Tweets for Wed, 28 Dec 2011

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RT @heratylaw: #SpokesCouncil tonight is 7PM @ West Park Pres Church: http://t.co/WrxBts4a (nr 1/2/a/b/c lines) #ows #nycsc

RT @heratylaw: #SpokesCouncil tonight is 7PM @ West Park Pres Church: http://t.co/WrxBts4a (nr 1/2/a/b/c lines) #ows #nycsc

RT @heratylaw: #SpokesCouncil tonight is 7PM @ West Park Pres Church: http://t.co/WrxBts4a (nr 1/2/a/b/c lines) #ows #nycsc

RT @heratylaw: #SpokesCouncil tonight is 7PM @ West Park Pres Church: http://t.co/WrxBts4a (nr 1/2/a/b/c lines) #ows #nycsc

Tonight’s #NYCSC is in a new location: West Park Presbyterian Church, 165 West 86th at Amsterdam. See you there at 7pm! http://t.co/UCfrionO

We just got to the church! We’ll see you guys soon! Pre-discussions include informal direct action plans for the spring.

Here we go! Spokes council begins momentarily #ows #nycsc

Danielle, repping the People of Color Caucus, starts by telling us about how the PoCC felt about last time. #nycsc #OWS

PoC: Our group was accused of being racist. We’re not. We just want people to pay attn to these issues which exist. #ows #nycsc

(PoC = people of color working group) #ows #nycsc

PoC: For example the Aryan sign brought to the Spokes council. People didnt feel safe and thats real. #ows #nycsc

PoC: And it’s not just people of color. It’s all of us to make sure we all feel safe in this space. #ows #nycsc

PoC: We dont want to marginalize any groups of people. When we see that, lets examine, discuss, & come to an understanding. #ows #nycsc

PoC: We have a living document addressing many issues u have brought to our attention. #ows #nycsc

PoC: On Wednesday, we want to present our final draft where u can propose your friendly amendments #ows #nycsc

PoC: This is about all of us and if we dont work together, we’ll fail. #ows #nycsc

Stack is now open. #ows #nycsc

Sage: I feel like our community is attracting a bunch of isolating ppl. I mean does any1 give a fk about any1 else here? #ows #nycsc

Sage: I feel like none of u have made any decisions that really matter to me. #ows #nycsc

Sage: Or are we all a bunch of negative, selfish Americans? #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Im sorry Sage. Is this a clarifying question? Sage: Oh sorry. Didnt know. I dont know what ur talking about #ows #nycsc

Stairs: ok we’re going to keep moving. #ows #nycsc

Stack: Is this a living document? #ows #nycsc

PoC: We would like it to be. We want this to be issue specific, not race or gender specific. #ows #nycsc

Stack: I feel what Sage brought up is a real issue. I think this can be solved by addressing race & gender specific issues #ows #nycsc

Stack: Lets take Jewish people. Their experience is different than the black mans. So when we march, how about a march for.. #ows #nycsc

Stack: … people belonging to a specific group (eg spanish, jewish, blacks) #ows #nycsc

PoC: We believe in part this could be good & we will be looking at such proposals at our meeting tomorrow. #ows #nycsc

(Side discussions taking place, stairs regains convo) #ows #nycsc

Stack: I want to recognize the difference bw ppl and that between ows & the outside world. Are we doing enough to make …#ows #nycsc

Stack: …a level playing field? #ows #nycsc

PoC: I think we all have tried to bring change. In terms of the outside world & ows, although we’re trying to create something..#ows #nycsc

PoC: ..different, we were educated & work within that external system. We need to look at ourselves & our internal dynamics… #ows #nycsc

PoC:.. to continue moving forward in the society we find ourselves in. #ows #nycsc

PoC: Also, i think creating an effort to reach those who are on the fringe, who are marginalized, is paramount. #ows #nycsc

(Now arguments are breaking out) #ows #nycsc

(Stairs reclaiming the conversation) #ows #nycsc

Stack: I realize there are different responses to PoC statements, but please dont interrupt her while she addresses ur concerns #ows #nycsc

Stairs: We have gone over the 10 minutes. But, i recommend u get PoC’s contact info #ows #nycsc

PoC: I came purely to give a statement and dont feel like i can address all concerns w/o the entire group. #ows #nycsc

PoC: My email address is dani.n.watson@gmail.com. please email me for add’l questions and concerns. #ows #nycsc

(Currently taking consensus on facilitation team. Uptwinkles for all.) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok, so lets begin with working group report backs. Please get together in your groups if u havent already. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Also, this is the 1st night we have the new 7 day rotation in effect. Please write down your spokes’ name #ows #nycsc

SacredSpaces: we’ve been working on a community agreement. Copies are on the way. We’re trying to collect as much.. #ows #nycsc

SacredSpaces: ..as possible so we can make a decision this coming week #ows #nycsc

DirectAction: 25 police officers, after our meeting, came up to us with zipties. Wintergardens might not be a safe space to meet #ows #nycsc

VolunteerServices: We dont get paid for our services. We might change our name. We’re working with techops… #ows #nycsc

VolunteerServices: to create a secure listserv of ppl from around the world to communicate with one another #ows #nycsc

StrongWomen: Park Slope housing has become a working group. Just an announcement. #ows #nycsc

Allies: We focus on issues of racism that disproportionately affect ppl of color #ows #nycsc

Allies: We hope we can continue playing our role within ows #ows #nycsc

Music: We working on a huge music occupy festival taking place in the summer #ows #nycsc

Music: So we need alot of planning help. Contact us at music@nycga.net. #ows #nycsc

ThinkTank: We’re preparing to do mobile think tanks at musuems & other places for outreach. See us on nycga.net #ows #nycsc

Facilitation: Tomorrow a huge decision on a $160,000 budget will be proposed. Please come to Zuccotti park at 7 pm #ows #nycsc

Accounting: Tomorrow we will propose a $100,000 budget for a bail reserve. #ows #nycsc

Accounting: Yesterday, we pulled in $7,000 in donations. We also spent around $7,000. #ows #nycsc

Accounting: We’ve brought receipts. Please come see us and we can show u how money is being spent. #ows #nycsc

Accounting: it’s no surprise that since actions have slowed down, so have the donations. #ows #nycsc

Stack: How much is left? Acct: in one account $99k. In another, $170,000. We’re also waiting more to put us at around $300k #ows #nycsc

Nan: not everyone has access to Internet or mobile devices. Can u bring hard copies? #ows #nycsc

Nan: Make it detailed. Who’s handling our money? What account is it in? This is needed. #ows #nycsc

Accounting: Well, come to the GA. Nan: I want to see this before the GA. #ows #nycsc

Planning: We might get our army tents back and will discuss law&order stuff next wed 5-7 pm #ows #nycsc

(Fyi – that prev convo ended bc of something tech ops related – was inaudible but seemed to quell argument) #ows #nycsc

Printing: We have a printing budget. WGs please email me from ur WG email address #ows #nycsc

Sean: We’ve had a lingering issue on media. One where media lost $350k. Thorn is here to address the issue #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. Lets begin creating an agenda item (stairs begin taking topics) #ows #nycsc

When the tweets stop flowing, please click over to @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, & @LibertySqGA4 for *moar* :-) #ows #nycsc

(Returning to announcements momentarily) #ows #nycsc

Housing: Our meeting place has changed to the Staten Island Ferry. We meet at 330 pm daily. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Agenda tonight includes Media, contact info, spring marches, and structured appreciation #ows #nycsc

PoI: Guys. Occupy Oakland is being raided. #ows #nycsc

RT @LibertySqGA: Housing: Our meeting place has changed to the Staten Island Ferry. We meet at 330 pm daily. #ows #nycsc

RT @LibertySqGA: Housing: Our meeting place has changed to the Staten Island Ferry. We meet at 330 pm daily. #ows #nycsc

RT @LibertySqGA: Housing: Our meeting place has changed to the Staten Island Ferry. We meet at 330 pm daily. #ows #nycsc

(Sighs all around) Stairs: Let us be more resolved tonight. #ows #nycsc

@heratylaw (@jopauca)

Stack: All we have are discussions. How about we get things DONE (applause) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. We can do a couple things. Table discussions, have a hybrid, and plan for next mtg. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: We realize items on the agenda will be intense and last an hr. We’re going to ask for consensus. #ows #nycsc

(Many arguments are breaking out. Some have left) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Can i get a temp check on how to make Spokes more operational? #ows #nycsc (more arguments break out)

(One member of facilitation is leaving.) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: We want a consensus right now on those agenda items. Can i get a temp check? #ows #nycsc

(Some uptwinkles, now many PoI’s) #ows #nycsc

Stairs: Ok. Im really sorry but i walked in here & didnt know what to expect (some one says but youre facilitation!) #ows #nycsc

Nan: I think the woman who just left was marginalized. Lets begin working together as a family & talking w/ 1 another #ows #nycsc

Someone says, “We need a new facilitator.” #ows #nycsc

Stack: Everyday we have open discussions to discuss these things. Please come to thinktank & air these ideas. #ows #nycsc

Stack: Why are u guys having meetings during the GA? #ows #nycsc

ThinkTank: Very good question but it’s when our members can make it. #ows #nycsc

Dan: i have an article that discusses creative action. #ows #nycsc

Dan: i think these ppl, the imaginary foundation, can help. #ows #nycsc

Stairs: If u want u get more info, contact dan after the meeting. #ows #nycsc

Stack: We keep talking about how to makes Spokes work. Lets start the process from where we left off. #ows #nycsc

Stack: Perhaps from the park. Lets set aside a day and just get it done (applause). #ows #nycsc

Stack: I run comfort & this process is chaotic. Lets keep it simple & focus on working groups. #ows #nycsc

Stack: We’ve devolved into a soapbox. Lets follow the process we had at one time. 18 WG were approved with 3 caucuses. #ows #nycsc

Stack: I propose we nominate the housing working group as an operational group. #ows #nycsc

Stack: I agree with Jeff. We should go back to process. Lets even pass more groups, but lets do it thru facilitation #ows #nycsc

Stack: if we’re here for a movement, let’s MOVE. let’s tighten up. #ows #nycsc

Stack: We do need to change. Look at the Spokes Council now. Almost everyone has left. #ows #nycsc

Lily: We havent gone over the agenda items or one proposal. So i think how spokes should function is critical. #ows #nycsc

(Arguments have broken out) #ows #nycsc

(Many criticize facilitator for doing poor job) #ows #nycsc

Stack: I appreciate everyones frustration & i think we should look at spokes for what it is. #ows #nycsc

Stack: our approach and interpersonal relationships are being affected by our frustration. #ows #nycsc

(Now additional side discussions have broken out) #ows #nycsc

(For those following, there were around 80-100 people here. That # has fallen to 30-40.) #ows #nycsc

It appears the Spokes Council is over. Facilitation is ending it, but everyone is already talking in their groups. #ows #nycsc

I want to thank everyone for staying here through this arduous process and many of you have addressed various, valid concerns…

One was asked by @mikecane regarding media, Thorn, & missing money. I followed up with him after meeting & the following are his words…

Thorn: “I dont know why everyone is mad at me. I’m just here to follow my dreams as a livestreamer. I’m doing nothing wrong….”

Thorn: “I came here prepared to address any concerns anyone had, but unfortunately, the meeting dissolved. I wish it hadnt.”

I then asked if he will return to try again to make another statement to which he responded…

Thorn: “I will be here Friday again to address any concerns and accusations.”

That said, if you’re in the area, come to the Spokes Council meeting to hear the specific concern. If you cant make it, follow us here.

Thank you again for all your follows, comments, and RTs. See you tomorrow when we cover the $100K bail proposal at the GA. Rest well.

RT @America2_0: @LibertySqGA Thank you for your work. 99% of us appreciate it.

@Conakat Don’t know, we don’t have anything to do w stuff that is posted at nycga.net.

@Adam_T4 Contact the NYCLU/ACLU/NLG. This twitter account has nothing to do w how money is spent. Or bring a proposal: http://t.co/KRNv7uET

RT @Adam_T4: @LibertySqGA I’d like to see some money spent filing suit against First Amendemenrt abridging local government actions. Whe …

RT @aaronbornstein: @Adam_T4 @LibertySqGA Some NLG lawyers are actively working on 1st amendment challenges. Call them for further deta …

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