Tweets for Mon, 19 Dec 2011

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Printing is not required, see http://t.co/KRNv7uET #OWS #nycga @StrongWomenRul1: if your going to bring a proposal must have it print-out

Ok, we’re starting to start, we’re gathering for #SpokesCouncil. #nycsc #ows

RT @PoweredByCats: FYI #OWS Peeps! This weeks #nycga will NOT be held @ Liberty Sq. Tues/Thursday General Assembly will be at 7pm @ 56 W …

A light turnout. #nycsc #ows

Mic check! Agenda items for tonight: Town Planning. 2 parts. 1. take on housing… and something neither of us heard. #nycsc #ows

Stairs notes that #GA will be here tonight and they encourage everybody to come. #nycsc #ows

Someone wants to discuss making the #GA great again. Moving inside temporarily is a good step. #nycsc #ows

Jay: Notes that emergency #GA is being held tonight to dissolve #SpokesCouncil (Someone notes that it is Trish) #nycsc #ows

Media; Wld like reportbacks first b/c we might want to have interSpokes discussion re activities. #nycsc #ows

Justin wld like us to talk about how we reinvent the wheel, notes that the location wasn’t put on the web until an hr ago… #nycsc #ows

…(but it’s been here on Mon & Weds consistently). #nycsc #ows

OK, WG reportbacks, keep it short & concise. Let’s make it happen in 30 mins. #nycsc #ows

Diego will be timekeeper. He’s also one of the awesome hunger strikers. #nycsc #ows

OK, now stack-keeper. #nycsc #ows

Let’s see if we can be done by *;05-8:10. #nycsc #ows

Justin is first. Organizing Fest of Ebenezer at #zuccotti. Says something about #GA, but I didn’t catch it. #nycsc #ows

OccupyFarms. There are 9 farms on board and we are continuing to build a network. We’re using the tents to house the occupiers. #nycsc #ows

Meeting at Mon 5pm 60 Wall Street. If you want to learn about agriculture and animals, pls help out! #nycsc #ows

Facilitation: Income proposals everyday at 5pm at 60 Wall. Mtgs Tues Thurs Sat at 4pm at 60 Wall. Visit http://t.co/OzXDORvv #nycsc #ows

And they have an informational twitter account: but they don’t mention the twitter handle. #nycsc #ows

They are starting to go to the park before #GA to answer questions about process, etc. #nycsc #ows

OccupyDignity: working on the holiday program. NYC Civil Liberty Union sent ltr to NYPD/Brookfield to allow expression of religion #nycsc

Spread the word! Trying to get prayer mats allowed in #Zyccotti. #nycsc #ows

They have a leaflet! #nycsc #ows http://t.co/BdjPKU5W

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OccupyTheYouth, this Thurs 4pm in Brooklyn, ReelWorks, helping kids learn film/media-making. #nycsc #ows

Tech: the Unconference was awesome! It showed that there are a lot of sides to the mvmnt. Almost 800 registered ppl were there #nycsc #ows

Press: @Dwayne_wins Mtgs Weds at 6pm at either 50 Bway or 60 Wall. If you need a press release, talk to us. #nycsc #ows

Kitchen: #GA proposal to distribute food passed, at Charas, #d17, jail support, etc. #nycsc #ows

Kitchen is looking for volunteers, please help! #nycsc #ows

NVC Non-violent communication/mediation: Mark: Mon-Fri 2-4pm at Charlotte’s place, they give NVC training. #nycsc #ows

Women Occupying Nations is not having a meeting this week. They went to the immigration rights parade. #nycsc #ows

Direct Action: Austin: #D17, they’l be holding a debreif on Weds 60 Wall (maybe at 730pm), check http://t.co/JH6L91qC #nycsc #ows

Also having a joint mtg with the People of Color Caucus. Planning a roadtrip & wld like to cordinate w other WGs to build mvmnt #nycsc #ows

Weds 730pm 60 Wall for the #D17 debrief. #nycsc #ows

Trish: NYCGA Council (or something similar): They have been meeting to dissolve #SpokesCouncil. They are meeting now. #nycsc #ows

CQ: There is a process to dissolve #SpokesCouncil, it should be done that way. #nycsc #ows

Ashley has a question about the WGs, she shld go talk to them, not ask Stairs. #nycsc #ows

Accounting! We raised $6000 last week and spent more than that last night. #nycsc #ows

OK, WG reportbacks done! Good timing, folks! TThanks for reespecting our collective time. #nycsc #ows

Agenda items next: Town Planning proposal. (they have a flyer, i will try to get a pic of it) #nycsc #ows

Proposal from Town Planning WG. #nycsc #ows http://t.co/zOEaKWFr

This is a 3-part proposal. The first one involves limiting the appearance of any individual in the role of Spokes… #nycsc #ows

… to only 1 time per 7 days. #nycsc #ows

Part 2 is to define those held to the #OWS standards of conduct. #nycsc #ows

(I’m liking this so far. High time for this!) #nycsc #ows

He’s making the presentation. If you’ve followed this twitterfeed, you know what the issue is and how sorely this is needed. #nycsc #ows

#OWS desires the most numerous voices possible, and this proposal is geared to make more voices heard, and to limit the voices… #nycsc

… that are constantly heards. #nycsc #ows

the text #nycsc #ows http://t.co/DrgMjhtK

Clarifying question – if we’re doing this as #Spokes, can we have a cpl minutes to discuss w our groups? #nycsc #ows

explained… #nycsc #ows http://t.co/AUNemxbU

Sage is saying that this is a public space, but it’s actually not. It’s a privately-owned space, and they rent it to us. #nycsc #ows

There is an issue as to whether the livestream can continue to film, some ppl are sensitive to being filmed. #nycsc #ows

Clarifying questions: 1. what other WG have you worked with on this? A: Just Town Planning. #nycsc #ows

A: (cont) TP is bringing this proposal to #SpokesCouncil, which is how #SpokesCouncil is supposed to work. #nycsc #ows

A: A working group that doesn’t have enough members (i.e. only 2) to rotate, maybe that’s not really a WG and is an abuse. #nycsc

PoP: We allotted 5 minutes for CQs, where are we on that. A: almost 4 minutes. #nycsc #ows

CQ: Has to do w process. The #GA has stated that we are supposed to rotate Spokes, how can we change what #GA says? #nycsc #ows

(Note: The #GA said Spokes are to rotate, and from my experience, they have not been rotating). #nycsc #ows

PoI: #SpokesCouncil has the right to self-regulate as long as it does not infringe on the powers of #GA. #nycsc #ows

(and someone quotes the specific language from the proposal that was passed by the #GA). #nycsc #ows

Trish: CQ: why is this presented from NYCGA to the #SpokesCouncil? http://t.co/Ta92FG5P

Stairs: We’re doing pretty good, let’s let if flow beautifully. #nycsc #ows

A: It was a convenient graphic, and everything we do here has to do with the NYCGA. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: We’re finishing stack and moving on to the next stack. #nycsc #ows

Ashley: CQ: some WGs only have 15 ppl, and cannot rotate their Spokes 3 times a week. This will censor them. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: That was not a Clarifying Question. #nycsc #ows

DA has a PoP: there is an extended back n forth, there was a question, let TP answer it. #nycsc #ows

A: In order to rotate Spokes 3 times a week, you only need 3 members of the WG. #nycsc #ows

CQ: Can we talk about this tonight and vote on Wednesday? A: That sounds like a FA> #nycsc #ows

(Whooo a guy just jumped into the center and appears incredibly unstable. I don’t recognize him.) #nycsc #ows

De-escalation is taking place. #nycsc #ows http://t.co/8DivDMy3

Stairs notes that owners of this space have asked that no intoxicated ppl be allowed in here, and medical/de-escalation shld assist. #nycsc

OK, point of appreciation for all of us for handling that OK. Was deescalated, he was escorted out of his own accord. #nycsc #ows

Stairs notes that the fellow was suffering from something other than inebriation, and sorry to mislead you. #nycsc #ows

Concerns: 1. This WG taking it upon themselves to bring this proposal, they shld have included other WGs. A: Yeah, that’s how… #nycsc #ows

… proposals are brought to #SpokesCouncil. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: We’re on concerns for this proposal. We’re closing stack now, if you want to get on stack, do it now. #nycsc #ows

C: next, the owner of the building! He’s glad we’re here. From time to time there’s difficulties. Dealing w ppl is sometimes difficult.

… There are just ppl who are committed activitists, some have issues, and some here might not be genuinely with this group. In #LA there..

… were a dozen undercovers, and I assume there are more here. Let’s not accuse, but keep in mind that there cld be provocateurs here. #ows

… Not everybody may be with you, but be strong and continue. This is an alcohol- and drug-free zone, please respect that. … #nycsc #ows

… And respect our neighbors. I’ve been here 10 years and we’ve had gentrification, expensive condos, we have to deal… #nycsc #ows

w the fact that we share the block with the 1%, if there’s excessive noise, they call those who protect and serve them, the #NYPD. #nycsc

And we’re having the #GeneralAssembly here a couple times this week. #nycsc #ows

If anyone has any questions or needs any help, let me know. #nycsc #ows

C: Constitution WG: it limits a lot of groups, there might not be enough to rotate 3 spokes. #nycsc #ows

C: WoN: I have a moral/ethical concern (note: that’s a block), it used to be one person cld speak on Monday and then again on Friday…

Someone spoke for 2 groups last week, I feel this is censorship. In WoN, some ppl have children and can’t come. It seems like yr… #nycsc

… going off the deep end. More WGs should have been involved in this proposal. #nycsc #ows

PoI: On the website, there are 130 groups, they can merge! #nycsc #ows

Stairs: let’s take a moment. I am stacktacker, also checking vibes. By definition, side conversations are not participation…. #nycsc #ows

… we need you to participate. #nycsc #ows

A: the proposal would then require that to Spoke, you have three members per WG, that is not an onerous burdern. #nycsc #ows

There are ppl here that are heard from in abundance, we need to remedy that. #nycsc #ows

PoP: Seems like this is needed right now b/c of the breakdown in how we have operated the #SpokesCouncil so far (re ratifying, etc) #nycsc

C: Security: We feel good about the first part, but 2nd part about ppl in multiple groups, seems it is targeted to individuals. #nycsc #ows

(All the yellys said thank you) #nycsc #ows

… I want to take a deep breath and discuss. We want ppl to think on it. #nycsc #ows

A; It was specifically designed to limit the overparticipation and encourage ppl that we don’t hear from. #nycsc #ows

C: Trish is saying she is not a cop. She says Dwayne’s momma is a cop. My WG feels this proposal is discriminatory. #nycsc #ows

… It shld be publicized on NYCGA.net. A: It was, it’s been on since last Tues or Weds. #nycsc #ows

A: this is to encourage more participation, not less. #nycsc #ows

PoC wants to make an address: Agitated. We need this proposal. Today I have to speak for 2 groups, I am happy to let my groups know to come.

… I don’t think this is discriminating against People of Color, it is discriminating against certain ppl. We need to separate…

… the personalities of certain ppl from real discriminatory issues. And I want to note that the person who caused my agitation just left!

… This is a tactic. I don’t care if she is a cop or not a cop, this is an agitating topic. #nycsc #ows

C: Everybody has issues, we need to transcend those. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: Shld we keep taking about this? Mostly uptwinkles. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: Now Spokes need to give me an answer on whether to move forward with this proposal. #nycsc #ows

We’re taking a temperature check on moving toward consensus. A little confusion. There are 3 interwoven proposals. #nycsc #ows

OK, moving toward consensus? #nycsc #ows

We’re going to continue hearing the proposal (18 ppl were for continuing, and 8 were against). #nycsc #ows

FA from Constitution WG: wanted an exemption for WGs w/ fewer than 3. Rejected. #nycsc #ows

Accepted FA: restriction won’t take effect for 1 week. #nycsc #ows

OccupyFarms: let’s have a trial period. Declined. It’s intended to equalize participation. #nycsc #ows

Notes that anybody can bring a new proposal to repeal previous proposals. #nycsc #ows

FA: We’ve had rules before but no way to enforce. How can we enforce this in a non-violent way. #nycsc #ows

A: the third part of this package will address that. #nycsc #ows

FA: let’s keep track of who is Spoking, some sort of official record of Spokes. #nycsc #ows

(Facilitation is discussing this, since they will be tasked with that duty. #nycsc #ows)

@profsusurro This issue is separating tension with specific ppl from broader racial tension (that’s how I see it) #nycsc #ows @blogdiva

@blogdiva Tell minutes! #nycsc #ows

Minutes: we are self-policed, nothing in this asks ppl to leave, they can stay and witness, they can’t speak as a Spoke. #nycsc #ows

Press: if someone doesn’t honor the boundaries, what is to stop them. A: Nothing that we don’t already have. #nycsc #ows

Restricted Diets WG: Alternative to picking up ppl and remove them from the space (note: there’s nothing in the proposal that does that)…

… they should be given extra attention, special time, extra time, if they are still the only ones here (??), if we give them everything…

… they need, maybe they can find other ppl to work in their WG. #nycsc #ows

A: ppl should use all the tools they have, including Tech, to encourage other ppl to get involved in their WGs. #nycsc #ows

Kitchen: this is a comment on the process, our goal is to come to consensus, we need to avoid burnout. #nycsc #ows

Human rights: (she has a heavy accent, I’m having trouble, I’m sorry!): Asking ppl to do introspection and come as a community… #nycsc

… and discuss. #nycsc #ows

Don’t pretend it’s not personal, it is personal. You can read between the lines. Stairs: Proposal should include mediation & not be.. #nycsc

… personal? PoP: That was not a friendly amendment. Proposer: I can’t respond to it as a friendly amendment. #nycsc #ows

A: I would respond in a more general way: Nobody in this room objects to working with the movement. The problem is the behaviors… #nycsc

… It’s manifestly unfair to have certain voices consistently to the exclusion of others, and this is something to address that. #nycsc

Stairs: this is turning into a go-between, we need to go back to stack. #nycsc #ows

FA: (Trish) Eat this amendment (there may have been a hand gesture). A: rejected. #nycsc #ows

WoN: FA: we do a teach-in on classicism and sexism, b/c women have other obligations, some WGs only have 10-15 ppl. #nycsc #ows

@profsusurro That’s what I took from it. #nycsc #ows @blogdiva

A: Amendment is rejected as it was specifically designed to limit the participation of ppl that are not in working groups (?) #nycsc #ows

Nan: My friendly amendment is that you can take this proposal and shove it up your ass. #nycsc #ows

PoI: @Dwayne_wins says Trish forgot her placard (she might have thrown it at him before?); Trish says to stop bother her or she’ll shred him

Direct Action FA: let’s have a Spokes sign-in sheet and include it in the minutes. A: accepted? #nycsc #ows

part 3 of the proposal (for the record) #nycsc #ows http://t.co/lv9pyvox

Stairs: Spokes, please discuss with your group and then let’s move to consensus. #nycsc #ows

Discussion of what stand-asides are and how they work into the consensus process. #nycsc #ows

(Someone explains that it’s like abstaining) #nycsc #ows

There are 6 stand-asides. #nycsc #ows

Stairs: we need to clarify whether ppl who spoked last meeting can spoke again this week to block. #nycsc #ows

Clarifying what a block is: moral/ethical/safety issue. #nycsc #ows

Trish is being generally disruptive. #nycsc #ows

A group of ppl just walked in and are banging drumsticks and are intent on disrupting everything. Trish is singing/screaming. #nycsc #ows

The proposers would now like to address the blockers. But Sage is speaking, so I’m not sure what’s up. #nycsc #ows

And a PoP: OK, the proposer has authorized Sage to speak, I guess. #nycsc #ows

OK, we’re going to hear the blocks. Sage says that will take longer. But that’s the process. #nycsc #ows

OK, it’s settled down, we’re back to process. #nycsc #ows

Proposer: It is time for new Spokes to step up, and other Spokes to step back. #nycsc #ows

WoN: this proposal is blind to the fact that marginalized communities do not have the luxury of attending meetings. #nycsc #ows

I am blocking because there is a lot of classicism, and because this proposal was undemocratically brought to us. #nycsc #ows

A: #SpokesCouncil is not constructed that way, the proposals are brought to the group, that’s how it is. #nycsc #ows

Next blocker agrees with the other block, feels like the proposal is about individual who wrote this has something against (unclear). #nycsc

She wants to address the Proposer personally. Ppl do not like that! #nycsc #ows

Proposer makes the point that this blocker has had the proposal since Friday, it was given to her personally. #nycsc #ows

We’re having a moment of silence, starting right now. #nycsc #ows

RT @shawncarrie: New twitter for Facilitation is @OWSFacilitation! Sorry I forgot to mention the name. @LibertySqGA @heratylaw @DiceyTro …

Block: 2 forms of democracy: WGs and this group (macrolevel), WGs should choose who they want speaking for them. #nycsc #ows

Proposer: My inclination is to go into a dialog, but that’s not appropriate for the format. #nycsc #ows

(He refers to the inequity of 1-person Working Groups) #nycsc #ows

Trish: An ethical block. Give this some thought. We have TP proposing this to spokes, which is not legitimate, it is not operational. #nycsc

Says this should go in front of #GA. She says #SpokesCouncil is not legitimate (x4) (x5). #nycsc #ows

PoI: Trish brings up an issue of bringing proposals to #SpokesCouncil but she does it all the time. #nycsc #ows

PoI: That block was not an ethical issue. #nycsc #ows

PoI: I was at first few #SpokesCouncil and TownPlanning was seated as a WG but Trish’s Working Group was not. #nycsc #ows

Trish is yelling that this is an illegitimate meeting. #nycsc #ows

PoI from Tech: I’m starting a new WG called the NYCGA Council Council, and it approves of this proposal! #nycsc #ows

Trish: Let me see your minutes! #nycsc #ows

@Siobhan99 No, it’s absolutely not OK. #nycsc #ows @dwayne_wins

PoI: Minutes: Women Occupying Nations was not approved as a caucus/WG. I was at that meeting. #nycsc #ows

PoI: we’re being asking to leave the space right now because it’s 10:30PM #nycsc #ows

We’re taking a vote for modified consensus. #nycsc #ows

If you are in favor of this proposal passing, please hold up your placard. #nycsc #ows

We think there are 36 in favor. Raise your placard if you are against. There are 4 against. We have 90%!!! Consensus? #nycsc #ows

Forty votes, 36 for, 4 against. That’s 90%. Nan and Ashley are saying that the votes were counted wrong, that it’s bullshit. #nycsc #ows

Stacktaker says there was a formal count that was repeatedly announced. The count stands as 36 in favor, 4 against. Consensus! #nycsc #ows

It’s hard to describe the jubilation. #nycsc #ows

Great night! A team member noted that I shld tone down my opinion abt the proposal on this account. I am imperfect, and I am not neutral…

… especially about that proposal b/c I wld’ve bounced if something wasn’t done abt the problem. But the comment is noted! …

Comments, criticism, etc, to @heratylaw. G’night everybody!

RT @nomadnewyork: @LibertySqGA3 There’s a party going on in my house.

RT @nonloc: @LibertySqGA3 congrats! And thanks so much for your hard work through all of this!

RT @DaliDama: FINALLY! WOOHOO! @LibertySqGA3: “Stacktaker-formal count, repeatedly announced, stands as 36 in favor, 4 against. Consensu …

RT @masvaranasi: @LibertySqGA3 well done good vote thanks for the 90% now enforce the proposal please

RT @OWSLibrary: @LibertySqGA3 WOOHOO!!!

@michaeldbirch What are you looking for? Maybe I can help. @ows_kitchen

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