Tweets for Sat, 11 Feb 2012

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Hi fam! We’re starting tonight’s GA! Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4 for livetweets. #NYCGA #OWS

Tonight, @gomelanie and @wookietv are facilitating GA! We’ll affectionately refer to them as Stairs, as is tradition. #NYCGA #OWS

Melanie is explaining our proposal process, wherein we work through questions, concerns, friendly amendments before checking for consensus.

When we check for consensus, we can each consent to, stand aside from, or block the proposal. A block is based on moral or ethical principle

Corey intros our hand signals. “If you lk, give the twinkles, when you aren’t sure, do the mid twinkles, if you don’t lk, stinkles! (down)”

You can put 1 finger up to add a relevant “point of information”, spin yr hands to say “I respect what you’re saying, bt please wrap it up.”

You can also put your diamonds in the sky (triangle w/ 2 hands, / _ \ ) to say “you’ve gone off the process,” and ask to get back on track.

Stairs needs a timekeeper — Domo is volunteered by someone to do it. Domo jumps up and down in response. Twinkles for that! #ha #NYCGA #OWS

Yoni reminds us of the “respect the house” hand signal, which we can all do if things get “kinda chaotic” to bring us back. #OWS #NYCGA

Stairs check if we want to do reportbacks and announcements first tonight — looks like there are only 3, so we’ll do that. #NYCGA #OWS

Anthony: “I’m part of Class War and other working groups! We’re looking to make a big action for March 31st in solidarity w/ Europe.” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “And also, there’s going to be an affinity grp forming called ‘Autonomous’. We’re here, expect us. Let me know if you want to join.”

Outreach: “Every Weds at 1,” they meet here at 60 Wall and go out to spread info! This week, it’ll be re: #F20 anti-prison day of action.

Anthony raises the question of whether anyone is taking minutes tonight. There appears to be no livestream. “Molly from minutes is here…”

.@molly__o will take minutes! Stairs: “Everybody twinkle Molly!” #OWS #NYCGA

[Next, @HelloFrances and someone else had announcements that I missed due to hooking Minutes up w/ a keyboard! Hit me up, Frances. -Ed.]

OK, tonight’s first proposal is to ratify a Zeitgeist Working Group! Stairs: “We’re going to set a time limit for this, and…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…our trusty Domo is going to set 10 minutes!” Proposers: “We’re from the Zeitgeist movement; we’d like to form an #OWS working grp”

Cont’d: “The idea is to create a resource-based economy rather than a monetary-based economy.” “We see the world as a single organism…”

Cont’d: “…and the goal of the movement is to create a critical mass and get the message out as widely as possible.” They have a bunch…

Cont’d: …of chapters. “It’s the New York City chapter that wants to” collaborate with #OWS. “We have a lot of things in common and it…”

Cont’d: “…makes sense for our two movements to feed off of each other.” They say “especially in regard to sustainability.” #NYCGA #OWS

They advocate using “the scientific method” to prescribe solutions to ills, not just one person’s opinion. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Have you guys heard of Sustainability WG and have you talked to them?” A: “Yes, I’ve been to several meetings, also Alternative…”

Cont’d: “…Economies Working Group,” they felt supported. “They seem to be focusing on co-operatives, which is great, but we have…”

Cont’d: “…other things” in mind. “We should have other things on the table besides cooperatives.” #NYCGA #OWS

They feel that the co-op model might be a good bridge, “but we still feel that the monetary system is the problem.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “I dig the resource-based economy, but is it true that you want most things to be automated and run by computers?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Most things would be, but especially” resource management, sounds like. “It’s a process — it’s not like computers would tell ppl…” #OWS

Cont’d: “..what to do.” Want people to have things they want and need, “and if they were more abundant there’d be less conflict and strife.”

“Eventually, we’ll get to a place where the only thing we need is” ways to allocate resources, as long as they’re abundant. #NYCGA #OWS

“We value access over property.” “Things are rotated…” “..so everyone has access to goods,” “and allows things to be abundant.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “How do you decide who gets what?” A: “We advocate using the scientific method to decide what resources would…”

Cont’d: “…be needed and how people would get them.” “Want to utilize a lot of the advances we have in technology.” “We don’t decide…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “..who gets what. People have needs and desires, and if we use automated tech to produce food, there’ll be plenty…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “..of food and water for what ppl need,” and if you want something, you want it when you’ll use it. “There has to be enough…”

Cont’d: “…to go around,” system allocates how things go around “based on who wants it and when they want it.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “What would a typical working group look like, and how do you intend to move forward in enacting a resource-based economy?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Like Mike said, it’s a process. It’s arrived at — emergent, not established. We’re not saying, this is what we do, boom.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “It’s the train of thought involved, and the values we’re moving towards. So, it’s a pragmatic approach.” #NYCGA #OWS

Someone else: “To establish a resource-based economy or anything outside the system we have now, we need support from a large..”

Cont’d: “..group of people,” so want to work with those w/ their ideas or any ideas outside the current system. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “What are your immediate goals, long-term goals, what actions will you take to create the means by which you want to live?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “First, creating critical mass; that’s our main job here. We’re not technical experts, we need to get as many people on board as poss.”

“We need to have, like, a parallel government. So we have a bunch of ppl who want to move forward w/ this idea, and it has to..” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “..operate in and of itself and not adhere to…” “…it would be a different paradigm.” Nod to Venus Project for one specific example.

CQ: “I’m curious, what sort of apparatus do you propose for determining allocations, what tech would you leverage, and how would you…”

Cont’d: “…solve distribution problems,” such as disparities of cost transporting resources around. #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Well, that’s a huge question.” Nod to high speed rail, 3D printing. And “what resources would we not be able to obtain locally?” #NYCGA

There’s an extended back & forth between the proposers and an ornery scientist; PoPs go up that this isn’t a review of their ideas. #NYCGA

Nathan’s POP: “There’s obviously a couple of ppl who already know where this should go, but our process is to make sure everyone is heard.”

Someone asks another question about “how this differs” from another theory about resource allocation. PoPs go up. #NYCGA #OWS

Camille’s CQ: “Being an #OWS working group, will you adopt consensus process in everything including the ultimate idea that we can have..”

Cont’d: “…cities that run off of supercomputers.” A: “Yes, is the answer, and our movement already adheres to that.” #NYCGA #OWS

RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA @owslibrary is having an #OperationBookBombTucson book donation party at Word Up in Washington Hts on Mar …

RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA Spanish language books and books on Mexican history, culture & education to ship out to students and teac …

RT @HelloFrances: @LibertySqGA Also in two weeks at the next @occupytownsq we will be asking people to donate their books for #Operation …

We were going to move from clarifying questions to concerns, but ppl didn’t consent to extend beyond the original 10 minutes. #NYCGA #OWS

So, we’re moving to the next proposal, from Janet Wilson, Occupy the Roads, who Finance said has been trying to access our bank accounts.

Janet says the other night “a proposal was made about Finance,” and she made a comment that wasn’t in the minutes, and she… #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: …seems to get the sense that there is a desire for Accounting transparency. She feels we were overwhelmed by incoming $. #NYCGA #OWS

Janet says when she tried to find out how much we’d made, she couldn’t, found range of answer too wide (.5 to 1 mil). #NYCGA #OWS

Janet says when she tried to find out how much we’d made, she couldn’t, found range of answer too wide (.5 to 1 mil). #NYCGA #OWS

Here’s the text of Janet’s “Finance Transparency” proposal. http://t.co/Umydkq7x #NYCGA #OWS

She’s reading the proposal which essentially suggests that “all bank accounts be frozen immediately,” “#OWS is set up as its own 501c(3)..”

Cont’d: “…or vets a new fiscal sponsor; stop using and paying Alliance for Global Justice, set up or get control of WePay account…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…have new bank accounts opened up in a Credit Union or Local banking facility, replace all members of Accounting…” #NYCGA #OWS

POI: “WePay acct has Chuck, our guy at the Alliance for Global Justice on it.” That fiscal sponsorship was consensed to early on by GA.”

POI: “Our fiscal sponsor wrote us an email today and said that this woman, in an email, incorrectly said that she was our bookkeeper…” #OWS

Cont’d: “…this woman who we don’t know wants to freeze our bank accounts, spend all this money to” hire accountants when 501c(3) has to?

Janet says she called Chuck and said “I’m working with the Accounting people,” and “he gave me this stuff almost immediately.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “You came before the GA for funding, and your project was rejected.” A: “No, I didn’t come before the GA for funding at all…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…I sent a proposal to the GA to see if #OWS would fund Occupy the Roads,” someone tried to bring it to GA, she couldn’t. #NYCGA

So then she brought a proposal to GA for solidarity (I’m not sure what happened with that.) #NYCGA #OWS

Anthony’s CQ is: “Why didn’t she try to work w/ Accounting?” A: “I offered to help; Christine told me to get out Tuesday and since then…”

Cont’d: “..everyone has blocked me.” CQ: “What role do you see yourself having in the restructuring process?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Zero. I’m leaving for the roads.” Willing to help set it up, but haven’t volunteered any further. #NYCGA #OWS

Eric: “As many of you know, I’m working on occupying the park for march, which involves having food every day in park at 11:30. I view…”

Cont’d: “…Occupying the park as critical to the movement. It’s what we do. Will your proposal kill my project?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “It’s up to the GA.” CQ: “But you said it would freeze accounts?” “Yes,” everyone shouts. “So, it would kill my project,” Eric says. #OWS

Janet: “My understanding is we’re paying $10,000 a week for kitchen,” but she saw the food and thinks that’s high. POI: “We usually…”

Cont’d: “…spend closer to $4k or $5k.” Janet says, without the park, who are “the occupiers being fed?” POI: “The People’s Kitchen…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…doesn’t just feed occupiers; it feeds everyone.” Applause. “Also, you asked me this question” (about kitchen) “and I answered it.”

Melanie says someone approached her, said she wasn’t being impartial; she temp checks stepping down. “You’re doing a great job,” uptwinkles.

Esco’s CQ: “Hi, I used to work for People’s Kitchen before I went to college. My question is, why does it have to be specifically…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…you have chosen? Because it seems to me like you have a hidden agenda.” “It’s strange that somebody walks in and…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…just changes everything. How can we all administer the money or the guy you’re hiring to manage the money?” #NYCGA #OWS

Janet says there’s no guy, and people can choose the new Accounting working group “or hire outside,” not dictating. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Have you discovered any discrepancy in the accounting in any kind?” A: “I don’t feel comfortable answering it; I don’t…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…have all the facts. So, until such time, I’d give the benefit of the doubt to Accounting…” CQ: “So, no, you haven’t.” #NYCGA #OWS

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