Break-Out Group Discussions for Sunday 11/6 General Assembly: Theoretical-Praxis

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Discussion for the General Assembly in Liberty Plaza:
“Where Are We Going?”

In the pursuit of true democratic participation and real revolutionary struggle, the theoretical-praxis working group has proposed the following topics for thematic discussion Be sure to consider whether your comments are for  a) the occupation in Liberty Plaza [or whereever the occupation may be located], b) the movement within the United States,  or c) the international context

1. Where do you see the #occupy movement going?

2. What is the purpose behind occupying public places? Is there a strategic role for maintaining public encampment(s) in our struggle?

3. How shall we build the bridges between our community and the world as it is? How are we going to engage with the old system?

The questions are the basic forms, and may be mildly altered but this is the basic form for our discussion. We will have 30minutes to do break-out discussion. The data will be compiled into a database that we will hopefully post online and will subsequently generate new questions that will give us a unified direction that can be a foundation for additional discussions.

5 Responses to “Break-Out Group Discussions for Sunday 11/6 General Assembly: Theoretical-Praxis”

  1. JOHN BLACK

    FIRST OFF ALL THAT WE DO SHOULD BE SHORT AND UNAMBIGUOUS

    1) I THINK THAT THIS IS A FIRST STEP WHERE ALL PEOPLE WHO REQUIRE CHANGE WILL MEET, UNITE AND LATER ON THESE CONECTIONS WILL BECOME THE BASIS FOR THE REVOLUTION TO COME.

    2) I THINK THAT OCCUPATION IS A GREAT VISUAL WAY TO NO ONLY GATHER NUMBERS, THE KEY TO ANY REVOLUTION, BUT IT DRAWS A CLEARLY CHALENGES THE AUTHORITY OF THE GOVERNMENT. THESE PLACES ARE GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. BUT THIS ASSUMES THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS THE SOVERN. WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE SOVERN AND THEREFORE THESE PLACES ARE NOBODYS AND EVERYBODYS. THEY ARE ALL OF OURS TO BE USED AS BY THE PEOPLE FOR ANY USE WE SEE FIT. AND TONIGHT THESE PLACES ARE BEING USED TO ENTRAP THE GOVERNMENT INTO REACTING THE ONLY WAY IT KNOWS HOW. TO QUICKLY PASS LAWS AND ORDINENCES THAT TAKE MORE LIBERTY FROM WE THE PEOPLE, DRAWING INTO SHARPER RELIEF FOR ALL TO SEE HOW AND WHY WE MUST TAKE BACK OUR LIBERTY

    3) THE PEACEFULLNESS OF THIS IS WHAT WILL BULD THE BRIDGES THAT WILL SUSTAIN UP IN THE YEARS AND BATTLES AHEAD. BUT THE SYSTEM CAN NOT BE REASONED WITH OR BARGANED WITH. THESE PEOPLE WILL NOT JUST GIVE UP ALL THEY HAVE AMASSED, BE IT MONEY OR POWER. THE CHANGES WE REQUIRE ARE FEW BUT FUNDIMENTAL ONES THAT SHOULD SWEEP OVER THIS SYSTEM FROM HEAD TO TOE, SEA TO SHINING SEA, LEAVING NOTHING UNCHANGED. ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT IS JUST MORE OF THE SAME

  2. Terrence Joseph

    1. Where are we going ? Back to the Carter administration, before reagans raw deal. An evenly distributed economy. Before feudilism was initiated to keep us stable and non threatening to the 1%. They do not want a middle class. We are going to a middle class.

    2. We are the occupyers. The1% does not want to be occupied. The strategy is intimidation.

    3. What mechanism do we have to engage the system ? We send a representative. An intercessor. This New Guard we were given a duty to provide for our future security will signal game over to the 1%. They were hoping we would never learn of this developed system by other nations as it quickly ends their game to end the middle class. We have the queen chess piece which trumps any stratagem they could counter with. The 1% will acknowledge their defeat and surrender with no further fight. Developed in Scandinavian countries for 200 years this plenipotentiary of the public ends all corruption and police abuse on the spot. So who is interested in sharing this Jason Bourne Investigator with members of the General Assembly ?

  3. SteveWood

    Every occupier should read this article which deals with the issues in question.

    By far the biggest threat to this historic movement is infiltration by assholes, both active (infiltrators and agitators sponsored by the opposition) and accidental (drifters after something for nothing who feign interest). Their weapon of choice is to violence and the promotion of violence as a legitimate tool. Learn, beware and be proactive.

  4. gerald gardner

    Where are we going? I would like to think that we are going to the hearts and minds of the 99%, I believe the movement would do well to be both active and reactive. The responsibility is not ours to decide the fate of the populous it is the responsibility of the population to take back what is theirs. We should not force direction but rather facilitate discussion, and serve as a source to help organize and direct people to attain their individual goals, so long as they meet the agenda agreed upon by the general assembly. Take an active role in education and a reactive role in assistance with organization, and support.

    The occupation of physical locations is vital to the movement. People are angry, people are frustrated, people have all the indications of being ready to act, very often however people need a catalyst to engage action. Those catalysts range between events, figures, and symbols, event catalysts are volatile and often the event which triggers action is such a shocking event that the action it triggers is chaotic, further relying on event triggers usually due to the unpredictable nature of events leave people reacting in a manner that lacks direction. People triggers leave open the possibility of ulterior motives and requires a great deal of trust that frankly I doubt people have much trust for authority figures left. Symbolic triggers are a great method for non-violent protest, this is due to the fact that symbols allow for direction minus a central authority figure, symbols call people to action yet are vague enough to encompass a variety of concerns and allow people to direct themselves around a central goal. The occupations are a symbol for the people the dissolution of that symbol only to be replaced by a authoritative body would undermine a large number of people, I do not disagree with the need for general assembly but i feel the symbol of the encampments speaks to a larger population than any statement from a representative group ever could. I feel it is a vital part of this movement which should not be disregarded.

    education is the number one weapon to engage the system, the wrongs of our current global policies are self-evident, people need only to recognize the sources of these acts and they will unite against them, teach them, use our voices to educate the public, the public will act, just as they have been by building occupations of their own around the globe. They will protest their issues and invoke the changes they feel fit to. If we facilitate the propagation of education, and facilitate the discussion of working models that circumvent the current system, while demonstrating a working model of the fruit of those discussions, then we have built a bridge half way, If the people agree they will build the other half through their own community actions. Engaging the old system through identifying flaws, disseminating the information about these flaws in the system and if a group takes action support them through networking and possibly funding. For example, the supreme court, a legislative branch which does by no means represent the people of a democracy, they are unelected officials with more ‘veto’ power than the president, appointed to office with life time terms. This contradicts any semblance of democratic rule, their power has been seen publicly through their decision to allow cooperate sponsorship of political candidates and assigning “cooperate personhood” this was not in keeping with the desires of the majority and should not have passed in a truly democratic society, Capitalize on this as a symbol of what we are against, escalate this topic educate people about it and if a group wishes to protest it than network others around an event and assist in the organization and publicity of the event.

    These are my opinions I hope that they will at least be food for thought for others or perhaps engage some further conversation. Keep up the good fight, peace.

    P.S. I’m sure there are spelling and grammatical errors present, it was 3:30 am wen i started writing this. sorry if it’s troublsome for some of you but I’m way too tired to accurately edit.