Tweets for Thu, 15 Mar 2012

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RT @DailyOcc: We’ve also posted our preview of tonight’s Occupy Wall Street / NYC General Assembly: http://t.co/1xuNnOVZ Live coverage l …

Hey fam! #NYCGA is now starting at 60 Wall, after a great action. Everyone is really excitable right now. #OWS

The first announcement: someone will propose a week from today that we stop holding both the #NYCSC and the #NYCGA due to disruption. #OWS

Next, OWS en Español will be going to the Bronx to work w/ the community. Will spend more time in outer boroughs! #NYCGA #OWS

Ellis from Class War: “On the 31st of this month, we’re having an event in Union Sq entitled ‘How to Kill Capitalism’.” 3pm. #NYCGA #OWS

Also, they went to the GA “the other night to try to get hotspots,” for a benefit concert – was blocked, but they’ll do it anyway. #NYCGA

It’ll be a benefit show for the General Fund — talk to Ellis, Anthony, or Zak to help! #NYCGA #OWS

Next, Emanuel, from a Bay Area collective that produces cool “info cards on various topics.” “We did a whole bunch of research and wrote…”

Cont’d: “…really cool stuff on the back.” It’s online, free; they “suggest a union printer”, use as outreach cards. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “These really expose the criminal collusion between corporations and government.” Will pass many around. #NYCGA #OWS

Next, Lauren! “I just want to say two things: one, if you guys were on the BoA action today, you know we had an awesome time!” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “I just found out from the NLG that the people arrested today should be released in a few hours w/ desk appearance tickets.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “Also, tomorrow at 2pm is our first Spring Training March!” Park at 2. Everyone starts singing Eye of the Tiger. #NYCGA #OWS

Next, Mandolin reps the Bike Coalition! “The Bike Coalition’s going pretty good; we’re getting donations like crazy…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…but we don’t have any tools or space.” Asks for help — someone can help! Also, Tuesday noon to 2PM at Zuccotti, bike repairs.

Next, Tony reminds us that “COOLS is every day from 12-2,” asks that we all get out there 2 days a wk. Lunch, speakers, other stuff. #NYCGA

Next, Vision and Goals: “Maybe all of you guys have read the 1/24 vision statement,” didn’t get consensed on except the Liberty bullet pt.

Cont’d: “In the meantime, the working group decided whole GA would never consense,” will bring it for ‘theoretical consensus’ to see… #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…how people would consense on it.” Will let them post “how #OWS feels about all these points.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next, from the Anti-Repression Committee! “Everyone knows..we have the largest prison population in the entire world.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: Chepe: “It was the incarceration of political activists in black, Chicano, indigenous communities” that started race to incarcerate.

Cont’d: “In the last 2 years, there’s been tremendous resistance in prisons.” Notes that GA last year was largest prison strike ever. #NYCGA

Cont’d: “In California, there was the Pelican Bay hunger strike,” second phase overlapped with #OWS. They sent us a letter! #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: The anti-repression committee doesn’t feel comfortable responding without GA; want to send letter of receipt prior… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: …to putting a response through our process. This is the first proposal tonight. #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs opens stack on clarifying questions. First, Barbara. CQ: “Can you read the letter, at least? I don’t know how long your letter is.”

A: “It’s 5 or 6 paragraphs — it’s a solidarity letter, that lets them know we’re putting their letter through our process.” #NYCGA #OWS

The Pelican Bay folks apparently had some demands for us, hence the activist legal team’s reticence to respond directly. #NYCGA #OWS

Folks really want to hear the full letter. Check out @dailyocc’s pre-GA summary breakdown w/ links to proposals: http://t.co/x8SkzMq2 #NYCGA

OK, that’s it for clarifying questions. Opening concerns stack. First: “I know they’ve worked hard on this letter, but to my mind it’s…”

Cont’d: “…filled with a lot of jargon, not English.” Lots of folks in prison only have at best a high school education. “It feels too…”

Cont’d: “…class-different.” “I feel if you could change the letter to use different words that don’t sound so big…” #NYCGA #OWS

Chepe responds: “I’ve been doing prison solidarity stuff for 15 years, and my experience is that prisoners are just as varied in education..

Cont’d: “..levels as we are.” Notes there are radical book projects and that prisoners hv little time for things aside from reading, study.

Cont’d: “I think that to dumb it down risks being patronizing… we should kind of keep it at the level that respects their intelligence.”

Concern responds: “I hear you, but I’m just concerned it’s filled with a lot of jargon.” Doesn’t feel it’s up to her to change it… #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…it’s just a critique.” Proposer Cari notes they’ve been dealing w/ this letter since January; been a long process; are concerned..

Cont’d: …that the prisoners “think we ignored their letter,” thinks that’s really bad. #NYCGA #OWS

Horatio has the opposite concern, notes the word “intelligence” in intro may come off as condescending. Proposers accept as FA. #NYCGA #OWS

That’s it for concerns or friendly amendments. Stairs: “Can I get a temp check on moving to consensus?” Looks good! #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs: “Any standasides?” No. “Any blocks?” No. Anthony: “We have consensus! Woooo!” #NYCGA #OWS

OK, next proposal. “Basically, I’m here to ask the #OWS GA to endorse a festival in Seattle” in August called Everything for Everyone. #OWS

The festival is aimed as outreach for the #Occupy movement, they say. Now opening stack for clarifying questions. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Everything for Everyone” is “too general.” [Technically this belongs on the stack for Concerns. -Ed.] #NYCGA #OWS

(Here’s the proposal we’re discussing: http://t.co/M2vjdR2w ) #NYCGA #OWS

OK, moving onto concerns / friendly amendments. C: “For those of us who don’t live in Seattle — most of us don’t — can’t we just be in..”

Cont’d: “…solidarity?” Proposer answers they hope we can help. “We have to pick *a* location;” would like everyone to be able to contribute.

CQ: “What can we do to help? Do you want money? Do you want ideas? What exactly are you asking us to help you with?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “As of right now, we’re looking mostly in terms of, we want to be able to approach talent, speakers, other GAs and develop interest…”

Cont’d: “…in the idea for this festival. When that comes along, we’d like to collaborate with other Occupies,” hopes occupiers present…

Cont’d: …ideas for events, panels, etc. Right now, though, they just want #OWS to endorse the idea. #NYCGA

CQ: “Can New York have a festival as well?” A: “I think if NY wants to organize a festival of this type, that’d be awesome. I think…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…bringing culture and politics together” is a great strategy. #NYCGA #OWS

C: We’re local to NYC — why ask us about this? A: “We did talk to Occupy Seattle first,” have “a couple of other endorsements.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “We plan to get endorsements from #OWS in addition to planning endorsements from several other cities.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next C, @thejorobin: “I’m concerned that we really don’t have a lot of access to info about the organizing style or intention right now…”

Cont’d: “…and I’m always concerned as a member of this movement for endorsing events we weren’t around for the creation of…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…though personally I endorse this event.” Jo asks if they will charge — they’ll ask for donations. No one will be turned away.

Next C: “I’m not sure why we’re supposed to do this – just before this, we were asked to be in solidarity w/ an obvious struggle…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…giving our name for a political cause.” But to endorse a festival “is just marketing. We’re horizontal – we do what we do.” #NYCGA

A: “We want endorsement for a couple of reasons: 1, we do want GAs in other parts of the country to feel a part of this — it’s going on..”

Cont’d: “…for them.” Not meant for “particular organization,” hopes occupiers around country will come and engage discussion. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “So, we want people from Occupy across the country to feel invested in this festival.” They’re serious, he says… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…it’s not a whim.” Next concern is about “everything for everyone” being too general, wants “everything for the 99%.” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Everything for everyone means to me, more of a vision of the society we want… the culture we want to create… where we actually share…”

Cont’d: “…the means” to sustain ourselves. #NYCGA #OWS

OK, that’s it for concerns/FAs — Stairs asks if we want to move to consensus. “It’s good, some downtwinkles.” Any standasides? There are 2.

Stairs: “Is there anybody blocking this proposal?” 1 block, from the person who is upset that the name is “unclear,” lacks differentiation.

Someone explains he can’t change it. “He’s bringing this to us speaking for a whole group of planners;” he’s one spokesman. Block will hold.

Nick reminds us that “a block represents a moral, ethical, or safety concern so serious you’d leave the movement if it were passed.” #NYCGA

Anthony: “Since we have a block, the proposer’s going to go to modified consensus.” How many against? 1. How many for? 22. It passes! #NYCGA

OK, now David and Natasha will present their proposal: “We want the authority of the GA to send our newsletter to people…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…who have donated to Occupy Wall Street,” several thousand people. Accounting has those emails. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “We think they’d appreciate knowing… that their money goes to good things.” Can opt-out, obvi. They want GA approval… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…for accounting to release the emails.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Does this compromise anything we promised in the past to maintain donors’ anonymity?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “I don’t think so — we’ve talked to Accounting and they’re cool w/ it if the GA approves,” would have mentioned that. #NYCGA #OWS

That’s it for CQs. @thejorobin turns her CQ into a friendly amendment to find out whether it violates anonymity, and if so, don’t move fwd.

They accept that — someone else suggests that they go on case-by-case basis. The proposers accept that too, @thejorobin is cool w/ it.

OK, we’re moving onto consensus on this! Proposers restate, want to send weekly newsletter to ppl who’ve donated in the past and… #NYCGA

Cont’d: …the friendly amendment is that we determine if there are anonymity concerns and honor those. #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs asks for standasides: none! Blocks? None! Consensus! #NYCGA #OWS

OK, now we’re moving onto Rabbi Chaim Gruber’s proposal for an Anti-Violence Pledge. [Uh-oh. -Ed.] #NYCGA #OWS

Chaim: “This is a proposal to make a non-violent statement, as follows.” Here’s the text: http://t.co/nQOnukR3 #NYCGA #OWS

Chaim finishes. “Love is the answer.” Finn: “Any down twinkles for love?” Stairs opening stack on clarifying questions. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “You said any individual can be swayed by non-violence,” no matter what — asks what he’d argue should be done against rapists. #NYCGA

A: “This was the proposal that I read that was exactly as it appeared online yesterday,” but “this concern came up.” #NYCGA #OWS

Chaim suggests a small friendly amendment be made that states that it excludes “self-defense” or “defense of others,” noting that… #NYCGA

Cont’d: ..sometimes force is needed to prevent oppressors from “more oppressing.” Sometimes it’s a moral imperative, he says. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: Nathan asks what the intent is. A: “I think there’s not an understanding of this… if we want non-violence to cover world, we need to..”

Cont’d: “…include everyone’s interests, because otherwise it will devolve into oppression and conflict.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “I understand your approach to non-violent protesting, but as I’ve recently researched it, a lot of people disagree…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…with aggressive” tactics, and believe system should be stopped by any means. “When you try to put that to a whole…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…entire movement of many people with different beliefs… do you think we can use the word ‘respectful’?” #NYCGA #OWS

Jo throws up a point of process: “It’s a very valid idea, but it should be in the concerns & friendly amendments”, pt of the process. #NYCGA

Next CQ: “Is vandalizing of property included or excluded from non-violence?” A: “This is for something that is up for debate. But, if…”

Cont’d: “..we were having a debate, let’s say someone says ‘tanks will be used to kill people,’ does that make offense a defense?” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “Going by the Declaration of Indepdence: “When evil becomes insufferable there’s an obligation to revolt.” As long as you can…”

Cont’d: “…make that case.” Next CQ: “I’m still not clear where you stand on self-defense.” Chaim re-reads his addition that addresses that.

CQ: “Why do you need consensus on this?” A: “I think it would be great for the movement – wonderful for the movement, especially because..”

Cont’d: “…so many people have said such things about ‘rabble’ activity.” Questioner clarifies, wonders if this leads to expulsion. #NYCGA

Chaim: “I cannot think of, and if I am mistaken, please someone say so, any justifiable use of physical force outside what was discussed.”

Cont’d: “So, if this is a nonviolent movement by the principles of solidarity and also all morality, what else is there to say?” #NYCGA #OWS

OK, we’ve run out of the allotted time, so Anthony temperature checks giving 10 more minutes. “It looks mixed. There’s a lot of down + up.”

Anthony: “We’re going to retake the temperature check on 5 mins.” Looks better, though he does “acknowledge there were some down twinkles.”

Concerns now: “This is the most violent society in history. This government murders millions daily; to do nothing is a form of violence.”

Cont’d: “We’ll never convince the 1% to give up their privilege.” “Any violence committed by poor against rich right now is a form of…”

Cont’d: “…self-defense, because they’re killing us.” And “I don’t like my ideas more than I like people. Non-violence is not a religion…”

Cont’d: “…to me. We need to get free.” “And, we’re not being violent.” “Why don’t we condemn the violence against us first?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “This applies, of course, also to the police. It doesn’t just apply to #OWS.” Folks aren’t quite sure how that works. #NYCGA

Jo’s concern: “First of all, I want to say that individually, I think this is a beautiful statement and I’m grateful to hear it. THank you..

Cont’d: “…for providing this.” Her blocking concern is that there hasn’t been time for people to read it, digest it, translate it, decide.

Cont’d: “I have concerns about a cult of non-violence; there’s lots of discussion b/w ppl about using the term, but we haven’t come…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…to an agreement about what that words means yet.” Jo suggests it be translated into several languages and we discuss it for…

Cont’d: “…a long period of time.” A: “This statement of course applies to police, so they recognize that when they repress people…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…it will eventually fail.” Next concern, Hydro… wants to know if he can make a “really really important announcement.” #NYCGA #OWS

We ran out of time on the proposal and declined to extend time. Proposal is tabled for tonight. We thank the Rabbi. #NYCGA #OWS

Hydro will mk his announcement now. “It’s a royal decree” from a King in the Carribean. “All native American people, or people…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “..being born in this land, like all the hispanic, black, minority people in the Americas,” should pass this story on… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “Direct action is truly the secret of how things are made into reality here on Earth.” #NYCGA #OWS

Hydro is reading too fast for me to transcribe, but it is a call to action for oppressed peoples. #NYCGA #OWS

Google found the statement Hydro’s reading: http://t.co/KZOLuJtg #NYCGA #OWS

OK, next, Dallas and Owen are here to propose a direct action for April 1st! “No fooling!” #NYCGA #OWS

Dallas: “April 1st, 2012, marks the 6-month anniversary of the march across the Brooklyn Bridge, marked by the arrest of 700 occupiers…”

Cont’d: “…on the Brooklyn-Bound roadway.” Dallas pauses reading. “Anyone remember that?” Hahah. Jyeahh. #NYCGA #OWS

Here’s the full text: http://t.co/0ymSqZu2 Owen notes that on their way back to Manhattan, those who made it to Brooklyn noticed… #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…even a few community affairs officers from the NYPD were spotted chanting along w/ us (w/ their heads down so the commanding..”

Cont’d: “…officer wouldn’t see.” They propose two marches converge and have an all-city GA in Brooklyn. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Why meet at Hanson Place tower?” A: “Because that’s where folks ended up after the Brooklyn Bridge march.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Will we take the roadway or the pedestrian bridge (across the BK Bridge?)” A: “Autonomous action; I recommend the pedestrian bridge.”

OK, that’s it for CQs. Opening stack for concerns… no concerns or friendly amendments. Now moving to consensus! #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs: “Any standasides?” None! “Any blocks?” NONE! “We have consensus!” Woohoo! Cheers. And now for the last proposal. #NYCGA #OWS

Sean McKeown is here w/ his proposal called “Exclusion Principle.” Here’s the text: http://t.co/FbArpBD6 #NYCGA #OWS

Sean: “The basic idea here is, we may have an encampment or something someday! When we had it, there were a couple of people we kicked out..

Cont’d: “..in a very non-transparent way.” Sean wants us to “create a transparent process and stick to it” if someone should need… #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…to be kicked out of our movement.” Again, the text: http://t.co/FbArpBD6 #NYCGA #OWS

Sean’s proposal enumerates “benefits” of participation in #OWS and asserts that when our agreements are violated, GA should be empowered…

Cont’d: …to revoke those benefits, w/ caveats that people should be obligated to make wrongs right if possible and that offenses must…

Cont’d: …be either egregious or repetitive. CQ: “Does bad blocking count?” A: “Up to the GA; I’m more concerned re: ppl hitting ea other.”

Next CQ asks what the process of excluding someone would look like. A: “It would have to be proposed to GA; follow normal proposal rules.”

CQ was the extent to which this applies to movement. A: “This only applies to #OWS GA,” he wouldn’t suggest anything else. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Can you clarify what agreements outside of Principles of Solidarity & Statement of Autonomy you’re referring to?” A: None. #NYCGA #OWS

Someone suggests that including blocking would create a “tyranny of the majority”, make unpopular blocks illegal. #NYCGA #OWS

Sean notes that that wasn’t his idea; it’s up to the GA. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “How will we distinguish false accusations?” A: “Hopefully we’ll have proof — hopefully a high standard. Hopefully we’re not doing…”

Cont’d: “…this very often.” “I don’t want a witch hunt; think there should be proof.” And that folks at issue must be present to speak. #OWS

OK, that’s it for CQs. Time for concerns. C: “I have a lot of concerns w/ this proposal; not going to talk about all of them right now…”

Cont’d: “…but some of us have been working on the transformative justice process you referenced — me and you included.” Concerned that he..

Cont’d: …is doing this outside of that group. “I understand you don’t see this in opposition to that, but I have a different understanding.”

Cont’d: “My concern is that ppl harmed are empowered themselves to decide what to do.” Suggests this would step on toes of that process.

Next C: “My biggest concern is I think the action of kicking someone out of the movement is enormous — that’s a very big thing. Can think..

Cont’d: …of hypothetical circumstances where it might be necessary, but it’s “very very big” and “putting this in front of a single GA…”

Contd: “…is empowering” not enough people to deal with it, making justice “not objective.” “Maybe working w/ transformative justice, I’d…”

Cont’d: “…love to find a way so the justice of this is bigger” than the 60 people at GA. #NYCGA #OWS

Sean: “I’d be happy to address this concern by suggesting that” any exclusion proposals require the same notice as the 1-week requirement…

Cont’d: …for dissolving spokescouncil. The concernee suggests it could be required that “three successive” GAs consense on exclusion. #NYCGA

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