Proposal for OWS Legal Support And Commissary Funds For Detained Comrades

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Proposal for OWS Legal Support And Commissary Funds For Detained Comrades

The proposal pertains to Ellis Roberts/Robert Nilon a day one Occupier, a co-host and co-producer on the Occupy Wall Street Radio Show on WBAI and a huge voice and advocate of OWS ~and ensuring that there is legal support and funding provided for his commissary by OWS ~and that OWS commissary and legal support become protocol if Comrades are detained in the future.

Ellis has been in police custody since January 28th and held in Rikers since January 31st where he remains to this day. As the first Occupier to be detained and kept in Rikers he has received ZERO support from OWS and that cannot stand as it is a duty to protect and support our Comrades.

Stating that there is a freeze on OWS funds and the $100,000.00 bail fund is for bail and the $15,000 emergency jail fund does not qualify as a source for OWS to help with Ellisz commissary fund; OWS has left Ellis with zero support.

~Ensuring commissary funds while detained will enable our Comrades to buy food, supplies and make phone calls at $5.00+ for out of state phone calls.

For contrast, let it be stated that Occupiers receive a monthly total of $120 in metrocards, housing, a minimum of 1-2 meals a day, have access to phones and the internet for connectivity (Charlottes Place / friends etc.) and it is a duty to ensure that our detained Comrades will also have our care and support while they are detained.

Ellis is the first OWS Occupier that is being detained and kept in Rikers Island. He was arrested on and is facing completely erroneous charges: and he’s being held in Rikers; a NY Jail complex; 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and it is my suggestion that we alot a monthly amount of $220.00 to his commissary; to buy food, supplies and make phone calls at $5.00+ for out of state phone calls ~till his release.

I would like to ensure OWS’s brotherhood and solidarity does not end once a comrade is arrested or detained. I would like to ensure that OWS maintains the highest principles of camaraderie, honor, integrity, brotherhood and solidarity by making protocol: the provision of his and future comrades commissaries and ensuring his/their legal protection and well being while detained.

#GOONIESNEVERSAYDIE

#COMRADES

Proposal by : Faith Laugier

~Day 1 Occupier, Co-Host/Co-Producer of the OWS Radio Show on WBAI, member of Class War and an OWS Comrade.

**Please place on agenda for time equivalent of after 7:30pm. Radio show ends at 7pm. Thank you. xx



**And to answer questions posted below:

“Day 1 Occupier” was stated to show the duration of commitment to this movement.

Re family; they have been alerted and support is there, but funds are not really.

Calls are $5.00+ for out of state and his fam and friends are in Florida and Pennsylvania

The charges are completely erroneous and b.s.. It seems they are moving to make an example of those who exercise protest and dissent 

OWS cannot extend solidarity while Comrades are free and cut solidarity when Comrades are arrested and detained

#OWS

#ROLLRIGHT

#COMRADES

XX

55 Responses to “Proposal for OWS Legal Support And Commissary Funds For Detained Comrades”

  1. HoaxCouncil

    I’M KIND OF :/ ABOUT REFERRING TO PPL AS “DAY 1 OCCUPIERS” BECAUSE IT IMPLIES RANK / PRIVILEGE / AUTHORITY.

    • The Jokes Council

      AS A DAY -24 OCCUPIER, I FIND YOUR LACK OF RANK, PRIVLEDGE AND AUTHORITY MEANS YOU SHOULD SHUT UP ABOUT THIS. n00b.

  2. Yoni Miller

    What are the specific rules for Bailfunds, and wasn’t he arrested during “Occuparty”?

    I am just asking, trying to get a clearer picture before I support or decline this proposal,

  3. Sally Marks

    What did he do that was so serious that they cannot be released?
    Is there additional information available? I’d hate this to be like that guy that needed extra funds due to a gun or something. Was he arrested with other people? What about them?
    I would think working for a radio station (on assignement???) he would have support of the station and also funds of his own.

    Not enough inormation here to make an informed choice. All we can do is speculate?

  4. Christine

    the bail fund was 99,999$ and from what i understand the fund was passed specifically for people arrested at OWS events posted on the NYCGA.NET site..

  5. Christine

    is he able to receive books and newspapers? maybe we can rally and send books.. paperback of course. Maybe write letters of support?

  6. perspicacious

    Has anyone contacted his family? Brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, mother or father? Does he have an old neighborhood with his buddies and pals? Do they know of his dilemma? One’s own family and friends circle will often rally when someone they care about is in distress. That’s the source of most bail support.

    Have those people been contacted?

  7. THe iLLLerz

    Proposal for OWS Legal Support And Commissary Funds For Detained Comrades

    The proposal pertains to Ellis Roberts/Robert Nilon a day one Occupier, a co-host and co-producer on the Occupy Wall Street Radio Show on WBAI and a huge voice and advocate of OWS ~and ensuring that there is legal support and funding provided for his commissary by OWS ~and that OWS commissary and legal support become protocol if Comrades are detained in the future.

    Ellis has been in police custody since January 28th and held in Rikers since January 31st where he remains to this day. As the first Occupier to be detained and kept in Rikers he has received ZERO support from OWS and that cannot stand as it is a duty to protect and support our Comrades.

    Stating that there is a freeze on OWS funds and the $100,000.00 bail fund is for bail and the $15,000 emergency jail fund does not qualify as a source for OWS to help with Ellisz commissary fund; OWS has left Ellis with zero support.

    ~Ensuring commissary funds while detained will enable our Comrades to buy food, supplies and make phone calls at $5.00+ for out of state phone calls.

    For contrast, let it be stated that Occupiers receive a monthly total of $120 in metrocards, housing, a minimum of 1-2 meals a day, have access to phones and the internet for connectivity (Charlottes Place / friends etc.) and it is a duty to ensure that our detained Comrades will also have our care and support while they are detained.

    Ellis is the first OWS Occupier that is being detained and kept in Rikers Island. He was arrested on and is facing completely erroneous charges: and he’s being held in Rikers; a NY Jail complex; 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and it is my suggestion that we alot a monthly amount of $220.00 to his commissary; to buy food, supplies and make phone calls at $5.00+ for out of state phone calls ~till his release.

    I would like to ensure OWS’s brotherhood and solidarity does not end once a comrade is arrested or detained. I would like to ensure that OWS maintains the highest principles of camaraderie, honor, integrity, brotherhood and solidarity by making protocol: the provision of his and future comrades commissaries and ensuring his/their legal protection and well being while detained.

    #GOONIESNEVERSAYDIE

    #COMRADES

    Proposal by : Faith Laugier

    ~Day 1 Occupier, Co-Host/Co-Producer of the OWS Radio Show on WBAI, member of Class War and an OWS Comrade.

    **Please place on agenda for time equivalent of after 7:30pm. Radio show ends at 7pm. Thank you. xx

    **And to answer questions posted below:

    “Day 1 Occupier” was stated to show the duration of commitment to this movement.

    Re family; they have been alerted and support is there, but funds are not really.

    Calls are $5.00+ for out of state and his fam and friends are in Florida and Pennsylvania

    The charges are completely erroneous and b.s.. It seems they are moving to make an example of those who exercise protest and dissent

    OWS cannot extend solidarity while Comrades are free and cut solidarity when Comrades are arrested and detained

    #OWS

    #ROLLRIGHT

    #COMRADES

    XX

  8. reginahny

    Hi Comrade, My niece has been incarcerated for almost 5 years (2 to go) on charges related to marijuana. My family and I have desparately limited resources. The charges for phone calls, emails, food, weekend food, warm socks etc., etc., etc are not “making an example of OWSers” — they are the hard facts of life under our current prison industrial complex. We pool our resources as best we can to make her life a little, tiny bit better — surely the alerted family can scrape together $5 for a phone call?

    I don’t mean to take my frustration with this recent flurry of “let’s use donated OWS funds for Social Services purposes” out on you or this protester — but I have absolutely NO IDEA what you mean by “extending solidarity to free Comrades vs. detained Comrades”. First of all, I don’t call my fellow activists Comrades, not because there is anything wrong with that but because it has historical meaning which turns people off.

    Also, I don’t see any information about why this Comrade is still incarcerated as opposed to those who chose civil disobedience and have since been released and dealt with their charges. Can you let us know?

    And , last but not least — if you’ve even read this far — Day 1 occupier, blah blah blah doesn’t mean anything in a leaderless movement commited to no hierarchy. If you’re interested in working with a movement that has hierarchy and would give special treatment to “day one” participants you may be in the wrong movement here.

    This is about as ugly as I get in my posts, comrade.
    Regina

    • lp

      I have to say I’m ready to follow Regina. Enough all ready. Comrades (a very upsetting term to me)? I’m getting focused on what I can do to help Obama, while keep my eye on Roseanne Barr’s Green Party run.

      I LOVE the idea of OWS, and think it’s a lot of fun to follow all the conversations, but we need focus and action. Regina is a rock star bc she earns her living AND posts here and hosts occupiers.

      I would like to see more occupiers get jobs, and I mean any job (I don’t care if you have a college education), and work towards a better world in the evenings and on weekends.

      A lot in the picture actually ISN’T broken (disabled people are housed and cared for and so on). Too much of OWS sounds like entitled screaming bc people don’t want to take crap jobs. Figure it out. Somehow. and then work towards the change you want to see. But walk the walk–ie like Regina (who I don’t know btw), earn a living and support things you believe in too.

      Sorry to rant. So frustrated with this dilapidated old “movement.”

      • lp

        and I guess I was saying, in case it’s not clear, that at this point a “leader” is looking pretty great to me–and I’d much rather be working behind someone like a “Regina” than this muddle we now have.

        • lp

          I realize some people do, but I have also read posts about people doing important work for OWS so that they should be supported by it. I think EVERYONE who is not disabled should be trying to get a paycheck, in some form or another, and tithe either money or time to OWS. (I have certainly heard many young people complaining about their college loans and limited employment options. I find I have very little sympathy for them, if they’re not out trying their damnest to get a job (along with also pitching in part time on OWS)).

  9. ThE CoMRaDeZ

    So basically your saying cut off support once a member of the movement is in trouble. What solidarity and brotherhood. That’s really now u want Ows to roll?

  10. ThE CoMRaDeZ

    Texting from my phone. To reiterate :

    Basically you’re saying cut off support once a member of the movement is in trouble. ~What solidarity, brotherhood and integrity. That’s how you want OWS to roll?!?!

  11. reginahny

    Not sure which “your saying” you are referring to here. If it’s me — surely your pearl clutching “cutting off someone who is in trouble” meme is not related to this post and my reply to it? Hey! CoMRaDeZ — I’m in trouble with my bills. I’m a supporter of the movement. I need you to pay my ConEd bill. Surely your BROTHERhood won’t let me roll without lights?

    OK, I’ve probably just replied to a TrOlL. Sorry.

  12. ThE CoMRaDeZ

    Read my post again. The bottom part where I state day 1 occupier was used to highlight the duration of commitment to this movement. I am fully about equality and brotherhood and so is Ellis. Just want to not leave peoples in the lurch

  13. reginahny

    I did read your post, and the reposting, and I’m not clear on why your brother (might want to think about the terminology) is not only without any family / friend support but also why he is being incarcerated differently than those occupiers who chose civil disobedience. I am not saying he is not unfairly held, just that it isn’t explained in your proposal. I don’t speak for OWS — AT ALL — but I saw posters looking for ways to help, asking legitimate questions and not leaving “people in the lurch.” I’m sorry for my snarky tone, but as a person who is “in trouble” every day financially, and who supports her “in trouble” family, friends and incarcerated relatives — being a “day one Occupier” just doesn’t explain it all for me. I’ll stop now. I hope from the bottom of my heart that your Comrade / Brother gets support, the kind of support my Sisters and I provide every day. There may be others with great advice, I hope they can help you. Best, Regina

  14. ThE CoMRaDeZ

    Your bills?!?!?!?!

    Our first OWSr is in Rikers; 24/7. *And please hear:

    is there on total b.s. charges

    The question here is does OWS solidarity and support end when a member of the movement is arrested?

    The question here is does OWS solidatity and support end when a member of the movement is

    • The Jokes Council

      Preeeeeeetty sure most peeps are thinking that OWS solidarity and support ends… when a member of the Movement goes to a non-Movement event and gets arrested for doing something they knew beforehand they shouldn’t have been doing.

      If Livestream wasn’t allowed in because they were willfully doing illegal shit, and it wasn’t an official Occupy event because these folks don’t all necessarily roll with our Principles of Solidarity and commitment to nonviolence, just because you can argue it spontaneously became a march when the police raided the joint… doesn’t mean it’s suddenly an OWS event because you started chanting “Whose Streets? OUR STREETS!”.

      “Whose Streets? OUR STREETS!” is not the magic bail-fairy. And it ain’t accountability to beat us over the head with “SOLIDARITY! Goonies never say die! ROLL RIGHT!” when the fact of the matter is, said individual may be on trumped-up charges or may not be, but this event was a shitstorm through and through.

      Total BS charges don’t usually lead to an impartial judge denying bail at arraignment. Which sounds like is why said dude’s in Rikers 24/7 right now. It sucks, but: don’t ask us as a Movement to take more personal responsibility for our folks… than they seem to be taking for themselves.

  15. reginahny

    What are the total b.s. charges? Doesn’t really matter, but it may help your cause.

    The question about how OWS supports arrested members can only be addressed by the GA as far as I know. I believe there are some frameworks in place, if you want to change or challenge those I’d definitely encourage you to do so at the GA.

    The bigger questions you are choosing to ignore are: what is OWS solidarity and support on a personal level?

    Who gets OWS solidarity and support and what are the benefits of obtaining that?

    Who is a member of the movement? how do we define that in a leaderless / non-hierarchal movement and how do we support them?

    The question here is, what exactly do you think OWS is? A personal comrade support movement? A movement to provide services to prisoners? Only OWS prisoners? A movement that supports people who have been arrested? If they have a OWS card they get our support? Surely you can see what a slippery slope this is?

  16. Steve Scher

    A) Since the arrests are identified as ows related, regardless if the individuals are deserving of classification as POW ( Person of Occupation Wallstreet ) or not , it is in our interest to both make ourselves fully informed on what occurred as well as be in a position once fully informed to take what ever actions we collectively choose to take.

    B) Considering the information available so far is limited, and the most extensive source is through a link to an article in the Daily Mews, we are limited in taking any action intelligently.

    If I were to base any decision of granting POW status, based only on the Daily Mews article, I’d withhold it. It sounds as though an occupy action commenced without any decision from owsny to support not only triggered a police response, but the individuals arrested may have engaged in unnecessary provocative behavior , as though attempting to create the impression of police bull shit (PBS).

    However, as I have said, that is based soley on a Daily Mews article.

    C) IF owsny were to become involved, I would recommend a legal expert evaluate and report.

    Further, if owsny wishes, we can attempt to secure pro bono legal representation, or if Ms. Bono is unavailable perhaps free legal services.

    Finally if the potential POW allows, the legal representative may wish to report on our request the nature of any PBS.

    Then, and only than would we be able to discuss and decide.

    Steve Scher
    http://www.BaysideFriend.com
    718.347.4818
    BaysudeFriend@yahoo.com

  17. Steve Scher

    On another note, on the use of the identifier “comrade”:
    In fruher tagen mann sagt komerad denn wier waren zusammen in ein “context” wer es war eine andere zeit. Ich rede natuerlicht von der krieg gegen die amerikanisha, englanders, und andere leuton. Dann war wie vierklichta komoraden!
    Nacht diesen zeit hat gekommen die russischa leuten wer hat benutzen auch die wort “komoraden ” aber es war eine andere “context”.
    Und so die wort “komoraden ” hat bekomt zu jetz eine andere benutzen.
    So?
    Es kann sein das ein manns komoraden ist ein andere manns “enemy”.
    Stimmt?

  18. Sally Marks

    I too, am really opposed to the term ‘Comrade’ Sounds way too much like a 50′s Soviet made in Hollywood movie.

    I see he was arrested in the Williamsburg incident. A shining example of how the OWS behaves. Four were arrested, why don’t we get behind all four of them? Don’t the other three count? Why not bail them all out? Or are the actual charges not for protesting but partying out of control?

    Sorry, but I cannot condone bad behavior. Every person that OWS supports has to be a shining example of how to behave. OWS cannot support the types of acts OWS is purporting to be opposed to.

  19. ThE CoMRaDeZ

    This is my last post here.

    It is my hope that this movement has not turned into one that would leave comrades, brethren, brothers and sisters wounded and down and not move to pick them up and help them.

    If it has, it has turned into the very system we were supposed to be fighting; a system that uses people and with no care walks over them and leaves them to fend alone

    There is no honor, brotherhood/sisterhood, solidarity or integrity in such actions or such a movement

    I hope more people share my ideology : help comrades

    Than yours: they are arrested, leave them

    We have to look out for eachother

    #COMRADES

    #GOONIESNEVERSAYDIE

    ************************************************************************************************************************
    P.S.

    Comrade: = friend / ally / colleague

    XX

  20. Sally Marks

    Self inflicted wounds do not earn a Purple Heart, sorry.

    Otherwise, anyone who states they are with OWS should be covered. I guess that OWSer who had the gun should of had his bail covered. The OWSer’s accused of rape should be covered. Didn’t Nancy Pelosi state she was ‘with OWS’? Should OWS cover her plane trips back to CA?

    • Dallas

      #WINNING

      Full transparency: I went to W’burg to see what was up with this OccuParty. As far as I could tell, it was kind of a cluster****… let’s say it must have been thrown by Major Charlie Foxtrot ;)

      I’m not gonna say it’s wrong to put in for anyone’s commissary out of our own pockets… but asking the GA?

      /downtwinkles

  21. Sally Marks

    Anyone read this:

    “Emma Engle, Matthew Whitley, Zachary Dempster and Robert Nilon were charged with inciting a riot, a felony, and other counts. All were released on $1,000 bonds.
    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/occupy-wall-streeter-cosmo-bjorkenheim-hit-contempt-fine-brooklyn-courtroom-shout-out-article-1.1014444#ixzz1lemUNMAt

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/occupy-wall-streeter-cosmo-bjorkenheim-hit-contempt-fine-brooklyn-courtroom-shout-out-article-1.1014444

    • Camille Raneem

      He is in jail. I am jail support. He was unable to be bailed out due to judges decision.

    • JACK

      HI.

      Reminder: Four (4) Warriors times $900.00 = $3,600 (That Comes Back To OWS When Their Cases Are Done).

      Idea: Let A Credit Union Lend You Some Money Based On The (less 10% To The Bail-Bonds Man/Wom Fee) Expected Return (of The 90% Bail). Hint: Money’s Revert-Back in Less Than 9 Months For A Typical ‘Protesting’ Charge/Case.

      Unfortunately, Elis’s Case Must Be More Involved Than a “Typical’ Protester’s Charge(s).

      Does He Have Family (Besides US)? Maybe We Can Ask His Family To Help Him, And WE (OWS) Can Reimburse Them When The Movement Starts Moving Again In Spring+.?

  22. Camille Raneem

    Points of Information from me, from OWS Jail Support and Legal:
    Ellis was arrested saturday night at a “occuparty.” There is some confusion over whether or not this was an “OWS” event. The NLG is representing him, and they represent OWS related cases only. While I cannot speak on behalf on the NLG and I believe they cannot take a position, their solidarity in representing him is enough.

    He is not being held because he committed any kind of violent act, or did anything careless. Like many of our occupy related arrests, he was caught in a bad situation. Three other arrests were made in addition to Ellis.

    We all know Ellis. Class War Camp kept it real in the park, and still does. Ellis also did his work before occupy, engaged in prisoner solidarity. I am personally grateful for the work he has done, and he aspires to do. I just pray it won’t be in jail doing it.

    There was a huge question of when the bail proposal was passed over whether or not the $99,999.99 bail fund would include legal fees and commissary. The General Assembly passed the fund, but tabled the discussion of application. We have bail money for Ellis if some of his legal issues blow over, but for now he is being held on his charges.
    ———————————————-
    What is needed is commissary for his time, if he has to do time. This individual is dedicated to change and a strong voice in our community. Ellis could be any one of us. I can only speak for myself, but I am dedicated in standing behind all of the beautiful people in struggle this movement has graced me to meet. I am dedicated to solidarity, bail, support, commissary and love for all occupiers, and I know I am not alone.

    Please make an informed decision. And know that those of us who are on the ground responding to arrestees take this very seriously and would ensure the same care for you.

    • Camille Raneem

      To clarify on bail fund use: the Liberty Square General Assembly has yet to make a decision for whether or not the bail fund should include commissary and legal fees.

  23. Tom Gillis

    I think this needs to be handled on a case by case basis, and we shouldn’t try to set a precedent just because this one person may have behaved badly.

    If OWS really takes off this year, I think we can look forward to a lot of targeted police harassment of anybody affiliated with OWS, “Stop and Frisk” style.

    I think busting this party may have been an example of that – cops netted a bunch of suspects and it turned out a handful, based on their public involvement with OWS, were “keepers”. Most people who get busted for rowdy party bullshit don’t spend a week in Riker’s – they get a ticket and they get sent home to see the judge in a month.

    For example, monitor who comes and goes from 60 Wall St, wait for them to jaywalk, litter, spit on the sidewalk, smoke too close to a subway stop, etc, then stop them, run their names, and if they come up as somebody who has a public-facing involvement in OWS, run wild with the charges (or just plant evidence.)

    That kind of stuff happens to hundreds of thousands of black men every year in NYC – it’s why a totally crazy number of them are in jail – and keeping that system of arbitrary, full-scale repression alive and functioning is a preemptive strategy to suppressing a popular uprising.

    • Steve Scher

      agreed.
      reality strikes again.
      Toms points are quite valid, and need to be addressed now “proactively” as much as can be thought out beforehand.
      s

      • Steve Scher

        however. now having read the voice account that was tweeted, i disagree with myself.
        perfectly normal.

  24. Sally Marks

    I seem to recall a comment some days ago when there was talk of a ‘Occuparty’ (I will not support OWS partying as being representative of what OWS stands for) in B’klynn and that it was not sanctioned (as it should not be).
    When there is a protest, there is nothing wrong with, in fact I encourage, smiling. But to break in to condos, throw a ‘rave’ or what ever it was is not what the movement is about. They to get in a confrontation with the police and claim you are doing it for the betterment of OWS. Sorry, it does not fly.
    Those same people should of been on the streets talking to people, drumming up support. Not in someone else’s condo, partying.

    As far as I have been able to tell, Mr. Nilon main offense was throwing items at the police. I think he was ‘targeted’ because he was involved in a break in, refused to comply with police orders, resisted arrest and what ever it is called by attempting to harm a cop. This is not the sort of person OWS should be associated with.

  25. Chris

    @Sally – this is exactly the problem. There are people within OWS who believe there are absolutely no rules no matter what and we can never condemn or criticize violent behavior or bullies. In fact, bullies and anarchists are the ones who are constantly criticizing everyone while draining the movement of energy and enthusiasm – and resources. For these people it is just one big party and grab what you can while you can still get away with it and well- who cares what happens to the movement because of this. Everyone knows this but people are wishy-washy and inconsistent. I am an activist and have been part of OWS from the beginning. I am not an anarchist and they don’t represent me.
    I and many other people work very on OWS and spend a lot of time getting things done and building the movement, doing events, creating opportunities, etc. So how am I and others working hard, attending meetings, being active parts of groups, building the movement, supposed to feel when random dudes who throw bottles at cops in Williamsburg are even considered worthy of getting bailed out of jail? Why are people so obsessed with not creating policies or any form of organization or accountability? Anarchy is not everyone’s thing. I’ll say it again – not everyone in the movement is an anarchist. THUS, not everything should be governed by anarchist principals. Why? Because they don’t work for everything. For some things they work and somethings they don’t. And hey if people want to assault cops, it’s considered a felony. So don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

    • Dallas

      Inclined to concur. It’s not even about anarchy….

      Without incriminating myself or anyone else… I went there figuring on some kind of warehouse-rave deal, which usually involves A) property not on a residential block B) property that has been WELL SCOUTED OUT and often C) property you actually have permission to use that just isn’t legal for throwing a huge party where you charge at the door or distribute booze.

      What I found was Major Charlie Foxtrot’s Flying Circus…. and again I don’t particularly mind that the event happened. I don’t personally mind being solicited to put money in anyone’s commissary either. \

      I mind that the OWS name got associated with it, and that it seems to have been done bass-ackwards to the fullest, and now OWS is being asked to cover the consequences of said bass-ackwards planning.

  26. lp

    The proposal just passed GA. I missed a bit of the livestream, but from what I did see it never was discussed that this was not an Occupy action (I watched the livestream till they left the Atrium, and then picked up a bit after they had restarted at the park.) What I heard in the earlier dialogue was that it was an occupy-related action.

    That doesn’t sound accurate?

  27. Sally Marks

    Bad, bad, bad.

    All anyone has to do is read the eyewitness accounts. Then use a little intelligence. Why is the guy not able to be bailed out? Another stain on the face of OWS.

  28. Steve Scher

    Spilt milk is best removed without tears and before spoilage makes stinky permanent. Question would be how to help with love/compassion while communicating pissness to bad bad.
    And
    Trumpeting aloud the responsibility needs of keeping a handle on even the quite utterance of the family name.
    Shouldn’t have, but kinda late so cut losses without cutting brothers being.
    On a lighter note…it does sound like it was an interesting event but one does choose a battle when ever possible based on victory, not fun fun.

  29. lp

    Don’t take my word entirely, we need to check the minutes when they’re posted. Maybe I’m wrong.

  30. lp

    Further, finance/accounting stood up and talked about a woman named “Janet Wilson” reaching out to various people about OWS accounts (banks) and whatnot, as if it was someone trying to breach OWS security. From what I’ve read (Sally?) Janet sounds like an active (if mobile) member of OWS who’s volunteered to work on straightening out the books and has also agreed to a security background check. The way her name was declared @ ga it was if no one knew anything about her– and it made her sound as if she’d done something wrong. I don’t get this….

    • Sean McKeown

      They didn’t know who she was. And they certainly didn’t appreciate the tactics being used. I tried putting her into contact the night before – I gave her Pete Dutro’s phone number, and had discussed her potentially joining and helping with Accounting before getting it for her – but by the sound of it what she actually did was not exactly okay.

      • Sally Marks

        She went to finance last week. She spoke to @Christine, they were ‘too busy’ to talk with her at any length. I think that Janet simply was calling out to any that might hear her. Isn’t that one of the things that OWS does, make people aware?

        • Sean McKeown

          Hopefully she’ll call Pete and things will square themselves out.

  31. Sally Marks

    Notes about what passed last night were posted, this went through @ $220 a month commisary allowance.

    Interesting considering there is a spending freeze and the expense is for personal comfort in jail for violence during a party. One people had to pay at the door to get in. That supplied beer. I would just love to know how much of the profit money is now in the OWS accounts, if any made it there. I hope this is brought up for reconsideration at the GA and is reversed.

    This certainly does not smell right at all.

    On a side note – Steve, you crack me up!