Tweets for Tue, 28 Feb 2012

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Hi fam! We’re here at 60 Wall, and our first proposal of GA is about to start. Follow here and @LibertySqGA2 and @LibertySqGA3. #NYCGA #OWS

Here’s the “Proposal to participate in a Nationwide United GA on March 17th”! http://t.co/MDZ2xYMN #NYCGA #OWS

Opening stack on clarifying questions. CQ: “We’d normally have a GA on that day; would we not have our GA that day?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “That’s up to you; there’s no set rules. It’s just to see if we can get a united GA going.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Could you clarify more how it’s actually going to take place? Will it be on webcams, or on twitter?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: Not sure, hasn’t been worked out yet. CQ: “So there’s no consensus now on how that works?” A: “Yeah, we didn’t want to make a..” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…website, as that might lead to power, or leadership, and we didn’t want that.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “How does the process work?” A: “Each GA would happen individually, and we’d see how each GA feels about an issue and take consensus..”

Cont’d: “…from there.” CQ: “But how would it be back and forth nationally?” A: It wouldn’t, it’d only be back-and-forth in each GA. #NYCGA

CQ: “Who started this idea?” A: “His name is Lucid Wilcox, but he’s just someone who had the idea, but I’ve heard others w/ similar ones.”

Cont’d: “It’s just to get the ball rolling, and get conversation about it.” #NyCGA #OWS

CQ: “Would this include American Sign Language?” A: “That’s up to this GA.” CQ: “Then I’m not quite sure how this is playing out.” #NYCGA

A: “It’s not just one GA in one location, it’s happening in each location.” CQ: “So, online?” A: “Yeah, people, like live tweeters, might..”

Cont’d: “…relay the information that comes from each GA.” CQ: “Which Occupy does this come from, and is this from 99 D group?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “He’s not associated with any Occupy; he’s kind of surfed Occupys.” CQ: “Would you consider this the first step in becoming a political..

Cont’d: “…movement?” A: “I don’t know. We don’t really have a nationwide scale for all of our GAs.” CQ: “So you’re looking for an umbrella?”

A: “No, just opening communication between each GA on nationwide and global issues.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “So you do a tally, and you mean to say the NY GA would have the same weight as the Peoria GA?” A: “No specifics have been decided..”

Cont’d: “…this is just to get the conversation going, and to see who would want to participate in the united GA.” #NYCGA #OWS

Justin’s POI: “We originally encountered this idea via Michael Pollak and the 99% Declaration.” How similar is it? #NYCGA #OWS

A: “It’s not associated with him or the 99% Declaration. We didn’t realize it was similar until way after.” No specifics, just to get…

Cont’d: “…ball rolling.” Justin’s not satisfied, “where did the idea come from?” A: “Free thought.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “I’m not sure what we’re consensing on. Who’s bringing proposals, who’s running the GA?” A: “No answers yet; we want to stay away…”

Cont’d: “…from having a structured leader.” Needs to be determined by GAs, will be planned jointly. Just want to know if #OWS is in. #NYCGA

CQ: “You’re just here as a reader of the proposal, right?” A: “Yes.” CQ: “Who is behind it and why isn’t he here?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “He lives in Alaska, but I have his contact info, his phone, email, y’all can go to town.” Just interested in building movement. #NYCGA

CQ: “So, as I understand it, you’re just trying to see if we’re interested in participating? But what I don’t understand is what you’re…”

Cont’d: “…hoping to gain from this.” Sounds to him like a “nationwide social hour for GAs,” since we won’t decide anything. #NYCGA #OWS

A: “No, we’re hoping that the same topics will be discussed at those GAs across the nation.” CQ: “OK, I’m all for opening up the convo..”

Cont’d: “…but how is this going to do that?” Some guy shows up to drunkenly claim he’s in the 1% and his dad owns a Fortune 500 company. #OK

Concerns now. First one is about why it’s not more concrete; answer is that they tried, but ppl are wary of planning w/ a central grp. #OWS

The concern becomes a FA, to have an opening body — have each city take responsibility for one GA in rotation. #NYCGA #OWS

She likes the suggestion. “We’ll have to figure out how it’s going to work.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next Concern / FA: “You’re calling it a General Assembly, but it seems like more of a Spokescouncil.” #NYCGA #OWS

She’s open to calling it “whatever you guys want,” but the structure is pretty clear already. #NYCGA #OWS

Next concern suggests that she hasn’t been able to explain how this directly benefits us, feels it might be a lot of trouble. #NYCGA #OWS

A: “I agree; that’s why we’re bringing it to local GAs first, to see if they can or want to participate.” She suggests it would be great…

Cont’d: …to set up national direct actions, etc. He’s not mollified. #NYCGA #OWS

Next concern is that this would be a decision-making body that doesn’t follow the consensus process, concerned w/ that. #NYCGA #OWS

Time ran out. We temp-checked extending the proposal, and folks were mixed-to-negative, so it’ll be tabled and hopefully brought back.#NYCGA

OK, we had a little disruption, but the GA weathered it pretty well. Stairs (facilitation) are going to do a little grounding exercise. #OWS

Stairs: “Just recenter on why you’re here right now, taking time out of your busy life. Take a deep breath… take one more.” #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs: “And now, somebody shout out why you’re here.” ‘Justice,’ ‘comedy’, ‘community responsibility,’ ‘the world,’ ‘life.’ #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs: “I already feel better. So, let’s get back to the business of why we’re here.” Haywood is next with his proposal. #NYCGA #OWS

Haywood: “Hey. So, before we do this, I’m also a little frazzled from that dude; some from the park may remember him.” “He clocked me…”

Cont’d: “…in the jaw one night doing security.” Wants to bring some levity. “So, if anyone knows an Occupy-related joke, please let’s do 1.”

.@HelloFrances: “How do you know you have a hippie staying at your house?” Haywood: “I don’t know!” Frances: “They’re still there!” #NYCGA

Someone: “What did the occupier say to the occupier?” Haywood: “What?” “Hey bro, got an extra cigarette?” #NYCGA #OWS

Haywood tells us about his time at “the revolution”; he left Accounting recently because he didn’t come to deal w/ receipts. #NYCGA #OWS

People in Accounting can’t “take positions on spending,” so now that he’s left Accounting, he can and wants to tonight. #NYCGA #OWS

Haywood: “This is about how we spend our money.” We’re running out, donations tapered off, “and frankly we’re spending a lot.” #NYCGA #OWS

“As it stands right now, we have about $160k on hand, & about $87k is directly for bail.” “We essentially have 3, 5 at the most, weeks..”

Cont’d: “…before we go broke. So I wanted to bring a discussion to the GA about how we go broke, since we are.” #NYCGA #OWS

Haywood says the proposal is short and sweet, hoping we can break out into groups, talk about it, and come back w/ something we all like.

“Occupy Wall St is not about money, it’s about action. So, let’s spend our money on action. This proposal, if it is passed, will mandate…”

Cont’d: “..that every $ we have left outside of our bail fund in NYCGA’s bank account will be spent on actions.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “What an action is, in terms of expenditures, will be determined by the General Assembly.” That’s the proposal. #NYCGA #OWS

Stairs suggests we give it 45 minutes, start with clarifying questions, and then break out into groups before moving on. #NYCGA #OWS

Lady’s first on CQ stack: “When you came up with this financial defrost, were you thinking about certain working groups?” #NYCGA #OWS

RT @TesselizaTC: #nycga LIVE on http://t.co/dFwLulFp @OccupyWallStNYC @libertysqga @owsnyclive @OWSFacilitation

Haywood: “I love defrost, by the way.” Lady clarifies she was thinking Kitchen, for example. Haywood says he has considered them. #NYCGA

Christine’s POI: “I wanted to do a little pt of info frm Accounting, b/c I understand that wasn’t exactly the specific #s. We’ve $149,264…”

Cont’d: “..in our account,” including bail fund. About $61k is non-bail, and we spent $19k last week. Gives 3-4 week estimate at current #s.

Yuri: “I like this, I really do, but FundHub has been trying to get set up to help individual projects raise $ instead of going to GA.”

Haywood: “Yeah! Autonomy. Horizontalism.” Sumumba asks the rate of fundraising. Christine: “Not much, about $1500 in past week.” #NYCGA

Haywood notes that peaks in donations coming in “track directly to our largest actions.” I.e. Brooklyn Bridge. “They don’t give us $…”

Cont’d: “…because they like us, they give it to us because we’re standing up for what’s right. They give it to us because we do action.”

CQ: “Of $19k, what non-action items have been made? What will be cut? Kitchen, Metrocards?” #NYCGA #OWS

Haywood: “I think this is crux of the proposal & what ppl are here to figure out; I didn’t want to define it coming in. What is an action?”

Cont’d: “I think actions are so much more than DA working group, though many of them come out of DA. I believe the pop-up occupation is…”

Cont’d: “…an action; I think teaching HS students about GAs and doing direct democracy is an action, I think the SOPA blackout was…”

Cont’d: “…an action, I think going to leaflet about our economic situation in the subway is an action.” That’s just him, but the idea is…

Cont’d: …everything we get $ for needs to be related to an action, or otherwise, “get it donated. We used to do this in the park; there’s..”

Cont’d: “…still a wealth of individuals willing to donate to us.” Closing CQ stack now. #NYCGA #OWS

Bonnie’s CQ: “I’m in Kitchen, and my ? is, do you consider the food tht we prepare for the WGs to be an asset for them to continue working?”

Cont’d: “…and do you consider feeding those at 60 Walls an action, for those meals we prepare and serve here?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “This proposal’s not about me; it’s about us. Bt my personal opinion; I think we should feed everybody.” But, “that’s not the ? at hand.”

Cont’d: “The ? at hand is: how do you want to go broke?” Bonnie thinks we need to adjust budget proportionately so Kitchen can continue.

Bonnie continues: “And I think that, we could do during breakout groups.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next CQ: “I understand your concerns; I share them. But what if, instead of saying, ‘how do we go broke?”, what if we ask everyone…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…here, how do we not go broke? How do we keep the money coming in?” A: “$ is really contentious around here; I think that’s..”

Cont’d: “…out of the purview of this conversation.” Nods at Yuri’s idea. “I think we need to address spending issues.” #NYCGA #OWS

Haywood notes he conveniently didn’t propose that new money coming in has to be spent on actions, just that the current amount. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Does this sunset, or is it a permanent policy? And are you suggesting $ on hand be sequestered from new funds?” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “You’re talking about the expenditure of $63k and how it would be.” We hope there’ll be more soon, but this is about this? #NYCGA

A: “That’s up to us, we’ll have to talk about that.” CQ: “So, when you started proposal, you said, #OWS is not about $.” But notes that…

Cont’d: …we act as if we need $ to function. “So can we all agree, fuck money?? Let’s get back to our grassroots organizing. God dammit.”

Trish’s CQ: “We need $. As a movement, we need $ to do what has to be done. You need to eat to get to an action, you need transportation..”

Cont’d: “…to get to an action. So now are you saying, when we hv an action we will what, put a msg in a pigeon & let it fly over the city?”

Trish suggests that we “let the GA decide” on each budget request. In other words, unfreeze the budget, and do what we were doing before.

Next CQ: “The $ came in w/ the big actions, right? Now there’s been actions since the park; has it come in or not?” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “So, the problem there is the actions may not bring in the money.” Are we putting all eggs in wrong basket? #NYCGA #OWS

Danielle from Accounting chimes in. “$ tended to spike after mass actions” w/ “upwards of a couple thou ppl.” BK bridge, #N17, etc. #NYCGA

Cont’d: “And I personally suspect that a lot of the early donations were when #OWS was the only #Occupy and ppl are now donating locally.”

Danielle notes she doesn’t have any data to support this, but it’s her personal suspicion. #NYCGA #OWS

.@gomelanie’s CQ is whether this would give working groups the ability to use #OWS banner w/o GA. Haywood notes we believe in WG autonomy.

Haywood: “This is a horizontal movement. You want to make a Ron Paul working group? Great!” Won’t get much support prolly, but sure. #NYCGA

Haywood notes that WGs cannot speak as #OWS without getting consensus from the #NYCGA. They can speak as their WGs, tho. #NYCGA #OWS

Next CQ, Felix: “I believe #OWS’ greatest action was #occupying. That’s what we stand for. A bunch of you have homes; some of us are still..

Cont’d: “…occupying.” Hard to get by, no food, have to dumpster, sometimes get sick. Then there’s a yoga class… “on an empty stomach?”#NYCGA

Cont’d: “Fine, you’ve got a job. But I don’t, and I have to go spange or paint faces in the park to make $.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “I’m going to tell you: if you don’t feed us, and get us in some park, any park, so ppl can see us, I’m not going to a march to…”

Cont’d: “…get the crap beaten out of me.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next CQ: “I know as an organization we tend to do passive fundraising.” What steps have we taken to make it more active? #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “Have you considered a coordinated money bomb?” Suggests a 4-day money bomb leading up to #MAY1. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “So that means the $ won’t peter out, and we can keep the money going.” Haywood likes the idea, “and ppl should do it. We should..”

Cont’d: “…be raising money. It’s insane that we don’t. But GA doesn’t want to, so someone has to make that proposal.” #NYCGA #OWS

Sage’s POP: “There’s 9 ppl on stack. When a stack gets really really long, that expresses that the grp has a lot of concerns and questions..

Sage suggests we shouldn’t work our way through stack, but instead do a breakout group or some other change of direction. #NYCGA #OWS

We’re continuing through stack. CQ: “Say an action gets approved for, like, a grand. What does that $ usually go towards?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Historically, it’s up to the proposer,” and they list line items for that specific actions. CQ: “But is food on it?” A: “Sometimes.”

CQ: “Why do you need $ for an action?” Suggests it doesn’t take money, just to get donated supplies. “$ just gets us arguing over $.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “I want us to move on from $.” Doesn’t find value in $. “It doesn’t do anything for me and I don’t know why this movement wants…”

Cont’d: “…to support anything that involves money.” Asks Haywood to explain why he wants $, which confuses Haywood. #NYCGA #OWS

Haywood: “I think $ is tearing our movement apart! And it’s not that no one ever needs $, but I think it’s really hurt our movement.”

Cont’d: “And all I want to do w/ this is have an adult conversation about how we spend what we have left.” Breakouts will be for whole grp.

CQ: “First of all, to piggyback on what ppl were saying about fundraising, I suggest a telethon.” Also, “a lot of working ppl…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “..they need jobs and homes and things like that, #OWS can help a lot w/ that in terms of supporting. And then, what about the…”

Cont’d: “..disabled? There’s a lot of ppl who are disabled and they are also part of #OWS.” “We need to support everybody.” #NYCGA #OWS

Nan’s CQ. Notes she and Haywood have “a love and hate relationship, but I want to thank you for having the balls to bring this proposal.”

Nan: “Nan is back, she had some problems she had to take care of, but she is back and bitchier than ever.” #NYCGA #OWS

Nan doesn’t like DA, she says. “What about kitchen? We have an occupation were ppl are being fed?” #NYCGA #OWS

Someone across the room screams “FUCK MONSANTO!” and the GA takes a moment to erupt in matching response. #NYCGA #OWS

Haywood answer’s Nan’s ?. “I think actions are about much more than DA. This money doesn’t go to DA.” Supports “anything so long…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…as you’re doing something for the movement.” “What’s not an action? Renting an office is not an action.” #NYCGA #OWS

Nan’s 2nd CQ: “We’ve a WG that raised 1.8 million.” Affinity grp, Trish corrects. “Why don’t they fund actions instead of taking it frm GA?”

Haywood notes she’s talking about Ben and Jerry’s group, #MRG, and that they’ll fund actions they like instead of giving $ to GA. #NYCGA

Haywood wants to make sure we can propose and fund our own actions, not just those that #MRG supports. #NYCGA #OWS

Kyle gets up, notes he worked in Kitchen for long time, loves Kitchen. But if we keep spending this $, “there won’t be any food anyway.”

Cont’d: “So why don’t you guys think of the big picture? If we spend it on these actions, maybe we’ll get more money.” #NYCGA #OWS

Kyle notes he’s “been broke, I’ve lived on the streets, and guess what? Now i’m here, with a home.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next CQ gets up, says “all of you guys are inspiring me.” His name is Jonathan McClellan, is a part of the infamous ground zero mosque.

He’s been doing grassroots fundraising for years. “I have a few questions I want to address. First: why do we need money? Now, this…”

Cont’d: “…actually started off as a movement, without money, unless i’m mistaken.” Ppl came b/c they were inspired by action.

Cont’d: “Even tho this mvmnt started w/o $, ppl do need to eat, they need places to stay.” Question is “how do we get more $?” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “So far, the greatest action that’s happened is occupying,” and the education that spread. He suggests we focus on “telling ppl..”

Cont’d: “…why you’re doing what you’re doing.” #NYCGA #OWS

Next CQ: “I think you raise a lot of valid points, Haywood, but let’s just say on a whim, hell freezes over tonight and this passes.”

Cont’d: “What happens when ppl need to be fed tomorrow? Occupiers who are going to go hungry tomorrow instead of spending # for 3 wks?”

He notes a lot of Occupiers are spanging for money, “which doesn’t always work all that well.” Otherwise, art, or whatever they can find.

He feels strongly that we need to help ppl eat. “What fundraising is going to be done between tonight and tomorrow to raise $ for food?”

A: “That’s a really, really, really good question. I put together the most basic proposal, so we could modify it together.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “But the whole point is that we redirect the conversation towards action, which is what we came here for.” #NYCGA #OWS

Guy gets up to try to make a statement. “Direct action is noncompliance.” Money not required, otherwise are legitimizing the state. #NYCGA

That’s it for CQ stack, so we’ll break out. GA is very large due to warm weather and day of action today; that’s tough dynamic indoors.

Stairs: “We’ve been told there’s a large grp at Zuccotti Park.” Asks that we break out in groups, then come back and see if we want to move.

Oh, nope. Stairs: “We’re going to the park NOW!” YAY, everyone cheers. #NYCGA #OWS

Rather than continue w/ the last proposal, GA Is concluding w/ announcements. #NYCGA #OWS

Direct Action reminds us to come to “Bryant Park tomorrow at 9am” for #F29 and our pop-up occupation! Crowd cheers! #NYCGA #OWS

And that’s it for tonight’s GA! Thanks fam. See you tomorrow for #F29! It’s gonna be great. #OWS #NYCGA

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