving onto next proposal… #NYCGA #OWS

Next proposal: from the “Labor Outreach Committee rank-and-file, about trying to choose an Occupy logo. #NYCGA #OWS

The idea is “to have a contest on Facebook worldwide, so we’d get people in other countries” involved around the world, invested. #NYCGA

Cont’d: “So it’s not just ‘I have a logo,’ or ‘he has a logo,’” but we make the logo together via that contest “and it stays in the news.”

Opening CQ stack. CQ: “If it’s a contest, will there be a winner? And if there’s a winner, how will it be chosen?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “We’ll have to narrow it down; someone online said, there could be 9,000 submissions, and it’s cool.” Proposes series of contests… #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…with online votes.” “But the idea is to get reactions from Paris, London, Istanbul.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “So winner-take-all, then? There will be one in the end?” A: “Sort of, yes, haven’t gotten that far.” Doesn’t want to mandate it. #NYCGA

Next CQ: “Logo is the most important symbol for the movement, and definitely we should have some to rep us — do you have any to show us?”

A: “I don’t have one. I want to make a contest; we can bring the contest back here, the results. But no, I’m not pushing a singe one.”#NYCGA

CQ: “I think it’s a great idea, but I’m concerned about this whole movement of branding.” Nods to a “ben and jerry’s” proposal… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…which is ‘hippie capitalism,’ no messing around.” “That vibe is disturbing, awkward, not saying you’re in that vein,” concerned.

A: “I’m sorry, but I don’t see the connection.” Stairs notes that’s more of a concern, but the question I guess was whether that’s a thing.

CQ: “I was commenting online about this- have you thought about what process will happen after you collect submissions?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “There is not an answer to the question beyond what I already said, which is collect, and then decide.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Is this contest online-only, and who decides the winner?” A: “There’ll be online voting.” Wants folks online to sift it down. “The…”

Cont’d: “…whole point is to get people involved. There’s no money involved.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Have you talked to the design group here about this? B/c I know that they may want to be involved in this process.” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “I’d be glad to work with any group that exists, and I know there’s some logos out.” #NYCGA #OWS

Patricia’s second CQ notes that http://t.co/ro8M9QWV had a contest about logos, “& a lot of concerns were raised on the part of designers..”

Cont’d: “…and competition, and getting free work,” and wants to know if they were aware. Patricia points them to Evan, who works w/ them.

CQ: Jack pulls out his buttons. “Born and made in Zuccotti Park.” “This logo says ’99% for peace,’” shows his tshirts. #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs gently prods Jack: “Is there a question in here?” Mark: “Jack, ladies and gentlemen, he’ll be here all night.” Laffs. #NYCGA #OWS

OK, moving to concerns: “This movement has sort of organically branded itself; this might confuse people b/c ppl have already seen….” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…you know, the fist, and this sort of common typeface.” A: “Which is the standard?” There’s none, but some common ones. #NYCGA #OWS

“The branding and the logo have emerged organically,” worried people might be confused if they start to do other ones. #NYCGA #OWS

There’s 10 people on Concerns stack, which Stairs are closing now. Hermes is next. #NYCGA #OWS

Hermes passes. Dylan: “My concern is that the movement already has so many beautiful logos, why marginalize them for one?” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “And how would you get this one logo to be the official logo,” copyright, etc? A: “I’m not locked into one; i’m locked into the…”

Cont’d: “…contest part of it, involving people in it.” Next concern: Emily. “I expressed my concerns online; i think there…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…are already many artists involved,” many logos and designs. “I don’t find it necessary to have an official logo; I know that’s..”

Cont’d: “…how other organizations work, but #OWS isn’t like other organizations.” Doesn’t think we should ever have an official logo. #NYCGA

She suggests “choosing a logo for this movement is choosing a visual ‘representative’ for this movement, which to me violates the..” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…Statement of Autonomy.” Stairs notes there’s 5 minutes or less on the clock for this proposal. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “What’s this logo for, #Occupy or #OWS?” A: “The #Occupy movement.” OK, so the concern that follows is in agreement with everything…

Cont’d: …stated, “but also, we’re not empowered to design a process for choosing anything for the whole movement.” If GA wanted a logo…

Cont’d: …that would be different, though “I’d still have concerns with the mechanism,” but at least it’s “within our scope.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “But, I respect the powerfully awesome impulse to get people involved,” hope that we can find another mechanism like that. #NYCGA

Someone proposes that we start with a logo for GA. I think he passed. #NYCGA #OWS

Next concern likes the contest, but notes that “one official” logo will turn people off. But a contest to bring new designs, he likes.#NYCGA

Evan suggests that the process should be not as much picking a winner, but narrowing down votes. “I might want to call it not a contest…”

Cont’d: “…but a crowd-sourced event.” OK, he accepts. Will restate the proposal and any friendly amendments. #NYCGA #OWS

So friendly amendments were to keep the output in the commons, and to call it a crowdsourced event. #NYCGA #OWS

Proposal: “To start a worldwide Facebook contest to design a logo.” Folks chafe at Facebook – he didn’t explicitly mention it before. #NYCGA

Stairs: “OK, any standasides? Means you don’t like the proposal and will let it go through.” #NYCGA #OWS

Standaside #1: “I just don’t support having any official logo.” #2: “I think it’s a great idea, but the issue I raised earlier about…”

Cont’d: “…the move of capitalism to take everything over,” that’s why he opposes it. #NYCGA #OWS

Standaside #3: “I just don’t feel comfortable with it.” Standaside #4: Jack: “You’ve got to remember that Liberty Square is the holy land..”

Cont’d: “…of #OWS. We have logos born in Zuccotti, made in Zuccotti.” Shows a few off. “We can’t just have one.” 13 Standasides. #NYCGA #OWS

A few more want to speak to theirs. “I stand aside b/c I think it should be an individual choice what a person’s feeling towards…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…the movement is and their expression of that.” Next: “I think it’s ridiculous to have this contest only on Facebook…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…there are millions who don’t have the Internet.” Proposer takes Facebook out, so two fewer stand aside. #NYCGA #OWS

Now moving onto blocks. “Blocks are serious moral, ethical, safety concerns such that this proposal compromises the integrity of the mvmnt..

Cont’d: “Are there any blocks?” 8 blocks. Stairs: “At this point, even if we move forward to modified consensus, it won’t pass.” #NYCGA #OWS

Some blocks will be spoken to, but the proposer sits down. Anthony: “We’re a movement that’s ever-changing, ever-evolving; why put a brand..

Cont’d: “…on it? I think it sort of limits us. We shouldn’t have one thing; we should have a competition, but not an #OWS logo.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “Because we’re a free fucking movement, and what if the next day, we say we don’t like it anymore? So why waste time with that?”

Cont’d: “Oh, and fuck Monsanto!” #NYCGA #OWS

.@diceytroop big ups the idea of getting folks involved but notes that “if we don’t respect where our empowerment ends and others’…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…autonomy begins,” it’s a slippery slope that can devolve quickly and split us apart. “I don’t think we have the right to design..”

Cont’d: “…a process for others’ voices, not by consent of this body anyway.” #NYCGA #OWS

OK, that’s it for the General Assembly, fam! Thanks for reading. [Questions, comments, concerns, hit me up @diceytroop. -Ed.] #NYCGA #OWS

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