Tweets for Sun, 18 Dec 2011

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RT @OWScom: OWS IMPORTANT UPDATE: 60 Wall Street is CLOSED today.

RT @OccupyWallStNYC: At 1:30pm, #ImmigrantsOccupy-March Agnst Deportation/Detention & Wage Theft http://t.co/Y6E2DnZU @ImmigrantsOWS

RT @OWScom: OWS INFO ALERT: Arraignments today for those arrested on Saturday begin at 1:00PM and NOT at 9:00 AM as had previously been …

@thats_bananasss OWScom says that 60 Wall is closed today @occupywallstnyc @occupywallst @owslibrary @joshharkinson

The #OccupyWallStreet Unconference at Pace today! Schedule: http://t.co/k8fWYrJI #ows #d18

RT @heratylaw: FREE! Today RT @LibertySqGA: The #OccupyWallStreet Unconference at Pace today! Schedule: http://t.co/AIWI0wjA #ows #d18

@OccupyNolaGA Hello! #solidarity #ows

Hey fam! #OWS General Assembly will start in about 5 minutes. I (@diceytroop) will hold down the livetweets til @heratylaw (<3) arrives.

OK, here we go! Liberty Square General Assembly, starting now. Follow here and @LibertySGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4. #nycga #ows

Stairs (facilitators) are currently reviewing hand signals. A quick review: http://t.co/VHmHwQl9 #nycga #OWS

Stairs points out that if you issue a point of process or other hand signal aggressively, it can still be an interruption, so be calm pls.

Stairs reviews process for proposals. “We hear the proposal, then open a stack for clarifying questions, in case it wasn’t clear enough.”

Cont’d: “Once everyone’s clear on the proposal, we’ll open stack for Concerns. And then out of concerns arise friendly amendments…”

Cont’d: “…which would address your concerns and make you amenable to the proposal.” Then, we test for consensus… #nycga #ows

Cont’d: ..at which point, “you can issue a block. A block is very serious; it’s a moral, ethical or safety concern for the movement.”#nycga

If there are unresolved blocks, proposer can move to a 9/10ths vote. “We don’t like to vote, b/c we want to be in consensus with everyone.”

OK, @Diceytroop bounced. Stairs is still going over preliminary stuff. #nycga #ows

@MarkMayhew Please don’t be so rude to @rosinarubylips. Thanks! @occupynolaga

OccupyYouth 540 President Street, realworks team filmmaking 430pm. December 22nd thursday #nycga #ows

Housing: Update: new proposal for metrocards for this week, it passed #GA previously but they’re waiting to distro cards… #nycga #ows

… once the funds are released from Accounting. There was a delay because of #D17. You need a slip from the point person of your WG #nycga

CQ: SWRWG is putting together a lecture on your constitutional rights, about getting arrested. We’re looking for space… (this isn’t a CQ)

Structure: If yr intersted in participating, please contact me, looking at structures of #GA and #SC. #nycga #ows

he didn’t give any contact info. #nycga #ows

Facilitation: mtgs Tue-Thu-Sat at 4pm at 60 Wall. #nycga #ows

They are also at 60 Wall everyday at 5pm to take incoming proposals. #nycga #ows

@PoweredByCats Dunno

3 agenda items tonight. 1: Movement Building: needs 5 minutes for this. #nycga #ows

The Zapatistas & University of the Earth in Chiapas are convening a conf at end of month… #nycga #ows

… with activists and intellectuals from around the world. #nycga #owsf

They invited #OWS to participate to present its varying views & build solidarity. #nycga #ows

Proposal: They have authored a message of solidarity and they want the #GA to approve it. You can read it at http://t.co/KRNv7uET #nycga

Also notes that if there is additional commentary other than the statement, it will not be “official” #nycga #ows

Also, tonight’s proposals are at http://t.co/KRNv7uET #nycga #ows

Concern: You should have printed the statement for all of us. Why didn’t you do that? #nycga #ows

A: this proposal, including the message, was posted on the website since Friday. #nycga #ows

CQ: When is the conf? A: Dec 30 – Jan 2nd. #nycga #ows

C: In light of #NDAA, what is the guvmnts opinion of the Zapatistas? A: We don’t know (and who cares?) #nycga #ows

(Someone is noting that the London #Occupy has been labeled a terrorist organization. ) #nycga #ows

(by the way, that wasn’t an emoticon at the end, my fingers are totes cold) #nycga #ows

C: The Dept of State designates certain groups as terrorists. Do they? #nycga #ows

PoI: The Zapatistas are not labeled as terrorists by the US #nycga #ows

Nellie from #OccupyHarlem. We are an ally of Justice in the Barrio. #nycga #ows

I fully support this statement, the CQ I have is: whether the US considers the Zs a terrorist organization (We just answered that …

… and thank you.) #nycga #ows

Stairs notes that they value your opinions but we’re at Clarifying Questions right now. #nycga #ows

Nathan: you mentioned that we might have time to unofficially speak on our behalf… #nycga #ows

A: Not of #OWS behalf, but we could share our individual experiences working with #OWS, but not speak on its behalf. #nycga #ows

There is a question of process… #nycga #ows

CQ: I think someone just asked where is was held. A: Chiapas. #nycga #ows

Opening stack for concerns. 1: I do not want to give approval to something you just read to us. v

… I’m afraid that you might edited it without us know. #nycga #ows

When ppl bring a proposal, we like to see it in writing. #nycga #ows

… She wants them to table it until they bring proof of what it was says. Stairs: this was actually a Friendly Amendment. #nycga #ows

Proposer: We’re not accepting that FA. #nycga #ows

(And the FA person just ran screaming…) #nycga #ows

C: (it wasn’t really a concern, maybe its a FA instead) #nycga #ows

Stairs: is there anyone w a Friendly Amendment? Yes: We do not marginialize the 99% or the 1%, we call ourselves the 100% #nycga #ows

Amendment was rejected b/c the statement was drafted by the Movement Building WG #nycga #ows

Another FA: Add exploitation of labor to the list of things that the corporations do. #nycga #ows

PoP: Wld like to remind you that if you want to write a proposal and make statement, go to a working group. #nycga #ows

… Ij’ve seen this happen before, and it is very difficult to re-write things in #GA. FA rejected. #nycga #ows

30 seconds to talk abmongst yourselves… #nycga #ows

(PS sorry for my typos!) #nycga #ows

(the person who ran screaming before is a Yelly person, she is now threatening the proposer if he doesn’t table the prop) #nycga #ows

@MarkMayhew Don’t cc us on your rude comments, then. Thank you. @rosinarubylips

Proposer has elected to not table the proposal. #nycga #ows

Temp check on moving to consensus looks good. Yelly person blocks. #nycga #ows

One block, w’re moving to modified consensus. (Note, this particular person seems to block everything in #SC and #GA) #nycga #ows

Someone notes that the block person should leave the movement if the proposal is passed (b/c a block is that serious) #nycga #ows

((people twinkle the concept of her leaving as a result of a block) #nycga #ows

The blocker’s block is not based on an ethical, moral, or safety issue – and someone just noted that!) #nycga #ows

Mic check! OK, let’s move forward with the process by allowing the Proposer to respond to the block. #nycga #ows

Proposer: the person doing the video, at no cost to us, needs to do it tonight. #nycga #ows

PoI: Prop needs to be voted on tonight. Not allow ppl who block every proposal every night to deter us. #nycga #ows

We’re moving to modified consensus. #nycga #ows

(discussion of method of counting for the purpose of modified consensus) #nycga #ows

(@diceytroop is schooling the crowd on stand-asides in modified consensus). #nycga #ows

@justinstoned Historically it has been Yelly, but roll whatever way you like! #nycga #ows

By a vote of 58 to 4, we have consensus! Statement passes. #nycga #ows

Announcement: Food being served at Trinity Church right now. #nycga #ows

(they’re recording the statement right now) #nycga #ows

@justinstoned Fuck yeah.

@justinstoned When?

Another proposal! Demands Working Group. want to adopt the following demands… #nycga #ows

They are demanding a jobs program to put 25million ppl to work. #nycga #ows

Program to be funded by taxing corporations and high-income ppl. #nycga #ows

@justinstoned I know when it started, and it was Yelly. But roll your own way. #nycga #ows

(also, proposal is at http://t.co/KRNv7uET) #nycga #ows

He’s reciting the working groups that support this. #nycga #ows

OWSenespanol: our WG endorsed this 3 weeks ago b/c the ppl need to be bailed out right now. #nycga #ows

Our govmnt is wreaking havoc right now (she discusses wars and the banking bailouts…) #nycga #ows

#OWS should adopt this demand as one of money to meet the needs of working ppl today. #nycga #ows

Proposer says he has many ppl to do presentations for this demand. But Stairs thankfully says that the proposal has been presented… #nycga

… and that we shld move to clarifying questions. #nycga #ows

Stairs: Since teh consensus process has been used to workshop this demand, let’s move the approval process forward. #nycga #ows

Clarifying questions? Q: Our WG (out of work WG) should… it’s not a clarifying question. #nycga #ows

CQ: This says its a proposal and not an official demand. A: Proposal until it is adopted by the #GA. #nycga #ows

(they are repeating the WGs who are in support of the demand) #nycga #ows

Most of the WG are part of #OWS, some are part of other occupies. #nycga #ows

4 more ppl on stack for clarifying questions. #nycga #ows

CQ: It’s good to see so many WGs supporting this, but many WGs are not here. Curious why this demand is not following… #nycga #ows

… the process of our communication cluster groups. #nycga #ows

(solutions cluster, sorry) #nycga #ows

A: this statement has been workshopped long before the Solutions Cluster started. #nycga #ows

CQ: I know you have the best interest of the unemployed at heart. Your process is frustrating to me. New ppl that are not here… #nycga

… representing other groups, you should be concerned about not frustrating them. Last time this was up for discussion… #nycga #ows

… a delegation came here and none were able to speak because the process did not allow them to speak. #nycga #ows

(He’s saopboxing about silencing ppl) #nycga #ows

CQ: 2 CQs. How is this in line w the fact that #OWS has consensed to not have any demands. #nycga #ows

2. And you’re empowering the government to give us job without specifying what types of jobs they are. #nycga #ows

A: It is not factually correct that the #GA consensed to demands. #nycga #ows

The statement of principals ends “Demands will follow…” #nycga #ows

A: And we did specify the industries that should have more jobs (incl education, etc0> #nycga #ows

CQ: If this is ignored, your demand says actions will follow, what kind of actions? A: There will be consequences… #nycga #ows

… and we’ll form our own political party. #nycga #ows (Note: Someone says that she is saying that on her own… #nycga #ows

… that is not part of the proposal or anything official.) #nycga #ows

CQ: WIll the proposal include a public works program that addresses the inclusion of all races? A: Yes. #nycga #ows

CQ: Can we specifically add an outreach program to go to marginalized communities suffering from high unemployment? A: yes. #nycga #ows

CQ: There is a lack of clarity about whether #GA ever consensed on not making demands. #nycga #ows

CQ: she wants this to be tabled until the “no demands” position is clarified. #nycga #ows

POI: We have shot down every request for demands that have ever come to #GA. #nycga #ows

CQ: It’s unclear whether we have consensed on moving forward with demands… additionally, we’re still working on… #nycga #ows

… our goals statement. Not appropriate to bring our demands before our goals. #nycga #ows

C; We’re well-regarded for many issues, including not capitulating to the standard model of making demands…. #nycga #ows

… making demands comes from a position of weakness and gives someone else the power. #nycga #ows

C: Really value the issue yr bringing to the table, unemployment is a form of economic oppression. #nycga #owsf

… When demands like this come to the table, we have a broader vision and what we can do for ourselves. #nycga #ows

For specific outcomes, work within the community to create those outcomes. #nycga #ows

Issuing a demand undermines the community organizations that function horizontally, like we do. #nycga #ows

Next on stack: this demand is excellent, this country needs jobs. But we are known worldwide as a group that does not make demands. #nycga

Proposer: Every1 shld remember this: #OWS is magnificaent. If we get mired in whether we shld have demands, more ppl will die. #nycga #ows

Ppl have been committing suicide b/c they cannot get work. If you want to get stuck in politics of #OWS, they will die. #nycga #ows

They count on ppl like us to get something done. I wld not be standing here if not for my faith in #OWS. But their blood is on our hands.

Stairs: we have hit our time limit, should we allow more time? #nycga #ows

Brookfield security is listening intently to the #GA discussion of emplopyment/unemployment. #nycga #ows http://t.co/vhsi32dP

C: I’m very concerned. #OWS is our only hope. What I’m hearing is that this process seems to be breaking down into bureaucracy. #nycga #ows

Let us grow this movmnt by reaching out to all these unemployed ppl for demand for jobs. #nycga #ows

C: If idea is to demand jobs from the corporatocracy, then I’m concerned with this proposal. #nycga #ows

C: Justin made a brief comment, but I could not hear it. #nycga #ows

C: OCncerned that refusal to make demands will cause #OWS to lose momentum. #nycga #ows

FA: to create 25 million new environmentally- and socially-responsible jobs. #nycga #ows

Accepted! #nycga #ows

C: I’ll be brief, main dividing point is one word: demands. Demands are fine w me, but what about “call for” instead of “demand”? #nycga

(Ed: I like it) #nycga #ows

Proposer does not accept it. #nycga #ows

Proposer wants time to respond to all of the concerns. “This movement is already making demands. LA, Chi, ATL, DC has made demands…”

“Here is Manhattan, we need to start making demands.” #nycga #ows

C: There is a WG working on jcrafting our visions & goals. If we come out with a demand before our goals, we’re going to look silly. #nycga

And my specific concern is that we’re asking “daddy government” to please please give us jobs. #nycga #ows

We need to empower ourselves to create jobs, like we did with our 2 new worker co-ops. #nycga #ows

(Announcement: Kitchen is still at Trinity but they’re leaving at 930pm if nobody goes over there). #nycga #ows

Someone makes note that Facilitator’s put a time limit so we have time to get to a vote. Let’s take a vote already! #nycga #ows

Stairs: we don’t control that, the group consenses on whether to take more time. #nycga #ows

@ScotsIrish2 I am imperfect, and it is cold. I cannot even feel my fingertips! #nycga #ows

(Once again, please excuse my typos! I am imperfect.) #nycga #ows

Temp check: There are a considerable number of blocks. 11+ blocks. Stairs: looks like its not going to be consensus. #nycga #ows

Proposer wants a full count, even tho it’s really not numerically possible to overcome the blocks through modified consensus. #nycga #ows

A lot of the ppl who are proposing this are getting angry. #nycga #ows

There are 54 ppl here, and at least 11 blocks. Proposer is upset. #nycga #ows

This proposal has not passed. Proposer upset, insists on a count of all the ppl FOR the proposal. This proposal has not passed. #nycga #ows

Thanks Nathan for counting! #nycga #ows

An item was added to the agenda. Now there are 2 left. We’re all jumping and dancing to warm up. #nycga #ows

Facilitation: 2 parts: 1. Move #G indoors on a trial basis; 2. payment for that space. #nycga #ows

Ppl jumping up and down want to go straight to vote! Guess what? The person who blocks EVERYTHING doesn’t want it to go to a vote. #nycga

CQ: how much money do we have? #nycga #ows

CQ: When does it start? A: Tues! and then Thurs. Trial basis only. #nycga #ows

CQ: There should have been metrocards provided for ppl who cannot walk over there. #nycga #ows

(Ed: although its not far from #Zuccotti) #nycga #ows

A: that proposal was never brought forth. #nycga #ows

No concerns. #nycga #ows

FA: Accounting is offering their $100 daily allowance to purchase Metrocards for ppl. #nycga #ows

Point of Information!: Ppl do not get metrocards to come to #GA now, they shldn’t get Metrocards to go to #GA cpl blocks away. #nycga #ows

Design offers to create flyers etc so ppl know where #GA is if this passes. #nycga #ows

Nan insists on metrocards so ppl don’t have to walk in the cold. #nycga #ows

Temp check: most positive uptwinkles ever. #nycga #ows

Someone just made the point that she comes from Brooklyn to #Zuccotti. Nan said she’s privileged and then physically attacked her. #nycga

Nan is now screaming that she is going to beat the shit out of her. (Ed: If Nan doesn’t get removed for this, then this is crazynuts) #nycga

Unbelievable. #nycga #ows

Nan is blocking b/c homeless ppl cannot walk that far. It might be cold on Tues. Don’t have access to Metrocards. #nycga #ows

PoI ( I was going to say this): The Homeless Caucus already gives out unlimited weekly metrocards to these ppl. #nycga #ows

Stairs: modified consensus. 2 ppl against the proposal. Nan and someone else. Proposal passed! #nycga #ows

Heywood asks for reimbursement for someone who opened their home to us after the raid and there was some damage. #nycga #ows

She didn’t charge #ows for any of it. But stuff got damaged. 2 broken windows and a doorframe. #nycga #ows

RT @DiceyTroop: Nan blocked a proposal to move GA to 56 Walker for a trial period, but we got modified consensus! GA IS MOVING INDOORS E …

CQ: how many apartments did she offer (she has an apartment complex)? A: Not sure. #nycga #ows

She housed 40-60 ppl for about 3 weeks. #nycga #ows

(Surprise! Nan is against the proposal!) #nycga #ows

(Apparently a sink was damaged and it caused some water damage to the apartment downstairs. #nycga #ows

CQ: Do we know who caused the damage? #nycga #ows

A: I don’t know for sure. I have heard speculation but I’m not comfortable saying who. #nycga #ows

Concern: Says the electricity bill is inaccurate. A: I was there, there was heat & electricity. #nycga #ows

Friendly amendment: We shld raise some funds for this person b/c then maybe more ppl would be welcoming to su. #nycga #ows

Proposer: I will bring it up to her. #nycga #ows

FA: we should give her more. A: I’m not sure she’ll even take it. But I love the sentiment of it. #nycga #ows

Nan has “an ethical problem” with paying her for heating, wants to see the bill. #nycga #ows

Taking temp check: No blocks: consensus! #nycga #ows

(Heywood says his finger is so cold his phone doesn’t register it.) #nycga #ows

Last proposal: #OccupytheHolidays We wld like to do a toy drive for some of the kinds who have no toys! #nycga #ows

Asking for $3K for toys and food to bring to Bronx, Harlem, (and one other place). #nycga #ows

In Brooklyn at Trinity Lutheran: Bronx: Prospect Family Shelter; Barrio: 104th & Park. #nycga #ows

Bronx: 156 Street & Kelly; Barrio: 104st & Park; Brooklyn: 45th St & 4th Ave. #nycga #ows

Guy is yelling about being atheist. Mic check! Toys have no religious affiliation. #nycga #ows

Sorry, but this guys is yelling really loud and I can’t hear. #nycga #ows http://t.co/cvFRQK2U

Wait a minute, why didn’t Brookfield Security deal with that guy, why was it #OWS who had to deal with him? #nycga #ows

concern: Toys shld be stuff the kids want. A: They will be good toys, not shitty toys! #nycga #ows

C: no toys with lead. A: OK, we are not trying tokill the kids! #nycga #ows

C: Sorry to be a grinch, but this is a political movement, ppl donated to see it succeed. We don’t know how much more $… #nycga #ows

… is going to come in. #nycga #ows

That’s totally valid! I was part of Outreach and this idea came from that. Flyers don’t work. This project shows… #nycga #ows

… support and will lead to more solidarity. This is a nice first step. #nycga #ows

(“eat the rich, have a toy!”) #nycga #ows

Concern: this shldn’t be called a Christmas project; A: OK, happy holidays it is! #nycga #ows

#OccupytheHolidays #eattherich #haveatoy #nycga #ows

Concern: will the kids know that this is from #OWS or will it be random? A: We’re working with a few other organizations & trust them #nycga

Instead of buying from big shops, we’ll buy from local stores. #nycga #ows

COncern: this just feeds into the consumerist culture, and that’s not #OWS. #nycga #ows

A: Kids don’t understand consumer culture, they just need toys. I’m trying to respect what the members of the community have told me. #nycga

A line of about 12 cop cars with their lights on just went by. Oh shit! They found out we’re giving away toys! #nycga #ows

Friendly amendments: Is there any way to teach them about giving and something to downplay the consumerist stuff? #nycga

A: Lets talk later. #nycga #ows

FA: Offer to have ppl make things or donate things. #nycga #ows A: Yes!

FA: can some of the money go to help ppl pay to make stuff for this drive? (Answer unclear) #nycga #ows

Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows

FA: You should get #OccupytheYouth to get involved with this. Accepted! Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows

We’re out of time and are going straight to consensus. ANy blocks? No! Consensus! Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows

(there are about 7 stand-asides) Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows

Restate: We allot $3K for food and toys to give away on Dec 23, anyone who wants to get involved, make something, yr welcome to! #nycga #ows

(No sweatshop toys!) #nycga #ows

Chants of eat the rich, get a toy! #nycga #ows

We did a bunch of stuff tonight, feel good about yourselves! Adjourned! G’night folks! #nycga #ows

@ZoeTreuer $1000

@elkinginnetti Read it again as an exhortation that the person blocking shld leave the mvmnt.

… the shit out of her, but apparently it was more of an “in yr face” thing. @mikedelic: @LibertySqGA2 physically attacked her?

Correction: it looked like a physical attack & Nan was dragged screaming abt beating… @mikedelic: @LibertySqGA2 physically attacked her?

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