Tweets for Tue, 27 Dec 2011

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@MarkMayhew @occupynolaga [I'm not totally sure but I'm pretty sure it's because you're an individual who sends tweets like this to people.

@MarkMayhew None of our accounts have ever blocked @occupynolaga. Check yourself. #ows #stopitwiththeinsultinghashtagsalready #kthxbai

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@reactivi We don't know @markmayhew, we don't have anything to do w/ him, we didn't block him, & we don't know why he keeps sending us msgs.

@reactivi But he's probably a fine person.

RT @OccupyWallStNYC: We r a #PeoplesMic 4 twitter. Send updates from ur #occupy & we'll blast 'em out! #ows #EqualOpportunityTweeter

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@reactivi Do you understand what's going on with @MarkMayhew? Because we don't.

@MarkMayhew It seems like yr attacking us out of the blue, none of us know you & don't know why you are doing this. @reactivi @occupynolaga

@reactivi Agreed! #ows @markmayhew

RT @shawncarrie: @LibertySqGA @heratylaw @jopauca @DiceyTroop So does guest livetweeter @shawncarrie! #ows

RT @OWScom: TONIGHT: General Assembly 7PM at Liberty Plaza, bring umbrella!

RT @PoweredByCats: THE GA TONIGHT IS VERY IMPORTANT! IF YOU CAN PLEASE ATTEND #ows #sorry4caps RT @OWScom: TONIGHT: #NYCGA 7PM @ Liberty ...

Hey fam! We're in a very wet Liberty Square, readying ourselves for another #NYCGA. Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, @LibertySqGA4

And we're starting! @NegestiC and Nathan are co-facilitating tonight. We'll affectionately call them "Stairs" for short. #nycga #ows

Negesti: "the 1st order of business tonight is to check whether we want to move to 100 Williams Street" due to conditions. #nycga #ows

RT @jopauca: For those of you on the way, head over to 100 Williams.

Many Uptwinkles, no blocks on moving to 100 William St, so we're en route. It's at William and John. #OWS #NYCGA

RT @NYC_GA: #GeneralAssembly moving to the #pop at 100 William st. #wetdemocacy

Here we go! Working group reportbacks live from 100 William. #nycga #ows

Bill from Press is telling us about an #OccupyFashion event, where models will be in "Designer clothes but w/ bruises, gashes, and cuffs."

Next, Bobby from Accounting! "I just spent the last 2 hours talking to accountants, so we have more! It's good for me because it..." #nycga

Cont'd: "...keeps me out of prison." Next, housing. "B/c the Atrium will be closed for the next 2 days, if you need a metrocard, we'll..."

Cont'd: "...still be doing it 6-9, but in McDonald's. Don't worry, you'll still get yr Metrocards." #nycga #ows

Also, "on a personal note," he's leaving to go back to North Carolina. "It's been fun, but y'all can kiss my ass, I hate New York." #nycga

Jail support thanks us for showing up everytime some ish goes down. "Ppl have been asking for more training, can I get a temp check..."

Cont'd: "...on tentatively this Friday?" Contact him to get on the list, or peep nycga.net for info about training. #nycga #ows

First proposal: RE: Bail fund, from Accounting! "We have about $300,000 in the account - give or take where we stand right now." #nycga

Cont'd: "We're spending about $30,000 a week, plus what is allocated at GA. Taking in about $7,000 a week, a large net flow out." #nycga

Cont'd: "We're not sure how long that's going to last. We felt that there were a few items that should probably be set aside to make..."

Cont'd: "...sure we're safe going forward." Hence, they want to take a chunk of our standing money and set it aside for bail. #nycga

Cont'd: "We felt a third of what we currently have would be a nice round #, came out to about $100k. This relates to how bail has worked..."

Cont'd: "...in the past. Police have been trying to interfere w/ us by setting higher and higher bails." #nycga #ows

Cont'd: "The highest bail we've paid was about $40k, average was $600." Should be long-term, 6, 8 months. #nycga #ows

So, that's how they came up with $100k. "But we're not demanding it." Opening CQ stack. #nycga #ows

CQ: "Are we posting bail, or bail bonds?" A: "We've not done bail bonds in past b/c it's contentious, exploitative." #nycga #ows

A cont'd: "We considered it in one instance, but it was handled independently by an affinity group." So, hasn't happened. #nycga #ows

CQ: "You said not all the $ is for bail?" A: "We say this is a bail/legal defense fund. IANAL, but I don't want to hamstring us." #nycga

Cont'd: "When someone gets arrested, their lawyer calls us; it's being done pro bono right now but we don't want to take that for granted."

Cont'd: They want to make sure NYC knows that they can't just eff w/ us, we have that money set aside. #nycga #ows

POI: "A lot of defense/legal work has been done in the past, sometimes pro bono; been some restraining order work." #nycga #ows

CQ: "How much have we spent on bail?" A: "First month, about $200. They didn't think we were a real protest. Then they realized we were..."

RT @DaynaR: 60 Wall Street will be closed Wednesday, Thursday and Sunday. Tonight's @LibertySqGA is at 100 William St: http://t.co/BBS19 ...

RT @OWScom: GA has been moved to 100 William St. which is 2 blocks east of Broadway. #OWS

Cont'd: "...and they started upping it to $1k, $10k, etc." But they stopped using bail to mess w/ us because we handled it well. #nycga #ows

RE: the affinity group, we have like $100k of money in a bail fund from them that can be retracted. "Don't want to be dependent on 1 donor."

CQ: "Can we use this money later for other occupations' bail?" A: Idea it would be for #OWS, but GA can allocate it later however.#nycga

A notes that other bail funds in many other cities haven't needed to be nearly as large because bails have been much lower. #nycga #ows

OK, that's it for CQs, now Concerns stack. "I'm concerned that by setting up these bail funds, we're encouraging or saying we're in..."

Cont'd: "...solidarity w/ some of the charges that have been leveled." A: "We have a bail fund, but it's also our spending account." #nycga

A cont'd: "In the past, the GA has said that #OWS funds go to #OWS protesters who aren't being aggressive / violent." #nycga #ows

@misfist Bobby from accounting. It's just 3 tweets back in the timeline.

"We pay for non-violent action affiliated w/ #OWS." Legal notes that there's a difference between charges and what actually happens...#nycga

Cont'd: ...and police tend to ramp up charges. Concern: "Have funds in the past come back, and is this large because those will come back?"

A: "The $ will hopefully work its way back to our spending account again." But that money won't go into this. Also, he hopes we won't...

A cont'd: ...need the money, but this is to say "don't mess w/ us, we can take care of our own." #nycga #ows

Legal clarifies that big bails can take 9 months or a year to work back due to higher severity of charges usually associated w/ it. #nycga

Next concern is tht setting so much $ aside may encourage legal community to charge us unless we restrict "only to bail and court expenses."

A: "This is a long-term fund; we're not looking to spend it, we want to have it to say we have it. Also, the NLG will continue to work..."

Cont'd: "...pro bono." Also, he can't imagine spending normal hourly lawyer rates because that can rack up insane charges fast. #nycga

So, this is becoming a friendly amendment: "Let's restrict to bail and fees, but no hourly rates." Accepted, I think. #nycga #ows

Next C: "I love you guys, but this is really half-assed." Wants more #s on how much money we've spent on fees, court costs, bail. #nycga

Stairs notes we've run out of time; asking if we can extend time for 5 minutes. Sounds good. #nycga #ows

Bobby: "I'm not here to declare that this is what we need to do, but I think this is an important topic." #nycga #ows

Bobby says he was hoping the GA could make some of these details clear, but concern says "maybe question is whether we agree in principle.."

Cont'd: "...and come back later on after you guys can come back with details and some vetted legal options." #nycga #ows

Legal: "First of all, there's not really an appropriate way for us to come w/ numbers b/c we can't anticipate what the police will do..."

Cont'd: "...and what kind of bail will be set." Numbers paid previously also not entirely out of #OWS funds, so it's not representative...

Cont'd: "...of total bail that's been paid." No one is in jail! But "there's no way to project based on past amounts of bails set or paid."

POI: "All bail previously paid will come back to General fund, where it originally came from," not to this separate bail fund. #nycga #ows

Cont'd: "The purpose of this fund is to have it. This is a bail reserve." Concernee wants to add that language to proposal, then. #nycga

"Basically, I'd like it to be very clear that it is for bail, filing fees related to bail... I don't know what other legal fees are involved

So, proposers will clarify bail-only (Legal: no fees required), and add to proposal that an FAQ about bail will be released. #nycga #ows

Concern: "Coming to # of 100k / 300k w/o historical analysis is ad-hoc," not sure we've got numbers to justify size of fund. #nycga #ows

A: "He wants us to come forward w/ better numbers - $100k is a recommendations. And getting the data: we can't do it..." #nycga

Cont'd: "...I just gave you the average #s, but we're not the main bail-runner here by a longshot." Doesn't include any fees filed pro-bono.

Cont'd: "All we can really say is our bail average is $2,000." Also suggests that since we moved, we need to wait given size of #. #nycga

So, we're straw-polling whether we feel comfortable making this decision or put it off until Thursday. #nycga #ows

Temp check voted that we should continue. Nan, who's here, is saying that ppl don't know that we moved. #nycga #ows

Someone: "The financial regulations passed after crash were extremely watered-down," could easily have another crash. #nycga #ows

They feel putting the $ aside is prudent. Stairs notes that wasn't a POI. @jopauca representing ideas from elsewhere... #nycga #ows

See http://t.co/Jc1EGdrd RT @juliacreinhart: @LibertySqGA is bail being refunded if arrestee shows up for proceedings?

Josh: "From nycga.net, first comment: I suggest bail fund be set up w/ checks and balances," specific charge exclusions. #nycga #ows

Cont'd: "..and all ppl receiving bail funds are responsible for making sure they're returned to #OWS." #nycga #ows

A: "In first 2 weeks, we consensed on paying bail on non-violent offenses during actions w/ #OWS." So that's already all set up. #nycga #ows

FA language: "This money is only for bail and court-specified bail-related fees required in filing for bail." Legal reiterates...#nycga #ows

...Legal: "There are no court-specified bail-related fees." "There's a difference b/w criminal proceedings and civil proceedings. Civil..."

Cont'd: "....proceedings have filing fees." Criminal proceedings do not. So, the FA will specify only for bail, and they accept. #nycga #ows

Razor: "There's 50 ppl and it's occurring in rain, off-site." Says many ppl don't know where this is, & $100k shouldn't be passed right now.

Stairs: "Razor has raised very valid concerns, but POI: we don't have a quorum rule. There is no minimum number for passing." #nycga

Proposers remind us that this isn't about spending $; it's about setting $ aside. "If we're doing bad-ass actions in the..." #nycga #ows

Cont'd: "...spring, and you get arrested and put in jail, have fun, we're gonna send you a book? No! That's not what this mvment is about."

Finance also notes that looking at current expenditures, we may run out of $ within 6 to 8 weeks. "Instead of putting $ aside when we have..

Cont'd: "...150k left, let's do it now." We can always reallocate later. That's it for FAs; Proposers will restate proposal. #nycga #ows

I may have misheard first time. $600 is probably low #. RT @misfist: @LibertySqGA He previously sd average ws $600. So, is it $600 or $2000?

OK, Bobby will restate proposal. "This is a proposal to allocate $100k for a long-term bail fund for now til next September, in line w/..."

Cont'd: "...#OWS principles, and *only* for bail." That's it. OK, checking for blocks. Negesti reminds us about standasides. #nycga #ows

OK, 4 blocks, and 4 standasides. First block: "I would gladly remove my block if we know it's for non-violent offenses only." #nycga #ows

Cont'd: "I've been charged w/ things I didn't do. We need to be sure that people are doing homework on this." #nycga #ows

A: "That's why we decided to use language in reference to principles of solidarity. We know ppl get charged w/ shit they didn't do..."

A cont'd: "...and we don't want to discriminate. That's not cool." So, block lifted. #nycga #ows

Blocker #2 is saying that his block is on safety and ethical reasons that this location isn't well-enough publicized, but supports proposal.

Blocker #3: "I have a lot of ethical problems w/ Legal," especially regarding $25k bail [that we did not actually pay. -Ed.] #nycga #ows

Nan is also bothered by fact that ppl didn’t know where GA was moved to. “I’m for this proposal; ppl get arrested for bullshit. But needs..”

Cont’d: “…to be tabled until Thursday in Liberty Square when other ppl know about it.” #nycga #ows

Proposers want to hear last block before deciding. “I just want to say something; I agree w/ gentleman over there.” Need time to think…

Cont’d: “…and we need to explain the structure to everyone.” #nycga #ows

Someone notes they’ve counted about 100 people here. Someone new notes that folks in park are still pointing ppl here. #nycga #ows

Responding to blocks. “I 100% understand the legitimacy of the block, but remember, we’re not spending a dime.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We’re merely moving $100k into a separate account for bail.” GA can still hear proposals to pull $ from that fund. #nycga

Cont’d: “It’s to show we are dedicated to taking care of those arrested in an unjust system for protest.” Can’t think of better thing to do.

Legal notes that “in past 15 minutes, we’ve gone from 75 to 100,” so through some combination of mechanisms, ppl are finding GA. #nycga

POP: “My understanding is that now we move to modified consensus.” We down. @NegestiC asks for votes against. #nycga #ows

Andy Smith notes that ppl against and not blocking can not vote, like a standaside. Moving forward. #nycga #ows

Counting all votes against… 8. About 65 for. At 89%, just barely falls short. Proposal is tabled for now. #nycga #ows

Someone mic checks: “It’s everyone’s responsibility to not be divisive and to actively build community.” Not sure what in response to.#nycga

Next proposal. “I spent 10 years making a plan to build a grassroots movement around a comprehensive package of reforms…”

Cont’d; “…that will bring great benefits to middle class and poor, and let us take back Congress and the Presidency.” #nycga #ows

@what_a_fiasco it’s not so straightforward as that

OK, so this guy Cole is reading his proposal. I’ll post pics. Page 1: http://t.co/AmTWm5MX

Page 2 of this reform proposal, next on agenda. #nycga #ows http://t.co/mq01eqYN

@heratylaw yeah…. I’m sayin’.

Ok, CQs now. “This sounds like an announcement.” A: “I’m looking to get an endorsement from #OWS so I can do press for it w/ that.” #nycga

But proposer clarifies he’s not looking for us to agree tonight. “But ppl are looking for answers from 99%.” He’s not coming back to GA…

…he’s hoping we’ll take the ball and run w/ it. CQ: “Do you feel like this conflicts w/ existing #OWS principles about not involving…”

Cont’d: “…in electoral politics or issuing demands?” A: “I see that may be possible, but people are looking for answers… imagine if…”

Cont’d: “…we took back this country, our congress, our Presidency.” Stairs clarifies that since it’s been presented, now we’re moving on.

Next proposal is from Medical Clinic, but they’re not here, so we’ll bump it to bottom. Next is #J17 #OccupyCongress solidarity proposal.

…they’re not here yet. Next is @OccupyOakland. They’re here! Wooo. #nycga #ows

#OO: “@OccupyOakland helped coordinate the port shutdown on West Coast, we did a solidarity action here in support of that.” #nycga

Cont’d: “They used up most of their resources; at their GA dealing w/ funding, they voted to use 3/4 of funds to make it happen.”

Cont’d: “Other occupies also needed funding, so half of that money was for other occupations to flyer, all that stuff to get actions…”

Cont’d: “…of the ground, and the port shutdown was the biggest success we’ve had, biggest actions we’ve done.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “This proposal is to support them, so they can keep doing actions,” etc. Money would go to #OO Finance, and there’d be receipts…

Cont’d: “They requested money for the other cities as well, as they used resources as well.” $30k for reimbursing receipts on those actions.

Cont’d: “Anything not used can be sent back, or used for next longshoremen action” at end of January. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “#OO’s Finance WG’s been one of the most transparent working groups.” Feels it’s important not just to show solidarity in action…

Cont’d:… but also in resources. “We’ve received $ from all over the country, so it’s important that we support use of funds for things…”

Cont’d: “…that we say we support, and not just say we do, but also to fund it.” #OO FWG would be accountable for funds for all cities.

CQ: “How much per city?” A: “5 cities; #OO spent $10,000 on other cities.” #nycga #ows

Nan’s CQ: “I’m confused. I’m trying to understand, what exactly are you asking for $30k for? Can you summarize exactly what it’s for?”#nycga

A: “A lot of $ was already spent by #OO to make the port shutdown happen. This is reimbursing them for expenditures they’ve made.” #nycga

Cont’d: “I can give you a list: sound truck, portapotties, etc” — notes that if we’re alone as #OWS, we’ll fail. “We’ll be one group…”

Cont’d: “…that falls apart.” If we don’t support other #occupations, are we national and global, or local? Nan wants receipts. #nycga

A: “We’ll give you the receipts.” Nan’s FA: “Table this until you have the receipts.” #nycga #ows

CQ: “Last time we wired #OO, 2 things came out. It was very hard to get you money at all in a legal way b/c of how hellish things were.”

Cont’d: To do it, had to record GA requesting the funds, put it in minutes, and that folks who are responsible need to be stated in both.

A: “I’m not #OO; I’m #OWS. I’m not requesting funds; I’m proposing funds.” Bobby clarifies, “My understanding is that #OccupyThePorts…”

Cont’d: “…did their own funding and specifically stated they did not need money from #OO.” #nycga #ows

A: “I’ve been in touch w/ #OO; they have raised some funds, but many expenses needed were covered by #occupations aside from the…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…port shutdown group.” CQ: “You said you were proposing, not asking; then you said you were in contact and they’re asking…”

Cont’d: “…which is it?” A: “Good question; #OO requested funds before #D12 and they didn’t get them. This is separate, I’m proposing…”

Cont’d: “…that we actually show solidarity, and make sure these movements are a success, not just us.” #nycga #ows

POI: “2 days before action, #OO asked for $25,000 IIRC via phone at GA. Budget showed that #OO had consensed on giving $1000 to each…”

Cont’d: “…occupation. We proposed as an FA to match #OO’s contribution; it was declined and that’s why it was voted down.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We didn’t understand why we’d be covering so much of the costs of these autonomous occupations.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…so now I’m confused as to why an even higher amount is being proposed now.” #nycga #ows

A: “I’m bringing this up not to somehow re-bring up the initial proposal, but to indicate, we have resources we spend in different ways…”

Cont’d: “…here, and they’ve made decisions too. We indicated solidarity… I think most people agree or were in support of #PortShutdown.”

Cont’d: “Issue isn’t whether they need the $ — they do.” If this is about whether we’re in solidarity; that’s one thing. But if we are…

Cont’d: …then we should be in solidarity, give funds. “They have accountability; they’ll send receipts.” “It’s about making sure…”

Cont’d: “…they’re viable and making sure they can keep doing actions like we do. We’re not separate; we’re in it together.” #nycga

Bobby’s POI: “I love the sentiment of what you’re saying; I’ve been talking to them and #OccupyThePorts. If they want to ask for $…”

Cont’d: “…they know we’re available, they know we have a process to do so. If they want to, get in touch w/ us.” #nycga #ows

POI: “I went to #OO and it seems like they’ve only raised about $40k to date; we’ve raised much more, just for perspective.” #nycga

Someone else restates: “#OWS has received disproportionate amount of $, and I think #OO has been the most successful occupation.” #nycga

Cont’d: “If we can’t share that… that’s not good. If we want to stay in solidarity, we should be in solidarity.” #nycga #ows

POI: “Before I came, averaged how much we’re raising this past week. According to my calculation, it was about $1328/day, best week in..”

Cont’d: “…a long time. So while we had been raising a lot… if we keep spending at this rate, we won’t have any.” #nycga #ows

Hey another POI: “Hi, I’m Stefan, I’m here from #OO! I’m really excited; this is my first time here w/ you guys. I was involved in some of..

Cont’d: “…the discussion about the funding, and I know the first proposal was rejected, but we decided to request higher sum b/c…”

Cont’d: “…we had the receipts.” Notes shutdown cost port b/w 4 and 8 million dollars. “I’m not sure, I don’t know how, when ppl donate..”

Cont’d: “…$ to different occupys; this is #OWS where it started and maybe it gets money meant not just for here but for elsewhere.” #nycga

CQ: “How much $ do these occupations have in bank right now? And are they requesting, or are you proposing?” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “B/c the proposal on nycga.net says the money was being requested.” A: “I’m proposing. It’s been changed based on feedback.” #nycga

A cont’d: “To be completely clear, yes; they’ve made requests. But this is coming from me and other ppl here working, coordinating w/ #OO..”

Cont’d: “…who want to see the movement keep going. So, they need the $, but they’re not asking.” Says #OO has about $3k right now. #nycga

Cont’d: “As he pointed out, we’re the target for donations; ppl think of here. Need to keep thinking of others, not just ourselves.” #nycga

OK, CQ stack is done. Opening stack on joined Concerns/Friendly Amendments. #nycga #ows

Concern: “I agree w/ point that $ we get is meant for movement as a whole. My concern is that for the movement, it’s a little dangerous..”

Cont’d: “…for ppl to feel like $ is being handled w/o too much accountability,” notes Bobby mentioned process they’d set up, and “now…

Cont’d: “…we’re just bypassing.” It’s easier, but we should do it the right way. A: “They attempted to go thru process we put forward…”

Cont’d: “…and that was a mess. I’m not saying we bypass that, but this is to show solidarity, make sure they have funding they need.”

Cont’d: “And the proposal already includes receipts from the #OO FWG.” Will be completely clear accounability. #nycga #ows

Next Concern: “1, you haven’t presented us w/ a specific budget, just buckets. 2, per Bobby’s POI, if #OO or any #occupy needs funds, they..

Cont’d: “…should come to us thru process and make that request, not have ppl here do it for them. And 3, same concern from before…”

Cont’d: “…GA was moved, so I move that you table it until we can hear it in ZP w/ adequate budget.” #nycga #ows

A: “It was stated earlier that ppl were informed via blasts and via ppl in the park pointing ppl here.” #nycga #ows

A cont’d: “As far as bucket allotments, we’re concerned about accounting and will get receipts. Whatever is remaining will come back.”

Next C: “If this goes thru, as a FA, can we have someone at Accounting talk to #OO, say, “Do you need this $?” and give it only if a is yes.

A clarifies the FA, just to add a check b/w Accounting and #OO to make sure the $ is needed. “Yes, I accept.” #nycga #ows

Jason’s C: “You’re asking for so much $ w/o even a sheet of paper that has a general breakdown. I know it’s online, but that’s 24 hours…”

Cont’d: “…whenever I’ve seen someone request this much money they have info here so ppl can inform themselves.” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “That #OO wouldn’t match is a huge concern, too. And haven’t heard how proposal was created, whether even spoke to Accounting.”

A: “Accounting doesn’t make these decisions; #OO’s already put in upwards of 3/4s of their funds; action was one of most successful so far.”

POI: “I was in Oakland during #PortShutdown; can confirm that they spent most of their $ on supporting other cities. Also can confirm…”

Cont’d: “…they refused to match b/c they’re livid that we keep the OccupyWallSt.org funds to ourselves even w/ its movement focus.”

Jake’s POI: “#OWS doesn’t control OccupyWallSt.org; donate page includes #NYCGA general fund and #OO.” Someone: hasn’t always been true.

Justin from Accounting’s FA: “Bring receipts and let us decide what we want to reimburse.” Need more info and documentation. #nycga #ows

A: “I don’t accept b/c we think action was great, if we don’t approve of how $ was spent, we must not approve of the action.” #nycga #ows

A: “The action happened; it came out of the consensus of #OO GA; we were in support of that action. If we think they spent the $ poorly…”

A cont’d: “…do you really think everyone here will read every receipt?” Justin clarifies: “I don’t think you understand. Am I correct…”

Cont’d: “…that you’re proposing we send $, and they send receipts + change? I suggest we pay for receipts received.” #nycga #ows

A: “If we look over their shoulder on every decision they make – and I do think we need to receive receipts — they’ve spent the $ already.”

A cont’d: “Whether or not we reimburse it is a different issue than whether or not they spent it how we’d want them to.” #nycga #ows

Nathan’s concern: “It seems like there’s a process that’s been established b/w our Accounting and their FWG – it sounds like this…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…is circumventing that process, and when we asked you you said it was confusing to navigate.” Skeptical of what happened. #nycga

A wants someone from #OO to verify $ is needed. “I think all of the pts that have been made are quite valid; idea of needing receipts…”

Cont’d: “…and transparency is really important; sad there’s no concrete budget. Could have it for Thursday if it is tabled. But, it’s…”

Cont’d: “…very time-sensitive; we’ve agreed to go up to Washington to support Longshoremen against EGT’s union-busting actions…”

Cont’d: “…there’s a big shipment due out sometime in January (will know exact date ahead of time), and we’re hoping for 1000s of ppl to..”

Cont’d: “…go up and stop shipment from going out.” Not a coincidence they chose remote town to try non-union labor at grain terminal. #ows

Someone, out of process: “This is about #solidarity and giving them the effing $ b/c we have oodles of it.” Someone else: “No, we don’t.”

She was also not into waiting for receipts. POI: “We have ppl whose names are on bank accounts and their futures hinge on receipts.” #nycga

Stairs reminds us that POIs aren’t opinions. “They’re factual information regarding the proposal, or whatever it is, on hand.” #nycga #ows

Nan’s Concern/FA: “I’m in solidarity w/ Oakland. I am. But #OWS is having things going on right now. Jail, housing, a lot of things…”

Cont’d: “…the $ that we have, we have to take care of ppl here first.” But says she’ll block til gets “concrete evidence,” i.e. receipts.

Nan cont’d: “And also, btw, we’re not Bank of America.” And on that note, we move to consensus. Asking for blocks… 6 blocks. #nycga

Someone notes they don’t think it can be passed right now b/c of opposition, highlights FAs to table. Stairs clarifies still need to ask…

…for blocks! First block removed. Oh, but we need to restate proposal w/ FAs. Good lookin out, proposer. #nycga #ows

Proposal is to give $30,000 to #OO, to distribute $5k to each other city in #PortShutdown and cover their own outlays. Leftover will go…

Cont’d: …back to us. Also, will make sure they need it before we go forward. Asking for blocks again. #nycga #ows

OK, 5 blocks. Nan’s block. “If you don’t table until you bring receipts, I don’t remove my block. You want us to approve expenses we…”

Cont’d: “…haven’t seen. We need to know what the $ is for.” A: “The other week, we were both at AWG mtg, and you indicated…” #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “…that you wanted them to give you $ w/o receipts. So if they’re an ethical concern for you…” Stairs de-escalates. #nycga #ows

Proposer insists it pertains to the ethical nature of her block. Nan: “It was a question I asked Accounting. Just a question.” #nycga #ows

Next block: “There’s a process for everything w/ Accounting; if #OO doesn’t want to go thru the process, they shouldn’t get $.” #nycga #ows

A: “That’s a process for requests, this is a proposal made here.” Blocker is unsatisfied. #nycga #ows

Justin’s block: “The semantics b/w request and proposal are irrelevant; if you’re not willing to have receipts produced ahead of…” #nycga

Cont’d: “…disbursement, I can’t — if you would provide receipts first, I would gladly remove my block.” #nycga #ows

Next Blocker is for same reasons, “and plus because of the move tonight.” Proposer asks to address by amending to include that.. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: …”by Thursday, we get a list of items and receipts to present to AWG. They need receipts anyway; they’ll be provided to us Thurs.”

Blocker indicates that his block could only be set aside if they table and bring back, w/ receipts, for Thursday. #nycga #ows

Next Block is due to financial concerns. “We’ll run out; we have other needs, we need to address our own needs first. If NY runs out of $..”

Cont’d: “…then what happens?” Answer: “We spent $30k in less than a week and had the best action yet, on entire west coast.” #nycga

Cont’d: “…this is about keeping entire movement viable.” Also, re: running out of $: “If we start worrying about spending $, if we…”

Cont’d: “…don’t keep doing things, we won’t need the bail funds.” Must continue doing things. “We wnt to see more things of PortShutdown..

Cont’d: …caliber. “I hope you’ll reconsider yr block w/ respect to quantity and quality of funding.” We need to think about them. #nycga

Blocker: “Unfortunately, had you asked for 1 digit less, I would have supported you like mad. But at this moment, until we’ve put aside…”

“…money for NYC’s needs,” can’t give to #OO. Next block: “You didn’t come correctly. Until you know, ‘this is what they spent…’” #nycga

A: “#OO has brought receipts before; their finances WG is incredibly transparent. We denied funding before; this is for the Port action.”

Cont’d: “This shouldn’t be about receipts; that’s a resolvable accounting issue. This is about solidarity.” #nycga #ows

Stairs notes, “I didn’t see any blocks that dropped. Did any of the blockers drop their block?” Nope. #nycga #ows

Stairs: “The proposers have decided to table the proposal b/c it’s clear we won’t reach either full or modified consensus.” #nycga #ows

Jake announces that the #tweetboat Pizza delivered was to celebrate @OccupyWallStNYC’s 100,000th follower! Yay! #nycga #ows

And the other proposals are tabled b/c the proposers are not present. Now we’re moving to announcements, heading to end of GA. #nycga #ows

Alex: “It’s important that we remember that this is a movement, that we need to work together and get on track. A lot of GAs, we’re…”

Cont’d: “…talking about $. A lot of working groups have tensions; what concerns me is the OccupyWallSt.org page. We have a lot of…”

Cont’d: “…these random videos, but we need to educate ppl about NDAA, and SOPA.” Has been telling ppl about it over holidays. #nycga #ows

Cont’d: “We’re just talking about funds. We need to be working together to create change in the world, focus on main points of actions…”

Cont’d: “…that need to be done. We wouldn’t have this money w/o people’s donations every day. We’re sitting at 60 Wall, eating food..”

Cont’d: “…drinking coffee; ppl are coming around looking for Info, having to mic check at 60 Wall.” Wants a better information structure.

Cont’d: “Everyone has a voice, even tho not everyone wants to come and tell you how to do things. We are a movement. A lot of these…”

Cont’d: “…issues aren’t just happening in NYC; they’re around the country and the world. Ppl are bombing each other.” #nycga #ows

Next: “It’s very important what my brother was saying right now; we’re focused on money every day, replicating same bodies we’re…”

Cont’d: “…fighting against. I think — and this is just my personal opinion — we have this false sense of entitlement. Someone was…”

Cont’d: “…talking about us, us us — us is not here, it’s around the world. Oakland has straight-up way more balls than we do.” #nycga

That’s contentious. “They have no $, and they’re still activists. We have a few hundred thousand and can’t get our shit straight.” #nycga

Cont’d: “What we need to do is not HAVE any $, and see if we can still do the same shit.” APPLAUSE. #nycga #ows

“I’m in Minutes, and I see what happens at GA every day. I’m part of @OccupyTheYouth; I teach direct democracy to HS youth. I don’t…”

Cont’d: “…ask for money for pizza parties or books.” “It’s unnecessary; we need to pump the brakes and figure out how we’re doing.” #nycga

Next on stack. “I’m Fury; I’m from @OccupyLA; I was born and raised in LES. It’s an honor to see you here bringing the soul back to NYC.”

Stairs notes that ppl should be giving factual announcements in Announcements, and then we have Soapbox. #nycga #ows

Anthony: “In Egypt, ppl are being shot in the eyes. We’re not being shot yet. Fuck our money, man. We’re a movement, we’re all brothers…”

Cont’d: “…and sisters [and people of many other gender identities -Ed.] and we should act like a family instead of bickering over money.”

Next announcement: “Alternative Currency working group is trying to have a fundraiser Sunday selling artwork, so if A&C has ppl who want…”

Cont’d: “..to sell artwork, that’s on Sunday.” Notes that when we make decisions & lots of ppl aren’t around, they get confused. #nycga #ows

Sparrow’s Announcement: “OccupyTheatre is going to have its first open meeting! on Thursday! At 3pm! Charlotte’s Place is closed, so we…”

Cont’d: Well, they were gonna use 60 Wall, but someone POId that it’ll also be closed Weds, Thurs, Sunday. “We’re gonna meet at the Park.”

Sparrow restates: “On Thursday, at 3pm, in Zuccotti Park, OccupyTheatre will be having an open meeting. We also need ppl who know of…”

Cont’d: “…locations where we can hold events and fundraisers.” #nycga #ows

Also, “my phone was stolen for the third time. If anybody in the community has a working cellphone that they’d like to donate for me to…”

Cont’d: “….use, I’d really appreciate that.” Stairs: “Mic check! This GA’s completed its agenda. Now closing, having Soapbox here!” #nycga

@jopauca @what_a_fiasco …while you count standasides, the only real numbers that matter are: # against and # of ppl present.

@jopauca @what_a_fiasco so, we should never be counting the number of people for a proposal. It’s just about whether >=10% oppose.

@jopauca yes, there was a dude who had driven tents from NC for part of #n17 and when the van was impounded he was arrested, found w/ gun.

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