Tweets for Mon, 30 Jan 2012

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RT @PoweredByCats: Tonight! #OWS #NYCSC at Riverside Church – 91 Claremont Ave between 121st & 122nd St (1 train to 116 or 125) 7pm-10: …

Hi fam! #OWS Spokescouncil is rolling up here on 121st St, at Riverside church. We’re doing reportbacks… #nycsc #ows

Sage is talking about his frustration with trying to maintain his working group so his restricted dietary needs can be met by the movement.

OccupyDignity: “We’ve been recently helping connect w/ OccupyPortland. There’s a big action in WA about a nuclear waste facility.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “That’ll be April 15th; there’ll be solidarity actions here.” Members of OD are traveling to do restorative justice work there.

Sebastian (OD) notes that the entire culture of the area revolves around the facility, so they want to make sure concerns are kept in mind.

DA: “Many are coming together to talk about Mayday; been difficult to agree on language. On Sunday, there was a breakthrough.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “We want to make sure that we learn from the past, and that when there’s big actions that affect everyone, everyone knows how..”

Cont’d: “…to plug in, b/c it takes everyone to do a major day of action. The language was basically the larger frame of Mayday 2012, and…”

Cont’d: “…then there’s a statement with the framework that #OWS and #NYCGA is in solidarity for calls for a “day without the 99%,”..” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…which includes General Strikes and more.”#nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “The framework that came out of DAWG is not set in stone, but we want maximum #s of ppl participating, either in streets, or…”

Cont’d: “…teaching about Mayday in classrooms, etc, but mostly in the street.” There will be a rally, DAWG will discuss with unions.

DA’s spoke suggests that we may have a joint, permitted march with unions that will march to the upper east side “Where the 1% lives.”#nycsc

This Wednesday, folks will be at 33 W 14th at 8:30 to discuss Mayday. #nycsc #ows

This Wednesday, folks will be at 33 W 14th at 8:30 to discuss Mayday. #nycsc #OWS

Someone points out Mayday is often celebratory, and wants to know if there’ll be some. DA is supportive, notes the plan is evolving. #nycsc

Occupy the Youth are doing an event w/ students on stop and frisk, loan debt, school-to-prison pipeline and direct democracy. #nycsc #ows

OtY meet Wednesday at 6 in the Atrium at 60 Wall. #nycsc #ows

Outreach notes that Occupy Town Squares was really great! More of that going forward. Also, they still have a printing budge for WGs! #nycsc

To get stuff printed, email with your working group’s email address. #nycsc #ows

PoC Direct Action are having another meeting this week. #nycsc #ows

Picture the Homeless is calling for some accountability from Finance, and they meet Sundays at 60 Wall. Not sure what time. #nycsc #ows

That’s it for announcements! First agenda item is “to start a conversation” about a budgeting process. Idea is to break up into WGs… #nycsc

Cont’d: “…and discuss 4 questions.” Brooke offers 2 mins of background if it’s of interest to people. #nycsc #ows

Brooke: “So, basically, the #Spokescouncil, which was proposed in Sept and formed in October…” Sage interrupts, suggests it’s not fair…

Sage: “It’s not fair” to frame Spokescouncil one way or another, when “there are a lot of opinions about SC and why it was formed.” #nycsc

Lisa asks Brooke to continue. “This is just about finance. There were 4 bulletpoints, including making logistical decisions and…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…approving #OWS finances.” Brooke notes that the process of assembly ended up taking over a month, and then we ended up just…

Cont’d: …saying that it was operational and that all groups were included. “But we intended to have a budgeting process soon, but didn’t..”

Cont’d: “…have the forethought” to see that the assembly process would be a huge thing. “We didn’t start that process; now that there’s…”

Cont’d: “…a spending freeze from the GA, this is a moment that the #SC could step into the original intention that the GA approved…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…which is to do budgeting for not the movement but for the money we use within Occupy Wall Street.” #nycsc #ows

Brooke notes “participatory budgeting” may be unfamiliar to ppl, but it’s about us collectively working on the budget. #nycsc #ows

Haywood: “Don’t get caught up on phrase ‘participatory budgeting’; we just need a budget.” They want to have conversation about… #nycsc

Cont’d: ..what working groups need in a budget. “This is about coming forward and having a budget, which is rational for any organization.”

Sage: “All language requires assumption, so if I say something tht sounds assumptive, please interact with me, otherwise I’ll keep talking.”

Cont’d: “So, #OWS. Ppl are showing up. Sleeping there. For that to work, we have to make decisions. GA requires a long term process…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…of vetting before proposals can go forward. It’s called, people are coming up with plans, and then someone comes up and says…”

Cont’d: “…I haven’t eaten for 3 days. Someone else says I can’t eat pizza. Someone else says, I need a raincoat.” #nycsc #ows

Sage notes that these requests are interrupting the “movement assembly, this passionate, activist decision-making body.” #nycsc #ows

Lisa tries to cut Sage off, bt he says “it’s really important.” Lisa encourages him to find his way to his pt “to respect the group’s time.”

Sage: “The words “operational logistics of #OWS”, for many ppl, meant the camp.” Feels many who consensed upon SC felt that way. #nycsc

Cont’d: “You’ll notice that proposals from SC don’t need to be vetted over time; this is b/c the operational needs come up on a day to day..

Cont’d: “…basis.” Feels that folks who don’t feel need to recognize disenfranchised voices left wiggle room for exclusion in design.

Sage: “I don’t know how to deal with people who have a giant blind spot about this.” Lisa says he’s right re: confusion abt “operations”.

Lady feels we need “a headquarters”, not where ppl sleep, but to have a stable environment, a permanent address. #nycsc #ows

Secondly, Lady feels we need to create a “decentralized way of raising funding,” so it’s not going into one pool like “mommy and daddy.”

Lady suggests we have separate pools. She knows someone who provides ppl with fundraising profiles and apps for computers and phones. #nycsc

Lady: “The 3rd app is to create a phone app for iPhone and Android so we can stay better connected within the movement.” #nycsc #ows

Lady says that would cost between $20 and $30k, and the space could be a storefront. #nycsc #ows

Lisa wants to hear from other groups who need to chime in before we have working group discussions, asks only Spokes to speak. #nycsc #ows

Someone who isn’t a spoke asks to chime in and continues before getting an answer. “Usually a budget starts w/ what we have… it sounds…”

Cont’d: “ we’re starting from what we need instead.” She doesn’t understand. Lisa says we’re starting a conversation first. #nycsc

Jason notes there are 5 questions for working groups: where they see themselves in the budget and financial needs… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: …how they see themselves w/ fundraising and attitudes towards it, ideas re: decentralized vs. centralized budgets… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: …analyze how affinity groups have done outside fundraising, and thinking up other financial models outside of fiscal sponsorship.

Lisa notes that we don’t need to make decisions tonight, “we’re doing what we shld do more often, which is building a proposal from…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…the group itself.” [I've heard about this recently from other experienced facilitators; props should come from whole group.]#nycsc

OK, we’re coming back together after discussing these questions in our working groups! #nycsc #ows

Lisa: “Since we’re in a creative process, and not trying to make a decision, I’d like to get your highlights.” #nycsc #ows

Minutes: “As far as our budget goes, we’ll have occasional items such as laptops.” Favor “transparent” project-based fundraising… #nycsc

Cont’d: part because groups know what they need. Translation: “We really don’t have any need for money, except special projects…”

Cont’d: “..that’s usually handled by affinity groups. I suppose we’re open to fundraising. Yeah, it’s fine. Centralizing makes…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…accountability easier, but for ongoing costs, it should be diversified.” Suggests Kickstarters for #4 and doesn’t know about #5.

OWS en Español: “We also don’t have a lot of needs; have mostly worked with organizations that already have resources around the city.”

Cont’d: “We’ve really leaned towards that, so our needs haven’t been that high other than some printing here and there.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “As another alternative, we advocate for looking into a bartering network, and to see how we can” get away from money. #nycsc #ows

“As far as centralized versus decentralized,” supports more centralized, but w/ project-based kickstarter-like approach. #nycsc #ows

Town Planning: “We have no sort of recurring or periodic expenditures; we do occasionally spend $ and I could see where come..” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…warmer weather, issues of tents and one-offs like rope might come up.” Apart from that, they’re cool w/ what group wants to do.

Cont’d: “At those times it was needed, though, we wouldn’t like to feel like there was no financial support system for those needs.” #nycsc

Cont’d: “RE: the iPhone app and Kickstarter, we can get behind Kickstarter, but the other two” they don’t see need of. #nycsc #ows

Next group: “What I got out of the group was that these questions were extremely difficult, #1. So, we said what we were thinking about..”

Cont’d: “…them,” but notes that without info about success on how ppl raised and spent money made it hard to compare. #nycsc #ows

Haywood responds: “Expenditures are listed online;” they’re a little behind but they’ll “have a data entry project.” #nycsc #ows

Haywood: “Who writes the checks? Signatories on the accounts are Bobby and Pete; they only get to write checks as GA and Spokes determines.”

Haywood notes Accounting doesn’t make decisions in and of itself. Sage disagrees, Haywood acknowledges: “I should say, ideally.” #nycsc

The speaker also wonders if #OWS is a non-profit. Haywood: “We’re an ‘unincorporated association,’ but our financial sponsors lets us…”

Cont’d: “…collect tax-deductible contributions.” PtH adds to group report, notes that financial info should be put on paper… #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: ..for folks who don’t know how to get online. Also, “in the music biz, we say, ‘what’s not in writing is rotten.’” #nycsc #ows

He’s mainly saying that skepticism about finances stems from lack of access to info, not as much from upsetting info. #nycsc #ows

Lisa asks 4 ppl from Accounting to stand up so ppl know who they are. Ppl start whistling. Haywood: “I know; sexiest working group ever.”

Sage is very frustrated. Brooke notes that she’s kept time and says he’s spoken “10% of the time.” Sage is very frustrated, continued.#nycsc

Someone: “It’s been hard to have this conversation without discussing values, priorities, which” many felt underlies the discussion. #nycsc

Cont’d: “So again, what are our values and priorities for allocation?” Supports de-centralized model of fundraising, but some had concerns..

Cont’d: …that different groups would have disproportionate access to capital depending on who was in a group and their networks. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “That would be unequal, and also #OWS itself might appear disproportionately based on who had access to funds.” #nycsc

So, they suggested we have some balance between centralization and decentralization. Also, written weekly finance reports. #nycsc

Next group, Brooke. “We were mostly Facilitation, but with some other groups.” “We ended up doing a straw poll, and the group was…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…divided b/w favoring a centralized process and a mix between decentralized and centralized.” No one supported fully decentralized.

RE: fundraising, they liked the idea of the app, wanted to talk to tech, and also suggested tabling. Notes that not just class, but…#nycsc

Cont’d: …”sexy vs. non-sexy” projects might get disparate funding. “So, facilitation only requests we get a smoke machine out of the deal.”

Next, someone wants to underline one thing Brooke said: how easy it is for donators to begin to control what the group does. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “That was a reason for having a more centralized accounting for money, so that doesn’t happen, so we aren’t controlled by funders.”

Lisa: “So, we want to start wrapping this piece up,” will take last few groups/hands. #nycsc #ows

Lisa: “So, we want to start wrapping this piece up,” will take last few groups/hands. #nycsc #ows

Next cluster: “We had 5 groups in cluster. Discussed autonomous fundraising, letting donors pick which WG they give money to…” #yncsc

Cont’d: “…and equal distribution among working groups, helping get funds to groups that don’t get as much attention.” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “To have a budget, it’s important to have a vision; we talked a little bit about need to establish where we want to be in 6mnths.”

Cont’d: “Let’s say in 6 months we wanted to reoccupy or expand; we could weigh all spending based on its contribution to that.” #nycsc #ows

They also talked about affinity groups having no transparency if there is autonomous fundraising. #nycsc #ows

Occupy the Youth notes they don’t make money, but if they did they’d share it with other working groups. #nycsc #ows

Anthony feels like if it’s a working group that spends a lot of money, they may take a big percentage of it for themselves, and give rest…

Cont’d: “…to the central pool, so that others could use money for actions and things like that.” #nycsc #ows

Anthony notes catch 22 of preventing working groups from doing outside fundraising but freezing internal budget requests. #nycsc #ows

Outreach feels “it’s an interesting question as to whether we should have a general or decentralized fund,” especially because it’s… #nycsc

Cont’d: …so interdependent with other groups in #OWS. “If we’re alone, we don’t mean much, but collectively, we all do Outreach.” #nycsc

Ronnie (Outreach) continues, noting that they bring it lots of human and financial resources. But depend on all others to serve role. #nycsc

Lady: “I’m going to bring this back when we talk about finance in a later group,” so she’ll wait until then. “This is a working document.”

Haywood: “I’m running bail tonight, so I have to step out,” but he wants to make sure that ppl understand “why WGs cannot raise outside $.”

Lisa’s cool with adding that to the agenda, “because people want to know,” but things next Spokes should have more “formal thing…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…from Accounting” on some of the issues and concerns. “Let’s do it, but we need a more thorough presentation.” #nycsc #ows

Haywood: “#OWS and the #NYCGA was founded on anarchist principles, as a collective. So we were founded to make decisions by…” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…consensus for our collective.” No money on day 1, then $100 came in, then $200, and allocations proceeded from that. #nycsc #ows

“The GA decided it would dictate where $ was spent, since we’re a collective. That was fine, until Occupied Wall Street Journal came out.”

Cont’d: “It was an overwhelming success; someone went to GA and proposed #OWSJ get more money, and someone pointed out…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…all of the money has to go through GA.” But bc they’re not officially in #OWS & subject to #GA’s rules, they’re an affinity grp.

Cont’d: The decision was made that “if you get outside money,” you cannot say you’re #OWS, and you can’t get GA money. #nycsc #ows

Robert notes that “from listening to the room, there’s a lot of either/or thinking about this topic, and it need not” be that way. #nycsc

He means that we can allocate based on percentages and influences. Lisa notes she heard a lot of need for transparency, priorities, and…

Cont’d: …balance between differences, and safeguards for ‘equity’ between all these different grps. “Good principles” to build from. #nycsc

OK, so, next proposal was from Ashley’s Women Occupying Nations, but she can’t be here b/c she was arrested last night. #nycsc #ows

But, Stairs will put forward the 3 main parts, and then get a straw poll “initial reaction so the feedback can go back o her.” #nycsc #ows

Stairs: “So, the proposal in general is talking about our communications process when proposals are coming forward.” #nycsc #ows

First, she proposes that proposals are mentioned 1 meeting prior to consensus, that they’re posted 48 hours prior, and that all WGs and…

Cont’d: …caucuses are notified directly 48 hours in advance. So, we’ll straw poll, and note it in the minutes. #nycsc #ows

Sage suggests that when proposals need advance dates, “it’s more like GA,” and wants to keep Spokes set up to work more quickly. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “This seems to drop even the appearance of this being functional for an occupation.” Sage wants us to “admit” it, if we do it.#nycsc

First part was widely supported. Second aspect is posting proposals 48 hours in advance, also widely supported. #nycsc #ows

The third part, about notifying WGs and caucuses directly 48 hours in advance is more mixed. #nycsc #ows

[I'll ask Minutes how they interpreted the temp checks, they may have a better view than me. -Ed.] #nycsc #ows

Lisa: “We’re now moving to an emergency proposal” brought to facilitation at the beginning of the meeting. Haywood presents… #nycsc

Apparently it has something to do with someone being in jail, so DA registers formal complaint w/ it going at end of the agenda. #nycsc #ows

Haywood: ‘One of the things we decided when we first discussed bail in late Sept, and then revisited @ Spokescouncil, was Q of who we bail.”

Cont’d: “It’s come to our attention that during the weekend, there was an action in Williamsburg, and arrests. This was not an #OWS event.”

Cont’d: “For ppl who weren’t there, it was coined a party for activists; they allegedly moved into an abandoned building on Bedford…”

Cont’d: “…and w/in about a half hour, the police showed up, they moved into streets and things got hectic, lots of confrontations with..”

Cont’d: “..protesters were police. 4 were arrested, 3 have $25k bails on their head that were put down to $1k.” Those 3 got out, but there..

Cont’d: …was a fourth individual. “In writing, [organizers] said, ‘This is an autonomous action not related to #OWS.”" #nycsc #ows

Haywood: “Now, there were occupiers there. And some ppl were arrested. Do we bail those people out?” #nycsc #ows

Haywood suggests we break spokes for a bit and just have anyone say what they feel. “That would be really good to me.” #nycsc #ows

Sage’s POI: “There were no arrests at the bldg; the arrests were on a march. Very important detail.” So, not different than how arrests…

Cont’d: …often happen. Negesti notes that it wasn’t an #OWS event because it was not DA-sponsored. #nycsc #ows

Someone notes that it was called the “OccuParty,” but had nothing to do with #OWS specifically. #nycsc #ows

POI: “I was arrested in Zuccotti Park, and #Occupy paid my bail. It wasn’t an action; how does that relate?” #nycsc #ows

Haywood: “That was an action. Zuccotti Park itself was a direct action.” #nycsc #ows

So, we’ll now breakout to discuss the question of whether #OWS should bail out members when participating in non-#OWS actions. #nycsc #ows

OK, we’re back. Folks are trying to find out more info about past conversations about bail limits. It was a different issue tho. #nycsc #ows

Brooke: “There’s always been a little bit of wiggle room when break-off marches happen.” That’s a convo in DA, but some things are… #nycsc

Cont’d: …kind of “loosely agreed to” rather than consented to. So, things that come out of, but aren’t planned, #OWS actions, are included.

This time it’s “not an #OWS action, but there are #OWS people” in it. Negesti: “This event was targeted to #OWS ppl; they advertised..”

Cont’d: “…this event at an #OWS meeting.” Notes that this person is very active in #OWS and we should support them. #nycsc #ows

Anthony: “It might not have been official, but people from #OWS were there.” Notes we bail ppl for lots of related things. #nycsc #ows

Next: “There’s a lot of violence being perpetuated against us, and a lot of” misleading press full of mistruths. #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “We’re trying to support our brothers and sisters in Oakland. If you act unilaterally in a violent way, you should not be bailed.”

Zack clarifies, feels we should bail ppl out in this instance; unilateral actions in general tht violate community agreements shouldn’t be.

Cont’d: “…charged with something as ridiculous as heroin possession, for example, where do I fit in?” Concerned for all of us. #nycsc #ows

.@thejorobin notes that law enforcement has habit of arresting ppl outside of actions randomly. “If I’m pulled off the street, arrested..”

Zack clarifies, feels we should bail ppl out in this instance; unilateral actions in general tht violate community agreements shouldn’t be.

Minutes reports that it’s clear that the previous GA consensus is we don’t post bail for people who have been arrested “outside of #OWS”.

Sorry, that’s a consensus from Spokescouncil. Brooke notes that it’s a murky area to determine what constitutes “at #OWS.” #nycsc

Brooke: “I’m not going to tell you what we need to do right now; Finance isn’t putting together a proposal to change what is, they are…”

Cont’d: “…seeking clarity.” Need proposal to change rules, asking if WGs want to put forward a specific proposal to bail people out. #nycsc

Brooke: “In order for us to move forward, we need to put the proposal forward. I’d love to get a proposal from a working group.” #nycsc #ows

@JoeMakesThings thanks fam!

RT @thejorobin: @LibertySqGA2 Lulz. I said there is a “historic precedent for police dept and FBI arresting activists in social justice …

So, someone has a proposal. “We believe when an #OWS participant is involved in a protest-like action, it should be supported by…” #nycsc

Cont’d: “…the #OWS community. Someone from #OWS is in jail right now, and should be bailed out.” #nycsc #ows

OK, now taking stack for clarifying questions on the proposal. #nycsc #ows

First CQ wants details, because case-by-case, the details may matter. Concerned about limits on bail funds, need to conserve. #nycsc #ows

So, some details are provided– it’s Elias from the Class War working group. Anthony: “I wasn’t there when he was arrested, don’t…”

Cont’D: “…know the circumstances of the arrest. But I do know that when I was arrested, I was charged w/ inciting a riot…” #nycsc #ows

Cont’d: “…and when I was arrested, I was by myself.” So, police lie, charges are often falsified and are always trumped up. #nycsc #ows

Next CQ: “I was going to ask you, when he had bail assigned, he had counsel, yes? But you’re saying now it hasn’t happened?” #nycsc #ows

.@thejorobin clarifies that the arraignment hasn’t happened, so this is dealing with a likely hypothetical. #nycsc #ows

Robert says that before charges and bail have been set, it’s hard to make a decision. Thinks details are important. #nycsc #ows

He also asks why this is so time-sensitive; Anthony notes that he wants to know when he’s arraigned whether bail is available. #nycsc #ows

Someone asks if the charge matters, if you get bail for a violent charge. Answer is you would, b/c we’re not judges. Charges are alleged.

Folks want others to talk about what happened, but we can’t. “Usually someone who witnesses something to do with law can’t speak re: it.”

“So if we can’t trust the cops, and we can’t hear about it, how we can we make a decision?” #nycsc #ows

Media: “I first have a CQ as to why – there were at least 6 arrests. So 5 ppl — why is it just 1 person that we’re bailing out?” #nycsc

A: “Because that 1 is the one that is part of #OWS.” PoI: “I asked him; he said the 3 ppl bailed’ve been arraigned, bail set, they’re out.”

Apparently Occupy Williamsburg bailed out the other arrestees. “Elias is part of #OWS.” Media: “As a movement, we can’t be responsible..”

Cont’d: “..for our autonomous actions in our private lives. This was not disseminated to everyone; I didn’t know about it until I heard…”

Cont’d: “..halfway through it happening. We sent LiveStream there b/c we heard occupiers were being arrested; we were told it was not..”

Cont’d: “…an #OWS function. It opens up a huge can of worms to open our bail funds to any legal problems anyone from #OWS runs into.” #nycsc

Stairs: “That’s a valid concern, but we need to stick to clarifying questions at this point.” #nycsc #ows

PtH: “This person should be bailed out only because certain things should be written down so that consequences are understood.” #nycsc #ows

He says he knows if he goes to PA and gets arrested, PtH won’t help. Feels that ppl may need better explanations of “what’s covered.”#nycsc

Cont’d: “So, let’s bail him out this time, and let people know that consequences will happen next time. B/c we don’t have $ for this.”#nycsc

Proposers table the proposal to try to rework it so it covers future cases as well. #nycsc #ows

OK, that’s the end of the agenda. Opening stack for announcements. Lisa acknowledges that debrief about last night’s action didn’t… #nycsc

Cont’d: …happen, but notes that direct action working group did one and a lot of issues with it were raised. #nycsc #ows

Announcements! “There’s a man who’s going around who’s really wealthy, wants to donate to a cause, is considering #OWS.” May sit in soon.

OK, one last announcement: Tomorrow at 5:30pm, mic checks in Grand Central! Be there or miss out on some fun! #nycsc #ows

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