Tweets for Wed, 04 Jan 2012

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RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA2 People misunderstood this temp check and stairs restated. Group decided they wanted to finish Nan’s prop …

RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA2 IMPORTANT.Should be reflected in minutes. GA wanted to finish Nan’s proposal, then she tabled. She knew …

RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA2 And now GA will have to hear the proposal again! Nan completely disrespected the GA tonight. This needs …

.@HelloFrances [I hear your frustration but Nan’s not the first one to do this; she has the right to change a proposal and bring it back.]

.@HelloFrances [Being able to do that is crucial b/c it lets ideas be improved. Also, proceeding to consensus in no way changes that…]

@HelloFrances (…wouldn’t hv changed her ability to bring it back, as satisfying as it might have been to temp check the *proposal* down).

Hi! Tonight’s #OWS Spokescouncil is starting now. Stairs wants to know if we want to do something “quick and fun” to get settled in. #nycsc

Stairs: “Twinkle if you have a dog.” “Cool.” “Twinkle if you..” “have a cat, love chocolate,” “prefer vanilla ice cream to chocolate”…

Cont’d: “dance,” “sing,” “sculpt,” “if you’re married,” “if you’ve got kids,” “if you have siblings,” “if you’re an only child.” (Laughs).

Cont’d: “…if you live in new york city,” “outside of new york city,” “if you stay here in this church.” Twinkles up in sequence. #nycsc #ows

“Anyone have any other suggestions?” “If you came from a different state to be here?” Someone suggests “if it’s your first Spokescouncil”..

4 or 5 newbies. “What month you got here?” Lots of Septembers, many Octobers, some Novembers, few Decembers. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “Twinkle if some of these things are really important to you: civil liberties,” “political reform,” “a sustainable environment,”..

Cont’d:”..alternative currencies,” “women’s’ issues,” “poverty,” immigration, animal rights, education reform.” #nycsc #ows

People make suggestions. “Racial equality,” “international equality,” others. Other stairs jumps in: “Who wants to start Spokescouncil?”#ows

Temp check on starting Spokes is a definite go! Stairs are recruiting timekeeper, stack taker, and vibes check. “Raise yr hand..” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…if you need an explanation what that is? A vibes checker is a person who is looking around the room to see if the room needs…”

Cont’d: “…something other than what’s happening right now in the room.” “They sense the room is becoming unreceptive to what’s happening..”

Cont’d: “…and might do an energy break, a joke, a game,” etc. That done, stairs says “there are a few things I’d like to consense…”

Cont’d: “..on before we start. are we ok w/ timing responses to 1 minute?” Lots of up. “Anyone want 2 minutes instead?” No. #nycsc #ows

We’ll do reportbacks and announcements first… “are we ok w/ stopping the meeting at 10:30?” Yes. “One thing we haven’t had a chance…”

Cont’d: “…to do much is to set an agenda for the next spokes meeting before we end this one, so we’ll try to do that…”

Cont’d: “…and also a session of constructive feedback for facilitators at the end of the meeting. Are we ok w/ that being the end of the…”

Cont’d: “…meeting?” They ask for 10 minutes; someone suggests we set a little more time because “we like to discuss the agenda.” #nycsc

Someone asks what proposals we have on tonight’s agenda. “We have 2 brand-new proposals; maybe more agenda items will come up…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “..when we go around and ask for additional items.” “How do you guys feel about setting the agenda right now?” #nycsc #ows

Temp checking agenda first… but one of the Stairs notes that one suggested hand signal meaning “facilitation, go get ’em,” (people are…

Cont’d: …arguing that’s not quite right) in the case of disrupters, which is like fist-bumping yourself. [Been told the proposal to use…

Cont’d: ..that hand signal was for it not to be a motion but just to hold fists together. But it turned into fist bumping, which…]

Cont’d: […turned some of the original proposers off to it.] Anyway, we’re going through the agenda. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “I believe we start usually w/ working group reportbacks and announcements. Are we OK w/ making that our first agenda item?” #nycsc

Robert says “we haven’t actually determined that Spokes are the only ones speaking here — are we at the point where only Spokes speak?”

Stairs: “We were going to get to that. You’re way ahead of me, Rob.” Agenda: “There are 2 proposals: one from the medics, and one from…”

Cont’d: “…sustainability group.” Some of the unfinished business from previous #NYCSC: Thorin wants to talk about misinformation about him..

“Thorin’s not in town tonight,” someone says. So scratch that. There’s another item about money disappearing from general fund; no one…

Cont’d: here to present that either. [AFAIK that’s based on a malicious and unsubstantiated rumor tht’s been spreading for like 2mnths]

There’s also an Outreach proposal, not sure what it is tho. “Are the medics here?” Someone says many people were stuck on the train and…

Cont’d: …are just arriving. [The 1,2,3 trains are totally crappy tonight, I was late too.] We’ll pause for folks now arriving to settle in.

Stairs asks how we feel about moving on w/ working group reportbacks and announcements while people settle in. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “I want to remind everyone we’re now in spokescouncil mode, and the person who is spoking for your working group is the…”

Cont’d: “…person who will speak for your group.” Asks if any WG hasn’t determined a spoke, looks like everyone has. #nycsc #ows

Stairs asks folks w/ reportbacks to hold up signs. Not a lot of takers right off the bat. I think folks are still settling in. #nycsc #ows

Music: “This Sat, 7:30pm, an #OWS benefit will be at Freddie’s Bar in Brooklyn, 627 5th Ave, Sunset Park. Free. Accept donations of cash…”

Cont’d: “…winter gear, and canned goods.” Sustainability: “We’ve now got online information via video of how to build yr own energy bikes…”

Cont’d: “…on Time’s Up’s website! So you can look it up and build yr own.” Occupiers WG, Buck: “We’re planning on getting very cheap…”

Cont’d: “…bikes and repairing them and giving them to occupiers.” Facilitation: “We’re putting together a subgroup to make a..” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…guide on consensus process,” so if you want to help, please do! Think Tank: “We had our first mobile think tank at staten island..

Cont’d: “..ferry terminal, and if you want us to have one wherever your action is, please let us know.” SIS: “We just want to let people…”

Cont’d: “…know that we’ve moved out of the UFT space,” have moved to Brooklyn and are working on a process for making items available.#nycsc

That’s it for reportbacks, and Kitchen just arrived w/ food. We’re taking a 10 minute break to eat and drink & make very brief merry.#nycsc

[Tonight is the first Spokescouncil since we activated it and determined membership on Monday! It already feels more comfortable.] #nycsc

OK, we’re coming back together. Some discussion of keeping language clean due to presence of children tonight and the Vancouver…

Cont’d: …petition first offered at last night’s GA. I’d love a URL for that. #nycsc #ows

We’re collecting additional agenda items — someone says they have an announcement… “is this a reportback or a discussion?” #nycsc #ows

OK, tonight’s first proposal is from Sustainability. “Hi everyone! In case you don’t know us personally, my name is Sarah; this is Winnie.”

The proposal is to fund participation in the Left Forum, at Pace University, March 16 to March 18, 2012. The theme is “Occupy the System:…

Cont’d; “…Confronting Global Capitalism.” Here’s the text of the proposal: #nycsc #ows

“The Left Forum is a non-profit organization; we’ve applied for a scholarship and if they don’t give us one, we may need to pay more…”

Cont’d: “…and we hope the GA will approve those funds.” [GA meets Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun. -Ed.] #nycsc #ows

Total cost Sustainability are requesting for this panel are $476. Stairs is now taking stack for clarifying questions. #nycsc #ows

Someone asks if we can check for consensus, but stairs insists that we need to go through the process. No CQs, tho. #nycsc #ows

Someone asks what the money breaks down to again, and they explain essentially what the panel is for, and who’s on it, as listed online.

“There’s a lot of different people involved.” “Access for 3 days is $55; we believe one day is $10, but we encourage everyone to…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…be there, because it’s basically a space where the kind of thinkers doing what we’re trying to do are all going to be in the…”

Cont’d: “…same room.” Content will be “of great interest, and of great utility to us.” “They want ppl from #OWS to participate, so if…”

Cont’d: “…you’re in a working group like facilitation, or direct action, we encourage you to come.” #nycsc #ows

Organization’s CQ: “We think it’s exciting that Left Forum is using #occupy in the title of the forum, but since they are, have they…”

Cont’d: “…considered donating space to us, since they’re using #occupy in the title of the forum? Have they considered that?” #nycsc #ows

A: “We don’t know – maybe. I guess the best way is, they may waive the fees / give us a scholarship. But we’re not…” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…sure about space.” POI: “They charge panelists on a sliding scale, even if there’s no scholarship.” A: “Great, if you have..”

Cont’d: “…more information, that’d be great.” A quick back and forth about details. Stairs notes that if they get the $, and don’t need it.. comes back anyway. “We just wanted to get the $ just in case. It’d be embarrassing for our panelists to show up that day and…”

Cont’d: “…not be able to get in.” If they can save the fees, they’ll be able to give the money back. Danielle, PoCC spoke: “Does #OWS…”

Cont’d: “..need to cover the transportation costs?” A: “We’re doing it as a courtesy, since we’re grateful that they’re willing to…”

Cont’d: “…stand with us. We want to make sure that since they’re contributing to what we’re trying to do, they don’t need to pay anything..”

Cont’d: “…to do so.” Next, Jason from Housing. “I heard a few interesting things, and.. if the name #OWS is in it, why aren’t they…”

Cont’d: “…willing to let #OWS come w/o the $55?” But also, “if you’re willing to go and can pay for it, why do you need $ from the fund?”

POI: “The word #occupy is in the public domain, I’m not even sure if we marked #occupywallstreet.” At this point, “#occupy is like the…”

Cont’d: “…word “walk””. The proposers also point out that they will pay for this if #OWS doesn’t, but they are doing it for and because of..

Cont’d: “…the occupation, and it’s a powerful space to bring our message to on our terms with the panel.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “But if you think we’re doing strong, solid, important work for the occupation, we shouldn’t have to pay ourselves to make it…”

Cont’d: “…happen.” And again, they may not need to pay anything, so it’s just to be safe. Jason: “So, to be clear, if it doesn’t come from..

Cont’d: “…the general fund, you’ll pay for it yourself?” A: “We believe very strongly that this is an important thing to do and we’ll…”

Cont’d: “…figure it out if we have to.” Someone asks if they’ll go as #OWS or as #OWS Sustainability WG – it’s the latter, but they… #nycsc

…hope that other working groups will make proposals for their own panels at the Left Forum. #nycsc #ows

OK, that’s it for clarifying ?s. Spokes will take a minute to confer, and come back & check in if they have anything for concerns stack.#ows

RT @deborahgomez3: @LibertySqGA International equality a political system that is not corrupt

RT @pinato: @LibertySqGA watching on livestream…Stair has a nice vibe going!

Stairs calling for working groups to get on stack w/ any concerns. But oh wait! The point of information raised earlier about them..

Cont’d: …not having to pay seems to be correct! So they’re withdrawing the proposal, and the conference will definitely happen. Awesome!

OK, next is Jose from Medical w/ his proposal. “We’re asking for funding for trainers that came down about 4 weeks ago for a series of..”

Cont’d: “..classes.” “Spent 3 days down here, taught a survival course in Liberty Square, later on that day trained trainers, and then…”

Cont’d: “…they did a 2-day wilderness first aid and survival course,” trained about 30 people including folks from #OccupyPhilly. #nycsc

“They gave us an incredible discount on this; some of the trainers donated their time, it cost 25% of what this normally would cost frm them

Cont’d: “We raised $275 [from somewhere] and $125 online, so what we’re looking for is $1355.” Proposal: #nycsc #ows

“This includes $750 for the two trainers for three days work, $350 for shared driving travel costs to and from their school in NH…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…and $650 for the rental of 56 Walker for the two day Wilderness First Aid training, for a total of $1750. The food was taken…”

Cont’d: “..the OWS kitchen and housing for the trainers was donated by an OWS supporter who put up the trainers in their apartment.” #nycsc

OK, they’d like to temp check right off the bat to see where they’re starting from. After 30 seconds for working groups to confer… #nycsc

…we do “a quick test of consensus” — there’s lots of up-sparkles, and a few hands in the middle. Opening stack for clarifying questions.

CQ: “What does the training consist of?” A: “Sure – you can check out SOLO’s website, but it was basic survival in a wilderness setting.”

Cont’d: “Wilderness is defined as 1 hour from help. Given sometimes police will block protests in, we’ll have times in “wilderness”…”

Cont’d: “…in downtown manhattan.” So it’s about how to assess patients, and deal w/ emergency first aid issues. Not to be confused w/ …

Cont’d: ..Street Medic training.CQ: “Are these medics going to be available to anyone that needs medics in #OWS?” #nycsc #ows

A: “We hv, in Charlotte’s place, 12-6pm M-F, a medical station, staffed w/ nurses and our medics. We also try to show up at every..” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…street action, and also try to be at Liberty Square” and places people sleep. “That’s why we’re here.” #nycsc #ows

Someone asks if the question is about trainers, or medics that have been trained. It’s about general availability of treatment, which…

Cont’d: apparently widespread. POI: “This has already occurred, and they’re asking for reimbursement.” #nycsc #ows

Facilitation’s CQ: “You all asked what we wanted to ask.” Next CQ: “I think this proposal was brought to the GA?” #nycsc #ows

A: Rsn for GA block was “why should we pay for survival training when there are homeless folks in our community that can do this training?”

The next two questions were about the same thing. Someone says it’s not worth it to pay for it “if it’s already done and over with.”#nycsc

Technically not a clarifying question. Now we are opening stack for Concerns, though. Jason’s concern: “First, if this is something that’s..

Cont’d: “..already been paid for, for our working group or any working group to come afterwards to ask to be reimbursed puts a pressure..”

Cont’d: “…on the room to try and reimburse. Second, we’ve had people sleeping at St Paul’s church down the street for the last 5 weeks…”

Cont’d: “…and we were denied medics because we didn’t do things according to the safety cluster.” Jose disagrees. “What you just said…”

Cont’d: “…is just flat-out not true. Jason, you yourself know better. I’ve spent many nights there with you myself.” #nycsc #ows

Jason says that the medics that came came because they heard there weren’t any. Jose says they count. #nycsc #ows

Jose wants to clarify. “At the beginning, what came in were a group of action-oriented, highly arrestable medics – street medics. They…”

Cont’d: “…held it down for a few weeks, until some highly-specialized people came and medical evolved. Doctors, nurses, herbalists..”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…that’s what’s been going on the first time. There haven’t been too many street medics since those first few. Lots of doctors…”

Cont’d: “…nurses, and acupuncturists have spent long hours at that church. That’s all medical. We never took away care. That never happens..

Cont’d: “..with medical. I’d like to hear your concerns if you feel differently, but you’ve seen them there.” #nycsc #ows

Jason gets up to speak, but sits when he sees a point of process he expected. “This is not the place to have a dialogue with this, we need..

Cont’d: “…a different structure to deal with this.” Jose hopes an ongoing mediation process can be that place. #nycsc #ows

Jason accepts that but rephrases his concern. “I’d hope that medics and safety cluster will equally provide services, openly, to…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…everybody that’s in #OWS.” Jose: “I’d like to take a moment to give a little more information, so we can be transparent.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “..felt comfortable practicing. But we have had medics there continually, and that will continue.” #nycsc #ows

Jose: “There were some ppl who chose not to go to that space because of fears of physical harm – tht wasn’t a space where some individuals..

POI: “It would be hard for every working group to provide services equally to everyone; we’re working to do so, but my PoI is it’s…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…impossible to do so right away.” Marisa from Facilitation provides a point of process: “This isn’t about the proposal anymore.”

Jeff from Housing agrees w/ Jason, and says that working groups that commit to working for #OWS should follow through, and that issues…

Cont’d: …should be dealt w/ via mediation or the wider community.” Stairs clarifies that’s already happening, and that… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: …the proposal is for these trainings. Jeff says if training is being received, and they’re not returning benefit to the community..

Cont’d: “..that’s a concern.” Jose says he’ll put the medics’ schedule up on But “street medics, basic first aid medics…”

Cont’d: “..doctors, nurses, and I ask that you trust me that we have stayed at that church giving care.” #nycsc #ows

Someone provides a PoI that they received medical care at that church. Kitchen’s concern: “In interacting w/ some of the ppl that…”

Cont’d: “…i’m pretty certain went to your training — the EMTs who were at Liberty in the first month — it was strange seeing ppl…”

Cont’d: “ a workshop on hypothermia, but they wouldn’t help me put plastic bags around people’s feet.” #nycsc #ows

Sage continues. “Some of the basic skills you learn being homeless, were kind of thrown aside — like, if you don’t know what an Epipen is..

Cont’d: “…you don’t know anything useful. And that class definition, again.. I think that goes a lot to why people blocked. I’m 100%…”

Cont’d: “…certain that there are a multitude of voices grateful for your team being at protests. So if we could compromise and refund…”

Cont’d: “…some, if not all of the $, that would be a good compromise.” Jose sympathizes w/ Sage’s concerns “about what the park was…”

Cont’d: “…like, early on.” Notes that that exact same maneuver was featured at this training. “For whatever reason, b/c they were from…”

Cont’d: “…Philly, or they have personal issues that made them not listen to certain people,” he doesn’t know. But he’s glad he paid…

Cont’d: …out of pocket so that “more people could get that training.” OK, tht’s it for concerns, now opening friendly amendment stack.#nycsc

Stairs: “Please talk to your groups for 30 seconds, and then raise your sign if you have a friendly amendment to the proposal.” #nycsc #ows

Housing FA: “I really would <3 that this $ is reimbursed, but really hope that, to the best of their ability, medics and safety cluster..”

Cont’d: “…would do their best to serve all people under the #OWS umbrella.” Jose: “As the spoke for medic, I’m happy to accept that…”

Cont’d: “..amendment,” can’t speak for safety cluster but will bring it back to the working grp. Cluster: “That’d be all right, but what..”

Cont’d: “…about all the other people who might come back and ask to be reimbursed? Before you do this, consider that.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs notes that’s not an amendment, reviews “we’re asking the proposer to amend the proposal to address a concern.” #nycsc #ows

Think tank were on stack, but they pass. Information says “in order for info to have access to training info, can you commit to continue..”

Cont’d: “…to work on a scheduling process, and put that on the website for medical, or show some way of being transparent…”

Cont’d: “…like, I know you’re going to charlotte’s place, but can you put other places on the site?” A: “ is our..

Cont’d: “…website, check it for info.” FA: “Can you and your groups have teach-ins to share this info from the training?” A: “Two people…”

Cont’d: “…are organizing Wednesday skill-shares, that’ll start soon.” 8 hour herbal training, and a 20 hour street medic training soon too.

Q: “Would that be using the info from these trainings?” A: “Yes, it’s all cumulative. We’d like to train you all so well that we don’t…”

Cont’d: “…need to do our jobs anymore. You’d all be medics, and that’d be great.” OK, that’s it for stack, so we’re going to rephrase..

“This is a request for funding for a training we had about a month ago w/ SOLO for CPR, training, and winter survival.” #nycsc #ows

“We gladly accept the amendment from Housing to continue to provide care to everyone in #OWS regardless of whatever else happens.” #nycsc

“And we’ll put it on our private scheduling page — at least some information about it on, and also info on..”

Cont’d: “…future trainings, find out what’s happening there.” OK, 30 seconds to confer. “Please raise your signs if you’re in agreement…”

Cont’d: “…with this proposal going forward.” Many signs. “Signs for any outstanding concerns?” There is one. She wants to make sure…

Cont’d: …they’re going to make sure the info from the training gets to everyone. Jose: “Yes, that is something I will fail at, but I will..”

Cont’d: “…do my best to do that.” With no more outstanding concerns, we prepare to ask for standasides and blocks. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “Are there any spokes who’d like to standaside from this proposal?” No. “Are there any spokes that wish to block this proposal?”

No blocks! Stairs: “So, we appear to have consensus on the proposal!” #nycsc #ows

Someone reports that #OWS protesters in Cano, Nigeria are being “shot at w/ live ammunition and tear gas.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs reflects. “There really are people out there dying, and we come together because we want to prevent that from every happening.”

Cont’d: “It’s a pretty serious announcement to make in this room. But we need to remember the stuff we face in America is light…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…compared to that.” We’re going to take a 2 minute break so people can process that and also cookies are being passed around.#nycsc

Stairs: “How do people feel about 1 minute of silence for people who are being shot in Nigeria?” OK. “Starting now.” #nycsc #OWS

<being silent….> #ows #nycsc #nigeria #realness

Stairs: “I think it’s important we do this kind of thing for each other, across the globe. And that we really remember we are across the…”

Cont’d: “…world and not just here in America. Let’s remember that…” #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “OK, so we’re going to come back together and hear this proposal from Outreach.” #nycsc #ows

Outreach, Diego: “It’s been a concern, a proposal worked on by people from Outreach, De-escalation, and some from Facilitation…”

cont’d: “Essentially what I’ve kind of been hearing is kind of this gap in procedure when certain individuals come to spokes..”

Cont’d: “We don’t have a procedure to remove those people, or those who abuse the process, to not allow them back in the building.” #nycsc

Cont’d; “So we’ve been talking to a lot of people to try to have a procedure for that. So essentially, it’s really simple; it’s a…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…three-phase procedure.” They’re trying to introduce the new sign, w/ two fists together, and “we’d like ppl to make this..”

Cont’d: “…sign, to indicate contention or conflict.” Step 2, facilitators would notice how many there were, and could stop temp-check how…

Cont’d: ..people feel about the issue. “And if the reading is right, they’d warn the individual, ‘there is a contention going on, and if..”

Cont’d: “…they do it again, there’s a possibility they wouldn’t be allowed at the next Spokescouncil.” Next, there’d be a temp check to..

Cont’d: …continue. “Next, if it happens again, the individual will be told they’re not allowed into this space for a week.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “It’s a week because if you’re a spoke, you’re not allowed to spoke for a week anyway.” Phase 3: the next meeting. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “Phase 3, working w/ de-escalation, there’d be people not allowed to come in. They can come back in a week.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “The idea is to set tone that there are consequences for your behavior; we want to get things done & we want ppl to understand tht.”

During the meeting where someone is not allowed in, the Council can discuss questions and concerns as to why. #nycsc #ows

Here’s page 1 of the Outreach “Nonsense Defense Procedure” proposal… #nycsc #ows

Aaaand here’s page 2 of the Outreach “Nonsense Defense Procedure” proposal… #nycsc #ows

Stairs now asking for clarifying questions, after giving working groups a chance to review. Big CQ stack for this one. #nycsc #ows

First, Safer Spaces’ CQ: “Was outreach aware, while making this proposal, of Safer Spaces’ current project of creating a Community…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…Agreement and Accountability process that would serve a similar function? & did you reach out to SS or the Safety cluster?”#nycsc

A: “I was aware that SS was working on something very big, but again, I felt like this wasn’t — that’s still necessary, but this if…”

Cont’d: “…someone behaves in a way that everyone agrees isn’t right, like, you shouldn’t threaten people,” this helps deal w/ it. But yes.

Next, WoW. “50% of the people, is that 50% of spokes or ppl in room? And Q 2, in Phase 3, when there’s a discussion about why someone..”

Cont’d: “ banned, is it possible to unban them or is it just a discussion about a standing decision from the week before?” #nycsc #ows

A: “The way Spokes works, the Spokes express themselves on behalf of their groups, so it’d still be appropriate for it to be 50% of Spokes.

Cont’d: “But, since someone is threatening the community, that could be changed by a friendly amendment, rather than having ppl ask..”

Cont’d: “..spokes to express they’re feeling unsafe.” So, he likes 50% of the room better. “Actually I think the convo [about banning]…”

Cont’d: “…would be more of an update, to explain why.” Notes caucus’ pwr to interrupt spokescouncil process and/or veto would apply. #nycsc

CQ: “Can that veto be used during phase 3, as well as phase 2?” A: “No, as of phase 2, it’s already happened.” #nycsc #ows

PoCC has a POI: “Caucuses have the ability to halt the proceedings of spokescouncil, but not necessarily veto power.” #nycsc #ows

Marisa clarifies. “If a proposal came forward, and say, PoC felt it was racist, they could halt the proceedings, but that doesn’t mean…”

Cont’d: “…it won’t come up again after being changed, or after future discussion, or other circumstances.” #nycsc #ows

CQ: “RE: 2nd page, first asterisk: does this mean that a veto can be exercised every other spokescouncil? So someone can disrupt Mon…”

Cont’d: “..Fri, Weds — is that what that means?” A: “Let’s say a person gets banned on Monday, but that gets vetoed by a caucus. The idea..

Cont’d: “…would be that if that happens again on Monday, then that caucus could not use their veto for that person on Wednesday; that…”

Cont’d: “…person would have to wait a week to return. And then Wednesday, they could disrupt again, and there could be a veto again…”

Cont’d: “…but again, this wasn’t made to be hard-core enforcement, it’s just to set the idea that there are consequences for behavior.”

“We make mistakes. It’s just a week. So you can use your veto Monday, but can’t use it Wednesday for same person.” #nycsc #ows

CQ: “But technically, if they came back Friday, they could veto again, right?” A: “Ahh… a loophole! Dammit!” Hahah. They’ll look for a…

Cont’d: …friendly amendment to address that. OK, Library’s on stack. “I have a question about re-ratified caucuses. I don’t really know…”

Cont’d: “…that means.” A: “The 3 ratified caucuses (sorry, 3, not “re” ) are ppl of color caucus, women occupying wall street, queer caucus.

De-escalation: “1, when we tabled similar things brought up 2 weeks ago, and safer spaces said they were going to work on a process for..”

Cont’d: “…going over our community agreements, and a procedure for dealing with ppl who disrupt, and to try to be as inclusive as possible..

Cont’d: “…now I’m certainly all for accountability, but what I’m asking is, is there anything in here that is geared toward engaging…”

Cont’d: “…the individual outside of here?” That’s the type of thing Safer Spaces was doing. “It’s really important to be inclusionary.”

Stairs: “Let me just restate that we are in clarifying questions mode. And we can have these very valid amendments during amendment mode..”

Comfort: “About 15 minutes ago, someone came up here screaming, yelling about a metrocard.” Notes that supports the need for this.

Stairs notes that’s not a clarifying question. Sustainability: “Have you thought through a way to, if someone does get kicked out for the..”

Cont’d: “..week, have you thought through contingencies for enforcing that in a way that won’t be really disruptive, b/c once they’ve..”

Cont’d: “…already been kicked out, they’re not likely to be willing to just walk out quietly.” Someone notes, “de-escalation has at times..”

Cont’d: “..had to martially enforce peace, so it’s a hard line to toe. There has to be peace for the meeting to happen. Whatever happens..”

Cont’d: “..whether it’s this one from Diego, or the safety cluster one, whatever happens – removing someone from one of these meetings is..”

Cont’d: “…serious business. It can’t be because of a disagreement, it must be code red– someone has their hands on someone, or someone..”

cont’d: “ hijacking the meeting, and the process is fucked.” “It’s got to be respect; hopefully everyone in this community loves and…”

Cont’d: “..knows each other, so it’s not being cops, it’s “come on, dude, you’re disrupting the meeting.”” Respect and love are main…

Cont’d: …enforcement techniques, but we will carry someone out. He’d rather not let someone in than carry them out, though. #nycsc #ows

Stairs notes time is running short, so this may need to be delayed to the next SC meeting. Sage: “I’m of 2 minds; I don’t like it because..”

Cont’d: “ seems like a silent point of process, but i do like it for the same reason.” Can make specific point w/o speaking. #nycsc #ows

Stairs prompts him to ask his question. “How much of this is up to facilitation to arbitrate?” Feels sometimes ppl don’t get chance to…

Cont’d: …explain themselves. “How much authority does facilitation have to… yeah.” Diego: “I think that’s a great question; I think a lot..”

Cont’d: “…of us have probably thought about it for a long time, so this is why facilitation would hv to check if their reading is correct.”

So it’s not really facilitation, but they’d have to check, “Am I right? Is someone really being abusive?” Some ppl think it’s gonna…

Cont’d: …be abused, bt “it’s really obvious whn someone abuses the meeting. We’ll hv a procedure to make sure they can’t come in next time.”

Library. “We just wanted to know really quickly if there was a process — are ppl going to be removed from the meetings, or is this..”

Cont’d: “..just for the next meeting?” A: “This proposal specifically is to not allow people in next time who were disruptive this time.”

Cont;d: “Although it was wrong the way exclusion happened last time, we thought it might be wise to have a procedure, since we know now..”

Cont’d: “..we can hold them at the door.” And now, there is something unspoken about removing people who are violent, this is for…

Cont’d: …people who are threatening or messing up process. Brandon: “No one wants to exclude anyone, it would need to be really bad.”

Marisa from Facilitation notes that there have been many drafts of an accountability process, and suggests we should have an ad-hoc…

Cont’d: …group to flesh out and combine these proposals. Anthony: “Since the other ones are in the works, we should come up w/ something..”

Cont’d: “…for right now. If they’re working on 20 proposals, 30 proposals, but someone’s disrupting right now, we have this. It might not..”

Cont’d: “ the greatest process, but it lets us deal with safety issues” quickly.” CQ: “RE: word “facilitator’s discretion”, and word…

Cont’d: “…’disruption’?” — want to define it. A: “You’re right; I don’t want to empower facilitators more than they should be, but they..”

Cont’d: “..are in a position to read the room, so the 50% is something that should be…” Questioner restates, since disruption is…

Cont’d: ..not defined, “how do we know this won’t be used” in a way it’s not intended to be? A: “If we just don’t agree w/ somebody…”

Cont’d: “…that’s fine, but if they’re abusing the process and not allowing us to continue, that’s where it comes in — that’s where…”

Cont’d: “..everybody is — ” But the questioner is still concerned that the language is overly broad. #nycsc #ows

OK, so we’re tabling this for next meeting since we’re out of time, and want to finish with agenda-setting for next time. #nycsc #ows

Stairs suggests that ppl submit questions for next Friday; someone suggests “we start exactly at this point at 7pm on Friday.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “One of the things we agreed to do is set our agenda for Friday’s Spokescouncil.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “We didn’t get to a discussion on behalf of the people of color caucus, or a discussion from alternate kitchen.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs asks if PoCC and Alternate Kitchen want to speak on Friday’s agenda, or convert to an announcement tonight. #nycsc #ows

PoCC will just make an announcement tonight, and Alternative Kitchen will make an announcement and also ask to be on agenda Friday.#nycsc

So, Friday, “we’ll continue w/ this proposal we just put a pause on, and we’ll have the following discussions..” #nycsc #ows

Jeff from Housing says Housing is concerned that resuming this proposal might not be feasible due to change in membership in group. #nycsc

Stairs suggests they can restate it; but ppl are insisting we probably need to start all over again. Marisa from Facilitation says…

Facilitation: “We should start the process over because it’s a different composition.” Stairs accepts that. #nycsc #ows

OK, PoCC announcement: “Last wednesday, I addressed everyone regarding events of previous friday, explained feelings and..”

Cont’d: “…some next steps. Stated we’d get together w/ other members of PoCC and draft some suggestions of what to do about it.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “We met Thursday; there were some members new to PoCC, some others; started working with Safer Spaces. It was to be done…”

Cont’d: “…today, and I just want to acknowledge that it’s not done today, it needs more work and thought.” #nycsc #ows

Next, Sage (Alternative Kitchen): “1 week ago today, I had a personal situation in the office w/ Accounting; it was very emotional…”#nycsc

Cont’d: “…it involved.. an inappropriate behavior… non-consensual physical contact, and just — I don’t even want to say it out loud.”#nycsc

Cont’d: “It led to me attacking somebody. Since that time I’ve been blocked from the office. The reason I’m making this announcement is…”

Cont’d: “…I feel lk I’ve asked for a sit-down w/ other ppl involved, & the way they’re framing it isn’t respectful of what happened to me.”

Sage says “sexual harassment” is within the range of what happened, despite “not having heard a lot of it in the 90s.” #nycsc #ows

Sage: “I feel someone is being protected, and an unsafe space is being maintained. I’ve talked to the Office affinity group, I’ve talked..”

Cont’d: “…to people in Accounting Working Group, so I’m just asking the group as a whole, I’d be happy to tell them what happened.”

Cont’d: “Basically, I want to know if the person who did what they did are willing to hold themselves accountable; if not, I want to know..”

Cont’d: “…if the working group will hold them accountable; if not, I want to know if the office is OK w/ that, and if they’re not, then..”

Cont’d: “…I need you guys to know that there’s a lack of accountability. And if you guys are OK w/ the Office affinity group not holding..”

Cont’d: “..working groups accountable, then I won’t be coming to you all before. I’m just asking for help, b/c at this pt it’s been a week.”

Stairs gently asking Sage to move on so we can wrap up. Stairs: “Any other agenda items ppl want to talk about in Friday’s meeting?” #nycsc

Doesn’t seem so. Hey, Michael Moore is here! Stairs asks if we want to give him permission to speak (he’s not a spoke). #nycsc #ows

“We’re getting a very mixed response,” so they’ll consult w/ facilitation — Marisa says “we agreed to do feedback now.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “Please keep it constructive and brief, and then we can stay if we’d like to hear @MMFlint speak.” #nycsc #ows

POI: “Mr. Moore might necessarily not want to speak.” Hahah. OK, “hands up if you have anything you’d like to help facilitation with.”#nycsc

Marisa, Spoke for Facilitation working group: “So, I just wanted to congratulate you, and all of us, and Facilitation in particular, for…”

Cont’d: “..having a *functional Spokescouncil*!” WOOHOO! “I hope this continues.” She wishes we started more promptly, but liked the intro..

Cont’d: ..exercise. Stairs: “I was meaning to ask you all, is it Ok if we have an intro exercise each time we come together?” #nycsc #ows

That’s it for feedback; Stairs: “Do we want to invite Michael Moore to speak?” I guess facilitation already did sort of. #nycsc #ows

(The dude to my right, who earlier said “He’s rich! Let’s eat him!” also sagely notes that “We let Nan speak!” re: @MMFlint) #nycsc #ows

Sorry, more feedback for facilitation. “So, I think that facilitation was nice this evening, and I liked how you took help from ppl, and…”

Cont’d: “…it really felt like group facilitation tonight; we’re learning as we go along and I really appreciate it.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “And I also liked that we were continuously giving input on decisions,” cites setting up the end at the beginning. “ was great.”

Next. “I think that the team did a really excellent job; really even-handed. I would say you could know the spokes process a little better..

Cont’d: “…there was a little bit too much crowd sourcing — great facilitation, too, but was disappointing to see facilitation get…”

Cont’d: “…razzled by a celebrity and not follow process.” Also, should start on time. Stairs lifts that up and asks if we can agree to…

Cont’d: …start right at 7. We broadly agree, although someone suggests 7:30, if food can arrive at 7. #nycsc #ows

Gary’s feedback: “One criticism; for first 20 minutes, we weren’t really discussing anything.” Feels that if we get something done early…

Cont’d: might help to set the pace. Robert: “It would have been nice if this evaluation period was opened to whole room instead of..”

Cont’d: “…just spokes.” Also notes many ppl didn’t like breaking meeting for food, and also feels we went off-neutral re: tweet from Nigeria

Hermes’ feedback: “I wonder if the Spoke itself can ask a group to write a code of conduct that would be agreed to by spokes themselves.”

Next feedback: “I felt this meeting was one of the better meetings; last meeting was calm and peaceful to. Also, there’s a documentarian…”

Cont’d: “…here, and I think downtwinkling documentarians is disrespectful” considering effort made to be here. #nycsc #ows

Jose says Facilitators were great, but asks facilitators be super, super conscious about “not interrupting people.” Also suggests that…

Cont’d: …ways to bring group’s attention back besides mic check, which brings a shoutier energy than some of the other ways. #nycsc #ows

Danielle from PoCC has more feedback: “The fact that you stopped to have a movement of silence when we got the news about Nigeria, I…”

Cont’d: “…thought was super-important.” Someone asks that ppl clean up their food/plates before we leave. #nycsc #ows

OK, time to maybe hear from @MMFlint. Facilitation suggests that we either consense to let someone not a spoke speak, or close…

Cont’d: …the meeting before we hear him. Stairs suggests we choose the latter option. “Let’s consider the meeting over.” Consensus! #nycsc

@MMFlint speaks. “Thank you for clarifying that. I did not ask to speak [Stairs did]. I came here just as a citizen.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “I didn’t ask to speak; just before the meeting ended, facilitators asked. I just want to be here; I’m one of millions.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “I come to these meetings, I come to GAs; I’m a participant, I don’t just show up — I don’t have a camera with me. I’m just..”

Cont’d: “…a citizen, just like you are. This man asked me to say a few words; I didn’t come here for that. I hope you know that.” Laughs

Cont’d: “Because I think the importance of this movement is it doesn’t have a spokesperson or a leader; they keep asking, I keep saying..”

Cont’d: “…there’s 10 million leaders, there’s 10 million spokesperson. Everyone here has a story to tell. Everyone watching on livestream..”

Cont’d: “…you’re a spokesperson for the #Occupy movement. I’ve been working on these issues of Wall Street, banks, corporate america for..”

Cont’d: “…2 decades, so this is not play time for me. This movement is the most important thing that’s happened in our lifetime. All the..”

Cont’d: “…various evils in this system: all the spokes come to a point to this one hub.” “I ‘ve been to 2 dozen occupys around the country..

Cont’d: “…from Portland to Vancouver to Nevada City California, 400 ppl there, the smallest towns. That’s the way it’s all over the country”

Cont’d: “This has spread like wildfire, and every poll shows that Americans agree with the principles of the #Occupy movement.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “That’s AMAZING for a movement that is 15 weeks old!” Chills. A few just yelped in joy. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “We know 15 weeks into civil rights movement, the majority of Americans didn’t support it.” Lists feminism, vietnam war…

Cont’d: …gay rights. “It’s taken years to move the mountain of the American public — a nation of good-hearted people, but they’re…”

Cont’d: “…slow-learners in the basic issues of humanity. But we’re doing well. In 2004, states passed hateful anti-gay laws. 3 months ago..”

Cont’d: “..for the first time ever, 54% of Americans said they support gay marriage. To go from ’04 to that in 6+ years- that’s remarkable.”

Cont’d: “…but in 15 WEEKS, you’ve got a majority of the American people want taxes raised, ppl responsible in jail, money back — go down..:

Cont’d: “…the list — they want their parents back! They’re tired of the racism and the homophobia– that’s the America we live in!” #nycsc

Cont’d: “And the hardest part of any movement is asking those who don’t agree to agree with the things you stand for. We don’t…”

Cont’d: “..have to do that! They’re already with us! I’ve had the privilege — not many ppl have been able to visit 2 dozen Occupy sites.”

Cont’d: “And I want you to know in NYC, b/c you were the start of this, the rest of the country is really looking in at these meetings…”

Cont’d: “ the GAs, at the Spokescouncils — people are desperate for your direction, our direction, ideas, action, action, action –“

Cont’d: ” — a little bit of talk — action. I mean, 400 people in Fayetteville Arkansas — in Occupy Fayetteville!! They are… “#nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…they came from — they don’t consider this the Vatican, but they are counting on us here to keep doing this in 2012 and to..”

cont’d: “…keep doing what’s already been done, they want the next step.” And many ppl ask about demands, and “I’m on the Demands WG..” LULZ!

Cont’d: “…but I’m quiet there, and I go to Visions and Goals, but let me say this, especially for the younger ppl here, the process is…”

Cont’d: “..every bit as important as the demands right now. And you have to know that the process is why it spread.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “If you had done it in a traditional way, with one leader, and a spokesperson, it wouldn’t have spread. But that ppl in [small…

Cont’d: …towns] can say they’re part of the movement, just by saying they’re in it- – that’s why it spread.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “This is in its infancy. There are growing pains. That’s OK — everybody stick with it. Don’t drop out! It’s OK! We’re a little…”

Cont’d: “…baby right now!” Someone says, “We just finished our first trimester.” LULZ. “Keep this process going, this egalitarian…”

Cont’d: “…consensus process. Just be kind to each other, b/c we all have suffered through so much in the past decades, especially..”

Cont’d: “..the last decade. The fact that we now live in a country where half of ppl are in poverty or a paycheck away from poverty..”

Cont’d: “…that’s a disgrace. And that’s why we’re a majority movement.” Says the ppl who started this movement are the banks, the oil cos..

Cont’d: “They put their boot on the necks of the American people a few months too long. If they’d been half as greedy, or 75% greedy, or..”

Cont’d: “..let up… but no. And we said enough, and we’re a part of this movement.” “Let’s move into 2012.” Credits bk bridge, union sq…

Cont’d: “The police and the mayor — and by the way, whoever the undercover NYPD person here is tonight– I just want to say welcome…”

Cont’d: “ are part of the 99%. My guess is they rotate you guys, because if you sat here too long, you’d start to go, “yeah!” #nycsc

Cont’d: “So, welcome NYPD undercover person. But the mayor doesn’t get it, wall street doesn’t get it; they’re so deaf to what’s…”

Cont’d: “…happening here. And they think it’s going to fall apart in the winter.” Belly laughs at that one. “If they don’t understand..”

Cont’d: “…human composition — ” gives many examples of struggle for greater good, including Flint sit-down strike. “The Winter — no!”

Cont’d: “What’s been done to this planet is far worse than any snow or sleet. This has to keep going w/ action in the winter, and we’re..”

Cont’d: “..always a few steps ahead of these guys anyway.” “Let’s try to become part of a whole. When we walk through that door, it’s..”

Cont’d: “…no longer just me, myself and I. We should never lose our individuality, we want to hear every voice. But we should be part of..”

Cont’d: “..a whole, and try to check the parts of us that are in need. These meetings aren’t really for that. That’s my personal opinion..”

Cont’d: “…please don’t take that to mean anyone shouldn’t say anything or whatever. But ppl across the country watching…”

Cont’D: “…want to know what we’re doing next! They want to feel part of the whole group.” #nycsc #ows

@MMFlint continues to mention the MLK Day vigil at Bloomberg’s house. “Honest to God, I didn’t come here to be heard.” #nycsc #ows

Finn: “My name is Finn Jaffe, and I’d like to welcome you to #OccupyWallStreet.” @MMFlint: “And I’d like to welcome you. I can’t tell you..”

Cont’d: “…how much you’ve made me feel so alive, and so good, and those 20 years were worth it.” Applause. That was nice. Welcome, sir.

[OK, that’s it for tonight’s #NYCSC! Much love; if you have questions, comments, concerns, please hit me up @diceytroop. Thx! -Ed.]

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